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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 29, 2009 17:34:25 GMT -5
I am not actually sure that lynching Natlaw is a good idea right now. I am walking into a meeting for the rest of the day in about 5 minutes. Can someone run the numbers for me please? Does natlaw rank as a third party at this point? (that is, would his lynch count as a mislynch since it is now impossible for him to win?) I double-checked. It is, in fact, imperitave that we lynch Natlaw. Right now, we have two options: a) kill all non-townies, making sure to kill all the cabalists before we kill the remaining undead/wolves or b) kill all the remaining undead/wolves. Obviously, b is easier. However, we can only do b) if both of us witches stay alive. Therefore, it seems the best option from here on out to: a) Kill Natlaw b) Focus all protective powers on me and Bill (the other witch) c) Methodically kill until we find the last vampire (who I'm assuming is our other NKer) To this end, I Unvote: Sis Coyote
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 29, 2009 17:36:34 GMT -5
I am not actually sure that lynching Natlaw is a good idea right now. I am walking into a meeting for the rest of the day in about 5 minutes. Can someone run the numbers for me please? Does natlaw rank as a third party at this point? (that is, would his lynch count as a mislynch since it is now impossible for him to win?) Considering he's claiming to be scum, what about the possibility that he's lying claiming scum? Aside from just rolling over, I don't see much reason for a wolf to claim honestly, even if he's the last one. I can see a few potential reasons for Cabal or Vamp to claim as wolf, though. The only thing I'm comfortable doing with him is lynching him.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 29, 2009 17:37:26 GMT -5
but we really need to catch Cabal. Not necessarily. If we kill all the wolves and undead, we win as long as there's two witches left. Unless I've made a horrible mistake. No, you're right. I misread the Town wincon.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 29, 2009 17:50:27 GMT -5
I am not actually sure that lynching Natlaw is a good idea right now. I am walking into a meeting for the rest of the day in about 5 minutes. Can someone run the numbers for me please? Does natlaw rank as a third party at this point? (that is, would his lynch count as a mislynch since it is now impossible for him to win?) Considering he's claiming to be scum, what about the possibility that he's lying claiming scum? Aside from just rolling over, I don't see much reason for a wolf to claim honestly, even if he's the last one. I can see a few potential reasons for Cabal or Vamp to claim as wolf, though. The only thing I'm comfortable doing with him is lynching him. If he's undead, that's even better, since an SK is harder to find than a scum. If he's a cabal then...well, that's a headstart on our contingency plan. Besides, Boozy rolled over. Blockey rolled over. And neither of them had some sort of nefarious trap (except Blockey may have had a secret revenge kill power, but that's not much). Reprinting the list: 1. Pre-Cambrian Mollusc - Vicar 2. Natlaw - Wolf 3. DBI - Detective 4. NAF - Warlock 5. Sister Coyote - Witchdoctor 6. Nanook - Vigilante 7. Kat - ? 8. FCoD - ? 9. Cookies - ? 10. MHaye - ? 11. BillMC - ? Kat's turn.
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Post by Death By Irony on Sept 29, 2009 18:18:22 GMT -5
Well, that was quick.
I can confirm that Nanook was telling the truth about killing Bufftabby. (If there are any vampires left, the quickest way to confirm Nanook would be to have him kill said vampire.)
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Post by NAF1138 on Sept 29, 2009 18:26:25 GMT -5
I am not actually sure that lynching Natlaw is a good idea right now. I am walking into a meeting for the rest of the day in about 5 minutes. Can someone run the numbers for me please? Does natlaw rank as a third party at this point? (that is, would his lynch count as a mislynch since it is now impossible for him to win?) I double-checked. It is, in fact, imperitave that we lynch Natlaw. Right now, we have two options: a) kill all non-townies, making sure to kill all the cabalists before we kill the remaining undead/wolves or b) kill all the remaining undead/wolves. Obviously, b is easier. However, we can only do b) if both of us witches stay alive. Therefore, it seems the best option from here on out to: a) Kill Natlaw b) Focus all protective powers on me and Bill (the other witch) c) Methodically kill until we find the last vampire (who I'm assuming is our other NKer) [/color][/quote] Fair enough. Thanks for checking. It was a kneejerk reaction on my part. Unvote: unvote Vote: Natlaw
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Post by Death By Irony on Sept 29, 2009 19:08:10 GMT -5
Unless somebody else wants to confess toDay (hint hint)
Vote: Vote Natlaw
in case the Day ends before everyone can finish claiming.
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Post by Death By Irony on Sept 29, 2009 19:09:26 GMT -5
One more thing - BillMc is a Witch - Pedescribe claimed for him.
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Post by PrecambrianMollusc on Sept 29, 2009 19:55:28 GMT -5
I am not sure lynching the claimed wolf is the right idea
Last time around town was down to one witch so they needed Cabal dead before all the undead and wolves. They had discovered a wolf and kept her alive whilst lynching through the pool of unconfirmed after a mas claim. As it was clear that cabal could not win nor the undead the game was called early
I would think we should vote for one of the unclaimed.
Although on the flip side it is entirely possible that he is one of the possibly several remaining cabal - and they think they will be able to kill one of our witches (unblockable kill?) Thus they hope to keep a cabal alive as a false claimed wolf, and hope one of the witches is killed between then and now - and hunt out the last vamp and wolf, if there are any left.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 29, 2009 20:00:14 GMT -5
I am not sure lynching the claimed wolf is the right idea Last time around town was down to one witch so they needed Cabal dead before all the undead and wolves. They had discovered a wolf and kept her alive whilst lynching through the pool of unconfirmed after a mas claim. As it was clear that cabal could not win nor the undead the game was called early I would think we should vote for one of the unclaimed. Although on the flip side it is entirely possible that he is one of the possibly several remaining cabal - and they think they will be able to kill one of our witches (unblockable kill?) Thus they hope to keep a cabal alive as a false claimed wolf, and hope one of the witches is killed between then and now - and hunt out the last vamp and wolf, if there are any left. But we have 2 witches. And even if we lynch Natlaw, there's still a Vamp out there.
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Post by PrecambrianMollusc on Sept 29, 2009 20:10:55 GMT -5
Oh hey, it's my turn. I am a warlock. I targeted Story on Night 1 and Pede after that. So story was killed night one - so someone should have died night two from your curse? However if the killer was a vamp (indicated by our detectives lack of result) they would not be killed by the curse, implying one of the 4 night two deaths was not your curse. So that has night two as an extra special kill from someone? I'd ask that mr Wolf (Natlaw) reveals the wolves targets and killers so our detective can validate him.
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Post by PrecambrianMollusc on Sept 29, 2009 20:15:30 GMT -5
But we have 2 witches. And even if we lynch Natlaw, there's still a Vamp out there. Right but if one more of our witches is killed and we get the vamp and wolf over the next day or so before we kill cabal, Cabal win Hence it makes sense to keep him alive, unless you are very confident that both our witches can be kept alive whilst we hunt out the remaining cabal. I say we keep him and confirm him as a wolf or not with our detective.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 29, 2009 20:59:44 GMT -5
But we have 2 witches. And even if we lynch Natlaw, there's still a Vamp out there. Right but if one more of our witches is killed and we get the vamp and wolf over the next day or so before we kill cabal, Cabal win Hence it makes sense to keep him alive, unless you are very confident that both our witches can be kept alive whilst we hunt out the remaining cabal. I say we keep him and confirm him as a wolf or not with our detective. But the only reason either of us would die would be if the vampire personally tries to piss in our cornflakes. There's no reason to. He or she has just as much a chance of winning whether we're worried about the cabal or not. The only difference he (or she) would kill a witch would be if s/he wanted to take down the town. And besides, he (or she)'s still got a 50/50 chance of hitting the protected witch if they do decide to go for the spite shot. And the witchdoctor's going to be covering one of us as well. And that doesn't even account for our secret Town power, which still hasn't been revealed.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 29, 2009 21:00:40 GMT -5
And furthermore, if we keep Natlaw around, we have to deal with 2 SKs, one of whom is known. That means twice as many deaths, which means less time to hunt through the unconfirmeds.
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Post by PrecambrianMollusc on Sept 29, 2009 23:13:36 GMT -5
Do the wolves have to kill? The plan revolves around having the wolf and vampire playing ball with us.
Just trying to think through the negatives here.
On balance getting rid of a potential killer , or a possible lying cabal or vampire is probably the best thing
Vote Natlaw
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Post by Gir! on Sept 29, 2009 23:34:50 GMT -5
*sighs* I was so gonna claim Vigilante, I was, I was. You guys aren't gonna believe that there are two Vigilantes, are you? Didn't think so.
I'm a Vampire. I don't have much of a hope of winning since story and blockey are dead. My own fault, since I freaking killed story!!!! *sobs*
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Post by BillMc on Sept 30, 2009 3:35:28 GMT -5
Vote: Natlaw Vote: Kat
As Pede claimed for me, I'll confirm I'm the other Witch, Peeker was the 3rd
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Post by Natlaw on Sept 30, 2009 5:32:54 GMT -5
I'm a Vampire. I don't have much of a hope of winning since story and blockey are dead. My own fault, since I freaking killed story!!!! *sobs* Don't despair my dear Vampire*, although I preferred you would have remained hidden as it would have worked better for my proposal. It seems town is happy to ignore the threat of the Cabal, so I think we need to coordinate to make it, ah, bloody well clear to them. Tonight the Wolf faction will be able to try and kill BillMc. I humbly suggest you visit pedescribe for a similar treatment. Only one of us will fail due to the Witches feeble protection and will leave only our factions standing against a Cabal victory. Town will have to find and kill Cabal or be doomed! Regards from the Wolf faction. Vote: Natlaw to make sure the Vampire lives. But I'll be rereading to find a Cabal who would obviously a better lynch completely. *) Your odds to win are as good as mine, although after the Cabal and Town are death, your next you blood-sucking vermin, I hope you choked on the hairballs (too bad you were already (un)dead)!
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Post by Natlaw on Sept 30, 2009 5:59:13 GMT -5
I'd ask that mr Wolf (Natlaw) reveals the wolves targets and killers so our detective can validate him. I'm sorry, perhaps you could remove the rope, wolfsbane and silver bullets you're all collecting? I find it very hard to think about what did happen instead of what is going to happen at the moment. But I'll look to see if I can find some nugget of information to out a Cabal.
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Post by BillMc on Sept 30, 2009 6:37:38 GMT -5
Well that kinda suggests - lynch the wolf - vig the vamp - we protect one of the witches, and the witchdoctor enchants the other, so we'll have two again the day after - then its just a process of elimination to deal with the cabal, and town wins
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 30, 2009 7:02:19 GMT -5
Well then.
It really doesn't matter what order we do this in.
Vote: Kat
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 30, 2009 7:04:22 GMT -5
I'm a Vampire. I don't have much of a hope of winning since story and blockey are dead. My own fault, since I freaking killed story!!!! *sobs* Don't despair my dear Vampire*, although I preferred you would have remained hidden as it would have worked better for my proposal. It seems town is happy to ignore the threat of the Cabal, so I think we need to coordinate to make it, ah, bloody well clear to them. Tonight the Wolf faction will be able to try and kill BillMc. I humbly suggest you visit pedescribe for a similar treatment. Only one of us will fail due to the Witches feeble protection and will leave only our factions standing against a Cabal victory. Town will have to find and kill Cabal or be doomed! Regards from the Wolf faction. Vote: Natlaw [/color] to make sure the Vampire lives. But I'll be rereading to find a Cabal who would obviously a better lynch completely. *) Your odds to win are as good as mine, although after the Cabal and Town are death, your next you blood-sucking vermin, I hope you choked on the hairballs (too bad you were already (un)dead)![/quote] Are you claiming that you have a secret power to kill while dead? Crap. This could be bad. Guys Vote Kat. NOW Unvote: Natlaw
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Post by Gir! on Sept 30, 2009 7:32:19 GMT -5
What, you don't think I can refrain from killing for a Night?
Vote Natlaw
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 30, 2009 8:06:40 GMT -5
What, you don't think I can refrain from killing for a Night? Vote NatlawYou have no logical reason to, nor no emotional reason to. The possibility is negligible.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Sept 30, 2009 8:47:39 GMT -5
My turn. I am a Freemason. Unfortunately, I have not yet been able to shake hands with another Mason, even after my (perhaps not as obvious as I thought) hint: Huh. I think I'm a little nervous about talking enough to be noticed toDay... --FCOD Anyway, I've tried rendezvousing (is that a word?) with storyteller, MHaye, and Cookies so far, in that order. I was hoping someone else would claim Mason before me and I could test it out before I had to claim, but no such luck. Anyway, interesting that Kat didn't try to claim something else as a cover. I probably would have tried to claim Vicar or something if I were she. It makes me kinda suspicious, but I can't figure out why anyone would pretend to be a Vampire so go figure. So it seems like we had two Vampires, a Vigilante, and the Wolves killing, which explains the four kill night. I can't imagine that there would be three Vampires and we know there isn't another Necro (since there are no zombies) so I'm gonna venture to say that Kat is the last Undead. Now, Natlaw is claiming that the Wolves will be able to kill one of the Witches toNight. I don't know that I believe him, but if we assume he's telling the truth, it puts us in a delicate situation. The Cabal win if the Wolves and Undead are all gone and there are fewer than two Witches. Bill suggested that we lynch Natlaw and Vig Kat. If Nat and Kat target each Witch separately, one of them will die toNight. Unfortunately, that leaves us tomorrow with no Undead, no Wolves, one Witch, and the Cabal wins. Sure, the dead witch will revive the Day after the next Night, but the Cabal will win immediately. Didn't think that through, did you Bill ? Therefore, we cannot kill both Kat and Natlaw toNight. It doesn't matter to me which one is lynched toDay, but the Vig needs to kill someone else toNight. Am I right, or am I missing something else? I guess I'll go with the flow for now: Vote: Natlaw --FCOD
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 30, 2009 9:37:22 GMT -5
Gah. I don't know what to do.
Natlaw is trying to intimidate us, that much is clear. We can also assume, I think, that Blockey had the undead special power, which was why there were 4 kills Night 2.
What that means is that, logically, our best shot of winning is to deduce what the likeliest secret power is that natlaw has.
He inisinuates that he can kill after he dies. This is obviously false. That's what Blockey had, and our Great and Glorious Mod wouldn't duplicate powers, I think. An extra kill? ...possibly. If it is, though, then we definitely have to nab Natlaw now!
So far, so good.
In C2, the wolves could do a mass-block. That would obviously have no bearing at this point, since the town would benefit from that.
Here's what I'm worried about: what if Natlaw can escape the lynch? Then he can double up like he promised, and make us hunt for cabalists, at least until the witch doctor witchery kicks in.
The only question, then, is what is the likelihood that the wolves would get such a power? I don't know.
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Post by BillMc on Sept 30, 2009 10:54:58 GMT -5
Hmm, an extra or beyond the grave kill? if they had it, why not use it before? if he's a scotsman wolf and survives the night - we just lynch him tomorrow
anyway, I'll be obliged to the witchdoctor if they bring me back from the dead :-)
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 30, 2009 11:08:14 GMT -5
1. Pre-Cambrian Mollusc - Vicar (confirmed by me, now) 2. Natlaw - Wolf (believable 3. DBI - Detective (semi confirmed) 4. NAF - Warlock 5. Sister Coyote - Witchdoctor (will be confirmed if a dead guy rises toMorrow) 6. Nanook - Vigilante (semi-confirmed by kill count) 7. Kat - Vamp (beliveable) 8. FCoD - Freemason (a risky claim for a non-freemason) 9. Cookies - ? 10. MHaye - ? 11. BillMC - Witch (confirmed) 12. Hockeyguy-Magician (counter-claimed Parzy, thus at least semi-confirmed) 13. Pedescribe - Witch (confirmed)
The cabalists are probably hiding among:
NAF Cookies MHaye
But not PCM, since we investigated him Night 2.
Nanook, here's my advice: Don't attack Kat toNight. If she gets lucky toNight, her death will herald a cabal win. If she doesn't...we lynch her toMorrow and win. Instead, aim for NAF, Cookies or MHaye. We'll need a head-start on the cabalists if we get unlucky with our Vamp guessing game.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 30, 2009 11:10:24 GMT -5
Oh, and I think it's worth risking a secret scotsman power, now that I've thought about it:
Vote: Natlaw
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Post by Nanook on Sept 30, 2009 11:10:49 GMT -5
I don't see any reason not to try and lynch Natlaw. If he survives it somehow, well I can assure you he won't survive to see the Dawn. My two wolf pelts could use a third. In that situation also, Kat will live through the Night, and that'll stop a Cabal victory.
Vote: Natlaw
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