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Post by Natlaw on Sept 28, 2009 13:15:57 GMT -5
A shot at the Witch actions: Investigated Parzival (low poster D1) as Wolf or Town Note: only do this if we claim Today and we're willing to risk him turning up Town -- which with bufftabby Wolf I consider definitely an option now. And I think we should only try to claim it Today as a counter claim to the Witches. Big problem: NAF + Natlaw both voted him Day Three, so Town isn't really an option. We cannot have investigated Parzival. Night One: -protected Natlaw -Investigated Nanook as Cabal (I consider him a likely candidate for Witch, but perhaps we should avoid that - why would a Cabal counter-claim Witch? Nanook is before MHaye though (not NAF) but in a truthful mass claim no motivation to get another Witch to claim) Night Two: -protected Natlaw ('I'm important!' - perhaps we need to come up with secret powers to prefer protected one over the other). -Investigated NAF as whatever NAF likes to be (Only 2 posts Day Town as reason) Night Three: -protected Natlaw -unfortunately Idle the Witch died and protecting to make sure two Witches around to counter the Cabal. (I haven't checked extensively if these are good actions, but the wanted effect of the Witch Claim is: -Get all Witches outed so killers can take at least one out (possibly helped by a redirect -Possibly get one Witch lynched so trading two Cabal for Two Witches, then finish of the last Wolf and vampire for teh win!
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Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 28, 2009 13:35:50 GMT -5
Since Idle was alive in Night 3, we'd need both a Protection and Investigation in N3.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 28, 2009 13:55:02 GMT -5
Also, don't claim the Town secret power, whateever you do. The actual holder will know you're lying straight away. The right reason to protect you is that the Witches (whether you and NAF or you and I) decided that you were more likely to get Nightkilled than the other.
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Post by Natlaw on Sept 28, 2009 14:16:10 GMT -5
I was assuming the Town power could be spread out just like we all got a redirect.
Thoughts on starting a mass claim Today? There might be a little extra credit in claiming first, but biggest obstacle if pede actually being the Seer and able to back up the real Witches.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 28, 2009 14:30:59 GMT -5
I say no to claim, personally. But then I'm a conservative player.
As for the secret power, I wouldn't believe you if you claimed Witch and a part-repository of the Town secret power. Witches are a three-person Masonry, and (in combination) either investigate, protect or both. That's a lot of power.
I'd only give it credence if I were also Town, holder of the Town secret power, and your claimed secret power made sense given my secret power.
Basically, I think claiming the secret power is asking for trouble.
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Post by NAF1138 on Sept 28, 2009 17:10:07 GMT -5
I say no to claim, personally. But then I'm a conservative player. As for the secret power, I wouldn't believe you if you claimed Witch and a part-repository of the Town secret power. Witches are a three-person Masonry, and (in combination) either investigate, protect or both. That's a lot of power. I'd only give it credence if I were also Town, holder of the Town secret power, and your claimed secret power made sense given my secret power. Basically, I think claiming the secret power is asking for trouble. I agree with the no claim. I don't see it as a good pro witch play to claim without consulting with the fellows first, we also don't know if one of the current dead townies is a witch so if we claim at all I would say one person claims and no one joins him, but that is a weak position. Better to claim early tomorrow from a place of strength.
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Post by NAF1138 on Sept 28, 2009 20:29:33 GMT -5
dammit, I hate when I am the last person to post for an extended period.
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Post by Natlaw on Sept 29, 2009 7:41:24 GMT -5
Good news: we have a dead Witch. Bad news: we got a mass claim.
With peeker flipping Witch, no one will doubt pedescribe. It might be possible to have one of us claim Witch, but I think town will lynch us first and pede later (since peeker + idle flip give extra information) and not need the second Witch to claim (who most likely will anyway with the mass claim). And he confessed his lies, so using that won't work too well I think to get him lynched.
I'm leaning to a no Witch claim and will claim last Wolf but that means betting either parzival (which I now doubt) or julie if I want to use the 'fifth wolf dead breadcrumb).
Another possibility is claiming Seer or Detective and sacrificing FlyingCow as killer.
Depending on when Mollusc claims I'll have to claim when I get home (~6 hours or so).
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Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 29, 2009 8:11:03 GMT -5
Pedescribe's claim couldn't have been much later - remember that they can't make claims of a Night (like I did in C2) without that being a part and parcel of a power-use claim. So Pede could not have revealed dead Peeker's alignment Tonight.
I'm thinking on actions for a Detective claim right now, but I need to do my jobsearching for the afternoon. Back around 5 (BST).
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Post by NAF1138 on Sept 29, 2009 10:37:36 GMT -5
Yeah, the witch claim is burned because Peek is dead. I wonder if a seer claim could be made effectivly though. It's a thought. Also freemason would seem to be a good claim in terms of just having someone survive long enough that we can redirect kills.
What we really need now is a clear bead on who the last witch is. I'm going through pede and peekers posts to see if there are any clues.
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Post by NAF1138 on Sept 29, 2009 10:42:04 GMT -5
What about a Warlock claim? Are there any holes in that? There was even that Night that had more than the normal number of kills. We could claim a valid protect on that Night.
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Post by NAF1138 on Sept 29, 2009 10:50:01 GMT -5
I think we can safely take sister coyote off the list of possible witches. Both Peek and Pede have voted for her rather agressivly durring the game.
I am leaning away from DBI as a witch as well because of an exchange on Day 2 where peek seems like he is trying to figure out how to build a case against her.
That leaves Kat, Cookies, Nanook and BillMC as the most likely of the remaining witches.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 29, 2009 10:56:55 GMT -5
I still plan to claim Detective, aiming to place the claim not long before Dusk.
Investigation reports.
Day 1 : Nothing to report. Day 2 : Investigated Meeko. I got no result back, which means it was a Vampire kill. Day 3 : Investigated (not Buff). Day 4 : No reveal yet, because the Day has not ended and I like to submit my choiice in the last few hours. (I'm going to report sometime during the Night that FCoD killed Idle.)
I think Warlock is a possible claim. You need to have enchanted a player who died on Night 1. Storyteller really is plausible because of the number of times he's been Nightkilled early. The question then is who we say killed Storyteller. It would be either a Wolf or Vig (Vampires are immune to the Warlock's curse, although it will not rebound on the Warlock).
Or do we have to say anything? Does the Warlock know who killed the person he enchants? Also, if I claim I find the Warlock claimant killed one of the N2 Wolves, that would give some "confirmation" but tie the two of us together so that when one dies, both die. And I'm a thretat to the Wolves and only the Wolves, so I'd need protection after claiming or get NK'd.
I am not going to claim until pushed, using the "threat to Wolves" as the cover. I think there are six anyway.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 29, 2009 11:06:58 GMT -5
I've just thought.
If DarkCookies claims, wait and see what she says about her power use on Night 3. If she claims a result, we know she's lying about her claim. (Knowing our luck she's a Day power - Detective, Vicar or Freemason - and we don't get to block her anyway.) It'll also be interesting to see what FCoD says about N3.
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Post by NAF1138 on Sept 29, 2009 11:12:32 GMT -5
Good then. I will go with the warlock claim and have protected Story on Night 1 (not knowing any better.)
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Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 29, 2009 11:16:42 GMT -5
Good then. I will go with the warlock claim and have protected Story on Night 1 (not knowing any better.) Do you want me to "support" you by "finding" that you were the killer of the dead player I investigated on Day 3? Fortunately I'm way down the bottom of Pede's list so can hopefully bide my time until Dusk and then wait until Day 5 to make my claim.
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Post by Natlaw on Sept 29, 2009 12:13:49 GMT -5
Warlock does not know who his curse kill (you can only make an educated guess about the ones who died the next Night.
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Post by Natlaw on Sept 29, 2009 12:16:20 GMT -5
I am leaning away from DBI as a witch as well because of an exchange on Day 2 where peek seems like he is trying to figure out how to build a case against her. However, pedescribe's quoted DBI in his latest claim post ("You're right. I think it's time.") - might just be Witches Day talking.
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Post by Natlaw on Sept 29, 2009 12:26:01 GMT -5
Why would I claim Wolf when the Witches can no longer investigate (really better protect themselves or lose to Cabal). I don't want the Witches to die, but I don't want town to know me as the last wolf as that is a sure loss.
On the other hand my redirect is spent, so even if they decide to lynch me you guys survive to kill a Witch hopefully.
I could claim vig, then switch to wolf when threaten. Not sure you all online, but need to claim fast - someone is bound to have checked my online status by now.
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Post by NAF1138 on Sept 29, 2009 12:39:27 GMT -5
Good then. I will go with the warlock claim and have protected Story on Night 1 (not knowing any better.) Do you want me to "support" you by "finding" that you were the killer of the dead player I investigated on Day 3? I think that's an excellent plan.
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Post by Natlaw on Sept 29, 2009 12:40:23 GMT -5
Comment on my claim? I can't believe our bad luck this game, but thanks everyone for not jumping on by stupid slip Today. But it think that wouldn't have lasted. I am a lonely Wolf. And so, I need to make an impassioned plea again. Wolves...remaining vampire...or whatever actual combination of killers are out there--don't waste your time trying to kill us. An impassioned plea in return: don't lynch me because I basically count as Witch against the Cabal. I will try to kill Cabal the coming Nights until they are less of a threat to both of us. I've thought about sharing more information about the Wolf actions, but I'll keep them in my hand for now. If there is a Detective would could possible support/counter who-killed-who, I'll reconsider.
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Post by NAF1138 on Sept 29, 2009 12:41:11 GMT -5
I am leaning away from DBI as a witch as well because of an exchange on Day 2 where peek seems like he is trying to figure out how to build a case against her. However, pedescribe's quoted DBI in his latest claim post ("You're right. I think it's time.") - might just be Witches Day talking. I considered that as well. But I don't know that the other evidence supports that based on peek seeming like he was trying to build a lynch for her. Take a look at peek's posts on Day 2 and tell me what you think. Maybe I am reading too much into them.
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Post by NAF1138 on Sept 29, 2009 12:43:35 GMT -5
Comment on my claim? I can't believe our bad luck this game, but thanks everyone for not jumping on by stupid slip Today. But it think that wouldn't have lasted. I am a lonely Wolf. And so, I need to make an impassioned plea again. Wolves...remaining vampire...or whatever actual combination of killers are out there--don't waste your time trying to kill us. An impassioned plea in return: don't lynch me because I basically count as Witch against the Cabal. I will try to kill Cabal the coming Nights until they are less of a threat to both of us. I've thought about sharing more information about the Wolf actions, but I'll keep them in my hand for now. If there is a Detective would could possible support/counter who-killed-who, I'll reconsider. I think that works. It buys us time which is what we need more than anything. I don't think we can all expect to make it to the end of the game, but we only need one of us to make it. You make for a good late game "mislynch" that way.
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Post by Natlaw on Sept 29, 2009 12:44:43 GMT -5
I counter with Meeko-Ed but I'll reread . I think town might lynch me as Wolf (speculating on 7th one still out there) , but I think just the distraction might be worth it.
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Post by Natlaw on Sept 29, 2009 13:14:44 GMT -5
A detective claim from DBI. Two detective feels unbalanced. Perhaps switch to Seer, MHaye, except that also indicates unbalance with a lot town investigators.
Perhaps claim Strongman and hope we are redirecting the vigilante?
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Post by NAF1138 on Sept 29, 2009 13:24:03 GMT -5
We haven't had a seer claim yet. There might[/ui] not be one in the game.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 29, 2009 13:24:41 GMT -5
Dang. I need a new claim, or run with a Detective and accuse Dot of lying. There's one handle; it's "convenient" that that she got no result on Day 1. The trouble is, that's what I was planning to say about Meeko. Ah well.
Back to the drawing board.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 29, 2009 15:33:02 GMT -5
If I have to resurrect the Detective claim, I'll investigate CIAS on Night 3, and pin it on one of the Wolves who died that Night - probably Paul. They're not in a position to contradict me, after all. Also, I'll back up Nanook's claim of killing Meeko.
That being said, what about a Seer claim? Who should I have investigated?ight 1 : Probably someone now dead. I'm actually quite likely to have investigated Storyteller if I was really a Seer, so let's go for that. (Recall back in the last 3 Kingdoms game I went for Storyteller early because it's always good to know what side he's on.)
Night 2 : harder to gauge. CIAS drew four votes Day 2, and investigating someone who might come under threat the next Day is always good. Besides I think he was Coroner. If push comes to shove, that's what I'll say. the optimum time for the Coroner to claim would be just before Dawn, by reporting on the knowledge they'd gained about the previous Night's kills.
That risks immediate exposure Tomorrow, so I'll be using my redirect Tonight.
Night 3 : Claim to have investigated Kat, and confirm whatever she posts.
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Post by NAF1138 on Sept 29, 2009 16:42:39 GMT -5
If I have to resurrect the Detective claim, I'll investigate CIAS on Night 3, and pin it on one of the Wolves who died that Night - probably Paul. They're not in a position to contradict me, after all. Also, I'll back up Nanook's claim of killing Meeko. That being said, what about a Seer claim? Who should I have investigated?ight 1 : Probably someone now dead. I'm actually quite likely to have investigated Storyteller if I was really a Seer, so let's go for that. (Recall back in the last 3 Kingdoms game I went for Storyteller early because it's always good to know what side he's on.) Night 2 : harder to gauge. CIAS drew four votes Day 2, and investigating someone who might come under threat the next Day is always good. Besides I think he was Coroner. If push comes to shove, that's what I'll say. the optimum time for the Coroner to claim would be just before Dawn, by reporting on the knowledge they'd gained about the previous Night's kills. That risks immediate exposure Tomorrow, so I'll be using my redirect Tonight. Night 3 : Claim to have investigated Kat, and confirm whatever she posts. You had to investigate Pede the Night after he soft claimed. Not sure about Night three yet.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 29, 2009 16:51:27 GMT -5
You had to investigate Pede the Night after he soft claimed. Not sure about Night three yet. I was thinking I would not have needed to; there's no reason to suppose him anything other than Witch. I would have been a bit taken aback with his Seer claim then though. Let's make Pede my Night 2 action.
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