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Post by Pleonast on Sept 30, 2009 14:04:40 GMT -5
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Post by Natlaw on Sept 30, 2009 14:11:04 GMT -5
Another Necromancer.
Do we have two vampires left (FCoD and Kat!) and one Wolf (Cookies) or one Vampire (Kat!) and two Wolves (FCoD and Cookies) with the latter lying about both Parzival as Wolf and being blocked Night Three?
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Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 30, 2009 14:12:13 GMT -5
Parzival is Town.
I say again. Parzival is TOWN!
That means he almost certainly was a Magician., and his claim to have sicced Mr. SE on Bufftabby was true.
It also means someone has to take a close look at Hockeyguy Tomorrow.
The Witch Assassination Plan still looks good. Do we want to review the redirection targets before committing ourselves?
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Roleblock Sister Coyote
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Post by Natlaw on Sept 30, 2009 14:15:06 GMT -5
Can we bet only Kat! going for pedescribe and Nanook killing Cookies?
Then only redirect Cookies (since outed the most likely Wolf killer) on BillMc?
That leaves us a redirect next Night to try to get Nanook to kill Kat!
Base plan was: MHaye redirects Kat! on BillMc NAF redirects Nanook on pedescribe Roleblock Sister Coyote
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Post by Natlaw on Sept 30, 2009 14:16:19 GMT -5
Make that Block Sister Coyote for clarity. We don't want Witches coming back from the dead for sure.
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Post by NAF1138 on Sept 30, 2009 14:16:42 GMT -5
I think the base plan is still the best plan. Are we agreed?
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Post by Natlaw on Sept 30, 2009 14:18:41 GMT -5
I say again. Parzival is TOWN! I can't believe it - but I makes me more certain Cookies cannot be the last Wolf. Except if she truthful about being blocked, we have two vampire left.
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Post by Natlaw on Sept 30, 2009 14:22:36 GMT -5
I agree with the Nanook redirect, but are we certain that Kat! will be killing? If Wolf with Cookies then most likely not, but as vampire yes. Otherwise need to redirect FCoD again (but he can also be mason with julie and/or Idle), Wolf or Vampire.
If there are two Wolves, I don't see on claim Vampire and the other Wolf. Thus FCoD might be wolf (or someone else false claimed). So Kat! does seem to be the best choice.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 30, 2009 14:24:39 GMT -5
One reason I claimed Scotsman is to lure Nanook into taking a potshot at me Tonight. If I live, he's eliminated a candidate for Cabaldom and reduced the pool in which the Cabal can hide, while if I die he's eliminated a liar, and therefore scum.
The basic plan is sound, and I'm OK with the agreed setup
MHaye redirects Kat! on BillMc NAF redirects Nanook on pedescribe Roleblock Sister Coyote
NAF, if you agree we can send the PMs today.
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Post by Natlaw on Sept 30, 2009 14:29:39 GMT -5
That means worst case (besides no Witch dieing) we need to lynch FCoD, Cookies and Kat! as Cabal.
Cookies can definitely happen Tomorrow with Parzival flipping Town and no Coroner to reveal me as Cabal yet. FCoD can be lynched as Cabal with his false claim (and if a mason flip/resurrects we don't need to worry about him).
But Kat! is unlynchable as claimed Vampire if there is only one Witch left.
Do we need to: Redirect Nanook onto Kat! Redirect Cookies (as killing Wolf) or FCod (as killing Vampire) onto BillMc And pray Kat! follows my proposal to kill pedescribe (or that the Witches decide not the protect BillMc, since they asked (multiple times) for the Witch Doctor enchant on him).
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Post by NAF1138 on Sept 30, 2009 14:54:54 GMT -5
Before I forget roleblock sister coyote
I think our biggest threat is the witches. Town doesn't know how many Cabal are left and Kat has to be lynched at some point. If we don't get rid of the witches toNight we are screwed. We have to take them out because we can't know what Kat's actual plan is.
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Post by NAF1138 on Sept 30, 2009 14:57:12 GMT -5
I am going to redirect Nanook onto Pede at the very least. We want him redirected onto a townie anyway. We can talk about the other one a bit more before we send it in.
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Post by Natlaw on Sept 30, 2009 15:03:23 GMT -5
True we can't win if there are two witches alive. Another problem is that if Cookies gets lynched as Cabal and I flip as Cabal, what are the odds that one Cabal claimed Wolf and another (Kat!) claimed Vampire? So we need to look for reasons to lynch Kat! as Vampire. I hope you both can stay alive until the other scum are lynched . MHaye: Except without mod confirm, he'll assume he's blocked and that might get you lynched. For the same reason we'll want to blocked Nanook next Night and following.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 30, 2009 15:04:55 GMT -5
I agree, we have to take the Witches out of the equation. If we don't then we cannot win, no matter what else happens. I too will be following the Plan. Unless Nanook sinks us by not killing Tonight, at least we've overcome the Witches.
One of us will have to sacrifice themselves later to make the Town think all the Cabalists have gone. We can talk about that Tomorrow.
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Post by Natlaw on Sept 30, 2009 15:07:23 GMT -5
Or indeed, if he does succeed in killing pede, he'll have to kill himself Night Six (but can still kill Night Five assuming the remorse starts on mod confirm and not on the confirmed Town Witch claim dieing).
Would it better let him kill enchanted Bill instead of protected pede, or did the Witches put the poison in their own glass?
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Post by Natlaw on Sept 30, 2009 15:10:01 GMT -5
Good point, if Nanook decides not to kill we should redirect him on whoever is protected - but as said that's a bit of WIFOM.
Only Cookies so far has brought up the Cabal block (and not as Witch Doctor might be blocked), so my guess is enchanted BillMc and protected pede.
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Post by NAF1138 on Sept 30, 2009 16:43:02 GMT -5
I can not imagine a situation where Nanook wouldn't kill toNight. He doesn't know about the redirect possibility so he has no reason not to kill. Let's hope I am not wrong about that.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Oct 1, 2009 10:50:59 GMT -5
I've sent a PM to Pleo asking a couple of questions.
Can we redirect a player who decides to stay at home and not use their power?
Can we change our minds after sending the PM?
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Post by Merestil Haye on Oct 1, 2009 11:32:42 GMT -5
Can we redirect a player who decides to stay at home and not use their power? A: There is no power to redirect. This will appear as if it was a Witch power. A: Yes, provided the PM is timestamped before the time set for Dawn (Noon tomorrow.)
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Post by Natlaw on Oct 1, 2009 11:48:02 GMT -5
I didn't get any indication whether my redirect of FCoD failed/succeeded. PM sent: Do we get confirmation if a redirect is successful?
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Post by Merestil Haye on Oct 1, 2009 12:09:57 GMT -5
Pleo tells me I misunderstood.
If I redirect a player who isn't using a power, the redirect works. So it does not operate like it would against a Witches power - if we tried to redirect a Witch, we would learn the power had failed.
Sorry about that.
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Post by Natlaw on Oct 1, 2009 12:20:04 GMT -5
Ah okay, then it's still possible FCoD didn't take an action (but unlikely).
I got as answer:
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 1, 2009 15:14:00 GMT -5
Hey, I just thought of a way I can earn a smidge of town cred (but only a smidge). If Kat's kill goes through I can claim (right away) that I placed a curse on BillMC the Night before and that when the killer dies the next Day I will be confirmed. Then of couse DBI will investigate and find out that a vampire did the killing. "Rat's, I just can't seem to curse the right people!"
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Post by Merestil Haye on Oct 1, 2009 15:18:38 GMT -5
Neat.
How will you reply if you are asked why you stopped enchanting Pedescribe? I'd say something along the lines of you understanding he was going to be protected.
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Post by Natlaw on Oct 2, 2009 4:57:06 GMT -5
Because the enchant was asked for BillMc means he was going to get killed / not protected. Of course you considered the WIFOM, but pedescribe really should have learned not to lie by now right? . Also you choose to BillMc because the Wolves were going kill him according to Natlaw, so you couldn't kill the Vampire killing pede anyway. Or better not enchant, because a Cabal win would be awfully close if both the Witch died and the killing Wolf next Night? Sure the Witch would come back Tomorrow (if you conveniently forget the Cabal block) when the Wolf dies.
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Post by Natlaw on Oct 2, 2009 5:09:55 GMT -5
This could mean either Kat! killed Idle Thoughts (I submitted my redirect very late) or FCoD is Vampire! Was Blockey's secret power a raise a Vampire on lynch? I want us to reconsider this: - Redirect Nanook on Kat!
- Redirect Kat!/FCoD on BillMc (I would choose Kat! since FCoD could be mason, Kat! might be Wolf but Cookies is doing the killing)
- Pray the not redirected vampire targets pedescribe or BillMc unprotected or Cookies decides to go for pedescribe
- Lynch Cookies as Cabal-posing-as-last-Wolf (except why would she claim when my lynch was a good as certain? Cabal where running out of believable claims)
- Lynch FCoD as lying Cabal (hope idle/julie not mason, no one will believe his)
- Pray no other secret power interferes.
- Win at the lynch of FCoD unless there really is another Wolf.
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Post by Natlaw on Oct 2, 2009 5:11:18 GMT -5
NETA: no one will believe FCoD claiming Vampire if up for lynch.
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Post by Natlaw on Oct 2, 2009 5:18:05 GMT -5
FCoD could have been a recruited mason, so if idle/julie is one as well we need to push (if they don't suggest it themselves or handshake Day One or Two already) for a confirming handshake anyway. If he is a Vampire now, he most likely lost the ability to handshake.
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Post by Natlaw on Oct 2, 2009 5:24:35 GMT -5
Note: if Cookies was truthful about her blocked kill then that supports two Vampires kills Night Three as well (as Nanook didn't kill and is confirmed by DBI as not Vampire).
If Nanook wolf, he'll fail to kill Kat! in my plan, but die himself which just as good (no way he would get lynched before you two).
The riskier version of the my plan was to skip the Vampire redirect, betting on Cookies killing BillMc. But if last Wolf Cookies is lynched we can only redirect Nanook's kill to kill a Vampire and he might play it save not kill.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Oct 2, 2009 9:38:09 GMT -5
Really, you're asking NAF to think about a change in plan, since I've redirected Kat!, and your alternative calls for Kat to attack Bill, which was my order anyway.
The thing about your plan is that there is a high risk of leaving two Witches alive, and us unable to get them dead. We have to play head games with the Witches, and they might protect Bill, just because they publically said they'd protect Pedescribe. If that happens, we're up the creek without a paddle. A Witch must die, and the only way to ensure it is to attack them both. The only way we can ensure both get attacked is to force the attackers to hit who we want.
There are a couple of possible flaws in this plan.
1. There is a secret Doctor (see C2) who protects the second Witch. This is a problem whatever plan we go with. 2. Pedescribe was lying about Peeker being a Witch, and all three are still alive. In which case we're up the creek without a paddle this game.
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