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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 2, 2009 20:42:22 GMT -5
Julie coming back to life scares me since Kat had claimed Vampire before she died. I did? I don't think so. Your wording is ambiguous there, but either way, it's wrong. If "she" = "Julie": I didn't claim Vamp before Julie died. She died Night 3, and I claimed Day 4. 4 comes after 3. If "she"= "Kat": Well, technically, I did claim Vamp before I died, since I'm still alive, but what's the point of of adding "before she died" to that sentence if the person being referred to hasn't died. I meant after. I said before and meant after. It makes sense then, the "she" being Julie. You claimed Vamp after she died. Guess I was off on how the Witchdoctor power works then, but I'm still suspicious of Julie.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Oct 2, 2009 21:25:14 GMT -5
Ok. I don't know what the hell is going on here, but if I didn't know Pleonast better I'd say he's being a gastard. I did not, in any way shape or form, kill you, Idle. No way, no how. I don't know what else to tell you. What the hell is all of this talk about the Vampires creating other Vampires? I don't see anything about that in the rules. It would have been a pretty dumb move for me to have fake claimed Freemason at the time I did. At the time of my claim, the unclaimed pool was four people: Cookies, MHaye, Idle, and Jule. Since nobody had claimed it yet, but most of the other roles had been claimed it would have been reasonable to assume that there were two Masons in the four unclaimed. I know, I know, "scum wouldn't do that." I've never done anything so crazy. I mean come on, fake-claiming Mason? Do I look like Roosh? If I was going to fake-claim, why wouldn't I just claim Vicar? There's no way to confirm the claim, since the Vicar's power has been meaningless for Days. I realize that apparently I have no actual Mason brethren. I can't explain that either, but given what's happened so far I don't think it's that far-fetched that Pleo included only one Mason in the game. This game has had more twists and turns than any other I've played. I submit that Idle is lying and trying to frame me. I don't really know why, since I'm basically Vanilla, but I suppose if he's in the Cabal they need as many mislynches as they can get. Like I said, claiming Vicar is an easy, safe, claim. At any rate, you guys can lynch me if you want, but I think it's foolish to do so toDay, when we have Idle, Cookies and Kat to lynch. I don't care which of them we lynch, but I think it should be one of them. Vote: Idle Vote: Cookies Vote: Kat! Oh yeah, I'm leaning towards believing hockeyguy, since the setup doesn't seem like anything I thought would be likely. And Kat!, I did notice after your claim that you had been talking a lot about your teeth. Was that intentional, or did you really have to go to the dentist? --FCOD
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Oct 2, 2009 21:28:42 GMT -5
I think I get it.
Complete speculation: The cabal had a one-shot power to randomly redirect all kills. They used it last Night.
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Post by julie on Oct 2, 2009 21:49:23 GMT -5
Just to clarify, I didn't enchant myself the Night I died. I enchanted pedescribe. I had a secret power that enabled me to bring back one player after death but before any announcement of name/alignment/role/whatnot. I had not used it before my death, so it was automatically activated upon my death to bring me back.
I have no idea if Sister Coyote is also a Witch Doctor, though I suspect she is. I also don't know if she has the same secret power.
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Post by Gir! on Oct 2, 2009 21:51:35 GMT -5
And Kat!, I did notice after your claim that you had been talking a lot about your teeth. Was that intentional, or did you really have to go to the dentist? --FCOD No, I really did have to go to the dentistperiodontist. I got a tissue graft from the roof of my mouth to my lower front gum, and they also snipped that little flap of skin that connects the upper gum to the upper lip (this is either the 2nd or 3rd time that they've done snipping up there). It was difficult to chew things, and the roof of my mouth is still a bit tender, even though I got the stitches out on Wednesday.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 2, 2009 21:57:23 GMT -5
Dude, FCOD..of course I was unclaimed...I was dead. OMGUS much. I just said that Pleo said you were the one that killed me, I didn't vote for you. Those are the facts as they were said to me.
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Post by PrecambrianMollusc on Oct 2, 2009 23:20:57 GMT -5
3 kills - Our claimed vig did not take out one of the killers and went for the claimed scotsman? We have another dead vig (CIAS) - so two vigs in this game? And our claimed vig Nanook was unsuccessful and we still had 3 night kills. I have a hard time believing Nanook - I certainly do not believe Kat or Cookies that they did not kill as that would imply 6 possible kills last night , plus our already killed Vig CIAS.
On the flip side having two witch doctors with that many kill might make sense.
I can understand two vicars if there were two necromancers. FCOD being the only mason and Idle has fingered him - looks pretty scummy.
I don't quite follow why people think the vamp can raise another vampire and it might be Julie? There is limited recruitment and the people can choose - my guess would be that refers to zombies who can chose to win with undead or town (pure speculation). As towns secret power has not been revealed I am more prone to beleive Julie in the absence of other claims.
Very suspicious of hockyguy - as claimed magician he could have piped up yesterday and offered to protect one of the witches whilst the witches used their protection on the other. Yet he picks himself with no effect. Convenient.
Kat , Cookies, Hockeyguy, FCOD and Nanook are on my list, however it is imperative we kill at least one claimed killer. I am not personally scared of Kat, if she is a vampire, there is less chance a wolf or random cross kill will get her as she is a vamp, and given our Vigs highly dubious credibility right now I say Vote Kat
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Post by Gir! on Oct 2, 2009 23:33:44 GMT -5
So, PCM, how exactly could a claimed-Magician hockeyguy have protected a Witch, when the Magician Power is to:
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Post by PrecambrianMollusc on Oct 2, 2009 23:48:58 GMT -5
Sorry thought they could nominate a stand in and redirect I seam to have my magicians and warlocks and all mixed up
Fair enough, suspicion on Hockeyguy rescinded
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Post by hockeyguy8435 on Oct 3, 2009 3:06:10 GMT -5
Ok. I don't know what the hell is going on here, but if I didn't know Pleonast better I'd say he's being a gastard. I did not, in any way shape or form, kill you, Idle. No way, no how. I don't know what else to tell you. What the hell is all of this talk about the Vampires creating other Vampires? I don't see anything about that in the rules. It would have been a pretty dumb move for me to have fake claimed Freemason at the time I did. At the time of my claim, the unclaimed pool was four people: Cookies, MHaye, Idle, and Jule. Since nobody had claimed it yet, but most of the other roles had been claimed it would have been reasonable to assume that there were two Masons in the four unclaimed. I know, I know, "scum wouldn't do that." I've never done anything so crazy. I mean come on, fake-claiming Mason? Do I look like Roosh? If I was going to fake-claim, why wouldn't I just claim Vicar? There's no way to confirm the claim, since the Vicar's power has been meaningless for Days. I realize that apparently I have no actual Mason brethren. I can't explain that either, but given what's happened so far I don't think it's that far-fetched that Pleo included only one Mason in the game. This game has had more twists and turns than any other I've played. I submit that Idle is lying and trying to frame me. I don't really know why, since I'm basically Vanilla, but I suppose if he's in the Cabal they need as many mislynches as they can get. Like I said, claiming Vicar is an easy, safe, claim. At any rate, you guys can lynch me if you want, but I think it's foolish to do so toDay, when we have Idle, Cookies and Kat to lynch. I don't care which of them we lynch, but I think it should be one of them. Vote: Idle [/color] Vote: Cookies [/color] Vote: Kat! [/color] Oh yeah, I'm leaning towards believing hockeyguy, since the setup doesn't seem like anything I thought would be likely. And Kat!, I did notice after your claim that you had been talking a lot about your teeth. Was that intentional, or did you really have to go to the dentist? --FCOD[/quote] Hrmm.... there's also the chance you didn't think there were any Masons and you're the Omega Wolf. Thinking that if pede investigated you you'd turn up Mason and be confirmed. That would then give us a ton of Wolves. But perhaps the others are lying and you don't care enough to counter them? Just a theory.
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Post by hockeyguy8435 on Oct 3, 2009 3:09:00 GMT -5
Sorry thought they could nominate a stand in and redirect I seam to have my magicians and warlocks and all mixed up Fair enough, suspicion on Hockeyguy rescinded I would've if I could've. =(
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Post by hockeyguy8435 on Oct 3, 2009 3:09:37 GMT -5
Won't be around today or much at all tomorrow. I'll pop if in able, but not likely.
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Post by Gir! on Oct 3, 2009 7:50:11 GMT -5
Hrmm.... there's also the chance you didn't think there were any Masons and you're the Omega Wolf. Thinking that if pede investigated you you'd turn up Mason and be confirmed. That would then give us a ton of Wolves. But perhaps the others are lying and you don't care enough to counter them? Just a theory. Yes, brilliant deduction there! I'm sure you're right about that! Well, y'know, except for the fact that Meeko was the Omega Wolf. Eager to accuse people of the impossible, aren't you? Throw a little mud his way?
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Post by julie on Oct 3, 2009 11:35:01 GMT -5
Yes, brilliant deduction there! I'm sure you're right about that! Well, y'know, except for the fact that Meeko was the Omega Wolf. Eager to accuse people of the impossible, aren't you? Throw a little mud his way? If we have duplicates of other roles, can there be a duplicate Omega Wolf? It doesn't seem likely to me, but it's possible.
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Post by Pleonast on Oct 3, 2009 12:40:53 GMT -5
There can only be one Omega Wolf.
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Post by Gir! on Oct 3, 2009 13:21:33 GMT -5
Because he chops the heads off any other Omega Wolves when they meet?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 3, 2009 14:07:20 GMT -5
PCM-in the other Conspiracy game I played in, the "limited recruitment" happened just that way. A vamp would attack another player and they would stay dead for one whole day and then rise again on the next.
Seems to be this is the only thing it can be. Nobody has yet answered my question: How did Julie rise from the dead if she's not now undead? She already said she didn't enchant herself, and she already said Kat is the one that killed her, and Kat already said she was a vampire. So...pardon me, but I am I the only one this seems glaringly obvious to? If you (PCM and Pede) don't think she's undead now, how do you explain her rising? People don't just rise on their own, you know.
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Post by PrecambrianMollusc on Oct 3, 2009 16:15:47 GMT -5
From Julie post - and I understand this is written by the person under suspicion -
I don't think Julie was a killer last night as she was raised this morning, so was not around last night to kill.
For three deaths last night I think it more likley that the Vig was redirected and both Kat and Cookies killed. Although I really am not sure what is more possible - a vamp recruitment with choice by the person bitten or two Vigs
To get 4 kills on night two it could have been both Nanook and CIAS killing , along with a wolf kill and a vamp kill. If there were blocks, or some hot two on one action then there could have been an extra kill involved.
If Nanook is lying then night 2 involved a wolf, CIAS and vamp kill plus one special one off kill. - Or a death by a curse, for which we have no evidence for as NAF has not indicated that one of those deaths may have been due to him.
We know one killer will die tonight based on NAFs curse (assumption NAF is telling the truth) If it is the vamp the vamp will not die - if it was a redirected kill - nanook may die, or if the wolf attacked bill cookies (truth assumption) will die.
If we kill KAT and cookies dies tonight game over, assuming no other wolves, which might happen inadvertently if cookies was BilMc killer.
I am starting to think that cookies should die as a certain killer and we leave KAT for tomorrow and hope our vig (if he is) can get a cabal tonight
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Post by Merestil Haye on Oct 3, 2009 17:14:34 GMT -5
I was sorting through all the stuff that's gone on this game and I came across a discrepancy between two claims. Claim number 1 : Death by Irony (now deceased) reported last Night on the use of her claimed Detective power. In N04.017 she claimed to have investigated the death of Idle Thoughts on Day 4. In N04.029 she claimed a null result - ie that you were killed by a Vampire. You, however, claimed in D05.008 to be a Vicar, and Vicars cannot be killed by Vampires. There's a direct contradiction there. We could consider lynching you, but there is a quicker method to test your claim. DBI died N4, which means we'll be getting an announcement of her faction at dawn on Day 6. On the gripping hand, I'm suspicious of how you keep hammering on about the way Vampires recruited in Conspiracy 1 (but not, incidentally, in C2 - the recruitment-by-death power was completely removed) but fail to mention that the Werewolves had the same power - something that you most certainly did know in Conspiracy 1, since you told me about it - and I was a Wolf. (It slipped the Alpha Wolf's mind.) As for the question of who brought you back? Neither of the claimed Witchdoctors admit to enchanting you Night 3. Both Julie and Sister Coyote claim to have enchanted Pedescribe that Night. So just how did you get back to life? The more I think about this, the blacker it looks for you, Idle.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Oct 3, 2009 18:14:38 GMT -5
Oh man MHaye I could kiss you right now. I've been going over Idle's posts repeatedly since he accused me, but I totally did not see this inconsistency. I agree, we should wait until DBI's flip. If she's town, I think we got us a liar. I mean, I already know he is because I did not kill him, but this is a little more concrete --FCOD
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Oct 3, 2009 18:21:00 GMT -5
Wow. Nice one MHaye.
Unvote: FCoD
I'd vote for Idle, but right now, I think Kat's our best lynch.
Unvote: Cookies
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Post by julie on Oct 3, 2009 18:47:02 GMT -5
As for the question of who brought you back? Neither of the claimed Witchdoctors admit to enchanting you Night 3. Both Julie and Sister Coyote claim to have enchanted Pedescribe that Night. So just how did you get back to life? The more I think about this, the blacker it looks for you, Idle. SisterCoyote said that someone was coming back. If she had the same secret power I had, she could have brought Idle back through her secret power even if she didn't enchant him before his death.
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Post by PrecambrianMollusc on Oct 3, 2009 19:19:46 GMT -5
Idle was confirmed as town prior to his death by pedescribe Although if he has been resurrected by a vamp then he is almost certainly lying about his role prior to death
NAF - I have you down as Night one Enchanting Story - so the killer should have died night 2 - but it was vampish KAT Night Two Enchanting Pedescribe - no one claimed to have attacked pedescribe - Night three - who did you enchant? Night four - you enchanted Bill - so tonight someone should die - unless it was a vamp killer.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 3, 2009 20:11:12 GMT -5
I was sorting through all the stuff that's gone on this game and I came across a discrepancy between two claims. Claim number 1 : Death by Irony (now deceased) reported last Night on the use of her claimed Detective power. In N04.017 she claimed to have investigated the death of Idle Thoughts on Day 4. In N04.029 she claimed a null result - ie that you were killed by a Vampire. You, however, claimed in D05.008 to be a Vicar, and Vicars cannot be killed by Vampires. There's a direct contradiction there. We could consider lynching you, but there is a quicker method to test your claim. DBI died N4, which means we'll be getting an announcement of her faction at dawn on Day 6. On the gripping hand, I'm suspicious of how you keep hammering on about the way Vampires recruited in Conspiracy 1 (but not, incidentally, in C2 - the recruitment-by-death power was completely removed) but fail to mention that the Werewolves had the same power - something that you most certainly did know in Conspiracy 1, since you told me about it - and I was a Wolf. (It slipped the Alpha Wolf's mind.) As for the question of who brought you back? Neither of the claimed Witchdoctors admit to enchanting you Night 3. Both Julie and Sister Coyote claim to have enchanted Pedescribe that Night. So just how did you get back to life? The more I think about this, the blacker it looks for you, Idle. I wasn't killed by a vampire. I was killed by FCoD, as I said. I don't know how, why, or where you're getting that I was killed by a vampire. I'm immune to vampire attacks. I was told this in my intial PM...so if PCM is a vicar as well, he can back me up with this since he'd have gotten it too.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 3, 2009 20:15:09 GMT -5
Idle was confirmed as town prior to his death by pedescribe Although if he has been resurrected by a vamp then he is almost certainly lying about his role prior to death I cannot be killed or attacked by a vampire. If you really are a vicar as well, you would know this. I ask you to recheck your initial PM to find it there, since I was told, I see no reason you'd also be told. As for who did kill me, I was told it was FCoD...so it was a "Freemason" apparently, who killed me somehow, not a vampire.
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Post by PrecambrianMollusc on Oct 3, 2009 20:22:07 GMT -5
OK I am trawling through the deaths and claims for killing Special Eds death is confusing me (probably not a difficult thing to do)
Kat claims she killed Story - Kat claims Vamp - DBI claims no result for Stories death - Done deal Nanook claims Meeko - Nanook claims vig
Parzival is town - I hope he was not lying about his role because that would be annoying.
Parzival claimed Ed(wolf) targeted him and redirected to Bufftabby (wolf). Hockyguy Claimed to have redirected to Ed - but no one attacked him - or he was blocked from seeing the kill. Cookies claimed they sent Special Ed to kill Parzival
If they sent Ed to kill Parzival - why isn't bufftabby dead?
CIAS (Vig) said in D2 P23 that it would have been insane for a remorseful vig to kill night one - so I suspect that he would not have been a killer. Although he may have lied.
How the hell did Ed die? All I can think is 1) really are two vamps 2) CIAS Lied and killed 3) The wolves lied and Ed attacked a vamp and Parzival is a seer not a Magician who investigated Ed
arrrgggg - where is the head exploding smiley
Night two - Bufftabby - we have Nanook claiming - confirmed by DBI - does not confirm Nanook as town though CIAS - Wolves claim him - they said paul did it - who is dead - probably a lie to cover up another live wolf Paul - Could have been a vamp kill or a CIAS kill Peeky - Could have been a vamp kill or a CIAS kill
But why did CIAS go for Paul or Peeky when Bufftabby was a glowing target - risky play. Was there a second vamp? - Nanook as a wolf claiming Vig does not make sense unless DBI is in on it. Nanook as a Cabal killer maybe killing Peeky or Paul with CIAS going for Buff?
Night 3 Idle - Probably a vamp killed him as DBI had no result - hence Idle was not a vicar Julie - wolf kill? Wolves claim to kill MHaye with no result - Nanook does not claim to have killed anyone I suppose Julie could have been a wolf attacking MHaye and died - so cookies knows Mhaye is something odd. Does Julie being resurrected tie in with the vampires recruiting someone who attacked them?
Not sure but with the vicar inconsistency with DBI claiming no result - Idle looks bad Cookies could well be lying and smudging Mhaye
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Post by The Real FCOD on Oct 3, 2009 20:22:44 GMT -5
So you're saying that DBI is a liar as well?
It's sure not going to look good for you if she comes up Town toMorrow morning.
--FCOD
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 3, 2009 20:35:20 GMT -5
Night 3 Idle - Probably a vamp killed him as DBI had no result - hence Idle was not a vicar Julie - wolf kill? Have you taken stupid pills? Julie said, very clearly, that Kat killed her. Kat has claimed Vampire, not wolf, also very clearly. So why are you thinking a wolf killed her? Julie said Kat, the claimed Vamp, did. So what the hell are you smoking and where can I get some?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 3, 2009 20:36:41 GMT -5
So you're saying that DBI is a liar as well? It's sure not going to look good for you if she comes up Town toMorrow morning. --FCOD I'm telling you that I got a PM from Pleo saying you killed me. Now are you saying that the fact that I got a PM from Pleo saying you killed me is an impossibility?
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Post by PrecambrianMollusc on Oct 3, 2009 20:41:13 GMT -5
Idle I know what the PM says - I have it and it is posted on the rules for everyone else
The point is DBI has no result for your killer - which is consistent with a vampire killing you . If you were a vicar - then a vamp did not kill you hence DBI should have gotten a result.
Unless you were killed by a special kill which the Detective could not tell who it was or DBI is lying or blocked (given that it was known who DBI was last night and a block is not unreasonable as a one off power)
Clearly you were town - but may not have been a vicar and were killed by a vamp and recruited - then you are lying about your current status as a vicar. In that case the question is - what was your prior role - part of a two person masonry (I guess you would not have known FCOD is a mason up until he claimed) figured there were no others so are hanging him out to dry?
Either way I am OK with lynching KAT today
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