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Post by Gir! on Oct 4, 2009 19:50:42 GMT -5
I mean, if you were killed by FCoD, as you claim, obviously he must be lying about his power. So why couldn't he be a Vamp?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 4, 2009 20:14:48 GMT -5
I mean, if you were killed by FCoD, as you claim, obviously he must be lying about his power. So why couldn't he be a Vamp? Because I'm a Vicar and Vicars are immune to vampire attacks? I've said this about three times. : p
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 4, 2009 20:22:53 GMT -5
Anyway, I just asked Pleo and he says it's not against the rules so PM quoting time. PCM, if you're a Vicar as well (and since Pede says you're Town, I have no reason to believe you aren't), then you'll know what the result wording is like---something I couldn't know unless I was a Vicar too, no?
Initial role PM:
Boozahol blessing notification:
SpecialEd blessing notification:
Bufftabby blessing notification:
Notification I got when I was resurrected:
Those are verbatim. Including the change from saying "blessed" to "bless".
If you are a Vicar as well, I urge you to read your PMs again. If I really wasn't a Vicar, how would I know how the results are said? That it only says "You bless so and so"? Unless he words it differently for you...
And, of course, if you read this and do finally believe what I say, then obviously I couldn't have been killed by a vampire, now could I?
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Post by Gir! on Oct 4, 2009 20:44:37 GMT -5
I mean, if you were killed by FCoD, as you claim, obviously he must be lying about his power. So why couldn't he be a Vamp? Because I'm a Vicar and Vicars are immune to vampire attacks? I've said this about three times. : p Bah, you actually expect me to go back and reread your posts?
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Oct 4, 2009 21:01:29 GMT -5
Anyway, I just asked Pleo and he says it's not against the rules so PM quoting time. PCM, if you're a Vicar as well (and since Pede says you're Town, I have no reason to believe you aren't), then you'll know what the result wording is like---something I couldn't know unless I was a Vicar too, no? No-one is disputing that you were town. The only question is whether or not you currently are town.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 4, 2009 21:12:30 GMT -5
Anyway, I just asked Pleo and he says it's not against the rules so PM quoting time. PCM, if you're a Vicar as well (and since Pede says you're Town, I have no reason to believe you aren't), then you'll know what the result wording is like---something I couldn't know unless I was a Vicar too, no? No-one is disputing that you were town. The only question is whether or not you currently are town. Well, as I just said in that same post, which you apparently missed, is that it should be pretty easy to verify...if PCM is a Vicar as well and has the same wording. Cause if it can be proved I am one, it can be shown I couldn't be killed by a Vampire. Which I still don't understand why anyone is doing this. Kat killed Julie. Kat is a Vampire. What am I missing here? Seems obvious to me.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 4, 2009 21:14:23 GMT -5
Please, someone answer me. Nobody has: How did Julie rise? She wasn't enchanting herself that night. How did she rise? Because if people are going to be stupid enough to suggest she rose any other way from being killed by a vamp (which she says she was)....I don't think anyone can help you.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 4, 2009 21:20:20 GMT -5
Night three - who did you enchant? Pede also. Still catching up.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Oct 4, 2009 21:36:14 GMT -5
Please, someone answer me. Nobody has: How did Julie rise? She wasn't enchanting herself that night. How did she rise? Because if people are going to be stupid enough to suggest she rose any other way from being killed by a vamp (which she says she was)....I don't think anyone can help you. She has claimed that she has the Town secret power--something which, let me remind you, has not been claimed by any other player yet--which let her revive herself when she died unexpectedly. And just because you can't be killed by a vampire doesn't necessarily mean you can't be resurrected by a vampire, or resurrected by the secret wolf or cabal power. Of course, this entire discussion is moot unless DBI flips town.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 4, 2009 21:42:12 GMT -5
And? So what? You believe her? Seems to me her claim is/was just an excuse to give as to why she was suddenly revived.
You're right, only one problem with that, though. SisterCoyote said she enchanted one of us: Julie or I. And since Julie was brought back to life, by her word, from her secret power, seems to show mine was the Witchdoctor. Although I don't believe Julie had the power to raise herself from the dead...chances are it was she was killed by the Vampire Kat, and was resurrected. Again, you seem to forget this is how it was in C1. Vampire kills you, you come back as a Vampire.
Everything points to her being undead and me being what I say I am. I'm wondering why you're not seeing this. It's very glaringly obvious.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Oct 4, 2009 22:03:27 GMT -5
And? So what? You believe her? Seems to me her claim is/was just an excuse to give as to why she was suddenly revived. You're right, only one problem with that, though. SisterCoyote said she enchanted one of us: Julie or I. And since Julie was brought back to life, by her word, from her secret power, seems to show mine was the Witchdoctor. Although I don't believe Julie had the power to raise herself from the dead...chances are it was she was killed by the Vampire Kat, and was resurrected. Again, you seem to forget this is how it was in C1. Vampire kills you, you come back as a Vampire. Everything points to her being undead and me being what I say I am. I'm wondering why you're not seeing this. It's very glaringly obvious. I. See. The. Possibility. In fact, I think it's probable. However, from my perspective, there is also a good chance that DBI was telling the truth. And I am trying to puzzle out the various possibilities. Look. Someone had to have the Town secret power. It wasn't any of the claimants as of Day 4. It isn't you. It isn't peeker. Therefore, either CatInASuit had it, or Julie had it. So yeah. I think her claim, while suspect, is also somewhat likely. Now, obviously, if Sis Coyote turns up town and DBI turns up non-town, that's a lot less likely. And vice versa. But right now, it's not outlandishly suspect like you seem to think it is. Furthermore, I have no idea why you are so heated as to ignore all nuance, guesstimation, probabilities and acknowledgment of uncertainty. It's not even like you're at risk. Barring a completely unprecedented event, Kat's going down toDay. And toMorrow, the argument will be resolved, one way or the other.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Oct 4, 2009 22:05:39 GMT -5
Completely unrelated to all that, I just realized that there's no reason for me to die at this point. If the witchdoctors are telling the truth, Bill ain't coming back. Which means I'm powerless, and no threat to the cabal. Plus, the Town knows I'm confirmed town, so they have no reason to kill me.
w00t, I guess. A tiny lining in an annoyingly sudden storm-cloud, for me anyway.
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Post by julie on Oct 4, 2009 22:41:20 GMT -5
Although I don't believe Julie had the power to raise herself from the dead... I don't really understand why you find it so bizarre. The Witchdoctor has the power to raise someone from the dead. The normal mechanism is choosing someone during the Night to enchant, and that isn't what I did, but why is the idea of a player raising herself so incredible? You believe me when I say that I didn't enchant myself but don't believe me when I say I had a secret power? I meant to ask earlier if in previous games the WD ever died in the same Night as someone he or she enchanted?
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Post by PrecambrianMollusc on Oct 4, 2009 22:54:53 GMT -5
Idle - when did you receive your PM - day or night?
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Post by PrecambrianMollusc on Oct 4, 2009 23:13:54 GMT -5
Idles PMs match mine on confirmation of blessing
It is not unrealistic DBI was blocked. In C2 the cabal had a one off kill that involved all the cabal concentrating their (limited as it turned out ) brain power and zapping someone. Although taht does not tie up with you knowing specifically who killed you.
If you are telling the truth - then FCOD is not a vamp, probably nt a group kill and hence DBI most likley blocked
I still can't figure out how Ed died and the four night two kills rely on either a special one off kill or two vigs and CIAS killing almost randomly. Eds death could have been CIAS killing ed. I don't discount the possibility Nanook is a very good liar and is not a vig, this would indicate another vamp or other killer.
With two vigs (or a 2nd vamp) is it possible that with the plethora of killing roles there may be two witchdoctors.
Oddly we seam to be light on other town roles - no coroner, no seer.
I don't follow why Idle is so insistent that Julie is a vamp - she knows she was killed by Kat, we have no idea what the vamps special power is other than past games. There have been no other claims for the towns special powers, is it feasible that Julie is telling the truth?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 4, 2009 23:27:32 GMT -5
Idle - when did you receive your PM - day or night? It was always at the end of day, right before Night started. The title of the PM, too, would be called "Day x Results", so I'm thinking that would be considered getting it in the Day, although at the last minute of Day. Julie and Pede- Or, Julie really could have that the secret power concidentally too. It still doesn't mean she wouldn't be undead now. I'm not denying the fact she/you had it...I'm saying it makes no bearing on the fact she/you are still turned. You probably did have it. But I still think you're now recruited and I also think that the town secret power was NOT "being able to raise myself from the dead"...I think you said it's that to give that excuse for raising when there was no other earthly reason.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 4, 2009 23:30:31 GMT -5
One reason I'm insistant upon is because I'm the one being accused of being the "recruit"....so I'm merely pointing out the fact that she'd be the more likely one when you put all the facts together.
But really, there's a lot of people who need dying: Kat, Cookies, FCoD. Julie's just coming up a lot since the discussion was that one of us was probably turned now.
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Post by PrecambrianMollusc on Oct 5, 2009 0:08:45 GMT -5
Ok - same here - you are either very good at guessing - or the simpler solution is that you are telling the truth. It is possible you were recruited regardless of who killed you - although the same can be said of anyone.
So with that in mind
FCOD needs killing although Kat really needs to die first Cookies can wait Is 6 wolves unlikely, I just do not beleive a claimed scum when they say they are the last one. The reason I want Kat dead is that she is more than likely a vamp - we have to cut down night kills. Killing cookies won't help if there is another wolf - or she is lying and is cabal A Kat lynch is the highest chance we have of cutting down on night kills.
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Post by Gir! on Oct 5, 2009 0:13:00 GMT -5
Hey, I didn't kill anyone last Night! *pouts*
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Post by PrecambrianMollusc on Oct 5, 2009 0:14:27 GMT -5
looking at the vote count - no one is getting lynched right now nanook and Idle haven't voted yet. (and Kat FWTIS) Julie - do you have a good case for cookies - or you need to swap - a no lynch is not good for town
Day Five Vote Count
Votes as of Post 99. With 11 living players, 6 votes are needed to lynch. No one will be lynched with these votes.
Kat (4): pedescribe [4], NAF [19], , PrecambrianMollusc [36], MHaye [78]. Cookies (2): FlyingCow [31], julie [64]. Idle Thoughts (1): FlyingCow [31]. FlyingCow (1): hockeyguy [15]. PrecambrianMollusc (1): Cookies [81].
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Post by PrecambrianMollusc on Oct 5, 2009 0:17:40 GMT -5
Hey, I didn't kill anyone last Night! *pouts* You also claim to be sweet and innocent
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Post by Gir! on Oct 5, 2009 0:27:01 GMT -5
I am!
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 5, 2009 1:00:55 GMT -5
While I do believe some can come down to just really good guessing...I doubt I would know what the role PM and exact wording is....well, exact. I knew it already, without ever hearing it from you or anyone else or seeing it. The only way that's possible, I figure, is if I'm a Vicar too. And I know that it doesn't take away the possible of recruiting if it's not vamp-oriented....but I assure you, I'm still Town.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 5, 2009 1:15:18 GMT -5
Vote Kat
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Post by julie on Oct 5, 2009 9:02:23 GMT -5
I chose Cookies over Kat! because I'm confident Kat! is a vampire and not confident what Cookies is. If Cookies is Cabal and Kat! is the last remaining non-Cabal non-Town, don't we lose if we lynch Kat!?
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Post by The Real FCOD on Oct 5, 2009 9:05:00 GMT -5
I chose Cookies over Kat! because I'm confident Kat! is a vampire and not confident what Cookies is. If Cookies is Cabal and Kat! is the last remaining non-Cabal non-Town, don't we lose if we lynch Kat!? This is my fear. We know what Kat! is, why not try to get rid of unknown scum? --FCOD
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Post by julie on Oct 5, 2009 9:06:10 GMT -5
You probably did have it. But I still think you're now recruited and I also think that the town secret power was NOT "being able to raise myself from the dead"...I think you said it's that to give that excuse for raising when there was no other earthly reason. If I were lying, why wouldn't I just have said I enchanted myself? That would have been a built-in excuse that came right along with my claim of being Witchdoctor. I had an obvious excuse but I chose to explain the complete circumstances, so now you say that there was no other excuse possible. That's weird.
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Post by Nanook on Oct 5, 2009 10:17:21 GMT -5
Vote: Kat!
Now she'll be lynched. We need to cut the uncontrolled body count down some. I don't believe for a second she's the last Non-Town, Non-Cabal. That doesn't make any sense with what occurred last Night.
One thing I seem to have missed in this mess is how Idle was rezzed. I see Julie claimed to have the Town secret power and self-rezzed, but what about Idle?
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Post by julie on Oct 5, 2009 11:03:32 GMT -5
One thing I seem to have missed in this mess is how Idle was rezzed. I see Julie claimed to have the Town secret power and self-rezzed, but what about Idle? SisCoyote claimed someone was coming back. If she meant Idle (and I don't know why she didn't say so. Sometimes, I think we all get too fond of playing close to the vest), that would explain his return. If she meant me, I didn't see any evidence of it. Idle, when did you get word you were dead and what were you told?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 5, 2009 17:56:06 GMT -5
One thing I seem to have missed in this mess is how Idle was rezzed. I see Julie claimed to have the Town secret power and self-rezzed, but what about Idle? SisCoyote claimed someone was coming back. If she meant Idle (and I don't know why she didn't say so. Sometimes, I think we all get too fond of playing close to the vest), that would explain his return. If she meant me, I didn't see any evidence of it. Idle, when did you get word you were dead and what were you told? I was just told I was killed, but if you look at this post, made my Sis: psychopathgame.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=game16&action=display&thread=1115#54911She says, in it, specifically "One of last Night's dead will be returning". At the start of that day, in this post: psychopathgame.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=game16&action=display&thread=1115&page=1#54761..you can see there were only two people who were of "last Night's" dead. You and me. That seems to say to me, very, very clearly (YMMV) that it was therefore either you or I that she enchanted. Now, let's look at the facts: 1. You had not claimed yet by then. She didn't know what you were. 2. She DID know, however, that I was probably Town. Even going so far as to point that out to someone who missed it in this post: psychopathgame.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=game16&action=display&thread=1115#549003. So sorry if I'm to lean more onto the assuption (which, again, I think is very clear) that she raised me and not you, especailly considering the other facts: 4. You said you were killed by Kat. 5. Kat claimed Vampire 6. The Vampires in all the Conspiracy games before this had the power to kill one person that would rise from the dead a Day later and be on their side. 7. You don't want Kat killed (said here, toDay: psychopathgame.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=game16&thread=1128&page=4). My guess is, because it means your new team would be one less member. And lastly, nothing to do with you, but: 8. FCoD claimed FreeMason. There aren't any other FreeMason's in the game. And I cannot fathom why the mod would put in just one and give him a secret handshake if there was nobody do to it with. Not unless it was a Gastard game. With all of these facts and cited posts to back them up, the evidence strongly shows that I am the one telling the truth and that you are the one, if anyone, that is now on the undead team...and that FCoD is some kind of scum with either a regular killing power or a one time thing.
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