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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 17, 2009 17:58:20 GMT -5
Vote: vote NAF
I know I promised days 4-6 but I'm short of time (ended up working this weekend unexpectedly)
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 17, 2009 22:34:42 GMT -5
Yes! Yees! We are so close. MHaye was almost certainly cabal, then. And FCoD was almost certainly a vampire. That means we are one cabal death and one Cookies death away from winning--if there's even a cabal left! Okay. I know I'm town. I'm pretty darn sure that both Idle and Sis Coyote are town. Nanook's pretty much confirmed. That leaves NAF and hockeyguy. Of the two, I find hockeyguy more townie, since he seemed earnest in his pursuit of Parzy. Vote: NAF [/color][/quote] I'm not so sure SisC is Town and think it would be dangerous to assume it. IF she is of another faction now, think about this: That whatever faction she is now, they now have two members. That means, after/if an unlucky Night Seven, Town might be looking at a loss.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Oct 17, 2009 23:44:23 GMT -5
Yes! Yees! We are so close. MHaye was almost certainly cabal, then. And FCoD was almost certainly a vampire. That means we are one cabal death and one Cookies death away from winning--if there's even a cabal left! Okay. I know I'm town. I'm pretty darn sure that both Idle and Sis Coyote are town. Nanook's pretty much confirmed. That leaves NAF and hockeyguy. Of the two, I find hockeyguy more townie, since he seemed earnest in his pursuit of Parzy. Vote: NAF [/color][/quote] I'm not so sure SisC is Town and think it would be dangerous to assume it. IF she is of another faction now, think about this: That whatever faction she is now, they now have two members. That means, after/if an unlucky Night Seven, Town might be looking at a loss.[/quote] Yes, but I see no reason to assume she isn't. Look at it this way: Julie was town. Julie claimed witchdoctor + secret power. Because Julie was Town throughout, she was telling the truth. Sis Coyote's PMs matched Julie's. Therefore, Sis Coyote was a witchdoctor. Now, given all that: If all the witchdoctors had the secret power (and I see no reason to assume that they didn't), then Sis Coyote is Town.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 18, 2009 1:25:34 GMT -5
I'm not denying she wasn't a Witchdoctor. I believe her, 100 percent, on that claim.
I'm just saying I wouldn't trust she's still Town, that's all..and I thought only ONE person had the secret power? One person and not a certain role? I may be mistaken, but if I'm not, then that means you're mistaken...and hopefully that would make you rethink your stance some.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 18, 2009 1:26:28 GMT -5
NETA: Plus she (SC) didn't say she used her secret power to raise herself, she said she enchanted herself (I.E. used her Witchdoctor power).
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Post by Nanook on Oct 18, 2009 15:35:16 GMT -5
It says one power per side, it doesn't state anything specifically beyond that.
I stated what happened last Night already Ped. I attempted to kill Mhaye again, and failed to do so.
Vote: NAF
Of the two reasonable vote choices, I find NAF the slightly more suspicious. The lack of conversation, combined with some of the statements he's made has rubbed me the wrong way. I can't point to something specific atm though.
I also should state that I'm in the process of packing my house for a move to Phoenix starting tomorrow. I'm going to be offline after this post for an unknown length of time. I'll try and send in my Night action early, I'm not sure if Pleo will accept it or not though.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Oct 18, 2009 20:34:16 GMT -5
I just realized--Nanook should be aiming at Cookies from now on. That way, as soon as the cabalists are dead, we win.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 18, 2009 21:56:52 GMT -5
I respectfully disagree.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 18, 2009 22:25:19 GMT -5
It says one power per side, it doesn't state anything specifically beyond that.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 19, 2009 10:08:42 GMT -5
No, I said I raised myself by use of the same secret power that raised Julie.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 19, 2009 11:13:22 GMT -5
What does it matter to you? If you are the last remaining wolf you can not possibly win. You do know that right? Cookies attitude has made it clear to me that there are at least 2 wolves left in the game. I know you are all suspicious of me now (though honestly I am not really sure why. If someone would ever point out to me why I constantly give off scum vibes I would be grateful) but do please look at the situation. There must be two wolves left for Cookies attitude to make any sense at all.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 19, 2009 11:17:55 GMT -5
Also, just because it really bugs me to see people playing uber lazy mafia like you guys are...will someone please actually present a case for why I am a better lynch than hockeyguy?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 19, 2009 11:50:29 GMT -5
OK, I will. You are taking great liberties with some of my comments that, were they any more tongue-in-cheek, I'd be licking my own earlobe. All, it would seem, to stir what little embers of paranoia you might be able to spark. I may not be able to win, but I may find some sliver of satisfaction by out-living you, NAF.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 19, 2009 11:53:49 GMT -5
I may not be able to win, but I may find some sliver of satisfaction by out-living you, NAF. I don't know why that would be seen as any kind of victory. I never make it to endgame. Ok, once I made it to endgame, but I was very lucky and very highly powered.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 19, 2009 12:07:49 GMT -5
OK, I will. You are taking great liberties with some of my comments that, were they any more tongue-in-cheek, I'd be licking my own earlobe. All, it would seem, to stir what little embers of paranoia you might be able to spark. Actually, let's you and me talk cookies. My boss is out of the office today so I don't have a ton to do. I am the walking dead and you are confirmed scum, so I figure we can have a good conversation without everyone else getting a wound up. What would you do in my situation? See, here I am, I know I am town which means I know hockeyguy is 99% to be cabal or a second wolf. I want town to win and know we have a mislynch to burn so I don't want to fight the lynch too hard because that is, frankly, not going to do anyone any good. I don't think I have ever talked my way out of a lynch. It isn't my strong suit. On the other hand, I know I am being railroaded here by a combination of very lazy town and scum. Let's face it, you have done a nifty job of manipulating the game since you claimed wolf. I applaud you for it. I can not, for the life of me, figure why you would be making the plays you have made if there isn't a second wolf out there still. It really doesn't make any sense, unless you are just getting your kicks causing chaos. That doesn't sound like you to me, but hey, I don't think I have ever seen you in a position where it was possible before. Sorry, I am getting off track. What would you do in my place right now? If I fight the lynch, that's evidence that I am guilty. If I put up the evidence that I have already put up that hockeyguy is more likely scum then I am, I am just going to be ignored again and get the old "look at him fight to stay alive, he must be scum" routine. If I yell at people like Nanook and Sister Coyote and ESPECIALLY Pedescribe for being so fucking lazy in their play it actually physically causes me pain, then I am attacking other townies. I may not have posted much, but I don't think there is a single thing you can point to that I have done that has not worked toward that goal of helping town. Hockeyguy has actually been shown to be pro scum, was called on it, and then roundly ignored. I don't know, maybe it's because I know this is the last real mafia game I am going to play for the foreseeable future and it bugs me that it's ending this way.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 19, 2009 14:06:06 GMT -5
NAF -
Actually, would you please re-post that information about hockeyguy?
I'm 3/4 asleep on my feet and struggling through my workday, so I just don't have the brainpower to deal with a detailed analysis of my own today. Tomorrow should be better.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 19, 2009 16:01:33 GMT -5
No, I said I raised myself by use of the same secret power that raised Julie. I don't believe you did. Doesn't make sense that two people on the same side (Town) would have the secret power. I'd say that was a bit of an unfair advantage. We're just going to have to agree to disagree for the rest of the game, I think.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 19, 2009 17:57:44 GMT -5
Life goes on. Love you some other game.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 19, 2009 18:25:34 GMT -5
NAF - Actually, would you please re-post that information about hockeyguy? I'm 3/4 asleep on my feet and struggling through my workday, so I just don't have the brainpower to deal with a detailed analysis of my own today. Tomorrow should be better. Off the top of my head, He disappeared conveniently shortly after it was revealed that the role he claimed already existed in the game. He claims it is totally likely that his role would also be doubled up, even though numerically the existence of the other doubles actually decreases that likelihood. I would suggest taking a look at his interactions with known Wolves and Cabal as well, and then comparing it to mine. But this whole "I am voting for NAF because some of the stuff he has said rubs me the wrong way" is bullshit. If I am going to end my last real game of mafia in a mislynch at least give me a proper one! Don't just whimper along, please! Present a real case. It's just a bit too depressing for me to end the game this way.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 19, 2009 18:27:11 GMT -5
Also to note, cookies not talking to me even though she was very much online after I posted my conversation starter. For a good long time she was online too.
I think she ignored me because I am right.
That's metagamey, I know. But screw it, I might as well go down fighting.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 19, 2009 19:48:49 GMT -5
Nope. I'm the last wolf, and have been for 4 Days now. Any resemblance to manipulation and futile machinations is purely coincidental.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Oct 19, 2009 20:48:51 GMT -5
NAF - Actually, would you please re-post that information about hockeyguy? I'm 3/4 asleep on my feet and struggling through my workday, so I just don't have the brainpower to deal with a detailed analysis of my own today. Tomorrow should be better. Off the top of my head, He disappeared conveniently shortly after it was revealed that the role he claimed already existed in the game. He claims it is totally likely that his role would also be doubled up, even though numerically the existence of the other doubles actually decreases that likelihood. 1. He's been intermittent this whole game. The only time when he was on regularly was during his spat with Parzival. That's a point in his favor--people who know they're right are likely to spend more energy fighting. 2. There were 2 vigilantes. There were 2 vicars. There were 2 witchdoctors.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 19, 2009 21:35:00 GMT -5
I can't answer point 1, it's just an observation.
The other multiples make it less likely not more. Think about game balancing not patterns.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Oct 19, 2009 21:45:00 GMT -5
I can't answer point 1, it's just an observation. The other multiples make it less likely not more. Think about game balancing not patterns. Game balancing? Magician is practically vanilla! Okay, yes, they can survive one NK attempt but the redirection means that it has little impact on the total due to the semi-randomness of the choice of the Magician. Besides, Pleonast openly said he doesn't balance via points.
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Post by hockeyguy8435 on Oct 20, 2009 3:03:21 GMT -5
He claims it is totally likely that his role would also be doubled up, even though numerically the existence of the other doubles actually decreases that likelihood. That, sir, is a lie. I never once said it likely there were two Magicians. In fact, I was adamant in there only being one, me. The only thing I said on the subject after he was said to be one was that I was wrong, and that I made a mistake and I understand why I'd be lynched if I was.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 20, 2009 8:51:04 GMT -5
You're right about that. It's actually Pede's argument that I am confusing with yours. I am just a bit confounded by why Pede would fight so hard for you. But I know he is town so there isn't much to do with that other than be disappointed by his play this game.
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Post by hockeyguy8435 on Oct 20, 2009 9:21:00 GMT -5
I reiterate my point in my vote.
If you're going to harp on me for being inactive, at least know what you're talking about. That's another time you've gotten confused with who said what, or forgot something, or made something up. For someone being so much more active than me, you shouldn't be making these mistakes when I'm not.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 20, 2009 10:18:50 GMT -5
I reiterate my point in my vote. If you're going to harp on me for being inactive, at least know what you're talking about. That's another time you've gotten confused with who said what, or forgot something, or made something up. For someone being so much more active than me, you shouldn't be making these mistakes when I'm not. Who said I was more active than you? I'm not making a comparison, I am saying that my inactivity is because I really have too much going on in my life right now to be playing mafia and probably shouldn't have signed up for this game, while you clearly have been lurking. You seem to be keeping up with the game just fine for someone who is too busy to pay attention. By your own admission I am making stupid and sloppy mistakes. That's because I am ACTUALLY not paying much attention. Lurking vs non-participation. We talk about it at the start of almost every game.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 20, 2009 10:25:28 GMT -5
My point above being that my lynch right now is a bad lynch. I don't have much invested in this game and I am not trying to talk my way out of being lynched. If you want to lynch me go ahead, we can afford it.
I am just asking for it to be a good lynch. This level of lazy sloppy play bugs me. I am spending maybe 15 minutes a day with this game and making some basic factual errors on occasion, and STILL am being less sloppy in my reasoning then most of you who are voting for me.
Nanooks case against me: Well he hasn't said much and what he has said I am not too sure I like, but I couldn't say why.
Sisters case: well I looked at him first and he isn't doing what I would expect of him, but I don't have time to look at anyone else
Pede's case: It's got to be NAF because I decided back on Day 3 that NAF was scummy and Hockeyguy was town and no evidence to the contrary will change my mind
Cookies case: I am a wolf and I am voting for anyone who isn't a wolf.
Idle's case: Even though I started the Day thinking he was town, he made a note keeping error that involved me so I am going to vote for him even after he corrected his mistake.
WHAT DOES ANY OF THE ABOVE HAVE TO DO WITH ME BEING SCUM?
Nothing. That's what. Again, I wouldn't mind being lynched if anyone had presented a case against me, but this just blows.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Oct 20, 2009 11:14:47 GMT -5
Pede's case: It's got to be NAF because I decided back on Day 3 that NAF was scummy and Hockeyguy was town and no evidence to the contrary will change my mind That is not my case at all. My case, such as it is, is that we need to lynch either you or Hockeyguy. I have made the case that hockeyguy is acting townie, which I summarize now (he pushed for Parzival to claim magician when Parzy made a soft claim. That is a very townie thing to do). If Hockeyguy is town, then either you are, or your lynch will make no difference. Note that I consider your 'two wolves' hypothesis absurd, since Cookies has quite clearly given up. If she had a chance, she wouldn't be playing like she is.
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