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Day 1
Oct 26, 2009 7:01:43 GMT -5
Post by CatInASuit on Oct 26, 2009 7:01:43 GMT -5
The dust from the firefight had settled and you all looked around nervously.
Out of five hundred, only the twenty of you stood around.
Not knowing who had survived and who had died, it was time to start talking with your fellow passengers.
Time to decide who should be placed in stasis.
Time, something you have plenty of now.
Day 1 begins now. It will end on Wednesday 4th November at 20:00 GMT
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Chucara
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Day 1
Oct 26, 2009 8:46:07 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Oct 26, 2009 8:46:07 GMT -5
Ok, just one question before we begin:
If I vote for A, and two hours later for B, what will the vote count be? A:1, B:1 - or B:1? (Assuming no one else has voted)
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Oct 26, 2009 9:35:39 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Oct 26, 2009 9:35:39 GMT -5
B: 1
There is no unvoting, only switching.
--FCOD
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Oct 26, 2009 10:34:11 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Oct 26, 2009 10:34:11 GMT -5
vote Pleonast Just to put myself on record that I'm going to vote for someone.
Anyone who ends a Day without a vote is going to be very suspicious to me, especially in this game. Our best chance to lynch scum is to have everyone vote--we outnumber scum, so when everyone votes most of the votes will be pro-Town. We'll make mistakes, but scum will not be able to evade all the time.
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Oct 26, 2009 10:35:39 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 26, 2009 10:35:39 GMT -5
You know, there's a part of me that wants to vote you, too, Pleo, just because.
So, what shall we talk about? Which of the Day One stuff shall we trot out? Given that MHaye's grudge thing is part of the rules, of course.
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Day 1
Oct 26, 2009 11:03:58 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 26, 2009 11:03:58 GMT -5
Vote Pleonast[/color] for killing me off in his game by accident.
Just kidding (the reasoning).
Really, for voting for himself right off the bat. Um, what? If we're using your logic, then voting for yourself is bad since you will ALWAYS HAVE THAT VOTE NOW..for the rest of toDay. What better and easier way for scum to manipulate the votes by placing needless votes on oneself. What were you thinking? Plus it strikes me as more likely a scum thing to do, voting for oneself as sort of a mind game, "See, I can't be scum because I'm voting for myself and what scum would ever do that" thing.
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Oct 26, 2009 11:14:28 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 26, 2009 11:14:28 GMT -5
Really, for voting for himself right off the bat. Um, what? If we're using your logic, then voting for yourself is bad since you will ALWAYS HAVE THAT VOTE NOW..for the rest of toDay. Well, he'll have that vote until/unless a better candidate comes along, and he re-votes, anyway. No wonder you and I are always at loggerheads, Idle, we think too much alike. I was wondering about the "Scum wouldn't do that" element of this play, too, but decided there isn't nearly enough to go on. Either way, it's certainly a ballsy maneuver.
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Oct 26, 2009 11:16:03 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Oct 26, 2009 11:16:03 GMT -5
Idle, I think you misunderstand how the voting works.
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Oct 26, 2009 11:19:35 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 26, 2009 11:19:35 GMT -5
From what I read.....once you vote, that vote always stays, even if you revote for someone else.
That if I put in a vote for Pleo and then later change it to, say, Kat...that the vote on Pleo is still counted (as is my vote on Kat). Or is that not how it is? Cuz that's certainly how the rules sounded like it was.
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Oct 26, 2009 11:22:47 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Oct 26, 2009 11:22:47 GMT -5
From what I read.....once you vote, that vote always stays, even if you revote for someone else. That's what I thought too. See my question in the Rules thread. And the moderator's answer.
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Oct 26, 2009 11:24:32 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Oct 26, 2009 11:24:32 GMT -5
Ok, just one question before we begin: If I vote for A, and two hours later for B, what will the vote count be? A:1, B:1 - or B:1? (Assuming no one else has voted) B: 1 There is no unvoting, only switching. --FCOD From what I read.....once you vote, that vote always stays, even if you revote for someone else. That if I put in a vote for Pleo and then later change it to, say, Kat...that the vote on Pleo is still counted (as is my vote on Kat). Or is that not how it is? Cuz that's certainly how the rules sounded like it was. So in your scenario it looks like it would be a vote for Kat only.
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Day 1
Oct 26, 2009 11:24:35 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Oct 26, 2009 11:24:35 GMT -5
From what I read.....once you vote, that vote always stays, even if you revote for someone else. That if I put in a vote for Pleo and then later change it to, say, Kat...that the vote on Pleo is still counted (as is my vote on Kat). Or is that not how it is? Cuz that's certainly how the rules sounded like it was. Nope. Try again! --FCOD
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Oct 26, 2009 11:25:35 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 26, 2009 11:25:35 GMT -5
From the rules: Boldings mine To me, "You cannot unvote" is saying that any vote you place on anyone will be counted the entire Day....because, after all, if you're not UNvoting them, then you still have a vote placed on them, yes? And the use of "another" strikes me as saying.....well...another! Another player along with the ones you already have a vote on. I'd think the wording would have been "A different player" if it wasn't how I'm taking/reading it. "You cannot not vote for anyone, only vote for a different player." Make sense? Now if I'm wrong, and I certainly conceed I could be, easily , then that's fine...just want to be clear because the way it is now sounds like votes accumulate. Where, if you vote for someone, your vote stays since you aren't able to UNVOTE them, even if you vote for another (second or third) person.
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Oct 26, 2009 11:27:11 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Oct 26, 2009 11:27:11 GMT -5
Hmm, another implication of the voting rules--we can apparently vote at Night.
Can we vote at Night?
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Day 1
Oct 26, 2009 11:27:19 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 26, 2009 11:27:19 GMT -5
Ok, just one question before we begin: If I vote for A, and two hours later for B, what will the vote count be? A:1, B:1 - or B:1? (Assuming no one else has voted) From what I read.....once you vote, that vote always stays, even if you revote for someone else. That if I put in a vote for Pleo and then later change it to, say, Kat...that the vote on Pleo is still counted (as is my vote on Kat). Or is that not how it is? Cuz that's certainly how the rules sounded like it was. So in your scenario it looks like it would be a vote for Kat only. Okay, makes sense now. I didn't get what Chucara was asking them but now that it's clear to me, I can see he was asking/talking about the same thing I was...haha. Thank you. That does make Pleo's vote less hazardous...although my second point and reason for voting for him still stands. Not as strong of a case as it was before, admittantly, though.
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Oct 26, 2009 12:09:49 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Oct 26, 2009 12:09:49 GMT -5
Pleonast, why is not voting bad *especially* in this game?
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Oct 26, 2009 12:17:53 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Oct 26, 2009 12:17:53 GMT -5
I guess I'll say it before anyone else does - I hate Day 1 - and especially long Day 1's So plenty of time to vote
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Oct 26, 2009 13:12:40 GMT -5
Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Oct 26, 2009 13:12:40 GMT -5
From what I read.....once you vote, that vote always stays, even if you revote for someone else. That if I put in a vote for Pleo and then later change it to, say, Kat...that the vote on Pleo is still counted (as is my vote on Kat). Or is that not how it is? Cuz that's certainly how the rules sounded like it was. Nah, now you've voted for Pleo. At this point, you can't ever not be voting for someone. If you vote Kat, your vote on Pleo comes off, and it just counts as you voting once. The deal is, though, that we don't have the luxury of saying to ourselves "That's a bad vote, and I don't have another candidate, so I just won't vote for anyone right now."
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Oct 26, 2009 13:25:27 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Oct 26, 2009 13:25:27 GMT -5
Nah, now you've voted for Pleo. At this point, you can't ever not be voting for someone. If you vote Kat, your vote on Pleo comes off, and it just counts as you voting once. The deal is, though, that we don't have the luxury of saying to ourselves "That's a bad vote, and I don't have another candidate, so I just won't vote for anyone right now." It's more correct to say that once you vote, you will always have a vote placed today. At Dawn Tomorrow, all existing votes are rescinded. So, for example, any votes placed at Night will simply be removed by the Dawn - so what's the point of placing them? Answers, on a postcard please, to the following address.... I'd post my normal opening speech, but I don't need to. All I have to do is say "see Rule 8." ;D More later.
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Oct 26, 2009 14:08:48 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Oct 26, 2009 14:08:48 GMT -5
Person or alien unknown had tampered with the Star Drive and as it was engaged certain criminal forces leapt into action looking to sieze the new technology for itself. As the ship moved through space a running battle started up between the criminals and the light security forces that were stationed on the Titania with you and the other passengers caught in the middle. So we got pirates with an infiltration team, a skeleton crew with a light security force and passengers caught in the middle. All can be human or aliens. Of course it's color but it might be useful to evaluate claims later. That does make Pleo's vote less hazardous...although my second point and reason for voting for him still stands. Not as strong of a case as it was before, admittantly, though. So clearly you thought voting should be well considered in this game, since the votes stick. It turns out it isn't all that bad, so all is well - except that you made a quick vote when you thought that was a bad idea. And skimmed over the rules clarification in both this and the rules thread. Really, for voting for himself right off the bat. Um, what? If we're using your logic, then voting for yourself is bad since you will ALWAYS HAVE THAT VOTE NOW..for the rest of toDay. What better and easier way for scum to manipulate the votes by placing needless votes on oneself. What were you thinking? Plus it strikes me as more likely a scum thing to do, voting for oneself as sort of a mind game, "See, I can't be scum because I'm voting for myself and what scum would ever do that" thing. "See, I can't be scum because I'm didn't even read the rules and skimming isn't a scum tell." Vote: Idle Thoughts Because his quick vote with his understanding that that votes are sticky don't match, especially with it explained twice already. I have no objection with anyone self-voting as a reminding push to vote for real later, but I know I am town so no reason to do it myself (cue lie detector speculation .
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Oct 26, 2009 14:56:01 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Oct 26, 2009 14:56:01 GMT -5
Haha. You do know that the guy who brought up the possibility of a lie detector in the current SDMB game turned up Scum, right?
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Oct 26, 2009 15:47:41 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Oct 26, 2009 15:47:41 GMT -5
Idle always skims. That's not much of an indicator.
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Oct 26, 2009 16:12:10 GMT -5
Post by CatInASuit on Oct 26, 2009 16:12:10 GMT -5
Hmm, another implication of the voting rules--we can apparently vote at Night. Can we vote at Night?Yes. Just to confirm: You only have one vote. Once it is active it will remain active and swapped from player to player as you see fit until Dawn.
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Oct 26, 2009 16:19:01 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Oct 26, 2009 16:19:01 GMT -5
Odd. If the record is effectively erased at Dusk when someone gets lynched, then disappears for good at Dawn, what is the point of votes remaining in-between? It's not as erased as it seems? There's some mechanism that makes use of that record? Or is it just more data?
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Day 1
Oct 26, 2009 17:06:16 GMT -5
Post by Dirx on Oct 26, 2009 17:06:16 GMT -5
Some of you know me already, but for those that don't, I'm Dirx from Giraffeboards. I've played only a handful of games so far. I tend not to be around on Fridays (this weekend especially--yay Halloween!). I also have a tendency to focus more on game mechanics than motives (I'm still working on that). Aaaand, yeah. I also hate Day 1, unless/until something interesting happens (dunno how things tend to go over here, but in the GB games, there's almost invariably some kind of blowup before the end of Day 1).
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Day 1
Oct 26, 2009 17:25:37 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Oct 26, 2009 17:25:37 GMT -5
Idle always skims. That's not much of an indicator. yeh, i'd tend to agree. based on history and his stated intention of participating to get the game going is not going to be much of a read. having said that he's also said that and because of that, meh.
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Oct 26, 2009 17:25:51 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Oct 26, 2009 17:25:51 GMT -5
Hey everyone I think Idle and unsure of the voting is not really telling, since...I was sure there would be atleast someone who would have these troubles. I kinda got the jist of it from the rules but I can see how it was inevitable that someone would be a little confused at first. Any ways to comment on this: So, what shall we talk about? Which of the Day One stuff shall we trot out? Given that MHaye's grudge thing is part of the rules, of course. Well there is the usual list to pick from...Lynch the lurker, when to and not to claim, mass claims, policy votes, I am sure I am missing a few here that are usually talked about. I tend to usually start things off with geussing what we are dealing with...20 players so what do you all think say 3 or possibly 4 scum?
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Day 1
Oct 26, 2009 17:27:01 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Oct 26, 2009 17:27:01 GMT -5
Some of you know me already, but for those that don't, I'm Dirx from Giraffeboards. I've played only a handful of games so far. I tend not to be around on Fridays (this weekend especially--yay Halloween!). I also have a tendency to focus more on game mechanics than motives (I'm still working on that). Aaaand, yeah. I also hate Day 1, unless/until something interesting happens (dunno how things tend to go over here, but in the GB games, there's almost invariably some kind of blowup before the end of Day 1). that has never happened on this board. just ask boozy.
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Day 1
Oct 26, 2009 17:40:22 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 26, 2009 17:40:22 GMT -5
Some of you know me already, but for those that don't, I'm Dirx from Giraffeboards. I've played only a handful of games so far. I tend not to be around on Fridays (this weekend especially--yay Halloween!). I also have a tendency to focus more on game mechanics than motives (I'm still working on that). Aaaand, yeah. I also hate Day 1, unless/until something interesting happens (dunno how things tend to go over here, but in the GB games, there's almost invariably some kind of blowup before the end of Day 1). that has never happened on this board. just ask boozy. Funny, I was just thinking the same thing. I don't hate Day 1. Something exciting always seems to happen, even if we do tend to go over a lot of the same ground (as shaggy said).
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Oct 26, 2009 17:42:22 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Oct 26, 2009 17:42:22 GMT -5
How about the Ed-Meeko Scum deathmatch from the game that just finished? That was an astonishing thing to watch spoiled.
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