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Oct 26, 2009 17:59:54 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Oct 26, 2009 17:59:54 GMT -5
How about the Ed-Meeko Scum deathmatch from the game that just finished? That was an astonishing thing to watch spoiled. hey, is this normal? if so, yawanna do fractions again? lol.
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Oct 26, 2009 18:01:15 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 26, 2009 18:01:15 GMT -5
So clearly you thought voting should be well considered in this game, since the votes stick. Exactly. What's your point? Do agree or disagree that, had I been correct, Pleo's vote would have been very, very shady and (since he'll obviously say he's Town) anti-Town? Didn't do that at all and am wondering where you got that from. I read the rules thread as I showed in my second post in here where I quoted it. If I was able to quote it, it's very obvious I read it. What I needed was for it to be cleared up.......for one. For two.....apparently you didn't play in the last game and I only THOUGHT I saw your name, because if you had, you'd have known that not knowing what the rules or roles are doesn't always = scum. Your reason for voting is really, really weak.
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Oct 26, 2009 18:03:35 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 26, 2009 18:03:35 GMT -5
Add on to the second quote/reply:
If you agree, then you understand my vote and would agree with my vote. If you disagree, then why do you find me suspicious for playing a "vote that sticks" and not Pleo?
Either way, you have explaining to do since that's your reason for voting for me. It's terrible inconsistent and really reaching.
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Oct 26, 2009 18:04:10 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Oct 26, 2009 18:04:10 GMT -5
How about the Ed-Meeko Scum deathmatch from the game that just finished? That was an astonishing thing to watch spoiled. vaudeville has never been my first choice in humor although it does have its place in the parthenon of diversions.
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Oct 26, 2009 18:05:50 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Oct 26, 2009 18:05:50 GMT -5
How about the Ed-Meeko Scum deathmatch from the game that just finished? That was an astonishing thing to watch Fixed. Dinosaur!
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Oct 26, 2009 18:12:04 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Oct 26, 2009 18:12:04 GMT -5
What's your point? Do agree or disagree that, had I been correct, Pleo's vote would have been very, very shady and (since he'll obviously say he's Town) anti-Town? big frackin if, there my friend. i mean, if pigs flew out of my ass i'd have fresh bacon every morning.
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Oct 26, 2009 18:27:15 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 26, 2009 18:27:15 GMT -5
Who said if? The word if isn't in that quote....unless you're putting "if" in the place of "had".
But no matter, I don't see how it applies. Had I been correct in how I thought it was (the votes sticking)...Pleo's self vote would have been shady. There's no if about it. And since that's what I had actually thought was the case when I made that vote...it shouldn't be too hard to undersand WHY I made that vote.
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Oct 26, 2009 19:04:29 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Oct 26, 2009 19:04:29 GMT -5
good point. it should read.
had pigs flown out of my ass i'd have had fresh bacon this morning.
sheesh.
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Oct 26, 2009 19:16:16 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Oct 26, 2009 19:16:16 GMT -5
Who said if? The word if isn't in that quote....unless you're putting "if" in the place of "had". But no matter, I don't see how it applies. Had I been correct in how I thought it was (the votes sticking)...Pleo's self vote would have been shady. There's no if about it. And since that's what I had actually thought was the case when I made that vote...it shouldn't be too hard to undersand WHY I made that vote. That is, of course, if we accept that you're telling the truth about skimming the rules. Which I do.
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Oct 26, 2009 20:36:46 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Oct 26, 2009 20:36:46 GMT -5
Who said if? The word if isn't in that quote....unless you're putting "if" in the place of "had". But no matter, I don't see how it applies. Had I been correct in how I thought it was (the votes sticking)...Pleo's self vote would have been shady. There's no if about it. And since that's what I had actually thought was the case when I made that vote...it shouldn't be too hard to undersand WHY I made that vote. That is, of course, if we accept that you're telling the truth about skimming the rules. Which I do. Why do you accept that he's just skimming? Twice so far, you have put blinders on WRT Idle Thoughts. Skimming to me seems like a convenient way to play off of past encounters and to dismiss possibilities. I'm not saying he's not skimming, just that town shouldn't blindly assume anything. That will just lead to scum hiding in blind spots that we create. Also, I realize that I'm pretty wet behind the ears and this might be some long running inside joke. But still, an inside joke might be a good place to hide too.
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Oct 26, 2009 20:54:04 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Oct 26, 2009 20:54:04 GMT -5
That is, of course, if we accept that you're telling the truth about skimming the rules. Which I do. Why do you accept that he's just skimming? Twice so far, you have put blinders on WRT Idle Thoughts. Skimming to me seems like a convenient way to play off of past encounters and to dismiss possibilities. I'm not saying he's not skimming, just that town shouldn't blindly assume anything. That will just lead to scum hiding in blind spots that we create. Also, I realize that I'm pretty wet behind the ears and this might be some long running inside joke. But still, an inside joke might be a good place to hide too. Point taken. I am going to be watching him more carefully from now on.
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Oct 26, 2009 21:03:55 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Oct 26, 2009 21:03:55 GMT -5
How about the Ed-Meeko Scum deathmatch from the game that just finished? That was an astonishing thing to watch spoiled. hey, is this normal? if so, yawanna do fractions again? lol. No thanks, peeker. Once was enough.
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Oct 26, 2009 21:15:05 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 26, 2009 21:15:05 GMT -5
Who said if? The word if isn't in that quote....unless you're putting "if" in the place of "had". But no matter, I don't see how it applies. Had I been correct in how I thought it was (the votes sticking)...Pleo's self vote would have been shady. There's no if about it. And since that's what I had actually thought was the case when I made that vote...it shouldn't be too hard to undersand WHY I made that vote. That is, of course, if we accept that you're telling the truth about skimming the rules. Which I do. I didn't skim the rules, I already said that.....I didn't UNDERSTAND/GET the rules. There's a difference.
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Oct 26, 2009 21:18:54 GMT -5
Post by special on Oct 26, 2009 21:18:54 GMT -5
I was wondering about the "Scum wouldn't do that" element of this play, too, but decided there isn't nearly enough to go on. Either way, it's certainly a ballsy maneuver. "Scum wouldn't do that" You keep using that phrase, I do not think it means what you think it means. 1 Vote: SisterCoyote From what I read.....once you vote, that vote always stays, even if you revote for someone else. That if I put in a vote for Pleo and then later change it to, say, Kat...that the vote on Pleo is still counted (as is my vote on Kat). Or is that not how it is? Cuz that's certainly how the rules sounded like it was. There were only 5 posts before your post. 2 of them were comments on the voting mechanism. The voting mechanism was also discussed in the rules thread. Vote: Idle Thoughts I guess I'll say it before anyone else does - I hate Day 1 - and especially long Day 1's So plenty of time to vote Scum will always do that 2 Vote: BillMc Idle always skims. That's not much of an indicator. yeh, i'd tend to agree. based on history and his stated intention of participating to get the game going is not going to be much of a read. having said that he's also said that and because of that, meh. I don't understand that. It's your new scum tell 3 Vote: peeker I tend to usually start things off with geussing what we are dealing with...20 players so what do you all think say 3 or possibly 4 scum? yeah, underestimate the number of scum/And why the hell are you sauron? That's just freaky 4 Vote: shaggy I also hate Day 1, unless/until something interesting happens (dunno how things tend to go over here, but in the GB games, there's almost invariably some kind of blowup before the end of Day 1). No debacles over here 5 Vote: Dirx How about the Ed-Meeko Scum deathmatch from the game that just finished? That was an astonishing thing to watch spoiled. I've got something to say to you: 6Shut up is a slang term meaning "be quiet". Referring to "close your mouth", it is usually considered to be rude. It may also refer to: * Shut Up (and Sleep With Me), a single by Sin With Sebastian * Shut Up (Black Eyed Peas song) * "Shut Up", a song by Blink-182, from their album Take Off Your Pants and Jacket * Shut Up (Bloodhound Gang song), a song by the Bloodhound Gang from their album One Fierce Beer Coaster * Shut Up (Kelly Osbourne album), a 2003 album * Shut Up (Kelly Osbourne song) a single from the same album * Shut Up (LaFee album), a 2008 album * Shut Up (LaFee song) a single from the same album * Shut Up (Lush song), a 1996 B-side to Ladykillers, by the group Lush * Shut Up (Madness song) * Shut Up (Nick Lachey song) * Shut Up Shuttin Up, a song off the Victor album * Shut Up! (Simple Plan song) * Shut Up (Trick Daddy song), a song recorded by Trick Daddy in 2000 * Shut Up and Bounce, a song from the movie Dostana * Shut Up Song, a song by Alexei Sayle, featured on his show Alexei Sayle's Stuff Vote: nphase How about the Ed-Meeko Scum deathmatch from the game that just finished? That was an astonishing thing to watch Fixed. Dinosaur!oh, you crossed a line. I hope you're a traitor mason with an insane investigative power 7 Vote: pedescribe I'm not saying he's not skimming, just that town shouldn't blindly assume anything. That will just lead to scum hiding in blind spots that we create. Also, I realize that I'm pretty wet behind the ears and this might be some long running inside joke. But still, an inside joke might be a good place to hide too. nonononono Skimming isn't really a scum tell. skimming is a skim-tell Vote: redskeezix 1. Inside Joke #1: SisterCoyote often talks of 'scum wouldn't do that.' Additionally, there's a reference to The Princess Bride which I'm pretty sure I played with Sister Coyote. 2. Inside Joke #2: See Inside Joke #1 3. Inside Joke #3: peeker seems sore that I picked him out as Scum due to his scum tell in NSFW on Giraffe. So he's accused me of finding scum tells in eerything he does. 4. Not an Inside Joke: it seems shaggy registered as "sauron" He probably did that while playing in Lord of the Rings on Facebook. That was his role. You can tell that's his registration name because when you quote him, it somes up in the quote tag. 5. Inside Joke #4: In Super Mario Brothers, I got into a debate with molefan. When discussing the exchange, the word debacle as used, and based on that use, a player (bufftabby) was lynched. 6. Inside Jokes #5 and #6: Much like my interchange with molefan, I got into a heated debacle-like argument with Meeko in Conspiracy III, though in that game we were both werewolves, and were both NightKilled Night 1. Additional, In Super Smash Brothers, I was an outed Scum (and traitor mason...don't get me started) in that game, I quoted Wikipedia extensively to make discussion difficult. I've learned my lesson and will never let it happen again. 7. Pedescribe was the moderator of Super Smash Brothers where I was a traitor mason, a hideous role. Additionally, he moderated Hamlet, where I was a mason with investigative powers that with results that went to someone else. Even more additionally, in Crimson Glyph, he made me a part of a 2 person masonry with Meeko. If you don't know Meeko, that won't seem like a big deal. Now, with all that said. Did anyone read all this? Vote: Special Ed As I agree with Pleonast, it's important to vote, and this will give me the motivation to make a case and place my vote in a serious fashion. Does anyone feel left out?
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Oct 26, 2009 21:36:10 GMT -5
Post by Dirx on Oct 26, 2009 21:36:10 GMT -5
Godammit Ed, you know I try to keep a running tally of every vote and unvote.* Now you made it all ugly:
Pleonast (2): Pleonast(3), Idle(5) Idle Thoughts (1): NatLaw(19), -Ed-(43.2)[43] Special Ed (1): Ed(43.10) redskeezix (0): -Ed-(43.9)[43] pedescribe (0): -Ed-(43.8)[43] nphase (0): -Ed-(43.7)[43] Dirx (0): -Ed-(43.6)[43] shaggy (0): -Ed-(43.5)[43] peekercpa (0): -Ed-(43.4)[43] BillMc (0): -Ed-(43.3)[43] Sister Coyote (0): -Ed-(43.1)[43]
*Yeah, yeah, no real unvotes in this game, but the principle of "when the vote ceased to be active/valid" is still the same.
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Oct 26, 2009 21:43:42 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Oct 26, 2009 21:43:42 GMT -5
yeah, underestimate the number of scum/And why the hell are you sauron? That's just freaky 4 4. Not an Inside Joke: it seems shaggy registered as "sauron" He probably did that while playing in Lord of the Rings on Facebook. That was his role. You can tell that's his registration name because when you quote him, it somes up in the quote tag. LOL...Well you are right Special Ed That your inside joke/not an inside joke #4...I show up under quotes and stuff as sauron cause I signed up origanally for this board due to the fact that we had to move the scum board on here, cause i kept getting pink boxes and disabled accounts over on FB during the LOTR game. Then when I actually started playing here I just changed the screen name and really almost forgot about it. I supose I could re-register under more of a personal account as compard to a previous game account but hey why bother.
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Oct 26, 2009 21:43:54 GMT -5
Post by special on Oct 26, 2009 21:43:54 GMT -5
Godammit Ed, you know I try to keep a running tally of every vote and unvote.* Now you made it all ugly: Pity that you're so stuck in your ways that you can't adapt. Pleonast (2): Pleonast(3), Idle(5) Idle Thoughts (1): NatLaw(19) Special Ed (1): Ed(43) see? Simple, clean and just as meaningful.
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Oct 26, 2009 21:55:44 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 26, 2009 21:55:44 GMT -5
How about the Ed-Meeko Scum deathmatch from the game that just finished? That was an astonishing thing to watch spoiled. It was pretty astonishing to watch spoiled, too. I was wondering about the "Scum wouldn't do that" element of this play, too, but decided there isn't nearly enough to go on. Either way, it's certainly a ballsy maneuver. "Scum wouldn't do that" You keep using that phrase, I do not think it means what you think it means. 1(massive snippage by me -- SC) Inside Joke #1: SisterCoyote often talks of 'scum wouldn't do that.' Additionally, there's a reference to The Princess Bride which I'm pretty sure I played with Sister Coyote. Oddly, I think Princess Bride is the only game I haven't played in so far on Giraffe. But I'm always up for a Princess Bride quote. That said, you appear to be misunderstanding my stance on "Scum wouldn't do that," or misquoting me, or whatever. My general stance is "Scum would absolutely do that," because Scum (generally speaking) has more collective brains than Town, and therefore something that makes no sense to a Townie (individual, and particularly those who try to figure out how such a maneuver would make sense if they were playing Scum) might make perfect sense to the Scum Team (group brain). This, by the way, is the direct result of having played in one too many tabletop FRPGs wherein we the players outthought the GM.
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Oct 26, 2009 22:06:07 GMT -5
Post by Dirx on Oct 26, 2009 22:06:07 GMT -5
Godammit Ed, you know I try to keep a running tally of every vote and unvote.* Now you made it all ugly: Pity that you're so stuck in your ways that you can't adapt. Pleonast (2): Pleonast(3), Idle(5) Idle Thoughts (1): NatLaw(19) Special Ed (1): Ed(43) see? Simple, clean and just as meaningful. Well, in this case, since your votes were all throwaway joke votes, sure. But otherwise, not including past votes means not including information. Curation is in my bones (ha ha! A paleontology joke!), so it goes against every part of me to not record it. Also, that smiley looks more like a "bleh" smiley than a "thbbbt" smiley. The latter is what I was going for.
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Oct 26, 2009 22:31:19 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Oct 26, 2009 22:31:19 GMT -5
I was wondering about the "Scum wouldn't do that" element of this play, too, but decided there isn't nearly enough to go on. Either way, it's certainly a ballsy maneuver. "Scum wouldn't do that" You keep using that phrase, I do not think it means what you think it means. 1 Vote: SisterCoyote [/color] There were only 5 posts before your post. 2 of them were comments on the voting mechanism. The voting mechanism was also discussed in the rules thread. Vote: Idle Thoughts [/color] Scum will always do that 2 Vote: BillMc [/color] I don't understand that. It's your new scum tell 3 Vote: peeker [/color] yeah, underestimate the number of scum/And why the hell are you sauron? That's just freaky 4 Vote: shaggy [/color] No debacles over here 5 Vote: Dirx [/color] I've got something to say to you: 6Shut up is a slang term meaning "be quiet". Referring to "close your mouth", it is usually considered to be rude. It may also refer to: * Shut Up (and Sleep With Me), a single by Sin With Sebastian * Shut Up (Black Eyed Peas song) * "Shut Up", a song by Blink-182, from their album Take Off Your Pants and Jacket * Shut Up (Bloodhound Gang song), a song by the Bloodhound Gang from their album One Fierce Beer Coaster * Shut Up (Kelly Osbourne album), a 2003 album * Shut Up (Kelly Osbourne song) a single from the same album * Shut Up (LaFee album), a 2008 album * Shut Up (LaFee song) a single from the same album * Shut Up (Lush song), a 1996 B-side to Ladykillers, by the group Lush * Shut Up (Madness song) * Shut Up (Nick Lachey song) * Shut Up Shuttin Up, a song off the Victor album * Shut Up! (Simple Plan song) * Shut Up (Trick Daddy song), a song recorded by Trick Daddy in 2000 * Shut Up and Bounce, a song from the movie Dostana * Shut Up Song, a song by Alexei Sayle, featured on his show Alexei Sayle's Stuff Vote: nphase [/color] oh, you crossed a line. I hope you're a traitor mason with an insane investigative power 7 Vote: pedescribe [/color] I'm not saying he's not skimming, just that town shouldn't blindly assume anything. That will just lead to scum hiding in blind spots that we create. Also, I realize that I'm pretty wet behind the ears and this might be some long running inside joke. But still, an inside joke might be a good place to hide too. nonononono Skimming isn't really a scum tell. skimming is a skim-tell Vote: redskeezix [/color] 1. Inside Joke #1: SisterCoyote often talks of 'scum wouldn't do that.' Additionally, there's a reference to The Princess Bride which I'm pretty sure I played with Sister Coyote. 2. Inside Joke #2: See Inside Joke #1 3. Inside Joke #3: peeker seems sore that I picked him out as Scum due to his scum tell in NSFW on Giraffe. So he's accused me of finding scum tells in eerything he does. 4. Not an Inside Joke: it seems shaggy registered as "sauron" He probably did that while playing in Lord of the Rings on Facebook. That was his role. You can tell that's his registration name because when you quote him, it somes up in the quote tag. 5. Inside Joke #4: In Super Mario Brothers, I got into a debate with molefan. When discussing the exchange, the word debacle as used, and based on that use, a player (bufftabby) was lynched. 6. Inside Jokes #5 and #6: Much like my interchange with molefan, I got into a heated debacle-like argument with Meeko in Conspiracy III, though in that game we were both werewolves, and were both NightKilled Night 1. Additional, In Super Smash Brothers, I was an outed Scum (and traitor mason...don't get me started) in that game, I quoted Wikipedia extensively to make discussion difficult. I've learned my lesson and will never let it happen again. 7. Pedescribe was the moderator of Super Smash Brothers where I was a traitor mason, a hideous role. Additionally, he moderated Hamlet, where I was a mason with investigative powers that with results that went to someone else. Even more additionally, in Crimson Glyph, he made me a part of a 2 person masonry with Meeko. If you don't know Meeko, that won't seem like a big deal. Now, with all that said. Did anyone read all this? Vote: Special Ed [/color] As I agree with Pleonast, it's important to vote, and this will give me the motivation to make a case and place my vote in a serious fashion. Does anyone feel left out? [/quote] just want to see what a whole lot of blue looks like.
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Oct 26, 2009 23:15:53 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 26, 2009 23:15:53 GMT -5
There were only 5 posts before your post. 2 of them were comments on the voting mechanism. The voting mechanism was also discussed in the rules thread. Vote: Idle Thoughts [/color] 1. I have already said I didn't get that exchange either, until after the clarification was given. 2. I have already pointed out that not understanding rules doesn't mean one is scum, as experienced countless times in the past (especially from me).
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Oct 26, 2009 23:18:39 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 26, 2009 23:18:39 GMT -5
I really don't get all the hooha about my not understanding the rules. I read them and the exchange in the first few posts in this thread fully and clearly and still was confused. It's a simple "not getting" the rules, which is not implausible in the least, and I'm strongly beginning to think/suspect those making a big deal out of it are wanting to make it the only thing talked about/debated over today.
So from here on, consider anyone making a huge deal out of it as someone I find suspicious.
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Oct 26, 2009 23:40:15 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Oct 26, 2009 23:40:15 GMT -5
vote PleonastJust to put myself on record that I'm going to vote for someone. Anyone who ends a Day without a vote is going to be very suspicious to me, especially in this game. Our best chance to lynch scum is to have everyone vote--we outnumber scum, so when everyone votes most of the votes will be pro-Town. We'll make mistakes, but scum will not be able to evade all the time. How is that different than in any other game? Also, how helpful do you feel voting for yourself really is. You say it puts you "on record that [you're] going to vote for someone", but if you wouldn't vote yourself in another game, how is voting yourself in this game different? That goes for anyone who's voted themselves under this reasoning. ( Idle's another story, since his self-vote was intended to cancel out a seriously-placed vote that he now feels is misplaced.) I don't believe that Idle's misunderstanding of the voting rule is a scum tell. Town are more likely to miss things than scum are, since they don't have a scumboard to discuss the game amongst themselves.
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Oct 27, 2009 0:50:30 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 27, 2009 0:50:30 GMT -5
My self vote? What? I never voted for myself, what the hell are you on about?
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Oct 27, 2009 0:51:14 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 27, 2009 0:51:14 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the benefit of the doubt from you but color me confused by what you meant..
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Oct 27, 2009 6:26:52 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Oct 27, 2009 6:26:52 GMT -5
[/color][/quote] My self vote? What? I never voted for myself, what the hell are you on about? ?
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Oct 27, 2009 6:39:53 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Oct 27, 2009 6:39:53 GMT -5
I think he didn't intend to self-vote and messed up the quote. special ed's voting spree also made the moderator give up as the vote thread no longer contains who voted who . I really don't get all the hooha about my not understanding the rules. I read them and the exchange in the first few posts in this thread fully and clearly and still was confused. It's a simple "not getting" the rules, which is not implausible in the least, and I'm strongly beginning to think/suspect those making a big deal out of it are wanting to make it the only thing talked about/debated over today. So from here on, consider anyone making a huge deal out of it as someone I find suspicious. So you were still confused about the voting rules while voting for Pleonast for using them to appear town? That doesn't match up. Sure, both town or scum or anyone can make mistakes but since you were confused about and thought votes were irrevocable, I expected a more considered vote (as in not voting yet in this case).
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Oct 27, 2009 6:41:48 GMT -5
Post by special on Oct 27, 2009 6:41:48 GMT -5
My self vote? What? I never voted for myself, what the hell are you on about? you quoted my temporary vote for you. The tags were messed up. It looks like you're voting for yourself.
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Oct 27, 2009 6:44:59 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Oct 27, 2009 6:44:59 GMT -5
4. Not an Inside Joke: it seems shaggy registered as "sauron" He probably did that while playing in Lord of the Rings on Facebook. That was his role. You can tell that's his registration name because when you quote him, it somes up in the quote tag. You can also hover with the mouse of the name to see it in the browser status bar (eg user=special - not special ed), which is useful when searching for someone's posts where you need to fill in the account name, not the display name.
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Oct 27, 2009 8:47:03 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 27, 2009 8:47:03 GMT -5
[/color][/quote] My self vote? What? I never voted for myself, what the hell are you on about? ?[/quote] As Natlaw pointed out, that was just me screwing up the quote of Special Ed. My original content to that post comes after the vote. Natlaw: Wow, you really twisted that around to suit your needs, didn't you? I wasn't confused at the time, at all. I had thought what I thought was the case (I.E. No confusion)...it was only after Pleo said "I think you may be confused about the voting" did I ask for clarification and become knowing of the fact I might be confused. You ARE following this Day along right? I did consider my vote well. Since I had thought what I thought, I thought it was a very good vote since what I figured at the time was Pleo putting a sticking vote on himself. VOTE NATLAW[/color] for continuing on this whole thing and twisting around what the case was. Not voting for Pleo anymore, now am I?
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