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Post by sachertorte on Nov 17, 2009 9:51:03 GMT -5
It's too bad when the game stagnates from a strong consensus lynch. There really isn't anything that can be done about it, but it becomes less interesting to follow. I think I'm growing more impatient with game proceedings. I really want a fast forward button.
And I kind of agree with peekercpa, which is kind of concerning in and of itself. I didn't read all of Day One, but when storyteller was defending Chucara as probable Town, I was nodding my head, then I was completely baffled when Chucara ended up being lynched. I would have expected storyteller to have been able to provide a cogent argument why Chucara was likely Town. We had just finished a game where we concluded that a politician was Town because power proved alignment (Disney). In this game, power won't definitively prove alignment, but a politician's power strongly implies alignment, and lynching Chucara was crazy dumb. Which leads to the question, why didn't storyteller defend Chucara more? The only reasons I can think of are: storyteller wanted Chucara lynched. or storyteller didn't want undue attention for defending Chucara Either way. Doesn't look good for storyteller.
The one distracting point in storyteller's favor, is why a scummy storyteller bring up his belief that Chucara was Town at all? He could quite comfortably say nothing. That's an important point that I think peekercpa is missing, but I otherwise get what he is saying.
I also don't like the "why is storyteller alive?" argument. I think that is dumb and potentially dangerous. If peekercpa succeeds and gets storyteller lynched, then should storyteller turn up Town, peekercpa will be lynched next. This is not a good move for peekercpa regardless of his alignment. But I think the fact that peekercpa brought it up at all makes me think Town. I don't see scum pushing so hard for a storyteller lynch based on 'he's still alive!' arguments. That's an easy paper trail to follow. It is much more plausible that (a) storyteller is scum (b) storyteller is Town and scum are hoping Town will lynch him for being alive but won't push it themselves So if storyteller is Town, I'm confident peekercpa is Town too.
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Post by CatInASuit on Nov 17, 2009 9:58:24 GMT -5
Are you sure I can't interest you in subbing in sachertorte?
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Post by CatInASuit on Nov 18, 2009 8:29:59 GMT -5
Well, Boozy Squid has vanished off the face of the planet, so if anyone would like to sub in for him, please let me know.
Sorry to former players who are ineligible to rejoin.
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Post by sachertorte on Nov 18, 2009 17:32:32 GMT -5
Are you sure I can't interest you in subbing in sachertorte? Sorry. No. I'm trying to pace myself with these games. Too much gets me burned out.
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Post by Dirx on Nov 18, 2009 18:54:52 GMT -5
Spoil me, pretty please? I'm dying to know what's going on in this game.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Nov 18, 2009 19:28:08 GMT -5
CIAS, since it's night and fluff time can I pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease go over in the thread and start biting people's butts? Because Ed brought it up.
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Post by BillMc on Nov 18, 2009 20:02:17 GMT -5
Well since I can't sub back in - spoil me please.
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Post by CatInASuit on Nov 19, 2009 3:54:26 GMT -5
CIAS, since it's night and fluff time can I pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease go over in the thread and start biting people's butts? Because Ed brought it up. Actually, you can strategise at Night as well. But since he bought it up, feel free to bite Ed in the butt in the Night 3 thread.
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Post by CatInASuit on Nov 20, 2009 10:14:19 GMT -5
I'll just repeat about requiring a sub for the game again.
Have we started running into a lack of people able to sub in, or is real life just a lot busier these days?
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Nov 20, 2009 11:26:22 GMT -5
Hah! Betcha didn't see that coming, didya?
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Post by Renata on Nov 20, 2009 12:34:57 GMT -5
Spoil please. May as well find out just how badly I screwed up.
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Post by Renata on Nov 20, 2009 12:35:57 GMT -5
(Edited to remove comment that might have been slightly spoilish.)
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Post by Merestil Haye on Nov 20, 2009 17:26:18 GMT -5
*Ponders*
I'd like spoilers as well please.
I'd offer to sub in, if I thought you could live with it. Your call.
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Post by Renata on Nov 20, 2009 17:34:36 GMT -5
Going to be extremely hard to justify any recent dead hopping in given the state of the role reveals. Even if, hypothetically speaking, we were Passenger or third party roles with no information on anyone else, we still know our own (original) role and alignment at the moment, when no one else does.
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Post by Gir! on Nov 20, 2009 19:39:00 GMT -5
Hell, I'd be happy to sub in? ;D
If not, go ahead and spoil me.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Nov 23, 2009 15:56:02 GMT -5
I swear, they've all forgotten how to vote over there.
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Post by Gir! on Nov 23, 2009 19:15:35 GMT -5
Let's invade the game thread and cast Dead VotesTM! For the Mods! ;D
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Nov 23, 2009 21:34:17 GMT -5
So Shaggy claims to be a bomber/survivor.
Assuming the bomber part is true, town or scum will take him out. Because unless there is a way to confirm his win con, he's too dangerous to leave alive.
This is where the game of chicken comes into play. Scum lose nothing by taking him out. Town get a mislynch by taking him out. His only hope to win (either solo or with another side) is that the other sides consider each other more dangerous than him. Scum want town to mislynch, town wants scum to do them a favor and take him out.
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Post by Natlaw on Nov 25, 2009 6:39:19 GMT -5
Mmm, peekercpa seems to be implying he got recruited by alien shaggy. Which I think only makes sense as a scum unless he is really recruited and has a more useful power than shaggy which would allow them to win sooner. Not that likely though so I agree with lynching him.
I had the similar thought as sinjin the alien is literally a Mad Bomber and his bombs are triggered when someone with a bomb is killed (killing the attacker). Might be reading too much into color which is just colour though.
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Post by Natlaw on Nov 25, 2009 15:45:45 GMT -5
Unconfirmed: 8. redskeezix 10. storyteller 14. Pleonast 17. sinjin
Likely town: 2. Special Ed I don't see scum bussing a tough guy unless they we're really sure there was no doctor (although town blocker dead).
Third Party/PFK: 5. shaggy
Town: 19. Nanook 20. sachertorte
Assuming two kills, if second killer kills town so I expect Nanook or sachertorte and special ed dead Tomorrow. That leaves 2/1/3 or 3/1/2 Town/PFK/Scum, the first is a loss, second LyLo. shaggy has to bet on LyLo (thus kill town) or he's a sure lynch. But if he want to push his I win with town card he might go for killing an unconfirmed but I wouldn't do it in his place).
So if shaggy was lynched and it resulted in only one Night kill: 3/1/3 or 4/1/2. Lylo or a mislynch left so I guess lynching shaggy would have be better, but only if he's actually a killer. A delayed bomber seems more fitting to me.
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Post by Natlaw on Nov 25, 2009 15:48:57 GMT -5
Nanook missed an option: against the alien (and peeker just made a truthful claim except for alignment). Possible he could protect the tough guy who would still be able to kill through his protection.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Dec 2, 2009 17:16:34 GMT -5
So shaggy was a bomber combined with a vote switcher?
Interesting.
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Post by shaggy on Dec 2, 2009 19:08:38 GMT -5
Yes I lied about the vote switcher but everything else was true....Hey after chucara lynch do you really balme me for not using it or claiming it?
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Post by Sister Coyote on Dec 2, 2009 19:45:07 GMT -5
Nope, not at all. I'm just still trying to parse who the hell killed me.
Bet I scared you pretty good, though...
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Post by shaggy on Dec 3, 2009 19:00:39 GMT -5
Yeah i am really wanting to find that out too.
Yeah I was quite scared about, how do I stay hidden now with a role designed to find me.
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