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Day 3
Nov 13, 2009 22:54:30 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 13, 2009 22:54:30 GMT -5
fuckit
vote dirx
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Day 3
Nov 13, 2009 23:21:29 GMT -5
Post by special on Nov 13, 2009 23:21:29 GMT -5
what name is everyone wanting? The name of Dirx? my name? the name of the investigator? ed don't be obtuse. noone would even be remotely considering suggesting you provide a name on where the info is coming from, at least not me and not others do i think. please read reply #27
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Day 3
Nov 14, 2009 1:36:35 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Nov 14, 2009 1:36:35 GMT -5
No, no no! *Whether*you had a name is what Story (and I, temporarily) asked. Not what the name was. But I don't think it matters anymore.
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Day 3
Nov 14, 2009 3:38:41 GMT -5
Post by special on Nov 14, 2009 3:38:41 GMT -5
No, no no! *Whether*you had a name is what Story (and I, temporarily) asked. Not what the name was. But I don't think it matters anymore. I can't understand the reasoning for even giving out the fact that I may possess of any information. The only non-gastard way that I see for Dirx to not be an infiltration team member is for him to be a miller. I'm just wondering why me to give the information to. Perhaps it's random? Perhaps I was investigated Night 1? But then the Investigator would have had to have been privy to the results.
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Nov 14, 2009 7:49:31 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Nov 14, 2009 7:49:31 GMT -5
You'll have to ask Storyteller about that first bit at this point; I decided it was irrelevant once I thought about it.
As for why you -- why is that a mystery? Everyone with a claim in so far (believable or otherwise) must have been considered high risk of winding up dead (or just been inactive, like Boozy). That leaves being forced to take a blind shot at finding Town, and you've been reading pretty Townie so far, at least to me. Honestly this is the first thing from you that's pinged me at all -- you had an apparently very similar role in the Disney Mafia you just ran; you must have given some thought as to how people were likely to play it.
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Day 3
Nov 14, 2009 8:08:41 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 14, 2009 8:08:41 GMT -5
the only reason i was curious if you knew who gave you the results was because if that person were to need to subsequently come forward they become somewhat confirmable via you. i want to reiterate that i have no desire for any more specificity than you have provided (i mean i'd like to know because that is my nature in real life but from a game stand point it would not be good).
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Day 3
Nov 14, 2009 8:14:05 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 14, 2009 8:14:05 GMT -5
and as a heads up, because i agree with pleo, i will be around a little less this weekend than usual for me. my wife runs in the s.a. rock and roll marathon tomorrow so we have some pre race stuff to do today and then the race tomorrow. grand funk is playing at the post race party. grand funk, who would have thunk they were still playing. they were the first band i ever saw in concert back in 72. shoot just typing that makes me feel really old.
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Day 3
Nov 14, 2009 11:59:04 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Nov 14, 2009 11:59:04 GMT -5
Hey everyone, Renata, I was mearly thinking that it could help make a claim such as this more strong but I do admit it could be 2 scum getting a false lynch and then being able to say "what we only got the results, not make them." and then they can not be blamed for it. Not saying I will not vote dirx but trying to play devils advocate and make sure we keep a few things in the back of our mind just in case. At the end of the day, the logical choice for me is to vote the guy, but in the meantime trying to think all things out. I am thinking for now he is right and we should vote dirx but I am still going to hold off, seeing as the day only began and we obviosly have more then 1 infiltrator in the game, so I say we keep looking for other targets cause tomorrow will bring needing to find the others. So why waste a day on one that apears to be found, when we can still be looking for the rest and then vote for the one we have in front of us. I do want to say even if ed did know the name of the investigator, how is it pro-town for him to out another player, lettle alone a cop? To me this would be a bad thing, so if he does know he should not say. Leave it for the cop to decide when and if they choose to out themselves. After all the best part of an amnesiac cop is that they can stay hidden well, by having others get the results and tell everyone. So for what it is worth i say if you know, keep it to your self. Why hand the scum a nother target? Keep the person hidden and keep the scum geussing who it is. Anyways that is my thinking and 2 cents worth.
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Day 3
Nov 14, 2009 12:26:42 GMT -5
Post by special on Nov 14, 2009 12:26:42 GMT -5
I do think what shaggy calls an amnesic cop is an interesting role.
In the first Disney I had a narcoleptic cop, but he was just a 50% cop.
And it's true that the most recent Disney had a watcher who didn't get his results but sent them to someone else.
There have been a couple of games where investigative results went to someone other than the investigator, but they may have all been facebook games.
The advantages are that the investigator can stay shielded. The results can be given out freely. I mean, I don't have to divulge my power or absence of power to give the results.
The disadvantages are huge though. The results may go to Scum or 3rd party (which is also a possibility for Night 1 along with the recipient being dead). Also, the player who gets the results might die that Night. Once claimed, a doctor cannot protect both the investigator and the recipient.
Anyway, I agree, we should keep looking for more Scum. I might take a look at Dirx's interactions as well. See if anything pops out at me.
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Day 3
Nov 14, 2009 13:02:25 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Nov 14, 2009 13:02:25 GMT -5
I wonder if the recipient was SisC, assuming for the moment everything is as it appears. She obviously did not expect to be killed, and if someone believed her to be truthful, she'd have made a "great" target for that reason.
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Day 3
Nov 14, 2009 13:07:30 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 14, 2009 13:07:30 GMT -5
ed don't be obtuse. noone would even be remotely considering suggesting you provide a name on where the info is coming from, at least not me and not others do i think. please read reply #27 ok, well i wasn't.
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Day 3
Nov 14, 2009 14:57:32 GMT -5
Post by CatInASuit on Nov 14, 2009 14:57:32 GMT -5
Vote Count
Current Status: dirx Lynch.
dirx(3) nphase(1)
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Day 3
Nov 14, 2009 15:26:18 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Nov 14, 2009 15:26:18 GMT -5
I went back and read Dirx's posts and nothing jumped out at me. He's only posted a total of 17 times in the game and most of them are fluff or vote counts.
I can't think of any reason why we should not stasis Dirx today unless someone wants to come out and claim godfather or talk about their scum kills. If he turns up town then we have to figure out what if anything to do about Ed.
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Day 3
Nov 14, 2009 15:58:17 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Nov 14, 2009 15:58:17 GMT -5
Oops forgot to vote:
Vote: Dirx
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Day 3
Nov 14, 2009 21:19:58 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 14, 2009 21:19:58 GMT -5
gotta luv this shit. wheeeeee this is fun.
let's not talk and make that part of the game.
wheeeeee. having fun now.
oh but wait if i try to eliminate or prod someone then that makes me. i don't know story, unsound, perhaps?
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Day 3
Nov 14, 2009 21:32:48 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Nov 14, 2009 21:32:48 GMT -5
Not even people showing up to say, well gee, we have an interesting accusation here.
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Day 3
Nov 14, 2009 21:59:40 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 14, 2009 21:59:40 GMT -5
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Day 3
Nov 14, 2009 22:13:27 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 14, 2009 22:13:27 GMT -5
neta: the kind of rabbits that bite like mother fuckers and make you hate easter. except for the chickens that shit chocolate. that's kind of freaking cool.
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Day 3
Nov 14, 2009 23:20:43 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Nov 14, 2009 23:20:43 GMT -5
I do think what shaggy calls an amnesic cop is an interesting role. I hope I have the role name right in what I call it. When you claimed about it, i went onto the mafia scum wiki site and that was the name they gave for the role I think best described it. So if it is actually called something else please by all means correct me here. mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Category:RolesIt is a great web site for looking up roles and better understanding powers...cause this site has them all....well almost all, there are some more bizzare roles I have found on other sites but still, this one has the most all on one, I find. This is the site Ed where I discovered the flying pumkin on at the start of your game. I do have to agree with Sinjin I reviewed all the posts of Dirx and I gotta also say I am not seeing anything compelling not to suck it up and trust in the investigation results. Since I am on nights for 2 weeks I need to not screw up my sleep pattern so tonight and tomorrow night when there is nothing on TV at 4 am, I am going to use the time to better examine a few I have been meaning to take a closer look at. On a side note peek great link there, really made me laugh. I use to watch looney toons all the time. So I did get a good laugh from it.
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Day 3
Nov 15, 2009 4:49:19 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Nov 15, 2009 4:49:19 GMT -5
Well I spent my night trying to keep awake by reviewing almost everyone. Here is my thoughts on each. After all i said we should still even if we lynch dirx try and keep looking for another day who else maybe scum. I did a coles notes short version, so I can expand if anyone wants me to. But other wise here you go:
Redskeezix, A little suspicious of, due to the vote day one, which was a “I m voting but do not really agree with my own vote.” Day 2 did try and explain but really other wise that day nothing really posted to much, ended up going for a LTL strategy which amounts to a vote once again for little to no reason and therefore no real accountability. So both days not much pushing people to be accountable for there votes/posts and not much really here. Kinda makes me a little suspicious.
Nphase, well I think day 1 and last day pretty much outlined my thoughts here, so no need to rehash them. I am really suspicious of her.
Special Ed and Story teller, I am leaning towards town, since both are great players and if they were scum, I do not see why they would on day not one simply let the clock run out and have chucara be lynched, the end of day switch to me almost says they really did not know what he was…maybe I am to trusting here but hey. I just see more town playing then scum playing from them.
Kat and Squid, I am willing to put on the mason list….would be nice to get squid in here to say yes but for now I am ok with it.
Pleo and Mhaye, never really got the whole case on them…So the not really sure one way or the other for that.
Sinjin and Nanook, well not been here enough and the old them’s were not here either for me to form an opinion. So could be one or the other.
Peek, While the jury is still out, though I am leaning towards town. Since despite the usual abrupt way of him being well him, he does seem to be trying here.
So obviously I do have a couple people here that if it had not been for the invetigation I would be more then comfortable placing a vote on, but I think I will trust for today the investigation and hope it is right. So:
Vote Dirx
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Day 3
Nov 15, 2009 15:46:30 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 15, 2009 15:46:30 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRu30B7C1uIso i guess talkie be bad. sorry. and shag apparently since we should be having a dialogue. i'll give you skeez. phasey looks a little squinked. but shit she can't do fractions so big red mark in my book anyways. ed is starting to weird me out. he hasn't nailed me on a scum tell yet. so that's like, wtf. story is confusing me but what's new. we don't approach this endeavor in remotely the same way. but he's good, and i mean dangerous good. and i guess, and i know this all metagamey as hell. i asked him earlier about why he would still be alive. i was no shit not kidding about that question. because if he is town, there ain't no way in gooses shit that he is still alive. the rest, meh.
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Day 3
Nov 15, 2009 16:07:00 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 15, 2009 16:07:00 GMT -5
oh, and neta. the marathon was cool as fool. 30k+ folks are a lot of souls pounding the street. the missus did great. finished in about 2.3 hours for a half. first time out, btw. thought it was kind of funny that everyone was sitting around drinking beer at 10 a.m. on a sunday. and the winner (and i know exercise is healthy and all that shit) looked like something from bataan. creepy creepy skinny and fast to boot. shoot if he ran that fast in my neighborhood the cops would probably give him a ticket for speeding.
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Day 3
Nov 15, 2009 16:16:33 GMT -5
Post by CatInASuit on Nov 15, 2009 16:16:33 GMT -5
Vote Count
Current Status: dirx Lynch.
dirx(5) nphase(1)
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Day 3
Nov 15, 2009 17:42:21 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Nov 15, 2009 17:42:21 GMT -5
And here I thought talking is good...though me admiting to liking the last clip and tuning into fox news for a certain show may warrent it being bad aparently...LOL....
Congrats on the marathon peeker . I have to ask...is that 2.3 hours for half of it...er 4.6 for the entire race or 2.3 for the entire race? Eigther way, that is fast. I could not imagine running a marathon and having that kind of time, probably take me like 12 hours....LOL... Though drinking beer before the race, something just seems wrong about that...
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Day 3
Nov 15, 2009 17:54:19 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Nov 15, 2009 17:54:19 GMT -5
Before you start bitching and moaning about people not talking, keep in mind it's the weekend and a lot of us don't generally post on weekends. Personally, I really dislike games that have any part of the Day fall on weekends, but that's the way it is.
Ed, you really don't see why knowing if you know who the results came from is useful information? I don't see a drawback to it, unless we start positing recruitment, and it has some potential upside at a later time. No one who spends more than 5 seconds thinking about it actually expects you to out the person if you do know the name, but that isn't what people are asking.
That said, I agree with you that if you are telling the truth, then there's no way Dirx is anything other than scum or miller. Giving the scum what basically amounts to a free mislynch like that isn't even Gastard, it's broken.
Of course, that's assuming your telling the truth. While it seems unlikely(REALLY unlikely) that a scum would lie in that way, it's not completely out of the question. At this point of course, there's no reason to do anything other than go on the assumption that you're truthful.
Vote: Dirx
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Day 3
Nov 15, 2009 23:29:40 GMT -5
Post by Dirx on Nov 15, 2009 23:29:40 GMT -5
Wow. I'm busy and away for a few days, and suddenly the center of attention. Alright, well, first things first: <font style="font-size: 12px;"> Ed -
On a Scale of 1 to 10, how confident are you that your source is an actual Town investigator, and not Scum yanking your chain?
Do you know the identity of your Night messenger? PLEASE don't share it if you do, but the yes or no of it is potentially critical. I am about a 9 on the confidence-o-meter. It would be pretty gastard for my information to be false. <font style="font-size: 12px;"> No, no no! *Whether*you had a name is what Story (and I, temporarily) asked. Not what the name was. But I don't think it matters anymore. I can't understand the reasoning for even giving out the fact that I may possess of any information. The only non-gastard way that I see for Dirx to not be an infiltration team member is for him to be a miller. I'm just wondering why me to give the information to. Perhaps it's random? Perhaps I was investigated Night 1? But then the Investigator would have had to have been privy to the results. (underlining mine) Or, there's the possibility that you're lying If you're not lying about getting that information, then the only other possibility is that the information itself is incorrect. Either it was given by scum (I agree that it seems very unlikely), or the investigation itself went awry (investigator getting incorrect alignments? Scum bus driver?) I'll claim now, for what good it will do me. I'm vanilla town. Not scum, not a miller. According to my bio, my name is Jake, and I'm one of the wealthy private citizens who nabbed a 1st-class cabin on the Titania. There are currently 13 players left. What do we estimate for scum's numbers? Somewhere between 3 and 5 starting? I don't know if I've seen a 20+ player game with as few as three scum, but it's possible if they're fairly powerful. Anyway, my mislynch, plus three more kills Tonight (worst-case scenario), the numbers would be 6-3 (for 3 scum), 5-4 (for 4 scum), or 4-5 (for 5 scum). That leaves no mislynches for the first two scenarios, and a loss in the third (of course, this assumes max kills each Night, and that no scum have yet been killed). I can't give you guys anything to convince you that I'm town, but you need very seriously consider whether you can afford this mislynch or not. I'm going to read through the game again, and see if I can come up with anything--particularly in regard to Ed. I also think someone should check my math, because being at LYLO on Day 4 seems pretty quick.
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Day 3
Nov 16, 2009 3:28:58 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Nov 16, 2009 3:28:58 GMT -5
Hey everyone, Well I just have to put my 2 cents in here: Before you start bitching and moaning about people not talking, keep in mind it's the weekend and a lot of us don't generally post on weekends. Personally, I really dislike games that have any part of the Day fall on weekends, but that's the way it is. Ed, you really don't see why knowing if you know who the results came from is useful information? I don't see a drawback to it, unless we start positing recruitment, and it has some potential upside at a later time. No one who spends more than 5 seconds thinking about it actually expects you to out the person if you do know the name, but that isn't what people are asking. That said, I agree with you that if you are telling the truth, then there's no way Dirx is anything other than scum or miller. Giving the scum what basically amounts to a free mislynch like that isn't even Gastard, it's broken. Of course, that's assuming your telling the truth. While it seems unlikely(REALLY unlikely) that a scum would lie in that way, it's not completely out of the question. At this point of course, there's no reason to do anything other than go on the assumption that you're truthful. Vote: Dirx [/color][/quote] I have to comment here...let's say Ed does know who gave him the info, how would that be a benefit us? I mean if Dirx is scum then that still does not mean said person is not and bussed the guy and if he turns out to be town then said guy simply denies it and what then? lynch poor ed for someone else lying? Also if he knows who and then he says who the person is he would effectively be outing the person. Which to me is not good. the other thing that theoretically, even how unplausable but still theoretically possible could be is the person is a town cop but a paranoid mixed with amnesia one. Then not only does he not get the results but everyone or atleast a good chunk of the ones he investigates come up as scum. As I said really unplausable but still theoretically possible. So can someone please spell it out for me, cause I really am not getting how Ed knowing would matter or be a bennefit to us. Since it really does not say anything for who he is and who that other person really is. On the lynch or loose as posted by Dirx I would hope not but I supose if there is 5 then we could be if there is 2 kills tonight. since we have 13 left and 4-5 scum plus atleast one 3rd party/pfk that we know of so that leaves 7-8 town. However bill claimed vig so presumably his kill is no longer there. The other I would hope was a one shot, seeing as we had only 2 the night before and one was claimed as Bill's and last night it depends on how the kills go through, if they are like when I MOD, which is in order of who get's the PM to me first, then one of them may have been Bill before his death PM was sent. Another words Bill PM's first for one of them, followed by the other 2 killers, one of them for Bill . So it maybe plausable that we only have 1 kill from now on or the scum plus whom or what ever did the third kill. However if we do have 5 scum then I supose it is possible if the one we account for Bill but the other really is not a one shot but a full blown killer, then a loss of 2 with 5 left, could mean they win. Though i would like to think that is the worst case senario and not really probable. I am more thinking 4 Scum which would therefore mean lynch or loose tomorrow, providing 2 kills a night, if 1 kill, then lynch or loose the day after that, providing another miss lynch occurs tomorrow. Or 5 scum, with one kill tonight and then lynch or loose tomorrow. Who knows really though, this is just my thoughts and geuss on the situation.
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Day 3
Nov 16, 2009 7:56:35 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Nov 16, 2009 7:56:35 GMT -5
This is curious, isn't it?
We have a player who has not claimed himself, who is not confirmed in any way as Town. He is assuring us that it is certain that dirx is Scum, but he is being cagey about every single detail regarding the communication he received. We still don't even know whether he got a message from another player (whether via Mod or not) or directly received investigation results from the Mod as if he had done the investigation himself. These are two quite distinct entities. If this lynch goes badly, there is no one to hold responsible and there will be no useful vote record as there has been no useful discussion on the lynch itself.
And yet very large chunks of this group are taking the word of this player as absolute gospel, and voting dirx on nothing but his anonymous and untraceable information.
I'm withholding my vote for the moment. If Special Ed is Scum, then what a move this is! The Scum get to force a mislynch, and then we can't do jack about it, because hey, Ed was just passing along what he heard from a mysterious figure who may or may not be Town or even exist.
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Day 3
Nov 16, 2009 8:14:59 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Nov 16, 2009 8:14:59 GMT -5
I have to comment here...let's say Ed does know who gave him the info, how would that be a benefit us? I mean if Dirx is scum then that still does not mean said person is not and bussed the guy and if he turns out to be town then said guy simply denies it and what then? lynch poor ed for someone else lying? Also if he knows who and then he says who the person is he would effectively be outing the person. Which to me is not good. It would benefit us if it turns out that Dirx is scum and the person who gave Ed the info is on a fast track for a lynch. It creates a semi-confirmed detective, well if Ed is still alive. If Dirx is not scum we will certainly look very hard at Ed tomorrow. I agree with Nanook, if Ed is not lying about the info he received and Dirx is not scum then this is, for all intents and purposes, a gastard game.
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Day 3
Nov 16, 2009 8:55:16 GMT -5
Post by special on Nov 16, 2009 8:55:16 GMT -5
This is curious, isn't it? We have a player who has not claimed himself, who is not confirmed in any way as Town. He is assuring us that it is certain that dirx is Scum, but he is being cagey about every single detail regarding the communication he received. We still don't even know whether he got a message from another player (whether via Mod or not) or directly received investigation results from the Mod as if he had done the investigation himself. These are two quite distinct entities. If this lynch goes badly, there is no one to hold responsible and there will be no useful vote record as there has been no useful discussion on the lynch itself. And yet very large chunks of this group are taking the word of this player as absolute gospel, and voting dirx on nothing but his anonymous and untraceable information. I'm withholding my vote for the moment. If Special Ed is Scum, then what a move this is! The Scum get to force a mislynch, and then we can't do jack about it, because hey, Ed was just passing along what he heard from a mysterious figure who may or may not be Town or even exist. OK, I do understand the uncertainty. I can clarify how I got the information, but it won't do anything to reassure you that I'm telling the truth. However, I also don't see how my giving out this inforation will benefit the Scum. Paraphrasing to avoid ModAction, I found a piece of paper that had been printed off by the ship's main computer. It indicated that someone had run a DNA analysis on Dirx. It indicated that Dirx was a member of the Infiltration Team. It did not indicate who ran the DNA analysis. So, basically, I have the information. I assume whoever the investigator is did not get the inforamtion. I have no more idea than anyone else who the investigator is.
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