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Nov 16, 2009 8:59:00 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Nov 16, 2009 8:59:00 GMT -5
Or it could just be a very weird (gastard in effect if not in intention) interaction of powers, I suppose, but there's nothing we can do about that. Dirx's defense amounts to "we might be at LYLO tomorrow if you're wrong"; that's not exactly reassuring, especially as he's conveniently omitting any consideration that we may have dead Scum already AND assuming three more kills tonight, which is far from a given. It's not an honest defense.
Storyteller, you're trying way too hard. I don't see anything Ed can say to save himself tomorrow if Dirx is not Scum.
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Nov 16, 2009 9:07:47 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Nov 16, 2009 9:07:47 GMT -5
OK, I do understand the uncertainty. I can clarify how I got the information, but it won't do anything to reassure you that I'm telling the truth. However, I also don't see how my giving out this inforation will benefit the Scum. Paraphrasing to avoid ModAction, I found a piece of paper that had been printed off by the ship's main computer. It indicated that someone had run a DNA analysis on Dirx. It indicated that Dirx was a member of the Infiltration Team. It did not indicate who ran the DNA analysis. So, basically, I have the information. I assume whoever the investigator is did not get the inforamtion. I have no more idea than anyone else who the investigator is. vote dirxIt doesn't do anything to reassure me that you're telling the truth, no. But it does reassure me that you're not likely being deceived (barring real Gastardy, as the kids call it nowadays), which is enough. If dirx is Town, we're going to have to lynch you. If you and he are both Town... well, then we're hosed, but I no longer think that's a strong possibility.
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Nov 16, 2009 11:46:54 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Nov 16, 2009 11:46:54 GMT -5
This is going to be one of those Days where nothing happens, isn't it?
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Nov 16, 2009 12:08:39 GMT -5
Post by Dirx on Nov 16, 2009 12:08:39 GMT -5
<font style="font-size: 12px;">Or it could just be a very weird (gastard in effect if not in intention) interaction of powers, I suppose, but there's nothing we can do about that. Dirx's defense amounts to "we might be at LYLO tomorrow if you're wrong"; that's not exactly reassuring, especially as he's conveniently omitting any consideration that we may have dead Scum already AND assuming three more kills tonight, which is far from a given. It's not an honest defense. Storyteller, you're trying way too hard. I don't see anything Ed can say to save himself tomorrow if Dirx is not Scum. Well, that's not really my defense. I don't have any defense, except to say that Ed's information is wrong. I'd want to lynch me too, if I were in your shoes. As for the LYLO numbers, yes, I was wrong about the three kills--thank you for that, shaggy. But as for assuming no dead scum yet, I don't see what's so dishonest about that. Running LYLO numbers typically involves worst-case scenarios, yes? You can most likely afford a mislynch today, except in the absolute worst possible case (5 scum alive, as many as two kills Tonight), which I do think is unlikely. I just wanted you guys to think about the numbers yourselves, and make your own decisions about it. I don't believe there'd been any talk yet about remaining mislynches.
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Nov 16, 2009 12:32:16 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Nov 16, 2009 12:32:16 GMT -5
That's because it's Day 3. Sure, sometimes games can go fast, but even fast games don't end on Day 3/4 with 20 people at the start.
Yeah Story, this is definately going to be one of those quiet Days. Any Scum with half a brain would keep pretty quiet Today to avoid giving us any more information, and Town generally gets pretty quiet in situations like this. There really isn't anything that can be done about it though.
Shaggy, the reason knowing if he knew the name or not mattered was more for the late game. There was the possibility of confirming two people towards the end with Ed being able to back up the detective when said detective claims. It's a moot point however, since Ed states he doesn't know it. One interesting thing, you've twice now discussed how bad it would be if Ed outted the person. But no one was asking him to do so. Why did you bring it up?
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Nov 16, 2009 14:29:36 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Nov 16, 2009 14:29:36 GMT -5
There are currently 13 players left. What do we estimate for scum's numbers? Somewhere between 3 and 5 starting? I don't know if I've seen a 20+ player game with as few as three scum, but it's possible if they're fairly powerful. Anyway, my mislynch, plus three more kills Tonight (worst-case scenario), the numbers would be 6-3 (for 3 scum), 5-4 (for 4 scum), or 4-5 (for 5 scum). That leaves no mislynches for the first two scenarios, and a loss in the third (of course, this assumes max kills each Night, and that no scum have yet been killed). You speculate that a mislynch of you may end the game, albeit a worse case scenario. According to your figures that would require 5 scum and 3 kills tonight. There were 3 kills last night and BillMc had claimed vig. So, I'm looking at this from two sides, either BillMc was lying or not. I think shaggy has already addressed the side of BillMc not lying. However bill claimed vig so presumably his kill is no longer there. The other I would hope was a one shot, seeing as we had only 2 the night before and one was claimed as Bill's and last night it depends on how the kills go through, if they are like when I MOD, which is in order of who get's the PM to me first, then one of them may have been Bill before his death PM was sent. Another words Bill PM's first for one of them, followed by the other 2 killers, one of them for Bill . So it maybe plausable that we only have 1 kill from now on or the scum plus whom or what ever did the third kill. However if we do have 5 scum then I supose it is possible if the one we account for Bill but the other really is not a one shot but a full blown killer, then a loss of 2 with 5 left, could mean they win. Though i would like to think that is the worst case senario and not really probable. I am more thinking 4 Scum which would therefore mean lynch or loose tomorrow, providing 2 kills a night, if 1 kill, then lynch or loose the day after that, providing another miss lynch occurs tomorrow. Or 5 scum, with one kill tonight and then lynch or loose tomorrow. If BillMc was lying about being vig, I assume that he is scum or PFK. He had provided results which matched the info from today. If his role was only investigative, it wouldn't make sense for him to claim vig and be PFK, since he wouldn't be able to back up his claims with the dead. So, if he was lying, he either either exerts an influence on the possible number of scum in the game, or on the number of kills we can expect to see tonight. If he was a SK then I think that he figures into shaggy's numbers the same as if he was a vig. If he was scum then thats one less scum from however many we started with so even dirx's worst case numbers would be skewed to the point that we are not at lynch or lose. Dirx has claimed vanilla, and lynching him may be a miss step, but I think we have to confirm or refute the data that Ed got while we are still in a position to do so. Vote: dirx
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Nov 16, 2009 16:01:08 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Nov 16, 2009 16:01:08 GMT -5
Hey everyone, to comment on a few things. I have to comment here...let's say Ed does know who gave him the info, how would that be a benefit us? I mean if Dirx is scum then that still does not mean said person is not and bussed the guy and if he turns out to be town then said guy simply denies it and what then? lynch poor ed for someone else lying? Also if he knows who and then he says who the person is he would effectively be outing the person. Which to me is not good. It would benefit us if it turns out that Dirx is scum and the person who gave Ed the info is on a fast track for a lynch. It creates a semi-confirmed detective, well if Ed is still alive. If Dirx is not scum we will certainly look very hard at Ed tomorrow. I agree with Nanook, if Ed is not lying about the info he received and Dirx is not scum then this is, for all intents and purposes, a gastard game. Well yes I do agree that it would be verging on gastard since it is very improbable to have a scum role that can send info to anyone, to lie...However in mafia I have come to see there are so many wierd roles out there, so you never know. And in that case it would not be gastard since it would be the scum role not the mod technically...but yes I do agree the probability is out in left field, and it would be more likely if he ain't scum that ed would have explaining to do, a little, but hey you know me I am the one that over thinks and comes up with really out there ideas, some times...LOL Shaggy, the reason knowing if he knew the name or not mattered was more for the late game. There was the possibility of confirming two people towards the end with Ed being able to back up the detective when said detective claims. It's a moot point however, since Ed states he doesn't know it. One interesting thing, you've twice now discussed how bad it would be if Ed outted the person. But no one was asking him to do so. Why did you bring it up? I dunno why that is interesting considering I am not the only one to be having this discussion and bring it up: Ed - Do you know the identity of your Night messenger? PLEASE don't share it if you do, but the yes or no of it is potentially critical. and ed you and i never agree so listen to story. for fucks sake don't say where you got your information from. unless you go all peeksy and say it was via pm. I'll wait for answers to Story's questions, but we *do* get a flip on lynches. If this is a frame by Ed or someone else, we'll know. Well, that's the problem, isn't it? If Ed doesn't have a name for his mysterious visitor, and we lynch dirx and he's Town, who do we lynch in retribution? Ed? Well, he's just passing on information he received... or he's straight-up lying. Who knows? Can't tell. Even if he does have a name, though, if dirx comes up Town then whoever he names will almost certainly deny having told Ed anything at all. Then we have to choose between Ed and his visitor - not a great situation, because we basically risk two mislynches for the prices of finally tagging one Scum (which may come too late). This whole set-up has the feel of a Trojan Horse to me, but let's see what Ed says. Do you have a name, Ed? Yes, no, no comment? ed don't be obtuse. noone would even be remotely considering suggesting you provide a name on where the info is coming from, at least not me and not others do i think. Ed, you really don't see why knowing if you know who the results came from is useful information? I don't see a drawback to it, unless we start positing recruitment, and it has some potential upside at a later time. No one who spends more than 5 seconds thinking about it actually expects you to out the person if you do know the name, but that isn't what people are asking. So while yes there was no one saying give us a name, at the same time there has been discussion over him knowing the name and subsequently if he did depending on the outcome tomorrow maybe saying sometime down the road. Now since he has stated he does not know, this all really does not matter to much anymore. But the point is there has been 3 of us, that have had more then one post on saying it would not be good to say the name, so not sure why mine is the more intersting one. But hey just my thoughts on it.
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Day 3
Nov 16, 2009 16:03:28 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Nov 16, 2009 16:03:28 GMT -5
Vote Count
Current Status: dirx Lynch.
dirx(8)
--FCOD
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Nov 16, 2009 17:55:29 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Nov 16, 2009 17:55:29 GMT -5
Evening all. Having been suckered into an extra session of my D&D group, I put this on ice for a day or two. What an interesting can of worms opened up while I was away. Special Ed's self-admittedly tipsy post raises three questions. Is Mr. SE making this up out of whole cloth? - If he is, then why?
- If he is not, then who told Mr SE this, and are they lying?
I have seen a role where an investigator got to send his results to a third party; however, the third party was fixed (ie it was a specific player), and the investigator could still announce it themselves, if they so wished. I suppose it was insurance against the investigator being Nightkilled. That could be what is going on here; the investigator has been given an alternative route to announce his findings in case of his or her death. The mechanism by which the information was conveyed is at least plausible, so it may be worth (subject to review when more information comes to light) that Mr SE may be telling the truth. Additionally, the question "why would he lie?" rears its ugly head. With thirteen players left, we're probably too far away from a Pirate win for a gambit of this sort to be worthwhile. That is, for the Pirates to sacrifice a player at this stage, they must be expecting a huge positional or materiel advantage, something that they can build on to win the game. At this stage, Dirx would have to be a bomb of some kind, akin to Stanislaus in Undying War. All I can say about this is, if Dirx is some sort of bomb, a bit of warning would have been nice (NAF's role in Undying War, for example, gave warning of the terrorist plot.) When I saw Dirx's reply in D03.055, however, a small alarm bell rang in my head. I had to leave it until this evening, but it finally connected. Dirx's worst-case analysis not only contained a mistake (he ignored the effect of the claimed Vig's death in the calculations), it's also the sort of mistake that someone who was Bill's Pirate buddy might make. That is, if Bill was lying (and a Pirate), and Dirx knew this because he was also a Pirate, he (Dirx) might analyse the attrition rate based on three kills per Night because he knew that the number of kills had not fallen. The flaws in Dirx's analysis have been discussed, but to recap; - If Bill was what he claimed, ie a Passenger aligned Vig, there is every reason to suppose there will be only two deaths Tonight.
- If Bill was lying, and was in fact a serial killer, then there is every reason to suppose there will be only two deaths Tonight.
- If Bill was lying, and was in fact a Pirate, there may well be three kills Tonight, but the Town/Pirate split shifts one point in favour of Town in all three cases Dirx listed.
The first two cases differ only if the Vig can choose not to kill at Night. There is little difference between a compulsory Vig and an SK for this purpose. We'd wind up with ten players at the start of Day 4 and seven at the start of Day 5, meaning that the game will be over Tomorrow if there are now five Pirates and none get killed. A start of five Pirates and one SK in a 20 player game doesn't seem well balanced, and we would already be at LyLo if that were the case. Consequently I'm going to assume that we face four Pirates and one SK (modifying the principle I learned playing contract bridge in the sixth form). That is, at worst we'll lose at the Dawn of Day 5. If Bill was a Pirate, then there are now two or three Pirates out of 13. However there are likely still three kills per Night. Consequently we will wake up to none on Day 4 and six on Day 5. Again, at this point we lose. I'm not (in these cases) worried about losing to a SK, since the typical SK wincon is to be the last man standing. Thus, the SK becomes a concern only if the game gets down to the last three. Interestingly, I can't see the Pirates allowing that, as they might then lose at the very last. So the SK (if there is one) can be left to the Pirates to deal with, at least until Day 6. If there is a mad bomber, they can't win until Day 6 at the very earliest. So again, they can be left until then to deal with, and may the Pirates chicken first. Vote: Dirx .
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Day 3
Nov 16, 2009 18:21:20 GMT -5
Post by Dirx on Nov 16, 2009 18:21:20 GMT -5
Ok, I looked, but don't see where you're getting your information on a mad bomber's wincon. If you're guessing based on other games, you seem pretty sure in your above statement.
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Day 3
Nov 16, 2009 19:09:17 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Nov 16, 2009 19:09:17 GMT -5
Ok, I looked, but don't see where you're getting your information on a mad bomber's wincon. If you're guessing based on other games, you seem pretty sure in your above statement. A typical mad bomber can tag one player per Night. Thus, right now, if there were a mad bomber they'd have tagged two players, and this number increases by one per Night. A typical mad bomber wins when they have tagged all players currently alive. Thus, you have a slowly-growing number of tagged players in a shrinking pool. Assuming that none of the tagged players are killed, we currently have two in 13. This will rise to three in 10 on Day 4, and 4 in 7 on Day 5. In short, they can't win by Day 5. Now the bomber may need less than 100% of living players tagged, so maybe a win on Day 5 is possible, if everything goes in their favour. But it won't.
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Nov 16, 2009 19:27:38 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 16, 2009 19:27:38 GMT -5
couple of administrative items.
first it was 2.3 for a half marathon, 13.1 miles (i think this is equivalent to a liter and some kilometers with a hetare and parsec thrown in). still, she kicked ass.
sorry, nook that our schedules don't coincide. i have more time on the weekends than during the week. oh well, such is life. still won't stop my bellyaching. i mean, don't you folks realize that this is supposed to be about me. fcs, be flexible. back in a sec with some actual game observations.
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Day 3
Nov 16, 2009 19:43:31 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 16, 2009 19:43:31 GMT -5
ok, here's the deal in my land.
dirx has to go. if it's a scum gambit then fuck they deserve the win because it was brilliant. if not then we play on.
i appreciate ed's "honesty". it would have been better to get a player (NOT DISCLOSED TO THE REST OF US) because then we get some cross confirmability later. kind of like bonus points for him being truthful.
but i really have a problem with one player right now. i won't move my vote 'cause this looks to be sealed for toDay.
but story yaknow i just think you are going to be on the top of my hit parade going forward. dirx looks to be going down, and i agree. but i swear to goodness if you are what i think you are ....
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Day 3
Nov 16, 2009 19:45:18 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 16, 2009 19:45:18 GMT -5
uh, fuck. should have used preview.
crap, i didn't think the shit got that big.
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Nov 16, 2009 19:49:56 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 16, 2009 19:49:56 GMT -5
neta: preview one more time. on 2 it looked kind of wimpy. figured 12 seemed reasonable.
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Day 3
Nov 16, 2009 21:20:27 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Nov 16, 2009 21:20:27 GMT -5
Vote Dirxbut story yaknow i just think you are going to be on the top of my hit parade going forward. dirx looks to be going down, and i agree. but i swear to goodness if you are what i think you are .... Why exactly is story at the top of your list? What do you think he is?
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Nov 16, 2009 21:37:48 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 16, 2009 21:37:48 GMT -5
Vote Dirxbut story yaknow i just think you are going to be on the top of my hit parade going forward. dirx looks to be going down, and i agree. but i swear to goodness if you are what i think you are .... Why exactly is story at the top of your list? What do you think he is? kay. i'll round it up a little more fully depending on what in the world happens. but Day one lynch chuc even though he is convince she is town power just to get information. seriously, wtf. ok, you want information don't lynch a town power role. second, and please take this in the vein in which it is offered. come back from being away for a bit and then go down the holier than thou how can you lynch a lurker. especially when monday morning quarterbacking makes it look stupid. don't take this wrong but sometimes i feel real second class playing against him. i mean he is a hell of a lot better at this than i am but still i am not always wrong or the village idiot. and to a great extent that's how his posts feel, to me. and i go back to my original positing. if he is town, then how the fuck is he still alive. and the initial back away from ed and then vote feels like a reluctant scum busser. shit, i'll try to make some sense manana after i get a little sleep. but it will be in the evening. yeh, i probably should have saved this when we aren't already going down one path. and sure its a lollipop for him now. but what the hey, i try.
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Nov 16, 2009 22:56:09 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Nov 16, 2009 22:56:09 GMT -5
Sure, why not, let's do this. At least it's talking about something. but Day one lynch chuc even though he is convince she is town power just to get information. seriously, wtf. ok, you want information don't lynch a town power role. I've gone over the Chucara thing before, but to reiterate: I was confident that Chucara was a Town power role (I think he's a he, incidentally); I was confident, not certain. I believe that a no-lynch is almost always the worst thing that a Town can do. It leaves us with nothing, no results to show for an entire Day's work. If there had been a no-lynch, we would have whiled away Day Two arguing about him some more, and - particularly if the no-lynch had resulted from some action of Chucara himself - probably lynched him anyway, Day Two. Now had I been stone cold certain of his alignment, I might have calculated differently, but I have certainly been wrong on many, many, many occasions and may have been wrong about Chucara. So I wasn't going to allow a no-lynch. I think you'll find I've been consistent about opposition to a no-lynch dating back a fair number of games (I used to propose it, then saw it happen a few times and realized how much it sucks for Town). Anyway, that's my reasoning. If you don't find it compelling, you don't find it compelling. What can I say? Feh. I was away for a bit. Should I therefore have compounded the problem by coming back and being half-assed in my opinions? Nah. I hate lynching lurkers and I'd like to try to persuade others not to do it. Nothing holier-than-thou here; I recognize that people disagree and I think my exchange with Pleonast was respectful. If my tone was dickish, I apologize for that, but not for the opinion itself. OK, seriously, if I'm coming across that way, I really need to rethink the way I'm communicating. In game, out of game, that's not what I'm shooting for at all. I think it's sort of interesting, the way these games have evolved. They've gotten more polite. My first half-dozen games or so, we were all just sort of... shouting at one another. Everyone was really emphatic all the time. I think I've never lost that tone, even as the general mood has shifting. Fuck, have I been acting like a dick? Sorry if I have. But this is a bad argument, nonetheless. Here are seven possible reasons, just off the top of my head: 1. I'm not particularly good as Town, and I'm wrong about everything I've said, and the Scum want me alive to keep pushing on nphase because she's Town. 2. I'm actually right about everything I've said, and the Scum don't want to kill me because then suspicion might fall on nphase. 3. The Scum consider me an unlikely choice for a power role, particularly when we've had power roles claiming out the wazoo for two Days. 4. The Scum consider it possible that I will be protected by a hypothetical Doctor. 5. I have in fact been protected, or an attempt at killing me has been blocked or redirected. 6. I am Scummy Scum. 7. I have some resistance to Night kills. I mean, look, Pleonast is like five times smarter than I am at this game. Why are you not questioning his continued survival? I can see where it might look that way. But it's not. Again, I don't know what else to say. I don't know why everyone was so eager to accept Ed's claims without examining them, but I'm not going to consider it anti-Town to ask some questions first.
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Nov 17, 2009 9:53:59 GMT -5
Post by CatInASuit on Nov 17, 2009 9:53:59 GMT -5
Seeing as toDay is quiet and my internet access at night for this week will be limited, does anyone have a problem with ending Day early?
As in tomorrow GMT Midday. ie moving Dusk up by 8 hours.
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Nov 17, 2009 11:12:50 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Nov 17, 2009 11:12:50 GMT -5
No, I have no problem with that.
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Nov 17, 2009 11:45:29 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Nov 17, 2009 11:45:29 GMT -5
Catching up and responding as I read... BillMc has been killed in an explosion pedescribe was impaled Natlaw was garotted Sister Coyote had been registered as a Passenger and famous Xenobiologist Guy Incognito was not a Passenger or part of the Infiltration Team but a Serving Droid. Finally, we get certain information. Bill is not lying, and now dead, unfortunately. Hopefully whichever of the latest kills he was responsible for is scum (I'm guessing ped). Sister was also telling the truth. Based on the fact that we had three deaths last Night, I think it makes it more likely that she was the victim of a third party, rather than the scum. Although some people dislike discussing who killed who, I think it's important, since it can help us track down a third-party killer. I think Bill was the likely scum victim. I can't see why a third-party killer would take out a Vig, since a third-party killer wants to get to end game as quickly as possible and doesn't care who is dead. ped is an unlikely scum target, because either he was scum or he was a likely lynch candidate, thus a probable Vig kill. Natlaw, I'm not about, but by process of elimination is the likely third-party kill. I am not an investigator. However, one of our investigators seems to be able to feed his results to someone else. I received information that Dirx is a member of the Infiltration Team. More time to post when I'm not tipsy oh, and Vote: Dirx This is either a bold bid to eliminate a player or a truthful claim. Either way, it's testable, so I see no reason not to vote DirxWell, that's the problem, isn't it? If Ed doesn't have a name for his mysterious visitor, and we lynch dirx and he's Town, who do we lynch in retribution? Ed? Well, he's just passing on information he received... or he's straight-up lying. Who knows? Can't tell. Even if he does have a name, though, if dirx comes up Town then whoever he names will almost certainly deny having told Ed anything at all. Then we have to choose between Ed and his visitor - not a great situation, because we basically risk two mislynches for the prices of finally tagging one Scum (which may come too late). This whole set-up has the feel of a Trojan Horse to me, but let's see what Ed says. If Dirx comes back town, I'm strongly inclined to lynch Ed. Yes, Ed claims someone else gave him the information, but if Dirx is town, then Ed will be a proven liar. That is, he doesn't get a chance to fool us twice. This is curious, isn't it? We have a player who has not claimed himself, who is not confirmed in any way as Town. He is assuring us that it is certain that dirx is Scum, but he is being cagey about every single detail regarding the communication he received. We still don't even know whether he got a message from another player (whether via Mod or not) or directly received investigation results from the Mod as if he had done the investigation himself. These are two quite distinct entities. If this lynch goes badly, there is no one to hold responsible and there will be no useful vote record as there has been no useful discussion on the lynch itself. And yet very large chunks of this group are taking the word of this player as absolute gospel, and voting dirx on nothing but his anonymous and untraceable information. I'm withholding my vote for the moment. If Special Ed is Scum, then what a move this is! The Scum get to force a mislynch, and then we can't do jack about it, because hey, Ed was just passing along what he heard from a mysterious figure who may or may not be Town or even exist. I'm not sure what you're concerned about. We have a testable claim. We test it, and if the claimer was false, we lynch him next. By what kind of logic would you let a liar escape a lynch with more lies? Feh. I was away for a bit. Should I therefore have compounded the problem by coming back and being half-assed in my opinions? Nah. I hate lynching lurkers and I'd like to try to persuade others not to do it. Nothing holier-than-thou here; I recognize that people disagree and I think my exchange with Pleonast was respectful. If my tone was dickish, I apologize for that, but not for the opinion itself. Well I think your tone was fine and our disagreement productive. I agree with story. It's always tricky playing Mafia when you have a reputation for being "good" (note my actual win-loss record, though)--you either get Night-killed quick or you get suspicion for being alive. But lynching a player for playing smart and still being alive is the height of stupidity. As for why we haven't been killed yet--beyond all the points story made, scum need to be unpredictable. Targeting the "good" players means the pro-Town power roles can better use their powers (protectors, watchers, etc). Seeing as toDay is quiet and my internet access at night for this week will be limited, does anyone have a problem with ending Day early? As in tomorrow GMT Midday. ie moving Dusk up by 8 hours. Yes, I have a problem with it! Asking the players who've been active up to the current point is a poor way to decide if you should hurry the Day. Of course, they are happy to speed it up, they've had a chance to contribute. It's us slowpokes who need the extra time.
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Day 3
Nov 17, 2009 12:15:18 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Nov 17, 2009 12:15:18 GMT -5
This game isn't as critical at the moment as the other ones I'm in, but I may as well post here too: I'm feeling pretty sick the last few hours, not sure when I'll be up to thinking straight again.
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Day 3
Nov 17, 2009 14:36:00 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Nov 17, 2009 14:36:00 GMT -5
I had a couple of thoughts on Peeker's supicion of Storyteller. but Day one lynch chuc even though he is convince she is town power just to get information. seriously, wtf. ok, you want information don't lynch a town power role.
second, and please take this in the vein in which it is offered. come back from being away for a bit and then go down the holier than thou how can you lynch a lurker. especially when monday morning quarterbacking makes it look stupid. Which is more important in the early game? Generating information or preserving a power role? The answer has to be "That depends on whether we gain more information now by allowing the lynch, or whether by letting the player live we gain more information over the next few turns." Power roles don't win the game for Town; the town's brains do. In a tossup between the Day 1 lynch of a claimed Politician or no lynch, the politician lynch would win every time (unless I'm the politician. ) Cover. If the Pirates go down the route of hitting all the perceived "Best Players" who aren't Pirates themselves, the fact that one of these Best Players has been left alive past day 3 or 4 would stick out like a sore thumb, and point accusing fingers straight at the ones still alive. This was actually a reason why Blaster Master (I think it was BlaM) lasted so long in the original Pirates game aboard the Good Ship Hispaniola. He was left alive because one of the major players in that game was a Pirate. Also, even cold-hearted killers like the Pirates can feel sorry for a guy who got killed out by his own ally Night 1 of the previous game.
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Day 3
Nov 17, 2009 16:00:43 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Nov 17, 2009 16:00:43 GMT -5
Vote Count
Current Status: dirx Lynch.
dirx(11)
--FCOD
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Day 3
Nov 17, 2009 19:20:04 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 17, 2009 19:20:04 GMT -5
fair enough.
i'll close this chapter with:
i still don't agree with your observations about chuc. i have not gone back to reference specific posts but i believe part of your argument was that her/his alignment needed to be town for balance. so the lynch still no makey sense.
ok, let's agree to disagree on ltl. i feel really bad since it feels like my vote was the initial ltl and then it just kind of steamrolled. bad, peek, bad.
and you are right this game has morphed a touch. however, it seems to me that we sometimes run off some folks just because we can get so "heated". i still think separate "divisions" makes some sort of sense.
and you are not a dick. you just play this way diferently than i do. fuck, fastow was a better accountant than me and he is in jail.
re: pleo yep. he's scary good as well. trouble is he hits the inside straight on the river whereas you seem to have the nuts on the flop.
meh, my two cents.
can we just fucking lynch dirx and move onward?
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Day 3
Nov 17, 2009 19:30:44 GMT -5
Post by special on Nov 17, 2009 19:30:44 GMT -5
I probably should have held my information until later in the Day so as to not stall discussion.
I just had the information and wanted to share it. I'll know better for next game.
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Day 3
Nov 17, 2009 19:46:07 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 17, 2009 19:46:07 GMT -5
Power roles don't win the game for Town; the town's brains do. this made me giggle. i don't think i have ever lost as town. must be the peekspeak or my kreskin capabilties. don't worry about it abe, that was the real discussion killer.
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Day 3
Nov 17, 2009 20:17:32 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Nov 17, 2009 20:17:32 GMT -5
Seeing as toDay is quiet and my internet access at night for this week will be limited, does anyone have a problem with ending Day early?
As in tomorrow GMT Midday. ie moving Dusk up by 8 hours.
I do not mind. I probably should have held my information until later in the Day so as to not stall discussion. I just had the information and wanted to share it. I'll know better for next game. But then we all would be "why did you wait? you should have said right away." "How pro-town is it to sit on the info for a while?" Kinda a loose loose situation, do you go early and let it be known but possibly get a more focussed discussion or late and then get flack for waiting. Plus I think the discussion was not stalled but focused and depending on the results at the end of the day and then the events of night, we still can possibly get some insight into things. How people reacted to the info, how they used said info, ect. Yes focus on one thing tends to get blinders to others and be bad but it does not always have to be that way in the long run.
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Day 3
Nov 17, 2009 20:53:50 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Nov 17, 2009 20:53:50 GMT -5
You mean "lose-lose situation". "Loose" means "not tight".
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Day 3
Nov 17, 2009 23:26:43 GMT -5
Post by Dirx on Nov 17, 2009 23:26:43 GMT -5
Hey, a 'last request,' if I may... Be gentle with my lynch. It's my first time.
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