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Day 4
Nov 20, 2009 11:17:31 GMT -5
Post by CatInASuit on Nov 20, 2009 11:17:31 GMT -5
A small celebration took place in one of the bars, with the placing in stasis of one of the Infiltration Team. But it did not feel so good, knowing that some of those among the survivors were team mates of the one now firmly locked away.
The tension still continued as people left to sleep hoping that the corner had been turned. They were wrong.
Another Night, another alert as a second explosion rocked the ship, this one bigger than before. Warning alarms were sounded as a fire started but was just as quickly put out by the automated systems.
As the survivors rushed to see where it had come from. Kat's cabin had been turned apart in the fireblast and only the bare remains of her charred skeleton could be found. That was not the only shocking sight, for not far away just down the corridor, the scorched body of MHaye was also found. Caught in the blast, his body burned and twisted from the flame and shrapnel from the explosion.
From the group came the sound of someone being violently ill, following by the screaming agony of someone whose body was ripping itself apart. As everyone stepped back apace, nphase was foaming at the mouth and went into spasm. A few convulsive movements and she moved no more.
Yet again, it had been a deadly Night
Kat has been killed in an explosion MHaye was also killed in the explosion nphase was poisoned
The news from the Central Computer brought no relief from the terrible Night
BillMc had been registered as a Passenger and an Ambassador on the space liner. pedescribe had been registered as a Passenger and was a Photographer on board. Natlaw had been registered as a Passenger and was a Journalist covering the event.
Things were looking bleak indeed.
Day 4 begins now. It will end on Wednesday 25th November at 20:00 GMT
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Day 4
Nov 20, 2009 11:30:27 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Nov 20, 2009 11:30:27 GMT -5
Ah well, it was a fun Game while I lasted.
Go my team!
(You'll have to wait and see who that is.)
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Day 4
Nov 20, 2009 12:30:32 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Nov 20, 2009 12:30:32 GMT -5
(I thought it was still a couple of hours to Dawn. *cry*)
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Day 4
Nov 20, 2009 13:51:01 GMT -5
Post by special on Nov 20, 2009 13:51:01 GMT -5
oh this sucks.
Did anyone get any investigative results? Hopefully our investigator isn't dead, and if so, they were able to pass on their results.
Also, hopefully the receiptient isn't Scum or dead.
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Day 4
Nov 20, 2009 13:52:39 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Nov 20, 2009 13:52:39 GMT -5
I finally have some free time, so I'm going to take a look at last Night's results and then try an analysis on who's left. Kat: a claimed Mason, and without a counter-claim, I'm confident she was truthful. My guess is that she was the scum victim. At least when alignment result comes back, we'll have a no-doubt confirmed player with Squid (please come back and help out!). MHaye: no claim, if I recall. No way to know who killed him or why. Too bad he didn't post his later Day analysis before Dawn. (I'm assuming the moderator wasn't misleading us when he said color is just color, since otherwise I'd assume these two deaths were connected.) nphase: no claim, if I recall. He was under some heat from a couple players. Seems unlikely to be a scum target. I'm not sure what to think of the two extra kills. Was Kat some sort of strong-arm Mason who took out her killer? In the worst case, we're in deep trouble if scum were responsible for all the kills. I think the best case, MHaye was scum who was killed by Kat, and nphase was hit by some non-scum killer. All three dead from Night Two are confirmed town. Interesting and disappointing. Clever color that the Vigilante was an "ambassador". Diplomatic immunity. No surprise that Bill was telling the truth. Since he was probably killing the players he was most suspicious of, it's unlikely we'll get more leads from him. And ped is town. I'm not sure why he was playing so anti-town. Maybe he wanted to avoid being killed by scum, but he was killed nevertheless (I'm still guessing by our Vig). I'll assume that he was telling the truth about being blocked. That means there's a blocking role out there. Probably non-town, but we can't be certain. That is, I won't automatically presume someone claiming blocker is scum, although I think it's more likely. A pro-town blocking role is very valuable at end-game, so if you are a pro-town blocker, don't claim until you have to. And Natlaw was taken out, before he even had any results to report. I'm still unclear what the purpose of his power was. Maybe he got more information than what the mod is giving us (compare the lynch reveal to the Night-kill reveal). I think analyzing his posts has the potential to reveal the most. I'll get back with a player analysis, when I get a chance.
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Day 4
Nov 20, 2009 13:55:55 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Nov 20, 2009 13:55:55 GMT -5
I'm vaguely shocked by the continuing ridiculous body count. We might well be screwed just by the sheer mass of deaths, sort of like Town was in Smash Brothers. I have no idea how to stop it either.
With Kat dead and Boozy who the hell knows where, I think I had better claim now. I'm the last Mason. Don't ask me why the Masons in this game all took a powder, I wish I had an answer. I was going to claim the Day that Kat did, for the same reason she did, but she beat me to the punch. I probably wouldn't have played it the way she did though.
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Day 4
Nov 20, 2009 14:29:17 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Nov 20, 2009 14:29:17 GMT -5
Huh. Well, I guess I'll just table the case against nphase, then.
I suspect our investigative results died with Kat. If our investigator is looking to direct information to Town, Kat was a likely option, given that she was: (A) Almost certainly a Mason; and (B) Actually playing.
Boozy Squid really needs to get back in here, or we need to get a sub or something. Without him to confirm Nanook, we simply cannot classify Nanook as confirmed.
More in a bit.
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Day 4
Nov 20, 2009 14:33:01 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Nov 20, 2009 14:33:01 GMT -5
OMG, liike 3 dead? I was so not expecting that, with Bill gone. This ain't good at all.
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Day 4
Nov 20, 2009 14:35:42 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Nov 20, 2009 14:35:42 GMT -5
But while I'm here:
We might want to consider whether a mass role claim is in order. I'm not sure whether it is or it isn't, but in the worst case scenario... well, let's consider some possibilities:
1. Started with 5 scum, all 3 deaths last night were non-Scum: lynch or lose right now. 2. Started with 4 scum, all 3 deaths last night were non-Scum: will go to 5-3 toNight with a mislynch, which might mean the end of the game given how many deaths we've seen so far. 3. Started with 5 scum, 1 of 3 deaths last night was Scum: will go to 5-3 toNight with a mislynch; see above. 4. Started with 4 scum, 1 of 3 deaths last night was Scum: will go to 6-2 toNight with a mislynch - probably need to worry as much about whatever the deal is with the alien as we do about the Scum.
Conclusion: we might well be at lylo at this point. We can't know, based on the delayed card flip, but we might be.
A claim means outing the investigator. It also means either confirming the investigator, or getting a counterclaim and having something to discuss. If Boozy could get in here and confirm Nanook and we can have three confirmed Townies out of nine extant players... well, it might be worth doing.
Thoughts?
- we started with 5 scum, and none of the three dead unknowns is Scum - we are at lylo right now. Even in a slightly less horrific scenario - we started with four scum, but n
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Day 4
Nov 20, 2009 14:49:39 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 20, 2009 14:49:39 GMT -5
oh fuck the alien got story. i keed, i keed.
wow, what a lot of deaths. i have an idea but will not be back on till tonight. just thought i'd check in before hitting the road for a bit. i was kind of hoping that there would be some good news to reflect on but apparently that wishful thinking is shot to shit.
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Day 4
Nov 20, 2009 17:23:53 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 20, 2009 17:23:53 GMT -5
Huh. Well, I guess I'll just table the case against nphase, then. I suspect our investigative results died with Kat. If our investigator is looking to direct information to Town, Kat was a likely option, given that she was: (A) Almost certainly a Mason; and (B) Actually playing. Boozy Squid really needs to get back in here, or we need to get a sub or something. Without him to confirm Nanook, we simply cannot classify Nanook as confirmed. More in a bit. well that went quicker than expected. while i understand your cautiousness, story, i am going to somewhat disagree. i am inclined to give coca cola what us accountants would call negative assurance in regards to his claim. in auditing one can express an opinion that the statements are accurate. or one can express negative assurance. nothing has come to our attention to lead us to believe that the statements are not accurate. so i put coca cola in that latter group. sure, having kat flip mason and boozy showing up and going yep gives a hell of a lot of assurance. however, for toDay i am going to treat coca cola as confirmed town/mason until such contra evidence appears that would cause that to be an erroneous conclusion.
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Day 4
Nov 20, 2009 17:33:30 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 20, 2009 17:33:30 GMT -5
next point that came to me.
and i know we are not supposed to read too much in to color but, meh.
we have a broken neck an electrocution an explosion impaled strangled explosion explosion (back in a sec) poisoned.
what's interesting is that they are all over the board except for the explosion thingie.
also, looking at mhaye he was also killed in the explosion (i assume kat's). and once again i know we aren't supposed to put a lot of weight into color but i wonder if that means jack shit or if i am just vapor locking as usual
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Day 4
Nov 20, 2009 18:14:41 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Nov 20, 2009 18:14:41 GMT -5
I'm vaguely shocked by the continuing ridiculous body count. We might well be screwed just by the sheer mass of deaths, sort of like Town was in Smash Brothers. I have no idea how to stop it either. With Kat dead and Boozy who the hell knows where, I think I had better claim now. I'm the last Mason. Don't ask me why the Masons in this game all took a powder, I wish I had an answer. I was going to claim the Day that Kat did, for the same reason she did, but she beat me to the punch. I probably wouldn't have played it the way she did though. I know I'm not in this game, but I did not "take a powder" thank you very much. There was a good reason I had to sub out (it wasn't up to me). And this is neither confirming or denying the claim you made, this is just an aside since you subbed in for me and are implying I stopped playing the game. And ETA just because I can.
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Day 4
Nov 20, 2009 18:42:46 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 20, 2009 18:42:46 GMT -5
I'm vaguely shocked by the continuing ridiculous body count. We might well be screwed just by the sheer mass of deaths, sort of like Town was in Smash Brothers. I have no idea how to stop it either. With Kat dead and Boozy who the hell knows where, I think I had better claim now. I'm the last Mason. Don't ask me why the Masons in this game all took a powder, I wish I had an answer. I was going to claim the Day that Kat did, for the same reason she did, but she beat me to the punch. I probably wouldn't have played it the way she did though. I know I'm not in this game, but I did not "take a powder" thank you very much. There was a good reason I had to sub out (it wasn't up to me). And this is neither confirming or denying the claim you made, this is just an aside since you subbed in for me and are implying I stopped playing the game. And ETA just because I can. metagame observation i am now even more so inclined to believe coca cola. no way in hell that idle makes this post unless nookie is telling the truth. seriously, if nookie/idle is not what he says he is then fcs idle won't say jack because it creates too much attention. ipso fucto coca cola is mason and therefore so is kat and boozy. there's two for sure. let's go down the mass claim route. since nook is all but confirmed i'd suggest that he pull the order. 'cause i agree if we aren't at lylo we are damn close. but i am easily distracted don't yaknow and it's this kind of shit that i like to latch onto.
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Day 4
Nov 20, 2009 18:48:41 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 20, 2009 18:48:41 GMT -5
neta: there is no way idle interjects if coca cola is not town aligned. therefore, i have to believe his claim.
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Day 4
Nov 20, 2009 19:31:49 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Nov 20, 2009 19:31:49 GMT -5
Damn, this is why I hate Dawns in the middle of my work day. I don't find out for hours that I'm dead.
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Day 4
Nov 21, 2009 5:22:40 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Nov 21, 2009 5:22:40 GMT -5
1. Started with 5 scum, all 3 deaths last night were non-Scum: lynch or lose right now. 2. Started with 4 scum, all 3 deaths last night were non-Scum: will go to 5-3 toNight with a mislynch, which might mean the end of the game given how many deaths we've seen so far. 3. Started with 5 scum, 1 of 3 deaths last night was Scum: will go to 5-3 toNight with a mislynch; see above. For any of these scenarios a mass claim can't hurt, protecting the investigator is pointless in all these situations if we don't expect to see toMorrow if we mislynch today. 4. Started with 4 scum, 1 of 3 deaths last night was Scum: will go to 6-2 toNight with a mislynch - probably need to worry as much about whatever the deal is with the alien as we do about the Scum. This scenario and any more optimistic ones are where protecting the investigator's identity needs to be considered. And if we assume the same amount of deaths, there is no guarantee that the results will be available or useful. I don't think that staking the fate of the game on the confluence of events required to receive useful investigation results is a good idea. My only qualm about the mass claim is that I lack sufficient experience to gauge the likelihood of these scenarios. But considering the worst case possibilities, and barring significant changes to the data available now, I'm fine with a mass role claim.
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Day 4
Nov 21, 2009 10:25:05 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Nov 21, 2009 10:25:05 GMT -5
Hey everyone,
Well I am all fine with a mass claim, since at this point in the game we may just have more to lose by not then by doing so.
Do not get me wrong I usually am not a fan of mass claims but at the same time I do agree that there always comes a time in a game where one can be verry good for us.
However with that being said, I think it only works if atleast a majority of us, are all on board for it. I mean if only 3 of us, for example do, then it kinda falls flat.
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Day 4
Nov 21, 2009 11:17:10 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 21, 2009 11:17:10 GMT -5
Hey everyone, Well I am all fine with a mass claim, since at this point in the game we may just have more to lose by not then by doing so. Do not get me wrong I usually am not a fan of mass claims but at the same time I do agree that there always comes a time in a game where one can be verry good for us. However with that being said, I think it only works if atleast a majority of us, are all on board for it. I mean if only 3 of us, for example do, then it kinda falls flat. agreed. however, i would add that it does not need to be unanimous seeing that it doesn't appear that boozy is going to have a lot of helpful input at this time. if everyone but one or two say yea. then we go forward with it and lynch the non compliant ones (unless something in one of the claims really is nonsenical).
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Day 4
Nov 21, 2009 11:20:57 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 21, 2009 11:20:57 GMT -5
and if we go down this route it probably needs to start happening no later than monday. i won't be around for most of the rest of this day. my daughter is in a regional piano contest. i know this is not game related but it is so nice to have someone with talent playing piano pieces that are not just the standard fare. listening to some cool jazz and some joplin beats the heck out of the classical guys. not that they are bad just that its nice for a change of pace.
so knowing that this group is like herding cats we probably need to come to some sort of concensus before mid day monday.
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Day 4
Nov 21, 2009 11:26:35 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 21, 2009 11:26:35 GMT -5
oh, and just to play devil's advocate. if scum were provided cover roles this could end up being the crappiest idea i have ever gone along with. because i agree with you shaggy i typically don't agree with mass claims.
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Day 4
Nov 21, 2009 12:04:03 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Nov 21, 2009 12:04:03 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me in small words exactly what we gain by a mass claim.
kthnx
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Day 4
Nov 21, 2009 12:34:27 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 21, 2009 12:34:27 GMT -5
i can give you my definition. basically, someone (i proposed nook) will go ahead and put everyone in order. then one at a time we claim what we are in the order that is posted.
the only thing that can faux it up is if not enough time is allowed to give everyone a chance to claim with enough time in the Day to evaluate and discuss and then decide. or if someone goes missing and then doesn't claim at all or in the proper order. so it can be a little problematic based on schedules. some folks aren't around during certain times and then, of course, rl happens as well.
so in this case, with boozy awol he probably won't claim at all. and that's the problem with the delayed reveal. if we knew beyond a shadow of doubt that kat was a mason then that would basically cofirm him. also if boozy was around he would be able to confirm nook. however, in that absence it makes it a little more problematic. if for some reason someone in that chain is lying then we fuck ourselves because then everyone is outed. but you also have to weight risks and rewards. so is the risk that someone in that group is lying or that scum have been given cover roles or even to some extent that someone on the scum team may be durn good at writing up bullshit versus can we confirm some folks one way or the other.
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Day 4
Nov 21, 2009 13:27:17 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Nov 21, 2009 13:27:17 GMT -5
Hey everyone, Well I am all fine with a mass claim, since at this point in the game we may just have more to lose by not then by doing so. Do not get me wrong I usually am not a fan of mass claims but at the same time I do agree that there always comes a time in a game where one can be verry good for us. However with that being said, I think it only works if atleast a majority of us, are all on board for it. I mean if only 3 of us, for example do, then it kinda falls flat. agreed. however, i would add that it does not need to be unanimous seeing that it doesn't appear that boozy is going to have a lot of helpful input at this time. if everyone but one or two say yea. then we go forward with it and lynch the non compliant ones (unless something in one of the claims really is nonsenical). Well of coarse, that is why I said majority, not all. Because when have we had this discussion and not had atleast one out spoken person against it? Can someone explain to me in small words exactly what we gain by a mass claim. kthnx The bad part is we maybe outing certain power roles such as investigator but if we are now or a day off from lynch or lose, then it may not even matter. Since if we miss lynch, we possibly lose. Especially considering the nightly body count that keep's piling up. This is of coarse all in the realm of possibilities since we do not know for sure how many infiltrators we are dealing with. There could be any where from 3-5 left, hard to really say. We know for sure there is one dead, but we do not know for sure if last night there was any. So while I hope there was, I think we should plan for the worst and hope for the best. Another words plan that none are infiltrators but hope that one was. As for the possitives, the possible advantage of a mass claim at this point, once again providing we are at or near a lynch or lose situation maybe: 1) It would force scum to fake claim. Depending on the scum, one could use that as a refeance point to judge each player on such claims. Since the problem with fake claiming is roles that already are in the game, or have been. So by claiming we gain more info to then judge each other on. Ergo how believable your claim is, in referance to vote and post history. 2) That by claiming show's that ed really was not busing but truly was telling the truth, and therefore possibly semi-confirms the investigator that gave ed the info, as well as ed as not a person who BS'd yesterday and therefore eliminate the possibility for him busing...providing one of the dead is not the investigator of coarse. I do admit though that ed could still be an infiltrator that used getting the info to bus a fellow infiltrator and gain TC, but for now I would agree to let it be and look else where. 3) He/she may also have or know of someone who has additonal info, that can then lead to possibly semi-confirming even more people, potentially. Once again providing the info did not go to scum, and that the people investigated are not dead of coarse. I know big if's but it is atleast worth pondering over. 4) Depending on the scum and the fake claim they make, force a fake counter claim for some role, in which we once again have something more to go on and possibly help avoid a miss lynch. So as I said while I am usually not a fan of them, depending on whether we think we are right near lynch or lose, it may derive more imput to help us avoid a miss lynch and possibly losing the game. This is of coarse just geussing on possibilities, so hard to say for sure. But with those reasons, to me that says it is atleast worth possibly considering and the biggest ones to fear and not want to even consider it, would be in my opinion the infiltrators...after all they are the ones that need to come up with a lie/fake claim. As well as fear the possibility of having more then 2 semi-confirmed players. Since the biggest threat to them are multiple semi-confirmed players. And that therefore leads to a smaller pool for them to hide in, which is what we want, but they do not. But hey just my opinion here, could be and maybe wrong but it is what I am thinking.
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Day 4
Nov 21, 2009 17:29:30 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Nov 21, 2009 17:29:30 GMT -5
@ peeks: My question, because it appears you didn't read it correctly the first time: i can give you my definition. basically, someone (i proposed nook) will go ahead and put everyone in order. then one at a time we claim what we are in the order that is posted. the only thing that can faux it up is if not enough time is allowed to give everyone a chance to claim with enough time in the Day to evaluate and discuss and then decide. or if someone goes missing and then doesn't claim at all or in the proper order. so it can be a little problematic based on schedules. some folks aren't around during certain times and then, of course, rl happens as well. so in this case, with boozy awol he probably won't claim at all. and that's the problem with the delayed reveal. if we knew beyond a shadow of doubt that kat was a mason then that would basically cofirm him. also if boozy was around he would be able to confirm nook. however, in that absence it makes it a little more problematic. if for some reason someone in that chain is lying then we fuck ourselves because then everyone is outed. but you also have to weight risks and rewards. so is the risk that someone in that group is lying or that scum have been given cover roles or even to some extent that someone on the scum team may be durn good at writing up bullshit versus can we confirm some folks one way or the other. You've stated your method of lining us up for claiming but have not shown a single benefit it gives us. Yes, it would be nice if Boozy was around to confirm Nanook. That would be "the best of all possible worlds." If he comes back and Kat turns up town then Tomorrow at dawn we have two confirmed town. No need for anyone else to claim. Why do scum have to be "durn" good at writing up bullshit? We can't post pms so all they have to do is claim a role that hasn't shown up yet or even better claim to be a back-up of a dead role. I have no idea how this game is structured, do you? Scum probably have a better idea than any one else given that they already know each others roles.
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Day 4
Nov 21, 2009 17:58:27 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Nov 21, 2009 17:58:27 GMT -5
The bad part is we maybe outing certain power roles such as investigator but if we are now or a day off from lynch or lose, then it may not even matter. Since if we miss lynch, we possibly lose. Especially considering the nightly body count that keep's piling up. This is of coarse all in the realm of possibilities since we do not know for sure how many infiltrators we are dealing with. There could be any where from 3-5 left, hard to really say. We know for sure there is one dead, but we do not know for sure if last night there was any. So while I hope there was, I think we should plan for the worst and hope for the best. Another words plan that none are infiltrators but hope that one was. Are you seriously suggesting in a game with only 20 players that we could have started with 5 or 6 scum* AND at least two kills per night, delayed card-flip, scum role-blocker, scum strong man, delayed coroner, hobbled investigator? That is sooooo powerfully in scum favor we may as well give up now. That game is so stacked against town as to be unforgivable. See my post to peeks above. Just thought of another ploy; "everyone I investigated, watched, acted on etc. is dead." Heh, actually happened to the investigator in the Princess Bride game. We know that the information that Ed supplied was correct already. The only thing the investigator could provide was that he did indeed investigate Dirx and the results went to Ed. Still says nothing about Ed's alignment. If the investigator has more information and thought it was important for town to know I would expect the investigator to claim without demanding a mass claim. Semi-confirmed players are potentially as much a threat to town as they are to scum. Actual confirmed players are a threat to scum. Final question to all those advocating for a mass claim: Have you even considered that you will be outing the Dr? Do you all think in a game this top heavy with night kills that there is no Doc in the game? *I assume you are including the alien in your potential scum numbers. If not 4-6 scum plus a PFK alien in a game this size is just silly.
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Day 4
Nov 21, 2009 20:13:29 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 21, 2009 20:13:29 GMT -5
otay. sorry steve read it as "mean". my bad.
everyone claim and therefore not town are exposed for the liars they are. personally, i've never liked it a ton but will go down that path if others decide. course i don't think i've ever been in this situation and not already claimed before, so meh.
i agree that shaggy's idea of 3 - 5 scum left is about assinine. maybe 2 - 3 scum and a third party is what it feels like. fuck, six starting scum and a third party, why would we even play, especially in light of the death toll.
i can also see your point about a cop coming forward and not endangering all of the other town power roles, if they exist. but that's where it comes to risk/reward. everyone plays that differently. that's why baskin robbins makes thirty one flavors.
and i think for town to have a chance a mass claim is the percentage play. but having said that i personally don't like it since it seems like it takes something away from the play. i've said already, and will do so again, i like playing this game. if i win that's cool, if not, meh. i mean i want to win but not at the expense of the game. that's why, personally, i'd be lynching boozy. he's not playing, not contributing, not doing jack shit. but i also think he is most likely a town mason. therefore, i won't go down that path because the people who want to win as opposed to play would have some sort of seizure.
but that's just my two cents. take it as you will.
is that at all close, 'cause you've been on my ass all game and osha regs require that your complaints get resolved or they go to the nlrb.
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Day 4
Nov 21, 2009 20:33:07 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Nov 21, 2009 20:33:07 GMT -5
Are you seriously suggesting in a game with only 20 players that we could have started with 5 or 6 scum* AND at least two kills per night, delayed card-flip, scum role-blocker, scum strong man, delayed coroner, hobbled investigator? That is sooooo powerfully in scum favor we may as well give up now. That game is so stacked against town as to be unforgivable. Actually I never suggested 5-6 scum to start but 4-6, because I have no idea...which it is plausable we had 4 to start or even 5 could be plausable depending on the balance and everything. We know that the information that Ed supplied was correct already. The only thing the investigator could provide was that he did indeed investigate Dirx and the results went to Ed. Still says nothing about Ed's alignment. True about specifically his alingment but right now all we really know was that Dirx was an infiltrator. We really do not know anything more then that. I am going along for now believing that ed was telling the truth but technically we reallly do not know, as I said he could have made the whole investigation up. Showing that he did not, yes does not directly tell us his alingment but doees help a little by telling us he was telling the truth. Which proving he tells the truth does give us atleast a small peek into his possible alignment. If the investigator has more information and thought it was important for town to know I would expect the investigator to claim without demanding a mass claim. Who is demanding? as far as I know we are tabling an idea for discussion. As I said it only works and all, if a majority of players sees it as a good idea and worth doing. So why are you saying I or anyone else is demanding when we are simply talking about it. Which makes me ask, why are you adverse to even talking about it? Is talking about it and discussing it, really that bad? If you are against it, fine fair enough but to say we are demanding we do it, is true. All we are doing is asking what you think and saying our opinion of the subject. Semi-confirmed players are potentially as much a threat to town as they are to scum. Actual confirmed players are a threat to scum. Not sure I follow you here...how are semi-confirmed a threat? Are not un-confirmed a threat to town, they are the ones the infiltrators use to hide in. So how are semi-confirmed? I mean semi-confirmed are well semi-confirmed and therefore a smaller pool for infiltrators to hide in. If we have more semi-confirmed then we have less people to look at for possibly being infiltrators. How is reducing the infiltrator hiding pool bad for us? As I said not following you here. And not wanting to semi-confirm anyone is kinda odd, especially since the only time anyone is truly "confirmed" to me is when they are dead or the MOD says they are town. Other wise they are not truly confirmed but maybe semi-confirmed. Final question to all those advocating for a mass claim: Have you even considered that you will be outing the Dr? Do you all think in a game this top heavy with night kills that there is no Doc in the game? *I assume you are including the alien in your potential scum numbers. If not 4-6 scum plus a PFK alien in a game this size is just silly. I did say outing roles would be the one of the not so good reasons but you need to compare that to the good and decide which one out weighs the other. The pro's and the cons of the idea. But really the big question for me is why are you so adverse to talk about it? As I said no one is as you say, demanding anything, just trying to discuss the merit of it. Since as I said above and before, only if all went along would it even be a viable option. So for now this is simple discussions of possible things to do. Yet you seem pretty adverse to even discussing it...makes me wonder why? Is mass claims always bad? are there never ever a single time when they can be good in your opinion here?
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Day 4
Nov 21, 2009 20:53:08 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 21, 2009 20:53:08 GMT -5
the alien might not want to talk about a mass claim
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Day 4
Nov 21, 2009 20:54:30 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 21, 2009 20:54:30 GMT -5
neta: that just one hypothetical, for example.
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