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Feb 26, 2010 11:57:09 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Feb 26, 2010 11:57:09 GMT -5
Pede, I don't follow your counting. I made a 2 point vote on Mental, as did Luv. I don't see how Red can therefore have a 5 point vote. actually it would be a four pointer but hopefully it's just a mistake since he has all of you in position one. i don't even want to consider the possibilities if the count is correct.
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Feb 26, 2010 12:25:13 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on Feb 26, 2010 12:25:13 GMT -5
peeker, I'm not sure how you can call anyone a "clean noser" at this point in the game. To me, that's more a term that grows in importance over time. On Day One, the vast majority of people are going to be "clean nosers," so your vote on SC is essentially meaningless. Can you tell me who is being a "clean noser" and who isn't, and of those, why SC was the one worth voting for?
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Feb 26, 2010 12:29:21 GMT -5
Post by MentalGuy on Feb 26, 2010 12:29:21 GMT -5
Obviously, the vote count is wrong and I should have 4 points and paul should have 6.
Those of you who have 2 points votes against me: If you feel I am the player most worthy of being lynched, why are you only casting two point votes, when 3 point votes would tie me for the lead? Are you okay with paul being lynched instead of me? If I were to be lynched and turn up scum (I won't, but this is a thought exercise) how should other players view those two point votes? As honest votes against a scum player, or as votes that could have actually saved a scum by keeping him out of the lead?
Sister, this is some of what I meant by the dilution statement. How are those 2 point votes to be read and I think there is an opportunity for scum to muddle up the vote record.
Also, I realize I should have reiterated my case (actually, not so much a case, as my suspicions) of paul in my vote post. I am sorry I did not. I had explained my reasoning prior, though.
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Feb 26, 2010 12:46:27 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Feb 26, 2010 12:46:27 GMT -5
Pede, I don't follow your counting. I made a 2 point vote on Mental, as did Luv. I don't see how Red can therefore have a 5 point vote. He doesn't, I messed up. Vote Count: Peeker 1., 2. Sis Coyote, 3. Mentalguy 1. paulwhoisaghost, 2., 3. Meeko 1., 2. mentalguy, 3. Redskeezix 1. paulwho..., 2., 3. Luvbfwc 1., 2. mentalguy, 3. Paulwhoisaghost (6): (Mentalguy 1st), (Redskeezix 1st) Mentalguy(4): (luvbfwc 2nd), (Meeko 2nd) Sis Coyote(2): (peeker 2nd)
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Feb 26, 2010 12:53:08 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Feb 26, 2010 12:53:08 GMT -5
This post is longer. But, I think it is a more coherent post from me, as of late. I apologize for not really stating my case in that post. What little case I had was made in post 80. It is mainly that it looks like paul could be setting scum up to get by with anti-Town play. I stated that people would be voting for all sorts of weak reasons, I did not say I faulted them for this. I believe weak reasons are all we have right now. As far as your five points: 1. I don't consider less than two days left in the Day to be early. 2. I did have a reason, it may not be a strong reason, but it was there. 3. My son has his district academic team tournament on Saturday. I will not be at home, and will not be able to use the internet during the tournament. I will probably be able to get online some in the morning. The afternoon will just depend on how late the tournament goes, which is out of my control. It is scheduled to end in time, but I have had enough experience to know there are always overtime matches, non-working buzzers that have to be replaced, etc. It is very likely I will not be able to be on before end of Day. 4. I do not necessarily want to force a claim, but I think one is inevitable. If it is the person I am voting for who winds up claiming, then I would like for it to happen in time for me to change my vote if I feel it is the best thing to do. I realize it could then move to my next vote recipient, but there are some things that are out of my control. 5. In getting the ball rolling, I meant that I wanted players to start casting votes and responding to them. I have already stated that I intend to have one single three point vote at any time because I feel that if everyone were to do that, the scum would have the least ability to game the vote. I don't see what the fact that I made a three point vote instead of a two point vote really has to do with anything if I am only going to make one vote anyway. If that is the player I would most like to have lynched, why would I not make it a three point vote? The points I made showed what I was thinking. I wonder if there is motivation here, let me vote to find out. I STILL find voting 3 points on day 1 to be a tad heavy handed. I wanted a vote that was a considerable response, not a slap on the wrist. If I am wrong on Day 1 then at least I didn't vote for all 3 points. On number 1 : Early is going to be a relative term. Being just the second player to make a vote in the game can be considered as early. On 2: On the reason for your vote. I will get to post 80 in a second. You mention 80 by number separately, let me get to it separately. On 3: I have to keep in mind that most people have Jobs. [Graduating in Dec 07 in Marketing, was not the best timing.] However there was still a vote, and the fact is, that action is all that matters. Not trying to smudge or anything of the sort, just saying that, that is exactly how it is, better or worse. On 4, and to address RedSkeezix as well : Voting on someone, just to have them claim, so you could unvote them later, after they have claimed seems sloppy. Is it good play to vote someone, just to get them to claim? In my opinion, this will only out a Town power role. Everyone else will claim VT. Since scum will probably claim VT, anyone claiming VT will not get unvoted. Town power role will evade the lynch, but will have a huge target on their back going into night. Do we want a dead town power role meeting us on start of day 2? On 5: Can't you respond to people, without having them make votes? People lose track of time, they forget to unvote, they forget to vote. Getting votes in the situation where we could get the same result with out them can not help town. Yes, town's weapon is the vote, but all of towns votes remain in the dark. With Borda especially, scum can co-ordinate their votes better than in standard games. Where would Cookies and I be if we had voted on each other? Cookies gets me back to your number 2. You mention post 80 as your reason to vote Paul. Here is what Paul said : This seems to be a pretty common train of thought concerning the Borda system. I disagree with it. By making ANY hard and fast rules about the voting we not only restrict ourselves from a potentially useful tool for Town, but also tell Scum exactly what to do to seem least scummy. Like I said, it's not the Scum that you are gonna see going against Town's wishes.... it's gonna be outspoken town. The Scum won't need to stress manipulating votes to lynch a Townie until later in the game. Again, in my opinion the Paul and Mental conversation has some comparisons to Meeko and Cookies. My "take home" from Cookies argument, is that wanting the game to be a different set up does not make it so. There is a limit to how much town can do to "fix" any game with brute force. Let us not forget that Mafia starts from being heavily sided with scum. That is what makes it a game, after all. In general, I understand what Paul is saying, and it clicks in with other attitudes that I and other players have mentioned. NAF mentions that there is nothing Town can do, that won't give scum a loophole. This is the better of the two arguments, that included my Squares and Rectangle argument. Note: I mean to suggest that NAF and I made the same argument, only his words were better. I do not oppose NAF here. I believe Paul's line over yours, Mental. I believe your reason to vote is wrong. It is with addition of this to the other points, that I am confident with a Day 1 vote. My vote is staying. ----- Skeezix : You have one post where you are against me because of my arguments. You have another where you apparently make a vote [essentially] because of, and in defense of me. It doesn't ping me, I'm just confused on where you are coming from here.
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Feb 26, 2010 12:54:40 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Feb 26, 2010 12:54:40 GMT -5
peeker, I'm not sure how you can call anyone a "clean noser" at this point in the game. To me, that's more a term that grows in importance over time. On Day One, the vast majority of people are going to be "clean nosers," so your vote on SC is essentially meaningless. Can you tell me who is being a "clean noser" and who isn't, and of those, why SC was the one worth voting for? well i don't want to offend anyone but this is reality. there are some folks that i have played with fairly often or have made a lasting impression one way of the other. and i guess since i "know" them for some reason they make a greater impression on me than some of the folks that i have never played with or infrequently. ed, cookies, bill and sis fall into this category. there are others as well (you are rapidly approaching this list). then there are folks that i "know" through non mafia stuff. i play poker at the dope with meeko and skeez so i also seem to notice them more than others as well ( mental guy is approaching this category). so when i see sis being a less rapier in her analysis than i am accustomed it just twigged me. so are there others that could fit into this category, probably. she just stood out to me.
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Feb 26, 2010 13:41:55 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Feb 26, 2010 13:41:55 GMT -5
Skeezix : You have one post where you are against me because of my arguments. You have another where you apparently make a vote [essentially] because of, and in defense of me. It doesn't ping me, I'm just confused on where you are coming from here. I think you are attributing to me a quality that is not quite right. I am against the points which I have questioned, in that I do not see them as particularly scummy behavior. That is how I hunt scum, I look for arguments made, votes cast, etc that do not fit with how I perceive the game and question them. Re: scum motivation, I generally look at a play and try to see how it could possibly benefit scum. If it is possible, then there exists scum motivation for doing it and it cannot be deemed innocuous. That does not guarantee the actor is scum, but before an action can be said to be contributory to a case against a player, it must have a possible scum motivation. Finally, don't confuse my vote for paul as a defense of you. My vote for paul is for his baiting. I can see no possible town motivation behind paul's comments to you, so that's where my vote lies. I am not feeling strongly either way with regards to your alignment.
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Feb 26, 2010 13:55:47 GMT -5
Post by special on Feb 26, 2010 13:55:47 GMT -5
Skeezix : You have one post where you are against me because of my arguments. You have another where you apparently make a vote [essentially] because of, and in defense of me. It doesn't ping me, I'm just confused on where you are coming from here. Meeko, with this comment to Red, I think you're falling into the thinking that a player is either "with you" or "against you." I don't know if you are Scum or Town or Other. So it's natural to question your arguments and question the arguments of others. As Town, we need to keep an open mind that any other player might be Town or Scum or Other and treat them accordingly. It means we might suspect them at the same time that we suspect someone who also suspects them. I think your grasp on the game is improving. I notice you looking for Scum motivations and questioning motives. Don't forget though, because of a lack of knowledge, Town is probably going to appear inconsistent especially early in the game.
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Feb 26, 2010 13:59:54 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on Feb 26, 2010 13:59:54 GMT -5
well i don't want to offend anyone but this is reality. there are some folks that i have played with fairly often or have made a lasting impression one way of the other. and i guess since i "know" them for some reason they make a greater impression on me than some of the folks that i have never played with or infrequently. ed, cookies, bill and sis fall into this category. there are others as well (you are rapidly approaching this list). then there are folks that i "know" through non mafia stuff. i play poker at the dope with meeko and skeez so i also seem to notice them more than others as well ( mental guy is approaching this category). so when i see sis being a less rapier in her analysis than i am accustomed it just twigged me. so are there others that could fit into this category, probably. she just stood out to me. So it's more of a meta-gamey reason than anything else? The reason I ask is mainly because I'm finding it difficult to sink my teeth into this game, so I've been lurking a bit more than I'm normally accustomed to. It's not keeping my nose clean as much as it is being completely unsure on how to get it dirty just yet. I also generally find it difficult to have any coherent analysis on Day One in general, especially since Day One of the last few games I've been in have pretty much involved "Should we lynch peeker?" It's actually kinda nice to see that not being the case in this one...although given that you've been Town every time this has happened, it probably means you're Scum now. Anyway, I'm rambling, but I was curious as to what you meant by clean-noser, since I thought maybe I could have been placed in that pile. Or the lurker pile, but I'm working on getting out of that one. Gonna try to get a vote down soon, but I'm actually going to be busy with RL stuff (company outing tonight) so I can't promise anything, especially since I see no really good case against anyone right now, and nothing so far that leads me to make my own. I'll try a re-read in a few hours and see if anything jumps out at me.
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Feb 26, 2010 14:05:12 GMT -5
Post by special on Feb 26, 2010 14:05:12 GMT -5
<font style="font-size: 12px;"> what are you confused about still? Mostly, I'm having trouble following the arguments about the voting, for example: <font style="font-size: 12px;">I meant to add on that last post, that I agree the Town's primary weapon is there vote. My concern is that by allowing multiple votes of different values you are diluting the power of that weapon. I'm not sure how b follows from a, in this comment. But I'll get there. I'm not ready to vote yet, but I'm bothered both by paul's swipe at Meeko (remember the game where Ed and Meeko were both Scum, and tried to use an argument to give one or the other or both Town cred?) and by mentalguy's vote without reason oh wait I gave a reason you just didn't see it. Sister, in the games I've played, it's been pointed out that I seem to have a natural tendency to go after you (as well as peeker , Dirx and Meeko). I'm trying to take time before posting and really think before questioning the players I seem to be biased against. But there's still something about your responses that I don't like. If you didn't understand something, I'd expect you to question it a little more. It makes me believe that either: a) you do understand it, but are trying to play dumb. (why? I have no idea) b) you don't understand it, but as a non-Town you don't care to understand it), or c) you're not really into policy discussions. (but I remember you really being into the lynch all liars discussion in another game...or is my memory faulty)
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Feb 26, 2010 14:10:56 GMT -5
Post by special on Feb 26, 2010 14:10:56 GMT -5
I don't see the point in making a 2nd place votes.
To Meeko, luv, and Sister, let me ask you this. If the deadline approached and the person you are voting for was just a vote or two behind, would you change your vote to a 3pt vote to push them ahead of someone else you obviously find less Scummy?
If so, do you think that late vote switch might not appear to be 'gaming the voting system' and if you are Town, wouldn't you want to avoid doing that?
If not, then are you willing to allow other players votes to be worth 150% of what your vote is worth?
Maybe I'm missing something, so can you please explain the reasoning again.
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Feb 26, 2010 14:12:42 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Feb 26, 2010 14:12:42 GMT -5
i play poker at the dope with meeko and skeez so i also seem to notice them more than others as well ( mental guy is approaching this category). Snipped. Peeker, I hope you don't mix chocolate and peanut butter here.Then again, given how I played poker last night, it would seem to be par for the course with my Mafia lately. But, seriously, there are different handles in Poker, than are in Mafia. A few might over lap, but I don't think it is worth it to spend that much time here. Poker goes by way too fast. An essential free roll for 90 minutes can not compare to a game that on average takes a month plus. If you can find the River in Mafia, let me know what it is. You would know more than most that I would use it against you. [There isn't one, and that is my point, No random deck to equalize the field.]
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Feb 26, 2010 14:19:33 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Feb 26, 2010 14:19:33 GMT -5
I don't see the point in making a 2nd place votes. Snip. Maybe I'm missing something, so can you please explain the reasoning again. It's Day 1.I am frankly reluctant to vote higher on a Day 1 vote. If we could all vote 2 points on Day 1, wouldn't it be the same if we all voted 3 ? Alternately, if we do lynch scum today, wouldn't it be a good data point to have for those who voted 3, over 2 today?
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Feb 26, 2010 14:32:51 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Feb 26, 2010 14:32:51 GMT -5
c) you're not really into policy discussions. (but I remember you really being into the lynch all liars discussion in another game...or is my memory faulty) This is probably the closest to what's going on here, though your memory is not faulty. I seldom get involved in policy discussions, though I can usually follow them a little better than I have so far this game, but I think by now my general feeling on Lynch All Liars is pretty well-established. That said, I just had an "aha" moment, thanks to your next post: To Meeko, luv, and Sister, let me ask you this. If the deadline approached and the person you are voting for was just a vote or two behind, would you change your vote to a 3pt vote to push them ahead of someone else you obviously find less Scummy? This is where the discussion of gaming the system begins to make sense. And I don't know what I'd do in that situation; I'll need to be in it before I make a decision what to do. But I'm not sure why you called me out, specifically, particularly since I don't have a vote yet.
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Feb 26, 2010 14:50:13 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Feb 26, 2010 14:50:13 GMT -5
Also, peeker? Inconsistent much? another game is another game. and on this board bringing up other stuff doesn't play real well. versus so when i see sis being a less rapier in her analysis than i am accustomed it just twigged me. so are there others that could fit into this category, probably. she just stood out to me. Vote: second vote peekercpa for being inconsistent on his stance about who should be voted for, when, and why. (thanks for the compliment, by the way.)
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Feb 26, 2010 14:51:54 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on Feb 26, 2010 14:51:54 GMT -5
I don't see the point in making a 2nd place votes. To Meeko, luv, and Sister, let me ask you this. If the deadline approached and the person you are voting for was just a vote or two behind, would you change your vote to a 3pt vote to push them ahead of someone else you obviously find less Scummy? If so, do you think that late vote switch might not appear to be 'gaming the voting system' and if you are Town, wouldn't you want to avoid doing that? If not, then are you willing to allow other players votes to be worth 150% of what your vote is worth? Maybe I'm missing something, so can you please explain the reasoning again. not that much reasoning here. I don't find mental very very scummy, just a slight ping. However rigth now I don't have much more ot go on. I do however hope to find someone more scummy, and they will get my 3 pt vote. When this happens - i will still leave my 2pt vote on Mental, unless I have found a more worthy home for it. If we were approaching a lynch, and someone i thought to be town was tied with Mental, then hell yes I would break the tie in the guy I favoureds benefit, explainign that that was what I was doing. If i got accused for such, so be it.
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Feb 26, 2010 14:58:14 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Feb 26, 2010 14:58:14 GMT -5
Is it just me or does this feel different from most Day 1s? I dunno, there's just something off so far.
One thing kinda jumped out at me from Meeko.
That last line specifically. Town really shouldn't be overly worried about that. 90% of games, you're going to mislynch, and almost certainly mislynch more than once. If you're Town, you can't be worried about "Does this dress make me look fat?" "Does this vote make me look scummy?" You have to worry about making solid cases and finding scum. Scum(and PFKs) on the other hand, very much do have to worry about whether or not a vote makes them look scummy.
Vote: First vote meeko
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Feb 26, 2010 15:00:40 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Feb 26, 2010 15:00:40 GMT -5
I think you have me confused with someone else, Meeko. I have not posted suspicions of Paul that refer to post 80.
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Feb 26, 2010 15:06:19 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Feb 26, 2010 15:06:19 GMT -5
For the people placing only 2pt votes for the people they find the most scummy, a hypothetical. Say there is a mislynch. They've been known to heppen from time to time. And some players placed 2pt votes on the lynched townie but no other votes elsewhere. Some players had 3pt votes on the lynched townie.
Are those who voted 3pts any more 'responsible' for the lynch than those who voted 2pts?
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Feb 26, 2010 15:07:36 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Feb 26, 2010 15:07:36 GMT -5
That should say the 3pt voters in my hypothetical also didn't place any other votes elsewhere.
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Feb 26, 2010 15:17:47 GMT -5
Post by special on Feb 26, 2010 15:17:47 GMT -5
I don't see the point in making a 2nd place votes. Snip. Maybe I'm missing something, so can you please explain the reasoning again. It's Day 1.I am frankly reluctant to vote higher on a Day 1 vote. If we could all vote 2 points on Day 1, wouldn't it be the same if we all voted 3 ? Alternately, if we do lynch scum today, wouldn't it be a good data point to have for those who voted 3, over 2 today? Um, the part you snipped was kinda the important part.
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Feb 26, 2010 15:19:20 GMT -5
Post by special on Feb 26, 2010 15:19:20 GMT -5
But I'm not sure why you called me out, specifically, particularly since I don't have a vote yet. ooops, my mistake. You were, at that point, the recipient of a 2pt vote, not the one who cast it.
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Feb 26, 2010 15:19:36 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Feb 26, 2010 15:19:36 GMT -5
Also, peeker? Inconsistent much? another game is another game. and on this board bringing up other stuff doesn't play real well. versus so when i see sis being a less rapier in her analysis than i am accustomed it just twigged me. so are there others that could fit into this category, probably. she just stood out to me. Vote: second vote peekercpa [/color] for being inconsistent on his stance about who should be voted for, when, and why. (thanks for the compliment, by the way.)[/quote] of for goodness sakes. snip or take out of context much. that quote was in relation to not holding grudges or letting frustrations with or in other games encroach into this one. i think it is perfectly natural to let past behavior and alignment color perceptions about current behavior and alignment. now having said, that it can not be in a vacuum. stuff happens and circumstances change (i could have been shooting heroin and didn't post much because i kept nodding off and now i've switched to meth so i am a touch antsy). and the reason i say not in a vacuum is because i (and i assume others) are constantly changing our approach and trying new strategies. the last couple of games i have come out of the woodwork with both guns blazing. it has resulted in my almost immediate lynch or NK. so i am trying to be a little more restrained in this one. of course, that may very well bite me in the butt as well the first time ed chimes in with kill peek he's being all nice and not dickish therefore he has to be scum.
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Feb 26, 2010 15:22:02 GMT -5
Post by special on Feb 26, 2010 15:22:02 GMT -5
Is it just me or does this feel different from most Day 1s? I dunno, there's just something off so far. One thing kinda jumped out at me from Meeko. That last line specifically. Town really shouldn't be overly worried about that. 90% of games, you're going to mislynch, and almost certainly mislynch more than once. If you're Town, you can't be worried about "Does this dress make me look fat?" "Does this vote make me look scummy?" You have to worry about making solid cases and finding scum. Scum(and PFKs) on the other hand, very much do have to worry about whether or not a vote makes them look scummy. Vote: First vote meeko [/color][/quote] I agree with this. But it's been Meeko's M.O. for every game to worry about his own premature demise more so than worrying about his side winning.
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Feb 26, 2010 15:50:01 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Feb 26, 2010 15:50:01 GMT -5
I am aware of that. But if we don't punish anti-Town play, especially on a Day like today where there isn't a whole lot of other things going on, then we're just giving scum a blank check to do whatever they want. I'm not willing to do that under the guise of "Oh it's just meeko being Meeko".
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Feb 26, 2010 15:53:00 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Feb 26, 2010 15:53:00 GMT -5
>< Is it possible to make it so that you don't see someone's posts? I think I might benefit from just not reading Meeko's. Meeko, do you have Asperger's? I only ask because you didn't seem to understand anything Cookies was saying, while I understood everything she was saying. I mean, she said she would eat her hoodie and it confused the shit out of you. Seriously, what exactly was the point of this post, especially the first paragraph? It's tangentially game related, and it looks a lot like baiting to me. (Which has been shown to be a valid scum strategy in other games). [colorblue] Vote: paulwhoisaghost (3 points) [/color][/quote] Wow.... seriously? I mean, the vote from Mental I accept. I think it is extremely weak for someone who is concerned about people casting weak votes.... but you vote... it's ridiculous. Especially because I later explained the reasoning for my post. Have you played with Meeko before? He gets out of control sometimes.... even a bit manic I would say... and it helps to kind of reel him back in. My post was my attempt to do so in a way that I knew would grab his attention. It had nothing to do with the game at all, just from one player to another. Funny though that out of all of my content posts, you chose one of the few that has nothing to do with the game to vote me on. In the meantime, while you have stated your opinion on mass claim and borda, you haven't really contributed to the game much. I've been sticking my neck out defending my opinion on borda, and you think I'm scum because I accused Meeko of having Aperger's? Or maybe it's something else about that post? Did I strike a nerve with you? Perhaps you have a loved one who has Asperger's and you took offense to my post? Whatever the case, linking that post to me being Scum is ridiculous. And you are wrong.
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Feb 26, 2010 16:16:48 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Feb 26, 2010 16:16:48 GMT -5
I don't see the point in making a 2nd place votes. Snip. Maybe I'm missing something, so can you please explain the reasoning again. It's Day 1.I am frankly reluctant to vote higher on a Day 1 vote. If we could all vote 2 points on Day 1, wouldn't it be the same if we all voted 3 ? Alternately, if we do lynch scum today, wouldn't it be a good data point to have for those who voted 3, over 2 today? ATTENTION ANYONE WITH ONLY A SECOND PLACE VOTE Maybe this will get across the point to you. Regardless of what Day it is, not using your strongest vote as your default vote is a weak move. You worry about casting multiple votes because it gives the scum a possible advantage, yet you blatantly overlook the fact that there is nothing stopping a scum from placing a 1st place vote to overpower your 2nd place vote. VOTING IS TOWN'S WEAPON. You are weakening that weapon by not using it to the same level that scum can. For example. Mental put me at 3 votes... Meeko is willing to vote Mental for said vote, but only gives him 2 votes. Thus leaving me as the lynch candidate. So really, if he thinks that Mental is scum because of his vote against me, then he just allowed Mental to get away with it. If Day had ended like that I would have been lynched and Mental's supposed scummy actions would have succeeded. But Day didn't end, I got another 3 votes from Red... and Mental got another 2 votes from luv. You guys are against Mentals actions, but I am now 2 votes ahead of him. If your votes were 1 place votes, we would be tied for the lead. The way things stand now, you remove my ability to cast a vote for who I think is most scummiest and tie my hands into voting for Mental in an act of self preservation. (Which I intend to do if I am still in the lead when we hit the 24 hour mark.) Do you see how your hesitance to vote 1st place can seriously alter the game? I'm not sure that Mental is scum... I don't see him as such... but I might have to vote him to save myself. Or maybe I won't... who knows, maybe he is more useful to Town than I am. Forcing my hand makes me decide whether I think that or not... and if I decide that I don't think he is, I force him into claiming and possibly exposing a mason, doc, or cop on Day 1. You need to stop looking it at as 2nd place votes are the standard vote and 1 place are more heavy handed. No. If you are going to place a single vote, it should be your 1st place vote. Think of that as your standard vote and the other 2 places being lesser votes.
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Day 1
Feb 26, 2010 16:24:07 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Feb 26, 2010 16:24:07 GMT -5
So as it stands, I believe that I am in 1st place, Mental in second, Meeko in third, and SisC in 4th. Time is running out and there are plenty of unseen votes. This is why waiting til later in the Day to vote sucks. It prevents the Town, who happen to be in the running for a lynch, from making educated decisions. Should I claim? Should I force someone else into 1st and essentially force them to claim? Do I just let myself get lynched in an effort to protect someone with a role more useful to Town? All of these things would be much clearer if I didn't have to worry about the people who haven't voted yet coming in and making the action I plan on taking fruitless.
So here's the deal... I've decided that because of the situation I am in I am gonna claim and then encourage Town to allow me to be lynched. Unless of course at the 24 hour mark I am no longer in the lead.
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Day 1
Feb 26, 2010 16:34:07 GMT -5
Post by MentalGuy on Feb 26, 2010 16:34:07 GMT -5
Based on paul's most recent post I am going to unvote him for the time being.
I don't have a lot of time at the moment, but I would like to get home and reread what has happened since I first placed my vote. I may revote him later, but I would rather not be forcing a claim with just 2 lousy votes.
Unvote paulwhoisaghost
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Feb 26, 2010 16:43:07 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Feb 26, 2010 16:43:07 GMT -5
Vote Count: Peeker 1., 2. Sis Coyote, 3. Mentalguy 1. paulwhoisaghost, 2., 3. Meeko 1., 2. mentalguy, 3. Redskeezix 1. paulwho..., 2., 3. Luvbfwc 1., 2. mentalguy, 3. Sister Coyote 1., 2. peekercpa, 3. Nanook 1. Meeko, 2., 3.
Mentalguy(4): (luvbfwc 2nd), (Meeko 2nd) Paulwhoisaghost (3): (Redskeezix 1st) Meeko(3): (Nanook 1st) Sis Coyote(2): (peeker 2nd) peekercpa(2): (Sis Coyote 2nd)
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