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Day 2
Mar 7, 2010 12:33:47 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Mar 7, 2010 12:33:47 GMT -5
Yeah, sorry, you would not believe the meatspace weekend I've had. I'm Merlon, I can look into a player's future and see what their death reveal will be. Unfortunately, due to meatspace issues (dead modem) I didn't send in my Night action last Night. So you're a cop who learns both role and alignment?
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Day 2
Mar 7, 2010 12:36:21 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Mar 7, 2010 12:36:21 GMT -5
That's one way of putting it, yes.
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Day 2
Mar 7, 2010 12:39:32 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Mar 7, 2010 12:39:32 GMT -5
so you are a cop that failed to send in a Night action.
blink.
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Day 2
Mar 7, 2010 12:42:29 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Mar 7, 2010 12:42:29 GMT -5
Believe me, Peek, I feel like an idiot about it. But I wanted to review the Day before I sent in my action and wasn't expecting to have no internet accessibility last weekend.
Screwed by faulty electronics.
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Day 2
Mar 7, 2010 12:44:41 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Mar 7, 2010 12:44:41 GMT -5
This is interesting. OK, in the spirit of full disclosure, I put this in because I thought it was interesting that red 'caught' fluid making a point before we had suspicion of red as a 3rd party mason. Then, when I went back and read it, I remember that I suspected red of being 3rd party/PFK solely on the 'win condition slip' Which may have been a genuine error on his part, but really really really looked like a slip in the moment. You don't go accusing someone on not having something in their role PM that you don't have in yours. It's really something that should be checked before posting, and I still suspect that red may be 3rd party. Can you clarify this further? Especially this phrase: "OK, in the spirit of full disclosure, I put this in because I thought it was interesting that red 'caught' fluid making a point before we had suspicion of red as a 3rd party mason" Who is we? Is that everyone who is not me? It's ambiguous. Also, you start with fluid's assertion that she thought I was a third party mason, and not just third party and end up with I think red is third party. I'm confused by this. This, of course, also means that if we get to the point where only 3rd party players are standing in the way of the Scum, the 3rd party players best move is to vote with the Scum and win the game that way. There are problems with this reasoning: 1. Total couldn't win by siding with scum. She was a lyncher. Now that we know that fox was town, she was a third party who was anti-town. 2. You are assuming that every third party is of the survivor type, I know that is not the case due to Total's win condition. 3. For that scenario to occur scum would either have to out themselves, or block vote. Which is only likely to happen at lylo and isn't that likely in any case. So yeah, the argument that a survivor will vote against town or even be presented with the opportunity doesn't hold much water for me.
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Day 2
Mar 7, 2010 12:45:51 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Mar 7, 2010 12:45:51 GMT -5
That's one way of putting it, yes. I feel like I'm channeling /b/ but PM or GTFO. Same goes for Inner. Who's claim slipped in and i didn't notice it.
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Day 2
Mar 7, 2010 12:47:54 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Mar 7, 2010 12:47:54 GMT -5
Can I ask...PM please? Cause I just have a hard time grappling with you had the ability to post 5 times in the night and yet not get the night action in. I mean this sounds kinda odd to me. Now I am the first to say usually that you do not risk lynching a cop and that is why i think I would feel far better with posting the PM, so I can get a better feel for the claim.
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Day 2
Mar 7, 2010 12:49:57 GMT -5
Post by Inner Stickler on Mar 7, 2010 12:49:57 GMT -5
Bowser (Paranoid Doc/Avenger)
When you first boarded this ship, you fully intended to use violence to further this group's aim. You're the King of the Koopas, and whoever stands in your way should cower in your shadow! But that was before. Before you saw the love of your life, Princess Peach. It was only a moment, as the two of you were swept through the crowd, but it seemed like an eternity. Now, violence would be foolish. If you attacked, you would run the risk of hurting your love, and that is a risk nothing is worth. So instead, you will guard. If you guard someone, your bulk and general intimidating figure will ensure no-one can attack them. But...anyone you guard will cower in fear as well. The intended effect, but rather annoying when you are trying to help.
Summary: Each Night, you may guard someone. That person won't be attacked, but he also won't be able to do anythign that Night.
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Day 2
Mar 7, 2010 12:54:01 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Mar 7, 2010 12:54:01 GMT -5
Inner, you forgot to edit the Avenger part out, I think.
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Day 2
Mar 7, 2010 12:54:30 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Mar 7, 2010 12:54:30 GMT -5
Merlon (Investigator)
Since the beginning of time, you have used all of your considerable powers to prevent apocalypses, which, for one who can read the future, are surprisingly common. You're too frail to go out and save the world yourself, but you have found the hero many a time, and given him what he needs to succeed.
And here you are again, out to prevent a monstrous disaster.
Fortunately, you can use your abilities to seek and destroy these villains. You can look into another world, to discover their identity, provided you have enough strenth.
Summary: Each Night, you can look into a player's future, and see what their death reveal will be.
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Day 2
Mar 7, 2010 12:54:57 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Mar 7, 2010 12:54:57 GMT -5
So right now I'm voting for IS. And it's pretty close between IS and SisC. The thing is though, I flat out don't believe SisC's role claim as posted so far. I can buy IS's. So it's time to switch.
Unvote: all Vote: 3 points SisC
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Day 2
Mar 7, 2010 12:59:28 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 7, 2010 12:59:28 GMT -5
This is interesting. OK, in the spirit of full disclosure, I put this in because I thought it was interesting that red 'caught' fluid making a point before we had suspicion of red as a 3rd party mason. Then, when I went back and read it, I remember that I suspected red of being 3rd party/PFK solely on the 'win condition slip' Which may have been a genuine error on his part, but really really really looked like a slip in the moment. You don't go accusing someone on not having something in their role PM that you don't have in yours. It's really something that should be checked before posting, and I still suspect that red may be 3rd party. Can you clarify this further? Especially this phrase: "OK, in the spirit of full disclosure, I put this in because I thought it was interesting that red 'caught' fluid making a point before we had suspicion of red as a 3rd party mason" Who is we? Is that everyone who is not me? It's ambiguous. Also, you start with fluid's assertion that she thought I was a third party mason, and not just third party and end up with I think red is third party. I'm confused by this. The 'We"is the players who are not you (and, well peeker I guess). When you made the comment about the WinCon not being in the Role PM, do you know what the first thing I did was? I checked my role PM. I found no Win Con. Then I checked the sample Role PM. No Win Con. Then I checked the rules. Win Cons for Town and Scum. See, I checked, and my initial thought was that you were 3rd party or PFK because you had a Win Con. I mean, who makes an accusation like that without checking first, right? So, you got some attention for that before your Mason claim. It made sense that you should. This, of course, also means that if we get to the point where only 3rd party players are standing in the way of the Scum, the 3rd party players best move is to vote with the Scum and win the game that way. There are problems with this reasoning: 1. Total couldn't win by siding with scum. She was a lyncher. Now that we know that fox was town, she was a third party who was anti-town. 2. You are assuming that every third party is of the survivor type, I know that is not the case due to Total's win condition. 3. For that scenario to occur scum would either have to out themselves, or block vote. Which is only likely to happen at lylo and isn't that likely in any case. So yeah, the argument that a survivor will vote against town or even be presented with the opportunity doesn't hold much water for me. These are Valid points you bring up, but they don't support leaving you alive to help Town. 1. Total needed to kill a Townie to win. 2. If you have other win conditions, they might even be worse than Total's, correct? They could even be PFK win conditions, correct? 3. I've seen late term games where a Survivor unilaterally attempts to push the Scum to a Win. You've already redacted a power from your claim, how am I to know that isn't a vote manipulation power? a killing power? both of these could be very useful were you to make it to late game. Now, you may actually be Town playing for a Town win. I'm not advocating lynching you right now. I just don't feel now is the time to trust you completely. There's a possibility you aren't on my side.
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Day 2
Mar 7, 2010 13:01:58 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Mar 7, 2010 13:01:58 GMT -5
I think they're both scum. All the purportedly town pm's that I have seen (mine, peek's, paul's) say
Name (Town whatever).
Other points: Inner's doesn't mention if he can or can't self protect. Strange for a paranoid doc, but not unheard of.
Role cop is a scummy role. It can be town, but it's one of limited use. This reads like fakin' it.
Unvote: all
Vote: Sister C 3pts Vote: Inner Stickler 2pts
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Day 2
Mar 7, 2010 13:02:46 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 7, 2010 13:02:46 GMT -5
um...hello...NEITHER of the role claims say:
Name (Town blah blah)
Does that seem out of whack to anyone? I mean, mine very clearly has Town as the first word in the parenthesis. Maybe it's not standard though..But I'm very very suspicious
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Day 2
Mar 7, 2010 13:04:28 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 7, 2010 13:04:28 GMT -5
sory, Red, crosspost.
I'd still put Inner first as "Avenger" sounds bad for me, but I'm OK with a Sister Lynch as well.
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Day 2
Mar 7, 2010 13:04:43 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Mar 7, 2010 13:04:43 GMT -5
Skeezix:
Plus in the past you've pulled the wool over on some really good players, so you carry your skill with you as a handicap.
Elaborate please? Related, who did I do this to? At first blush, this implies to me that I have more skill than the game gives me credit for.
Here I was thinking that my level of lying, or lack thereof, was the main thing holding me back. I would like to know what you are referring to here. I am willing to bet my interpretation of that event will be different from yours.
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Frankly, what good is a Cop, or any allignment at this point in the game? [Re: Coyote] I mean, at this rate, we won't have need for a cop by the end of Day 3.
Inner: I hope you didn't feel a need to claim on my behalf. I was blocked last night, and I told the game I was, already.
I still stick by my assumption that tonight is going to be a :
A funny thing happened to me on my way to the vigging
moment for me.
I hope I am correct.
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Day 2
Mar 7, 2010 13:04:55 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 7, 2010 13:04:55 GMT -5
NETA: sounds bad to me, but hey, it could be bad for me as well.
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Day 2
Mar 7, 2010 13:05:20 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Mar 7, 2010 13:05:20 GMT -5
NETA : What good is a cop of any alignment.
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Day 2
Mar 7, 2010 13:07:43 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Mar 7, 2010 13:07:43 GMT -5
Could the number of claims be regarded as Noise?
What does town do with the number of claims, and the information in them?
I mean, we can't take "good" v "bad" at face value, right? Didn't the first game have baddies as goodies?
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Day 2
Mar 7, 2010 13:08:03 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 7, 2010 13:08:03 GMT -5
NETA : What good is a cop of any alignment. Aignment Cops will get the alignment of a player, i.e., Town, Scum, 3rd Party, PFK I think this is very useful information.
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Day 2
Mar 7, 2010 13:11:27 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Mar 7, 2010 13:11:27 GMT -5
sory, Red, crosspost. I'd still put Inner first as "Avenger" sounds bad for me, but I'm OK with a Sister Lynch as well. Paul, I think you should shoot the avenger, it would cancel out your vanilla ness.
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Day 2
Mar 7, 2010 13:12:04 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Mar 7, 2010 13:12:04 GMT -5
Assuming Avenger is what I think it is.
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Day 2
Mar 7, 2010 13:20:33 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Mar 7, 2010 13:20:33 GMT -5
This has been spoilered because it would be better to do this oog. Meeko: Skeezix:Plus in the past you've pulled the wool over on some really good players, so you carry your skill with you as a handicap. Elaborate please? Related, who did I do this to? At first blush, this implies to me that I have more skill than the game gives me credit for. Here I was thinking that my level of lying, or lack thereof, was the main thing holding me back. I would like to know what you are referring to here. I am willing to bet my interpretation of that event will be different from yours. Um, Colorless mafia? You had alka and story sold on your towniness. So much so that alka would not accept any argument against you, and that any argument was a scum tell. He used my pressuring you in that game as an argument against me. Level of truth or lying is just a strategy decision, that every player must make for themselves. If you are telling the truth, expect to be called a liar, and mitigate the accusations through discussion. At this point I won't be discussing this any further. Simply because it is not directly relevant to this game. I would be more than happy to chat with you once the game has been concluded, if you would like further explanation.
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Day 2
Mar 7, 2010 13:22:00 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Mar 7, 2010 13:22:00 GMT -5
Wow this is so hard, I think the last you want to do is risk lynching a cop, but in this case there is so many things that just does not sit right with me. I mean you could post 5 times at night and yet not get a night action in. Or the fact that according to wikepedia...and please correct me here since I am not sure, was Merlin ever in a smash brothers game? I can find referance to paper mario games and I know for example disney mafia had kermit but stil seems strange to have a character in a game that is not in what the game is themed about. So I may seriously regret this but I think I am going to leave my vote. The big one for me is the 5 posts in the night thread and yet not being able to get an action in. How can you say you had no internet for the night time yet you did for the night posts?
I may regret this and bang my head off the wall, but I think I am going to keep my vote where it is. To many things just smell here and does not add up for me.
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Day 2
Mar 7, 2010 13:23:45 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Mar 7, 2010 13:23:45 GMT -5
Here's a good action for Paulwhoisaghost to take out the one we don't lynch. Are you on line Paul?
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Day 2
Mar 7, 2010 13:30:53 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Mar 7, 2010 13:30:53 GMT -5
NETA: ninja'd by Red.
FTR I think they are both scum. IS for the avenger oopsie and both for not having Town in their role description.
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Day 2
Mar 7, 2010 13:33:29 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Mar 7, 2010 13:33:29 GMT -5
Here's a good action for Paulwhoisaghost to take out the one we don't lynch. Are you on line Paul? I'm on my way out to lunch, so I think he should shoot the avenger. This is how I'm interpreting Avenger: A. Inner is town: Koopa kills whoever kills princess. (50/50 on whether this would be good or bad for town). B. Inner is scum: Koopa kills whoever kills him. If anyone thinks the role is different from what I think it might be, then feel free to say so and paul should then shoot the second in line.
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Day 2
Mar 7, 2010 13:33:38 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Mar 7, 2010 13:33:38 GMT -5
Or the fact that according to wikepedia...and please correct me here since I am not sure, was Merlin ever in a smash brothers game? There is a Merlon in Supper Mario.
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Day 2
Mar 7, 2010 13:46:56 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 7, 2010 13:46:56 GMT -5
Here's a good action for Paulwhoisaghost to take out the one we don't lynch. Are you on line Paul? Actually, since he'll kill first, we just lynch whoever he doesn't kill.
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Day 2
Mar 7, 2010 13:53:06 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Mar 7, 2010 13:53:06 GMT -5
Here's a good action for Paulwhoisaghost to take out the one we don't lynch. Are you on line Paul? Actually, since he'll kill first, we just lynch whoever he doesn't kill. Well yes, if you want to be particular.
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