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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 7:30:19 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Mar 4, 2010 7:30:19 GMT -5
So, very seriously, are we still just giving one vote per day, or are we filling out all three?
NAF 3 points Nanook 2 points Shaggy 1 points
Rather than try to make heads or tails of the highly likely town on town claim-mess out there, I think that Scum, and Third parties [We have offed 2 of them already] are hiding, lurking, or simply playing the noise to their advantage.
At the very least, placeholder / let's get a reaction votes.
Given today's events, I am glad with the outcome of my choice. I must Vig tonight, and I can only hope for a similar outcome.
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 7:37:45 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Mar 4, 2010 7:37:45 GMT -5
You could always use me to cancel out Meeko's kill tonight too. Paul, how do you mean this? I'm not sure which way you want this to go. I'm unlimited, half vig, half doc. 1. Unlimited 2. Half Doc You have told us you are a One shot Day Vig. I think I kinda outrank you here. [To be frankly honest] I don't follow, if you mean you want to kill me. Given the new information since my request, I withdraw any and all requests I had stated or implied that you Vig me.
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 8:19:58 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Mar 4, 2010 8:19:58 GMT -5
Alright, since paul's power is confirmable and makes more sense in the context of the game now. A one-shot day vig does not seem a breaking as the role was originally advertised. Time to move along to someone else.
Unvote: paulwhoisaghost
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 8:49:54 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on Mar 4, 2010 8:49:54 GMT -5
Meeko, paul is suggesting that he use his one Day vig toDay, and then you kill him toNight, since he's essentially vanilla and you will HAVE to kill.
While I think that's a good idea in theory, a smart Town roleblocker will probably be blocking you toNight.
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 10:58:13 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on Mar 4, 2010 10:58:13 GMT -5
You could always use me to cancel out Meeko's kill tonight too. Paul, how do you mean this? I'm not sure which way you want this to go. I'm unlimited, half vig, half doc. 1. Unlimited 2. Half Doc You have told us you are a One shot Day Vig. I think I kinda outrank you here. [To be frankly honest] I don't follow, if you mean you want to kill me. Given the new information since my request, I withdraw any and all requests I had stated or implied that you Vig me. Meeko, you are not yet close to confirmed. You say you have a kill tonight, OK that means you protected last night - who? Will that person know they were targeted? I am looking for a means to confirm you here. A kill will not go very far toward confirmation, as scum can night kill also.
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 11:24:21 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Mar 4, 2010 11:24:21 GMT -5
While I think that's a good idea in theory, a smart Town roleblocker will probably be blocking you toNight. Or a smart Scum redirector will be laying in wait to make him target someone else. Or both! Paul, now it seems to me that you're trying to get yourself lynched. And that bothers me. LAL (to me) applies to lies of commission, not omission, and I'm still trying to figure out how exactly you lied.
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 11:24:52 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Mar 4, 2010 11:24:52 GMT -5
Meeko, can we have your voting rationale, please?
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 11:40:33 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Mar 4, 2010 11:40:33 GMT -5
Luv : You are jumping the gun here. Yes, I have to kill tonight. That means that last night I protected someone.
My comment to that end was on the order of liking the outcome, based on today's events. It follows that I would enjoy a similar outcome tonight. I am willing to bet that the number of Town is still too great for town vigs.
But, if you want to fish here, and ask me point blank if I was blocked, then I guess I will have to tell you. I am willing to bet you would make your next move even if I stall completely.
I was blocked last night.
Let me anticipate your next move :
"Meeko says he was blocked. There is no way to tell if he is lying or not. My guess is that he is lying. Lynch the liar"
Am I close enough?
Drain : I have no problem with being blocked tonight. I have no half measure. I must Vig.
I would like to Vig Scum / Third Party
Short of that,
I would like to be Roleblocked.
Short of that,
I would like to vig a VT, a Quasi VT, or anyone who point blank asks me. [The last would be some fun intel at that point.]
Short of that, I would Vig Tom Scu......
Nah. I will look at the posts. I have Two days of information in front of me, not just the one. I wont need to randomize a shot.
I think tonight will be a "A funny thing happened to me on my way to my Vigging."
Paul, If you want me to off you , let me know.
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 11:42:01 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Mar 4, 2010 11:42:01 GMT -5
Meeko, can we have your voting rationale, please? Lynch the lurker.
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 11:54:48 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Mar 4, 2010 11:54:48 GMT -5
While I think that's a good idea in theory, a smart Town roleblocker will probably be blocking you toNight. Or a smart Scum redirector will be laying in wait to make him target someone else. Or both! Paul, now it seems to me that you're trying to get yourself lynched. And that bothers me. LAL (to me) applies to lies of commission, not omission, and I'm still trying to figure out how exactly you lied. I'm not necessarily trying to get myself lynched. As I said, I have one major thing to contribute to Town, a Day kill. After that I'm nilla. I was hoping to talk myself up and get scum to waste a kill on me, but I don't foresee that happening anymore. So, I offered myself to the lynch block because it gives us an out when nobody is pinging us enough to warrant lynching them. I still firmly believe this is an all powers game. So it would be far better for us to lynch a niller today than a potential town power role. Lynching aside though, I also offered that Meeko can use his mando vig tonight to take me out. That way, again, we lose a nilla instead of a potential town power. To me, sacrificing myself to prevent town from losing more than necessary is a valid strategy. Unvote: Red Skeezix
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 11:56:37 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Mar 4, 2010 11:56:37 GMT -5
Luv : You are jumping the gun here. Yes, I have to kill tonight. That means that last night I protected someone. My comment to that end was on the order of liking the outcome, based on today's events. It follows that I would enjoy a similar outcome tonight. I am willing to bet that the number of Town is still too great for town vigs. But, if you want to fish here, and ask me point blank if I was blocked, then I guess I will have to tell you. I am willing to bet you would make your next move even if I stall completely. I was blocked last night. Let me anticipate your next move :
"Meeko says he was blocked. There is no way to tell if he is lying or not. My guess is that he is lying. Lynch the liar" Am I close enough? Drain : I have no problem with being blocked tonight. I have no half measure. I must Vig. I would like to Vig Scum / Third Party Short of that, I would like to be Roleblocked. Short of that, I would like to vig a VT, a Quasi VT, or anyone who point blank asks me. [The last would be some fun intel at that point.] Short of that, I would Vig Tom Scu...... Nah. I will look at the posts. I have Two days of information in front of me, not just the one. I wont need to randomize a shot. I think tonight will be a "A funny thing happened to me on my way to my Vigging." Paul, If you want me to off you , let me know. You are being hyper-sensitive Meeko.... Luv seemed to just be attempting to remove a variable.... a valid move in my book because we are chock full of them right now.
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 12:35:06 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 4, 2010 12:35:06 GMT -5
@paul, I'm still confused as to why you felt the need to claim early and why you feel you must use your power early.
Your power is ideal for the following situations: 1. We have a claim/counterclaim. You can kill one of the claimants. We might get lucky and hit the Scum, otherwise we can lynch the other one, and we resolve the issue one Day earlier. 2. We have an outed Scum. It may be through an investigation, some sort of circumstantial evidence. Something. But we have someone who is going to get all the votes from everyone because the evidence against them is so strong. Normally, we'd lose a Day of real discussion and a Day of voting records. With you taking that person out, we can go ahead and discuss other things and not lose a Day of voting records.
@Red, I just wanted to remind you, that while you can probably be trusted to be a Mason, we have 2 things to keep in mind in regards to you. 1. The only mod-confirmed Mason was 3rd party. 2. You 'slipped' at first regarding paul's claim not having a WinCon. The only players who would need a WinCon are 3rd party/PFK
Those are 2 things which aren't that powerful on their own, but combined look very suspicious.
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 12:40:17 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Mar 4, 2010 12:40:17 GMT -5
ATTENTION[/size]
Sinjin is subbing in for NAF.
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 12:42:39 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Mar 4, 2010 12:42:39 GMT -5
Vote Count: Redskeezix: 1. Paul, 2., 3. Drainbead: 1., 2. paul, 3. peekercpa: 1. drain, 2. Ed, 3. paul Meeko: 1. NAF sinjin, 2. Nanook, 3. Shaggy
Paulwhoisaghost (6): (redskeezix 1st), (drainbead 2nd), (peekercpa 3rd) drainbead (3): (peekercpa 1st)
NAF sinjin (3): (Meeko 1st) Spec Ed (2): (peekercpa 2nd) Nanook (2): (Meeko 2nd) Shaggy (1): (Meeko 3rd)
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 13:08:29 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Mar 4, 2010 13:08:29 GMT -5
As soon as someone can tell me EXACTLY what to do with all this information, I will oblige. Meeko, you've asked this question twice now. Are you really just seeking advice or are you being affected by a game mechanic? --FCOD
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 13:14:24 GMT -5
Post by Dirx on Mar 4, 2010 13:14:24 GMT -5
paul
Mirroring Ed's questions and repeating my own from earlier Today: Why'd you say you were contemplating killing off Bill and/or Red on Day 1? Was that serious, or was that part of your plan to get scum (and everyone else) to think you had more than just the one kill?
If the former: Why blow it on Day 1?? If the latter: I can understand wanting scum to spend their kill on you after you spent your power and were basically vanilla. Very good idea. But I'm pretty sure you'd be dead in their sights as soon as you made your big honkin' FALCON PUNCH in the Day thread for everyone to see, so you could have just waited until a kill was better justified, instead of outing yourself so early.
Ok, so you claimed because you got heat for your reluctance to vote for Bill. I still think it was way too early (you could have at least waited until Day to see if you'd actually be under pressure of votes). But, ok, that's fair. So, why'd you not vote for Bill? You were afraid he was a bomb, and your vote wouldn't add anything anyway. If you were legitimately more suspicious of Red, I can see that, but hell, Bill claimed 3rd party serial killer. You said yourself that there's no reason to try and keep such a player alive. So you wanted to make sure that you wouldn't die on the off-chance Bill really was a bomb (and am I the only one who thought that concern was kinda ridiculous?). But you also said that you have reason to believe--based on the last game--that this is an all-power game. No vanillae.* So you considered your one-shot Day kill (powerful it may be), to be more important than the twelve other players already voting for Bill? More important than potential docs, cops, and who knows what else?
I would like some more insight into your actions.
*Shut up, I like that pluralization
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 13:27:09 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Mar 4, 2010 13:27:09 GMT -5
paulMirroring Ed's questions and repeating my own from earlier Today: Why'd you say you were contemplating killing off Bill and/or Red on Day 1? Was that serious, or was that part of your plan to get scum (and everyone else) to think you had more than just the one kill? If the former: Why blow it on Day 1?? If the latter: I can understand wanting scum to spend their kill on you after you spent your power and were basically vanilla. Very good idea. But I'm pretty sure you'd be dead in their sights as soon as you made your big honkin' FALCON PUNCH in the Day thread for everyone to see, so you could have just waited until a kill was better justified, instead of outing yourself so early. Ok, so you claimed because you got heat for your reluctance to vote for Bill. I still think it was way too early (you could have at least waited until Day to see if you'd actually be under pressure of votes). But, ok, that's fair. So, why'd you not vote for Bill? You were afraid he was a bomb, and your vote wouldn't add anything anyway. If you were legitimately more suspicious of Red, I can see that, but hell, Bill claimed 3rd party serial killer. You said yourself that there's no reason to try and keep such a player alive. So you wanted to make sure that you wouldn't die on the off-chance Bill really was a bomb (and am I the only one who thought that concern was kinda ridiculous?). But you also said that you have reason to believe--based on the last game--that this is an all-power game. No vanillae.* So you considered your one-shot Day kill (powerful it may be), to be more important than the twelve other players already voting for Bill? More important than potential docs, cops, and who knows what else? I would like some more insight into your actions. *Shut up, I like that pluralization Did you even read my posts? I already explained why I was contemplating targetting both of them. Bill because he was the vote leader and I feel a town vig should use their powers to do town's will. And Red because he pinged me the most. It's annoying having to repeat myself. As for the whole self-preservation bomb thing.... " Re: Night 1 « Reply #22 on Mar 1, 2010, 2:56pm » Peeker, at the end of Day you said this.... "and you don't want to risk yourself if he is a bomb? it doesn't take a fucking einstein to figure out that you are either scum or just outed yourself. so he needs to be gotten rid of but you don't want to get your hands dirty. this is a very poor attitude and play for a townie." Maybe you think it was poor play, I disagree. I don't remember if you played in the first game, but as Ed has already pointed out it was all powered game. I fully anticipate that this game would follow that theme. It doesn't make much sense to have a game on this theme with vanilla characters... especially following the precedence that the last game set. So lets suppose I am wrong, and that there are Nillas in this game. Meeko had already outed himself and you didn't say boo about his claim, why chime in about me not claiming but supposedly outing myself? Like I said, my reluctance to vote for Bill was not in any part to dodge accountability. I agreed he needed to die. I just didn't want to risk going down with him. So maybe that's selfish, and you can think that it wasn't in town's best interest. But you don't know the setup, so you don't know what roles everyone has. Each player should have considered the possibility that they would have died for their vote against Bill before voting for him. You say my refusal to throw my vote on top of the already massive number of votes was poor play, I would counter that anyone that is vital to town was playing fast and loose by taking the risk of doing so. Further more, my not voting for him provided the rest of you with something to hold me accountable for. I could have easily hidden in the masses and voted for Bill and left it at that, but I voted for Red. Whether or not my suspicions of Red are gonna pan out is yet to be seen, but i stand by my play. "
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 13:27:41 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Mar 4, 2010 13:27:41 GMT -5
Seriously.... if you're gonna repeatedly question me, you might want to actually read my posts.
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 13:47:09 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Mar 4, 2010 13:47:09 GMT -5
Vote Count: Redskeezix: 1. Paul, 2., 3. Drainbead: 1., 2. paul, 3. peekercpa: 1. drain, 2. Ed, 3. paul Meeko: 1. NAF sinjin, 2. Nanook, 3. Shaggy Paulwhoisaghost (6): (redskeezix 1st), (drainbead 2nd), (peekercpa 3rd) drainbead (3): (peekercpa 1st) NAF sinjin (3): (Meeko 1st) Spec Ed (2): (peekercpa 2nd) Nanook (2): (Meeko 2nd) Shaggy (1): (Meeko 3rd) I unvoted paulwhoisaghost in post 122 is this vote count correct?
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 13:55:01 GMT -5
Post by fluiddruid on Mar 4, 2010 13:55:01 GMT -5
unvote RedSkeezix
I'm willing to hold off on my vote for now but frankly, at this point, there are two points that make me think that you're 3rd party (a known 3rd party mason with you claiming another mason, most strongly, but also presuming a wincon in a role PM).
I reserve the right to re-vote for you Today if there is not a better candidate since I still consider you more likely third-party than not. However, it's worth not compromising a town mason by being prudent, and if you are a third-party mason, it's likely to come out sooner or later and further Total's already been lost, making you (in my consideration) a low-priority threat to Town.
Skeez said: Taken in context with the quote I was responding to, it makes it clear that I was referring to the wincon in the role PM, so I'm honestly a little baffled that you aren't on board with this. Unless this is a clumsy attempt to point me as some sort of third party that has no win condition, which makes no sense. But that's admittedly fairly unlikely.
Meeko said: My opinions on this have not changed. If you think someone is the best lynch candidate based on current info, you vote for them. Diluting this vote by placing additional votes, particularly without a very strong rationale for doing so (and, even worse, no rationale at all) is something I am considering as anti-Town. To clarify, I won't vote for people solely on this point but I will definitely be taking a very, very close look at their posts and would consider it as part of a lynch case. I appreciate that it is likely that some Town players will disagree with this but ultimately I can't see a logical reason to cast multiple votes barring really, really exceptional circumstances which have, so far, not yet occurred.
As for paul: being one-shot is fairly convenient, since obviously it makes us want to hold off using your power (and thus confirming you). Even presuming you are Town -- which, frankly, considering you've already misled us, isn't something I'm willing to concede to just yet -- you're a liability. I would figure that protective/redirector/roleblocker roles are largely, if not entirely, limited to Night, making the possibility you'll hit important town friendlies too high to risk.
I won't vote for you, though. Not yet. I need to re-read through day 1 and 2 before I'll have a solid opinion on a vote (barring any more unexpected development/claims, of course), and will try to do that today.
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 14:02:34 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Mar 4, 2010 14:02:34 GMT -5
Man that is a lot of shit going on. So many claims.
I'm more comfortable with Paul's claim now that it's a one shot power. I have to say though, you're paranoia about Bill being a bomb was pretty over the top. A scum bomb would have to be a moron to out himself that early, when there's no real indication of who they should hit. Remember, Bill didn't start piling up the major votes until he claimed to be a SK.
Those of you doubting Red's claim on the basis that he could be third party need to go re-read the rules. We've seen a third party Mason. Pede states that third parties will not steal the win in the rules. Therefore even if Red is Third Party, which I don't belive incidentally, he cannot be anti-Town unless this is a gastard game. I reject that possibility completely.
What exactly are you defining as lurker Meeko? NAF has been subbed out, and I was very active on Day 1. I'm suddenly a lurker because I was busy and couldn't post for a couple RL days? I think you're just putting me up there as a type of pseudo-OMGUS since I came after you on Day 1.
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 14:18:36 GMT -5
Post by Dirx on Mar 4, 2010 14:18:36 GMT -5
Seriously.... if you're gonna repeatedly question me, you might want to actually read my posts. I did read your posts. Would you like to try again at answering what I've asked twice now? Why did you feel it would be necessary or even remotely useful to use your power on Day 1, especially considering it was just a one-shot? Blow your only kill when suspicions are at their weakest? Your reasons for considering them as targets are OK, provided you're not using your only kill. As Ed pointed out, there are much better situations for a one-shot Day kill than "he pinged me the most." Bill would have been a good idea had it been early enough for everyone to unvote and find a better target before the Day ended, I agree. But, for a Day 1, it would have had to have been damn early, and he slipped pretty late in the Day. Regarding the bomb thing: I guess I'm just that confused that anyone honestly took that threat seriously. You really think your one kill is that important that you couldn't possibly risk it because of some hokey paranoia? Am I the hoplessly naive one for not worrying he was a bomb?
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 14:41:23 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Mar 4, 2010 14:41:23 GMT -5
unvote RedSkeezixI'm willing to hold off on my vote for now but frankly, at this point, there are two points that make me think that you're 3rd party (a known 3rd party mason with you claiming another mason, most strongly, but also presuming a wincon in a role PM). I reserve the right to re-vote for you Today if there is not a better candidate since I still consider you more likely third-party than not. However, it's worth not compromising a town mason by being prudent, and if you are a third-party mason, it's likely to come out sooner or later and further Total's already been lost, making you (in my consideration) a low-priority threat to Town. Skeez said: Taken in context with the quote I was responding to, it makes it clear that I was referring to the wincon in the role PM, so I'm honestly a little baffled that you aren't on board with this. Unless this is a clumsy attempt to point me as some sort of third party that has no win condition, which makes no sense. But that's admittedly fairly unlikely. Last things first: It's not that I'm not on board with it, it was more that I was trying to clarify what you were saying. It seemed ambiguous, so I sought to clarify. I wasn't trying to paint you of anything, it was just the phrasing that was sticking in my head. Next: Fair point, Total was a 3rd party mason and I did speak without thinking or checking my own data. If you suspect me of being a 3rd party mason, fine suspect away. I am going to say it, just so that when I turn up as a dead town, it will put this 3rd party mason business to bed: I am town, and the only third party mason was Total, lynching me today on the basis that I am possibly a third party mason, is a mislynch. Town's win condition is that we win when all the shills are dead. The shills win condition, is that they win when nothing can stop them from killing off everyone else. That means that the third party lynch of Bill yesterday was a mislynch from the control of the vote perspective. That means if you suspect that I am third party, there is only one reason to lynch me, and that being that you suspect me of being in a position to side with the shills. Which with the numbers that exist in the game toDay, can't possibly be accepted as any kind of credible reasoning for a vote.
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 14:44:13 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Mar 4, 2010 14:44:13 GMT -5
What does it matter why I was considering using my power? I didn't use it so the point is moot. You are arguing useless semantics. If you must no why I was eager to use my power, I considered what the best strategy for my role would be. I came to the conclusion that ideally the best situation would be to use my power early in the game when we still have a lot of our important power roles hidden so that afterward I would be vanilla and the scum would target me and not someone with a potentially vital role to town. It was that, or wait until much later in the game and then use my power when I was more sure of a target. The problem with that is that I rarely survive past mid game as town. I either get NK or lynched before then. So I supposed I could have resigned myself to playing as vanilla and dying mid game, but how confused would you have been if I flipped as town day vig on day4 without havnv ever had a day kill occur?
Like I said, I didn't use my power so this is all moot. I chose not to use it because me simply being pinged by red was not enough reason for me to justify using it. It was in town's best interest for me to go off half cocked and vig someone just because I was suspicious without the support of anyone else. We've already beat the reasonings bhind not gigging bill to death.
I dunno if I'm just full of OMGUS, but the fact that you continue to harp on about the reasons I contemplated doing something that I decided not to do seems like you trying to distract everyone and cast suspicion on me at the same time.
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 14:57:33 GMT -5
Post by Dirx on Mar 4, 2010 14:57:33 GMT -5
I continued to "harp on" you because I had yet to receive a straight answer. Now that you've provided one, I'm satisfied. This is a game of motivations, and understanding yours helps me in evaluating your claim. Not just your motivations for what you did, but your motivations for what you said you contemplated. You should know that you can't really post anything in a mafia game without it being questioned by someone.
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 15:09:25 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on Mar 4, 2010 15:09:25 GMT -5
What does it matter why I was considering using my power? Because it helps us evaluate the truth or falsity of your role claim. Given the fact that you did not tell us your power was a one-shot, it seemed sensible that you initially told us you were planning on using it on Day One. After you admitted that you only had one use of your power, it seemed odd that you were considering using it on the first Day. Honestly, taking your explanation as truth, if I were playing your role, I would have offed Bill after his claim, and never told anyone that you were limited to one use of your power. Make the Scum waste a NK on a vanilla, and use your power on a claimed third-party! Totally pro-Town, especially if you used it ASAP after his claim, so we had time to find another person to lynch. What if the person in 2nd place that Day happened to be Scum? What a wonderful Day One that would have been. And I guess that's filled with post hoc analysis, but it's pretty much why I'm still skeptical of you. You had what was basically the most perfect opportunity and time to use your role that you're gonna get, and you didn't do it.
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 15:10:32 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on Mar 4, 2010 15:10:32 GMT -5
I should have said "It seemed odd you were considering using it on Skeezix." Obviously, it makes total sense for you to have used it on Bill.
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 15:14:58 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 4, 2010 15:14:58 GMT -5
What does it matter why I was considering using my power? I didn't use it so the point is moot. You are arguing useless semantics. If you must no why I was eager to use my power, I considered what the best strategy for my role would be. I came to the conclusion that ideally the best situation would be to use my power early in the game when we still have a lot of our important power roles hidden so that afterward I would be vanilla and the scum would target me and not someone with a potentially vital role to town. It was that, or wait until much later in the game and then use my power when I was more sure of a target. The problem with that is that I rarely survive past mid game as town. I either get NK or lynched before then. So I supposed I could have resigned myself to playing as vanilla and dying mid game, but how confused would you have been if I flipped as town day vig on day4 without havnv ever had a day kill occur? Like I said, I didn't use my power so this is all moot. I chose not to use it because me simply being pinged by red was not enough reason for me to justify using it. It was in town's best interest for me to go off half cocked and vig someone just because I was suspicious without the support of anyone else. We've already beat the reasonings bhind not gigging bill to death. I dunno if I'm just full of OMGUS, but the fact that you continue to harp on about the reasons I contemplated doing something that I decided not to do seems like you trying to distract everyone and cast suspicion on me at the same time. It's not moot because it gets to your motivations. And beside that you're reasoning is crappy and you should know it. You're saying it's best for a one shot Vig to use their power early and make themselves a Scum target...because this protects valuable Town power roles from the Night Kill.....but...um..you also might kill a valuable Town power role who will have no time to claim. You also say you wanted to use your power early in the game instead of late. No, you should know your power is more valuable later. ou ignore the actual useful times for a one shot Town Vig: 1. Killing an outed Scum. (So we don't have to waste a Day) 2. Killing an outed SK. (So we don't waste a lynch) 3. Reducing the unconfirmed pool late in a game. (Did you play in Heroes?) 4. Taking out a dangerous Town power. (What will we do with Meeko if Scum have a redirector?)
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Mar 4, 2010 16:02:28 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Mar 4, 2010 16:02:28 GMT -5
Vote Count:
Drainbead: 1., 2. paul, 3. peekercpa: 1. drain, 2. Ed, 3. paul Meeko: 1. NAF sinjin, 2. Nanook, 3. Shaggy
Paulwhoisaghost (3): (drainbead 2nd), (peekercpa 3rd) drainbead (3): (peekercpa 1st)
NAF sinjin (3): (Meeko 1st) Spec Ed (2): (peekercpa 2nd) Nanook (2): (Meeko 2nd) Shaggy (1): (Meeko 3rd)
Fixed.
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Mar 4, 2010 17:20:28 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Mar 4, 2010 17:20:28 GMT -5
As soon as someone can tell me EXACTLY what to do with all this information, I will oblige. Meeko, you've asked this question twice now. Are you really just seeking advice or are you being affected by a game mechanic? --FCOD No shoes. I was trying for a joke the second time. Peeker placed votes and no rationale. Hence I figured If I tried it again,,,, Nevermind.
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