Meeko
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 17:25:35 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Mar 4, 2010 17:25:35 GMT -5
Paul: I was keeping him honest. If he is scum, I figured I was better for taking his steam. If he isn't, well then, at least I Didn't vote for him.
Sin is in, eh ?
I would love to know if the Monty Hall Problem works on a strict Lynch the Lurker basis.
Here's to finding out.
Unvote All
And now, with that done,
3 point vote Nanook.
Looks like I was heavy handed on my last round of voting in comparison, Given that, and that Sin is now in for NAF, Nanook gets the remainder. Hopefully he will give me a reason to unvote him. At the very least, I hope he gives me any reason.
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 17:31:03 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Mar 4, 2010 17:31:03 GMT -5
I have a 3 point vote and it so blue, ba ba de ba da bo. A three point vote, it once was two, ba ba de ba da bo. When will I learn my lesson to preview? ba ba de ba da bo. Fear not, for I wear no shoe........ 3 points NanookHas there been precedent for "If (s)he asks me to unvote her, I will." ? It's Eiffel 65. Not a post restriction.
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 17:51:53 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Mar 4, 2010 17:51:53 GMT -5
@ Red, I just wanted to remind you, that while you can probably be trusted to be a Mason, we have 2 things to keep in mind in regards to you. 1. The only mod-confirmed Mason was 3rd party. 2. You 'slipped' at first regarding paul's claim not having a WinCon. The only players who would need a WinCon are 3rd party/PFK Those are 2 things which aren't that powerful on their own, but combined look very suspicious. <snipped> well i can see your point ed but i also know that he posted his pm on the mason board. so unless he was really really looking forward to pulling this off in the main thread would have meant a whole lot of planning. not that skeez isn't smart enough to pull it off just that i find it highly unlikely. additionally our banter was not indicative of this action. matter of fact, it was totally the opposite. now could it be staged, sure. but i really realy doubt it so i am taking that off of the table of possibilities for me. and yes i will continue to vote how i see fit based on whom i find to be the most likely non town participants. and paul although i don't agree with your reasoning i can certainly see the rationale behind it.
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 18:35:56 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Mar 4, 2010 18:35:56 GMT -5
Hi all, subbing in for NAF. It's going to take me a bit to get caught up, haven't really been paying attention. FTR I hate borda voting.
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 19:02:28 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Mar 4, 2010 19:02:28 GMT -5
Drainbead: 1., 2. paul, 3. peekercpa: 1. drain, 2. Ed, 3. paul Meeko: 1. Nanook
Paulwhoisaghost (3): (drainbead 2nd), (peekercpa 3rd) drainbead (3): (peekercpa 1st) Nanook (3): (Meeko 1st) Spec Ed (2): (peekercpa 2nd)
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 19:19:49 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Mar 4, 2010 19:19:49 GMT -5
Hey everyone, Sorry for the sparse posts and all. I do not mean to lurk or anything, just been verry busy with work and my imploded a little bit game on another site.
Anyways After doing a catch up, I have to say well well I am alot less eye brow raising with red since I would like to think it was just a mistake. So no sence on worry to much atleast for now. the only thing as a side note I am tempted to ask, peek if you knew he posted his pm on the mason site, then why did you 3 point vote the guy then? It just seems odd to me. Now as I said I am not to worried about the whole thing at the moment, just find it more curious then anything.
MG's role is odd to claim out of the blue, though there is nothing really wrong with that and well it does fit with the color of the game and all. So for now I am willing to trust it. Plus we have a semi-confirmed action, in that you targeted Peek and knew he was targeted. Though that does not really confirm you, at the same time I willing to not worry fornow and look else where.
I do feel a little less suspicious of paul with the full disclosure. Though while I understand the reasons for it, I disagree with the attempt to do it. After all there are somethings that do seem odd about it, but since it is confirmable, I think i am inclined to not really worry to much.
Welcome to the game sinjin
So far I am still the most suspicious of my origanal yesterday number one vote, and may just vote that way again as I have not seen one one else I feel deserves a number one vote yet.
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 19:37:15 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Mar 4, 2010 19:37:15 GMT -5
I don't even understand what reason you had to vote me in the first place. Between the time you voted originally, and the revote, I posted, and Sinjin came in for NAF. Shaggy did not post. Yet you unvote him and revote me? When you originally were voting for lurking? Which I'm still waiting on how you are defining it.
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 19:51:21 GMT -5
Post by Dirx on Mar 4, 2010 19:51:21 GMT -5
So far I am still the most suspicious of my origanal yesterday number one vote, and may just vote that way again as I have not seen one one else I feel deserves a number one vote yet. ... Bill?
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 20:01:31 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Mar 4, 2010 20:01:31 GMT -5
So far I am still the most suspicious of my origanal yesterday number one vote, and may just vote that way again as I have not seen one one else I feel deserves a number one vote yet. ... Bill? Sorry I did not say exactly who...my bad. It was drainbead and for the reasons as I stated yesterday.
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 20:05:27 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Mar 4, 2010 20:05:27 GMT -5
shaggy we actually had this discussion on the mason board. skeez was willing to take in the chops for a poorly placed message.
i thought by maybe voting for him we could disassociate. but when he started getting too much heat and had to claim and ed was still pushing his buttons i was like fuck it.
he is much more valuable to town than i am. keep him around and town will have a HUGE chance.
that's why i did it, and would do again.
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 20:29:38 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 4, 2010 20:29:38 GMT -5
shaggy we actually had this discussion on the mason board. skeez was willing to take in the chops for a poorly placed message. i thought by maybe voting for him we could disassociate. but when he started getting too much heat and had to claim and ed was still pushing his buttons i was like fuck it. he is much more valuable to town than i am. keep him around and town will have a HUGE chance. that's why i did it, and would do again. so, Red was willing to take the heat...and so you voted for him to distance yourself from him (I've never really understood this. IN all my games as Scum, I've never really spent a lot of time looking for Masons. They expose themselves soon enough.)...OK, and your vote actually added to the heat he was getting. and, I was still pushing his buttons? I don't look at it that way. I was pointing out things that I saw. Red slipped with the WinCon thing, and then claimed Mason, when we know there was already 1 third party mason. And you played in Super Mario, right? And then, you had to go and join him in that claim...for what reason? Red wasn't under any pressure anymore. paul wasn't going to Vig him. You weren't under any heat. Maybe I just don't understand this game anymore.
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 20:49:10 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Mar 4, 2010 20:49:10 GMT -5
play the game ed. just play the game with the facts that are available.
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 21:17:24 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 4, 2010 21:17:24 GMT -5
play the game ed. just play the game with the facts that are available. um...peeks, that's what I'm doing.you know. I had an explanation all typed out. I pointed out how I was playing the game and looking for motivations and playing with the information I had. Then I realized you wouldn't care and you'd keep playing your whimsical little game. So I deleted it.
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 21:27:39 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Mar 4, 2010 21:27:39 GMT -5
well if you think trying to get a town win is "whimsical" that is your characterization.
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 21:45:34 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 4, 2010 21:45:34 GMT -5
well if you think trying to get a town win is "whimsical" that is your characterization. No, peeker, I think voting for a fellow Mason who is taking heat for a slip is whimsical. I think after that mason claims that you then claim too when there was no heat on either of you is whimsical. (especially the way you did it) I think voting for me because I reminded Town that there were some odd circumstances surrounding the other mason (who you had already voted for for the same exact reasons I was pointing out!) is whimsical. You might be trying to get a Town win, but it's how you're trying to do it.
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 21:46:36 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Mar 4, 2010 21:46:36 GMT -5
actually, i'd welcome your observations, ed. seriously no shit and not fucking with you a bit.
i already tagged you on the mason board as scum, as did skeez. but yaknow we were kind of a small percentage of the population.
so yeh, i'd like to hear and i'll shut up for 24 hours or so to let others weigh in.
because i don't want to piss you off. seriously we play this game HARD. but not so hard that i want you to be hacked at me in any personal way.
and i won't make a whole lot of excuses but .... i don't get a lot of slack and i don't give a lot of slack. and when i get a town power role i am going to push. maybe the wrong way to play. so yeh, i'll totally back off.
fair enough?
fuck i feel like the damn story and sach lovefest over on the dope.
unvote all
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 21:49:11 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 4, 2010 21:49:11 GMT -5
fuck i feel like the damn story and sach lovefest over on the dope. I stopped following that game when it got really bad. Did I win yet?
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 21:55:06 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Mar 4, 2010 21:55:06 GMT -5
btw, we are still looking for players on thursday night hold em throw downs at the dope.
no money just braggin rights.
fucking meeko is killing. and skeez and mental hold their own. i flounder.
if you want some real abuse sign up and we can see ya.
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 21:57:47 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 4, 2010 21:57:47 GMT -5
btw, we are still looking for players on thursday night hold em throw downs at the dope. no money just braggin rights. fucking meeko is killing. and skeez and mental hold their own. i flounder. if you want some real abuse sign up and we can see ya. I would play poker with ya'll in real life...on line, not so much
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Day 2
Mar 4, 2010 22:11:56 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 4, 2010 22:11:56 GMT -5
[haunt]I may just join y'all in poker tonight, peek. I have to work at the home office from 9pm-4am Pacific, but no reason I couldn't have the game in a nice little window while watching [insert some cinema trilogy here][/haunt]
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 0:20:35 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Mar 5, 2010 0:20:35 GMT -5
FCoD, you were suspicious of both ed and meeko for there little spat in the day 1 thread. And you voted right away. But then you were suspicious enough of my slip to encourage paul to vig me, while at the same time saying you'd probably vote for me.
This seems like inconsistient play to me. Why not vote for me before I claimed? It's quite possible paul was lying or would decide not to vig me.
Vote: vote FCoD (3 points)
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 0:50:03 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Mar 5, 2010 0:50:03 GMT -5
What does it matter why I was considering using my power? Honestly, taking your explanation as truth, if I were playing your role, I would have offed Bill after his claim, and never told anyone that you were limited to one use of your power. Make the Scum waste a NK on a vanilla, and use your power on a claimed third-party! Totally pro-Town, especially if you used it ASAP after his claim, so we had time to find another person to lynch. What if the person in 2nd place that Day happened to be Scum? What a wonderful Day One that would have been. And I guess that's filled with post hoc analysis, but it's pretty much why I'm still skeptical of you. You had what was basically the most perfect opportunity and time to use your role that you're gonna get, and you didn't do it. Where to begin... for one, day was winding down... look back. Bill didn't "slip" until like page 10 or 11 of a 13 page thread. Secondly, I wasn't around when it happened. I came in after. At the end of Day if I had suddenly vigged him, I would have used my vig power on a potential problem then we were already doing in anyway, and in doing so sending the person in second place to the top of the lynch ladder with little time to defend themselves. Result?: Yeah Bill dies, but we could have lynched a town power role do to the cluster fuck scramble that would have ensued. So yeah, there was a possibilty the person we lynched instead might have been scum, but I doubt it... the odds are heavily against us on that. In fact, I just went and looked and the person who would have hung in Bill's place was Ed. Are you comfortable with me Vigging Ed right now? That would basically put us right back on track with what you are proposing I should have done. Please note that there is no way I am gonna vig Ed at this point.
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 0:53:31 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Mar 5, 2010 0:53:31 GMT -5
Paul: I was keeping him honest. If he is scum, I figured I was better for taking his steam. If he isn't, well then, at least I Didn't vote for him. Do you ever speak in plain english? This is mafia... you don't get points for confusing everyone when trying to make a point. How were you "keeping me honest". You had no impact on any decision I made in claiming or using/not using my power. And again... you seem to be hung up on voting for Town.
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 0:58:03 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Mar 5, 2010 0:58:03 GMT -5
You know Drain.... as I was looking back at the timing of Bill's "slip" I think I found one that you made yourself... looks like a slip to me anyway. <font style="font-size: 12px;"> Unvote: all Vote: 3-point vote for Bill Gotta get rid of third-parties too, so even if he's that and not Scum, it's best to lynch him than an unknown right now. Although I'm really not sure why that claim is a self-preservation one? Town doesn't have to kill 3rd parties. The whole reason they are 3rd party is that they are non-malicious. Shills may need to kill some third parties... their wincon is a bit more ambiguous and a 3rd party could potentially prevent them from killing everybody. There is also the potential that you yourself are a 3rd party / PFK who has a wincon related to removing other 3rd parties. Either way.... town has no reason they HAVE to kill 3rd parties.
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 1:50:21 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on Mar 5, 2010 1:50:21 GMT -5
i already tagged you on the mason board as scum, as did skeez. but yaknow we were kind of a small percentage of the population. Are you talking about a different game or are you and red nows outed as the remaining masons? What post did I miss that in?
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 7:58:10 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 5, 2010 7:58:10 GMT -5
Not a lot of momentum toDay.
Not really a lot of discussion either.
The shadiest actions are coming from our claimed Masons. That's really not unusual, since Masons can play a little fast and loose and stick their necks places other players can't.
For the record, I'm not voting their way, because even if they are 3rd party, they're still 3rd party, not PFK or Scum
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 8:00:10 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 5, 2010 8:00:10 GMT -5
Not a lot of momentum toDay. Not really a lot of discussion either. The shadiest actions are coming from our claimed Masons. That's really not unusual, since Masons can play a little fast and loose and stick their necks places other players can't. For the record, I'm not voting their way, because even if they are 3rd party, they're still 3rd party, not PFK or Scum Though, honestly, this just occurred to me...wouldn't it be interesting if each of them was a bounty hunter chasing a particular character? It would be an interesting dynamic and would also add a bit of drama to a mass claim.
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 8:04:41 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Mar 5, 2010 8:04:41 GMT -5
I don't even understand what reason you had to vote me in the first place. Between the time you voted originally, and the revote, I posted, and Sinjin came in for NAF. Shaggy did not post. Yet you unvote him and revote me? When you originally were voting for lurking? Which I'm still waiting on how you are defining it. ::Looks around:: I assume this is meant for me?
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 8:17:42 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Mar 5, 2010 8:17:42 GMT -5
I just get a bad feeling that this game is going to be harder than Cecil Pond. And that game didn't have borda.
Like the detective missing his toilet, I have nothing to go on.
Unvote Nanook.
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 8:48:36 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on Mar 5, 2010 8:48:36 GMT -5
You know Drain.... as I was looking back at the timing of Bill's "slip" I think I found one that you made yourself... looks like a slip to me anyway. <font style="font-size: 12px;"> Unvote: all Vote: 3-point vote for Bill Gotta get rid of third-parties too, so even if he's that and not Scum, it's best to lynch him than an unknown right now. Although I'm really not sure why that claim is a self-preservation one? Town doesn't have to kill 3rd parties. The whole reason they are 3rd party is that they are non-malicious. Shills may need to kill some third parties... their wincon is a bit more ambiguous and a 3rd party could potentially prevent them from killing everybody. There is also the potential that you yourself are a 3rd party / PFK who has a wincon related to removing other 3rd parties. Either way.... town has no reason they HAVE to kill 3rd parties. Remember my question during the Night? Apply that to what I said there and it makes perfect sense.
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