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Day 3
Mar 10, 2010 20:17:48 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 10, 2010 20:17:48 GMT -5
Hey everyone, Well this is a interesting day so far. So if most are telling the truth I would say we have alot of powers bouncing around last night. As for the "trying to kill" Red I was not trying to kill him at all. Yes I visted him but it was not to kill at all. Well I might as well claim. I am yet again for like the what 2nd or 3rd time, the same role again. Random.org must just hate me here. So here is my PM: So yup I am a third party mad bomber...again. I know Ed you think I would learn my lesson to not claim this, but seeing as I was caught with my hand in the cookie jar so to speak, I might as well suck it up and just admit what I am. So you see red I did not try and kill you or tag you, but simply got you to help for one night, to turn a dead corpse into a robot. That is my form of tagging for this game. Robot turning and of the dead instead of the living. Also now do you see why I was wishy washy with red for the possible slip? Cause I knew if I went after the guy, then latter on I would be hammered for going after him. Since that is what I am, a third party. Though this time I do also have a redirect power and self protecting power. And this is why I am highly suspicious of SisterC cause providing luvbwfc is telling the truth, then that would mean I would have had to redirect her. But atlass it was not me. I did use my redirect last night and it was meeko to sinjin the reason was simply that if meeko had to make a kill and it was not stopped, I felt it was best to have it be done on someone asking to be taken out of the game anyways. Then it is easy for our great MOD and we do not risk loosing anyone that would be best still in the game. So I am sorry if anyone disagrees with that disicion but I felt if the kill was to go through, that would be the best of what we have to work with. Now if you choose to lynch me today, hey I understand and am fine with that. But for me I am going to: Vote SisterC 3 points Cause hey if I did not redirect you and luvbwfc did not, then who did, since there is what no one else who could have redirected you. I think we have a huge advantage over the Scum. We've got Sister (or on the off chance we are wrong, Nanook) dead to rights. I don't trust that shaggy is 3rd party. It seems more like PFK to me (I know I've been wrong before) Here are my thoughts. We've got roleblockers and redirectors galore. Even Night Killers. I suggest we use those powers to take care of Sister toNight. Leaving our claimed Mad Bomber alive into the Night might not be a good thing. However, if we do, I suggest that mentalguy use his metallic gloves against on one of the corpses. My guess is that it will prevent shaggy from using that robot zombie to convert other dead bodies. Granted, if shaggy is honest, it seems like he's far from his win condition. However, I see an increase in his conversion rate. He converted Bill on Night 1. Then maybe he and Bill converted 2 bodies on Night 2. He's got 3 robot drones for Night 3. Could he potentially convert 4 bodies? He can't be honest, because then his won condition is ridiculous. He can convert 2 dead bodies into robots each Night? And we're averaging 4.5 dead bodies per cycle? It's impossible. Even with just 3 deaths per cycle, he'll never keep up. And each Night, there's be a new dead body from the Scum kill that he didn't have a chance to convert! So he'd have to keep up with all the death and hope for a Night where no one dies. That's a cruel win condition. I don't believe it. No, not for a minute. Are you sure that you are ROB, shaggy? and not Dr Wily? trying to take over the Smash Bros. franchise? It would make the rest of my PM make perfect sense. (and no, I'm not giving away my weakness until you are dead) In essence, I believe shaggy is the bigger concern toDay. Unvote: all Vote: shaggy with a 3 point, 1st place vote
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Day 3
Mar 10, 2010 20:26:39 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 10, 2010 20:26:39 GMT -5
oh! I missed this in the first perusal of your role claim
Yes, you must be stopped. You may be Rob ad not Wily, but you're operating under Wily's command!
You are who I was warned about. I completely and without doubt know that you cannot be 3rd party.
We must lynch him. He's lying about his win condition. He must be. All this death might be playing into his hands.
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Day 3
Mar 10, 2010 21:44:39 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Mar 10, 2010 21:44:39 GMT -5
oh! I missed this in the first perusal of your role claim Yes, you must be stopped. You may be Rob ad not Wily, but you're operating under Wily's command! You are who I was warned about. I completely and without doubt know that you cannot be 3rd party. We must lynch him. He's lying about his win condition. He must be. All this death might be playing into his hands. I'd like to peruse that portion of your PM that warns you about him, before I commit. But I will say that since we've gotten 2 (maybe 3, if sister c does come up scum, i'll be hard pressed to believe that inner was not scum, esp considering the death reveal thing, which if exists scum would have known about it) scum so far. It's probably a safe bet to remove shaggy just to be on the safe side. But I would like to see the fiber of your fabric if you know what I mean.
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Day 3
Mar 10, 2010 21:46:19 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Mar 10, 2010 21:46:19 GMT -5
I will say though that I believe that he is full of it. If he's not pfk then his wincon is unachievable.
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Day 3
Mar 10, 2010 21:48:49 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Mar 10, 2010 21:48:49 GMT -5
Jeez, I really should read every thing that Ed writes. Just ignore my last two posts .
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Day 3
Mar 10, 2010 21:59:22 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 10, 2010 21:59:22 GMT -5
I'd like to peruse that portion of your PM that warns you about him, before I commit. Can we kill him first? I'd really not like to be vulnerable to him.
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Day 3
Mar 10, 2010 22:01:42 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Mar 10, 2010 22:01:42 GMT -5
If it exposes your weakness, I dunno. If you can post what out there to warn you off from him without exposing yourself, please do so.
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Day 3
Mar 10, 2010 22:08:43 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 10, 2010 22:08:43 GMT -5
If it exposes your weakness, I dunno. If you can post what out there to warn you off from him without exposing yourself, please do so. Basically, I was told that other elements of Capcom were seeking to take advantage of the situation. I was warned to keep guard lest they use me to do their bidding. From the megaman wiki (yes, there is one) Dr Wily is my arch nemesis and a master at taking control of robots in a seemingly never-ending quest to take over the world. This is why I was concerned when we started finding robots from the dead people. It's what led me to claim early toDay. When shaggy claimed, all the pieces seemed to fall into place for me.
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Day 3
Mar 10, 2010 22:11:06 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Mar 10, 2010 22:11:06 GMT -5
Here's the collected list of claims:
5. peeker -- Mason 11. redskeezix -- Mason (Sonic) 8. luvbwfc -- Actor-Redirect (Sami) 1. Sister Coyote -- Cop (Merlon) 7. Special Ed -- Town Modular (Mega man) 13. mentalguy -- Inventor (Link) 15. paul -- Falcon (Day Vig) 16. Shaggy -- Mad Bomber/Actor-redirect (ROB) 17. Dirx -- Hitman (Master Sergeant) 19. Nanook-- Cop (Luigi)
also, I think it's better to kill off a possible PFK now, then get stuck with them alive in a lylo type situation. Especially with 3 claimed killers alive. The problem is there are 3 kills tonight. Which means if the game started with 5 scum we might really really close to lylo aka 6-2-1. I'd really prefer it if we lynched sisc today, and dirx took out shaggy tonight.
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Day 3
Mar 11, 2010 2:33:21 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on Mar 11, 2010 2:33:21 GMT -5
i have another facet to my role that may be able to calm things down tonight, if that is what we want.
Now that 2 shills are dead my CO power is fully charged. I can force my leadership onto EVERYONE tonight, making them all target the same person.
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Day 3
Mar 11, 2010 7:31:03 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 11, 2010 7:31:03 GMT -5
i have another facet to my role that may be able to calm things down tonight, if that is what we want. Now that 2 shills are dead my CO power is fully charged. I can force my leadership onto EVERYONE tonight, making them all target the same person. Wouldn't that be the same as canceling all Night actions? I mean, that person would be roleblocked and protected repeatedly.
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Day 3
Mar 11, 2010 8:14:02 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on Mar 11, 2010 8:14:02 GMT -5
i have another facet to my role that may be able to calm things down tonight, if that is what we want. Now that 2 shills are dead my CO power is fully charged. I can force my leadership onto EVERYONE tonight, making them all target the same person. Wouldn't that be the same as canceling all Night actions? I mean, that person would be roleblocked and protected repeatedly. I cannot predict with any accuracy what the final result would be to that person. I assume there is some kind of Mafia BODMAS about what order effects get applied in. And if 2 kills are focused on the target vs one protection, would the 2nd kill go through? Anyway, with everyone targeting one person, it guarantees no other deaths that night. I am very tempted to kill Shaggy in favour of Sis C. I was on the scum team in a previous game where we targeted a win stealer on the night they collected their last trinket. They won and left the game before our kill was enacted. It could lose town the game if we let Shaggy see nightfall. How many bodies are roboticised vs non roboticised?
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Day 3
Mar 11, 2010 10:14:29 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Mar 11, 2010 10:14:29 GMT -5
I have to admit.
Unvote: Nanook Vote: Shaggy first Vote: Nanook second
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Day 3
Mar 11, 2010 12:11:05 GMT -5
Post by Dirx on Mar 11, 2010 12:11:05 GMT -5
i have another facet to my role that may be able to calm things down tonight, if that is what we want. Now that 2 shills are dead my CO power is fully charged. I can force my leadership onto EVERYONE tonight, making them all target the same person. Wouldn't that be the same as canceling all Night actions? I mean, that person would be roleblocked and protected repeatedly. Not if I'm around. There's a very good chance my kill will still work, even if protector roles are forced to target the player. If you want to make sure town gets a Night kill in while simultaneously blocking scum, you'll use that power while I'm still alive. I'm not sure I'd be redirected by it or not, though, so we'd probably have to discuss the target before going through with it, so that we're all on the same page.
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Day 3
Mar 11, 2010 12:57:40 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Mar 11, 2010 12:57:40 GMT -5
I say we kill Sister C today. Why, because it'll leave one scum left who has to choose to use their power or kill (unless they have a killing power) and that will be good for town. I'm okay with luv using the mass redirect onto shaggy tonight, which would help to reveal some other truths. Plus, I don't like to kill 3rd party over scum, i'd prefer the insurance lynch.
Vote: Sister Coyote 3pts
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Day 3
Mar 11, 2010 13:07:09 GMT -5
Post by Dirx on Mar 11, 2010 13:07:09 GMT -5
I have a bad memory, so my apologies if this is a stupid question... How do you know there are only two scum left?
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Day 3
Mar 11, 2010 13:14:50 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 11, 2010 13:14:50 GMT -5
I say we kill Sister C today. Why, because it'll leave one scum left who has to choose to use their power or kill (unless they have a killing power) and that will be good for town. I'm okay with luv using the mass redirect onto shaggy tonight, which would help to reveal some other truths. Plus, I don't like to kill 3rd party over scum, i'd prefer the insurance lynch. I respectfully disagree. We can't be sure that shaggy's powers are redirectable. By leaving him alive into the Night, he could complete more robot conversions. Additionally, having all the powers targeting him might provide him the ability to survive the Night, then we'll probably have to kill him toMorrow if we haven't already lost. I suggest we lynch him toDay and then get all the actions onto Sister toNight. We can be pretty sure we have her. Even if she survives the Night, we can lynch her toMorrow. Basically, either could survive the Night potenailly. Is it better to lynch the one who might be able to steal a win first? or get the Scum first? Even if we don't pile all the actions onto her, we can roleblock the living daylights out of her and redirect her back onto herself, etc., forcing the other Scum (or maybe 2 but that's pushing it with so many 3rd party/PFK) to make the kill. (if it is an individual kill and not a group decision) So, we've have the advantage with 2 dead Scum already. The Scum aren't in a position to take out a PFK for us. Additionally, on the off chance Nanook is the one lying, we'll have another Night of data when it all plays out (or not since I'm sure she'll be roleblocked)
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Day 3
Mar 11, 2010 14:15:39 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Mar 11, 2010 14:15:39 GMT -5
<font style="font-size: 12px;">I have a bad memory, so my apologies if this is a stupid question... How do you know there are only two scum left? I don't know, I'm making an assumption that there are only two left, based on the size of the game and number of scum killed so far. and using that assumption to support my position. I respectfully disagree. We can't be sure that shaggy's powers are redirectable. By leaving him alive into the Night, he could complete more robot conversions. Additionally, having all the powers targeting him might provide him the ability to survive the Night, then we'll probably have to kill him toMorrow if we haven't already lost. I suggest we lynch him toDay and then get all the actions onto Sister toNight. We can be pretty sure we have her. Even if she survives the Night, we can lynch her toMorrow. Basically, either could survive the Night potenailly. Is it better to lynch the one who might be able to steal a win first? or get the Scum first? Even if we don't pile all the actions onto her, we can roleblock the living daylights out of her and redirect her back onto herself, etc., forcing the other Scum (or maybe 2 but that's pushing it with so many 3rd party/PFK) to make the kill. (if it is an individual kill and not a group decision) So, we've have the advantage with 2 dead Scum already. The Scum aren't in a position to take out a PFK for us. Additionally, on the off chance Nanook is the one lying, we'll have another Night of data when it all plays out (or not since I'm sure she'll be roleblocked) Unvote: all Vote: shaggy 3pts I would still like luvbwfc to use his claimed ability to point all actions on Sister C tonight. Largely because I don't believe him, but for other reasons as well.
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Day 3
Mar 11, 2010 14:23:13 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 11, 2010 14:23:13 GMT -5
I would still like luvbwfc to use his claimed ability to point all actions on Sister C tonight. Largely because I don't believe him, but for other reasons as well. I don't believe him either, mostly because he's still alive, and I tried to kill him last Night. Also, if I'm the last to vote for our lynch target, I should get a power off of them to use toNight. But we can discuss that in the Night thread.
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Day 3
Mar 11, 2010 14:24:14 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on Mar 11, 2010 14:24:14 GMT -5
i'm cool with forcing everyone to target Sister C tonight
unvote
vote Shaggy for 3 pts
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Day 3
Mar 11, 2010 14:25:21 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on Mar 11, 2010 14:25:21 GMT -5
I would still like luvbwfc to use his claimed ability to point all actions on Sister C tonight. Largely because I don't believe him, but for other reasons as well. I don't believe him either, mostly because he's still alive, and I tried to kill him last Night. Also, if I'm the last to vote for our lynch target, I should get a power off of them to use toNight. But we can discuss that in the Night thread. I mentioned this myself earlier. From my pov, knowing that I am telling the truth, either you are lying, or someone else is and used some power to mess up your attack in some way.
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Day 3
Mar 11, 2010 14:27:02 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on Mar 11, 2010 14:27:02 GMT -5
how about dirx targets me? If I'm lying, i'm dead, if not I survive. not much downside there is there?
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Day 3
Mar 11, 2010 14:32:52 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Mar 11, 2010 14:32:52 GMT -5
how about dirx targets me? If I'm lying, i'm dead, if not I survive. not much downside there is there? Yeah except that wouldn't prove anything. If you were not lying about your normal redirect power, you would simply redirect dirx. Or if you have claimed someone else's powers they would simply redirect dirx. So yeah. Dirx if he is not lying (Who ever heard of a town strongman? Baffles the mind it does.) should target whoever he wants. And we'll deal with the truthiness of your statements tomorrow.
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Day 3
Mar 11, 2010 14:33:03 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 11, 2010 14:33:03 GMT -5
This troubles me a bit. A Hitman usually has certain targets that they need dead. They're contract killers with a specific target or two. His role is also one that isn't even on Nintendo. Town already had a Day Vig and a half-time mandatory Vig. Add to this my potential jack of all trades kill and the dead 3rd party SK, and you do have a hell of a lot of killing power. After re-reading, I'm not getting a Town vib off of Dirx either. Alright, well, since we're claiming, and there's a hell of a lot of killers and redirections and whatnot, I'll claim as well. Maybe it will help clear things up. I killed FCoD. Or, at least, I targetted him, and assumed it was my kill that did it. I did not act on Night 1. Regarding the omitted bits of my PM: My kills won't always work. Despite what kinds of protection I can power through, there are certain conditions which will cause me to fail. I'd prefer to leave scum guessing about that. I thought about leaving out the stuff about getting around protection, but I figure scum might already know that whoever killed FCoD can do so. The whole reason I picked him is because he'd been catching just enough heat for scum to try and protect in some way. I'm guessing he used his power on himself Last Night. I'll bet it was a real nice surprise to scum when it didn't work ;D
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Day 3
Mar 11, 2010 14:44:33 GMT -5
Post by Dirx on Mar 11, 2010 14:44:33 GMT -5
If it makes you feel any better, my killing abilities have one large weakness, which limits how much I can add to all the carnage in this game. I can reveal it, if you prefer, but doing so will render me pretty harmless against scum.
I don't blame you for not trusting me, though, I figured that once I claimed, my role alone would bring about all kinds of suspicion. Add to that the crazy amount of killing roles so far, and I agree my claim seems a bit implausible.
But I AM town. If you want to get rid of me to be sure, go ahead. I manged to knock out a very powerful scum role, so I'm content with my contribution to town.
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Day 3
Mar 11, 2010 14:53:09 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 11, 2010 14:53:09 GMT -5
If it makes you feel any better, my killing abilities have one large weakness, which limits how much I can add to all the carnage in this game. I can reveal it, if you prefer, but doing so will render me pretty harmless against scum. I don't blame you for not trusting me, though, I figured that once I claimed, my role alone would bring about all kinds of suspicion. Add to that the crazy amount of killing roles so far, and I agree my claim seems a bit implausible. But I AM town. If you want to get rid of me to be sure, go ahead. I manged to knock out a very powerful scum role, so I'm content with my contribution to town. Interesting. I have a question for you, Dirx, was AlphaTown (the game where I had an nervous breakdown trying to get you lynched when you were Scum) your first game?
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Day 3
Mar 11, 2010 14:54:37 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 11, 2010 14:54:37 GMT -5
and another question...what makes you think that Scum would know that you could get around protection? What leads you to believe that FCOD was protected?
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Day 3
Mar 11, 2010 15:02:20 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Mar 11, 2010 15:02:20 GMT -5
If it makes you feel any better, my killing abilities have one large weakness, which limits how much I can add to all the carnage in this game. I can reveal it, if you prefer, but doing so will render me pretty harmless against scum. I don't blame you for not trusting me, though, I figured that once I claimed, my role alone would bring about all kinds of suspicion. Add to that the crazy amount of killing roles so far, and I agree my claim seems a bit implausible. But I AM town. If you want to get rid of me to be sure, go ahead. I manged to knock out a very powerful scum role, so I'm content with my contribution to town. At this point, with 2 in the bag and one on the way, I'm okay with you neutralizing yourself.
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Day 3
Mar 11, 2010 15:25:21 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Mar 11, 2010 15:25:21 GMT -5
Hey everyone, Well this is a interesting day so far. So if most are telling the truth I would say we have alot of powers bouncing around last night. As for the "trying to kill" Red I was not trying to kill him at all. Yes I visted him but it was not to kill at all. Well I might as well claim. I am yet again for like the what 2nd or 3rd time, the same role again. Random.org must just hate me here. So here is my PM: So yup I am a third party mad bomber...again. I know Ed you think I would learn my lesson to not claim this, but seeing as I was caught with my hand in the cookie jar so to speak, I might as well suck it up and just admit what I am. So you see red I did not try and kill you or tag you, but simply got you to help for one night, to turn a dead corpse into a robot. That is my form of tagging for this game. Robot turning and of the dead instead of the living. Also now do you see why I was wishy washy with red for the possible slip? Cause I knew if I went after the guy, then latter on I would be hammered for going after him. Since that is what I am, a third party. Though this time I do also have a redirect power and self protecting power. And this is why I am highly suspicious of SisterC cause providing luvbwfc is telling the truth, then that would mean I would have had to redirect her. But atlass it was not me. I did use my redirect last night and it was meeko to sinjin the reason was simply that if meeko had to make a kill and it was not stopped, I felt it was best to have it be done on someone asking to be taken out of the game anyways. Then it is easy for our great MOD and we do not risk loosing anyone that would be best still in the game. So I am sorry if anyone disagrees with that disicion but I felt if the kill was to go through, that would be the best of what we have to work with. Now if you choose to lynch me today, hey I understand and am fine with that. But for me I am going to: Vote SisterC 3 points Cause hey if I did not redirect you and luvbwfc did not, then who did, since there is what no one else who could have redirected you. I think we have a huge advantage over the Scum. We've got Sister (or on the off chance we are wrong, Nanook) dead to rights. I don't trust that shaggy is 3rd party. It seems more like PFK to me (I know I've been wrong before) Here are my thoughts. We've got roleblockers and redirectors galore. Even Night Killers. I suggest we use those powers to take care of Sister toNight. Leaving our claimed Mad Bomber alive into the Night might not be a good thing. However, if we do, I suggest that mentalguy use his metallic gloves against on one of the corpses. My guess is that it will prevent shaggy from using that robot zombie to convert other dead bodies. Granted, if shaggy is honest, it seems like he's far from his win condition. However, I see an increase in his conversion rate. He converted Bill on Night 1. Then maybe he and Bill converted 2 bodies on Night 2. He's got 3 robot drones for Night 3. Could he potentially convert 4 bodies?He can't be honest, because then his won condition is ridiculous. He can convert 2 dead bodies into robots each Night? And we're averaging 4.5 dead bodies per cycle? It's impossible. Even with just 3 deaths per cycle, he'll never keep up. And each Night, there's be a new dead body from the Scum kill that he didn't have a chance to convert! So he'd have to keep up with all the death and hope for a Night where no one dies. That's a cruel win condition. I don't believe it. No, not for a minute. Are you sure that you are ROB, shaggy? and not Dr Wily? trying to take over the Smash Bros. franchise? It would make the rest of my PM make perfect sense. (and no, I'm not giving away my weakness until you are dead) In essence, I believe shaggy is the bigger concern toDay. I think you misunderstood or misread Shaggy's PM.... I don't really follow your logic otherwise. His PM said that he could convert the bodies to robots, and recruit someone to help him convert a body against their will. No where in it does it say the robots will also convert bodies into robots.
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Day 3
Mar 11, 2010 15:49:26 GMT -5
Post by Dirx on Mar 11, 2010 15:49:26 GMT -5
To answer your questions, Ed: Yeah, Alpha Centauri was effectively my first game (technically, I played part of a mafia game on the SDMB a LONG time ago, but few of us had any idea what we were doing, and the game was soon aborted anyway. Here we go. It's pretty bad.) And the reason I think scum may already know about my ability to get through protection is partly due to FCoD's power, and partly due to my weakness. Here's my role pm again, complete with the omitted sentences (underlined): My kills only work if a normal kill otherwise wouldn't. Something had to be in the way of my kill attempt on FCoD; either he was protecting himself, or someone tried to block or redirect me, or what. A whole lot of others are claiming they were redirected, so yet another redirection seems unlikely. I think FCoD knew he had garnered some suspicion, and decided to use his power on himself, to ward off any investigations and/or kills that may have been coming his way.
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