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Day 3
Mar 11, 2010 15:53:01 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Mar 11, 2010 15:53:01 GMT -5
Vote Count: Nanook: 1. SisC, 2., 3. Mentalguy: 1. Sister C, 2., 3. paulwhois: 1. Sis Coyote, 2., 3. Shaggy: 1. Sista' Coyote, 2., 3. Special Ed: 1. Shaggy, 2., 3. Sis Coyote: 1. Shaggy, 2. Nanook, 3. Redskeezix: 1. Shaggy, 2., 3. luvbfwc: 1. Shaggy, 2., 3.
Totals: Sister Coyote (15): (Spec Ed 1st), (nanook 1st), (mentalguy 1st), (paulwhois 1st), (shaggy 1st) Shaggy (12): (Special Ed 1st), (Sis Coyote 1st), (Redskeezix 1st), (luvbfwc 1st) Nanook (2): (Sis Coyote 2nd)
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Day 3
Mar 11, 2010 17:50:51 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Mar 11, 2010 17:50:51 GMT -5
Eh, I'm usually not one to want to wait on killing (sort of) known scum, but I can't see any major downside to it right now. A Night with everyone blowing their special abilities at least should give us some clarity on who is potentially lying.
Unvote: Unvote SisC
Vote: 3 pts Shaggy
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Day 3
Mar 11, 2010 18:08:26 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 11, 2010 18:08:26 GMT -5
I think you misunderstood or misread Shaggy's PM.... I don't really follow your logic otherwise. His PM said that he could convert the bodies to robots, and recruit someone to help him convert a body against their will. No where in it does it say the robots will also convert bodies into robots. I didn't misread. I think he's not being honest. If he can only convert 2 bodies per night, how can he ever hope to get all of the bodies converted? We've got 9 dead people already, and he's only converted 3 of them.
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Day 3
Mar 11, 2010 18:14:15 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 11, 2010 18:14:15 GMT -5
OK, dirx, I see what you mean. I guess I wasn't really clear on what a negater meant. You think it's like a protection or roleblock of a power against himself? That thought did occur to me, but I also thought he might be able to target someone and take away their powers. (which I may have been thinking solely out of paranoia. I had a kill that didn't go through, and I don't seem to have been blocked or redirected and luv doesn't seem to have been protected.) The power destroyer thing made sense since one of Total's powers seems to have been to give someone back their power. And the question about Alpha was just becuase this game kinda reminds me of that game. I seem to be seeing things but unable to convince other people of it. (of course, I don't know that I'm right). And, honestly, I learned a lot about how to try to convince people from that game. See, I haven't called anyone an idiot yet
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Day 3
Mar 11, 2010 18:15:26 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 11, 2010 18:15:26 GMT -5
Vote Count: Nanook: 1. SisC, 2., 3. Mentalguy: 1. Sister C, 2., 3. paulwhois: 1. Sis Coyote, 2., 3. Shaggy: 1. Sista' Coyote, 2., 3. Special Ed: 1. Shaggy, 2., 3. Sis Coyote: 1. Shaggy, 2. Nanook, 3. Redskeezix: 1. Shaggy, 2., 3. luvbfwc: 1. Shaggy, 2., 3. Totals: Sister Coyote (15): (Spec Ed 1st), (nanook 1st), (mentalguy 1st), (paulwhois 1st), (shaggy 1st) Shaggy (12): (Special Ed 1st), (Sis Coyote 1st), (Redskeezix 1st), (luvbfwc 1st) Nanook (2): (Sis Coyote 2nd) pede, you have me with a first place vote on Sister and one on shaggy. My only first place vote is on shaggy.
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Day 3
Mar 11, 2010 19:11:44 GMT -5
Post by Dirx on Mar 11, 2010 19:11:44 GMT -5
OK, dirx, I see what you mean. I guess I wasn't really clear on what a negater meant. You think it's like a protection or roleblock of a power against himself? That thought did occur to me, but I also thought he might be able to target someone and take away their powers. (which I may have been thinking solely out of paranoia. I had a kill that didn't go through, and I don't seem to have been blocked or redirected and luv doesn't seem to have been protected.) The power destroyer thing made sense since one of Total's powers seems to have been to give someone back their power. And the question about Alpha was just becuase this game kinda reminds me of that game. I seem to be seeing things but unable to convince other people of it. (of course, I don't know that I'm right). And, honestly, I learned a lot about how to try to convince people from that game. See, I haven't called anyone an idiot yet Well, from earlier Today, Pede himself describes it as What you describe sounds like what Sinjin (Town Depowerer) may have been. What is it you think you're seeing and not convincing others of? Unfounded hunches aren't always bad. paul managed to pick out almost all the scum in the House game with poor reasoning and good guessing, but it doesn't change that he was right. And you have a hell of a knack of targetting me every time I'm scum. Then again, to be honest, I'm not entirely sure I should be trusting you in this game. But I don't know if that's because there's a good reason for it, or because I've seen you as Town so often I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop already.
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Day 3
Mar 11, 2010 20:15:00 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 11, 2010 20:15:00 GMT -5
OK, dirx, I see what you mean. I guess I wasn't really clear on what a negater meant. You think it's like a protection or roleblock of a power against himself? That thought did occur to me, but I also thought he might be able to target someone and take away their powers. (which I may have been thinking solely out of paranoia. I had a kill that didn't go through, and I don't seem to have been blocked or redirected and luv doesn't seem to have been protected.) The power destroyer thing made sense since one of Total's powers seems to have been to give someone back their power. And the question about Alpha was just becuase this game kinda reminds me of that game. I seem to be seeing things but unable to convince other people of it. (of course, I don't know that I'm right). And, honestly, I learned a lot about how to try to convince people from that game. See, I haven't called anyone an idiot yet Well, from earlier Today, Pede himself describes it as What you describe sounds like what Sinjin (Town Depowerer) may have been. What is it you think you're seeing and not convincing others of? Unfounded hunches aren't always bad. paul managed to pick out almost all the scum in the House game with poor reasoning and good guessing, but it doesn't change that he was right. And you have a hell of a knack of targetting me every time I'm scum. Then again, to be honest, I'm not entirely sure I should be trusting you in this game. But I don't know if that's because there's a good reason for it, or because I've seen you as Town so often I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop already. I remember that now. My suspicions are really only hunch based. 1. The term Hitman just struck me as not really Townish. 2. The ability to get through protections did as well (though, since the Scum appear to have had some protective powers, it makes more sense, as does the act that you can only kill if you go through protections. 3. The fact that your character not only wasn't in Brawl, but also has never appeared on Nintendo is another factor. (that leads me to believe 3rd party more than Scum though, to be honest.) So, I don't have as much on you as I did in Alpha. What other game did I get you in?
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Day 3
Mar 11, 2010 20:36:56 GMT -5
Post by Dirx on Mar 11, 2010 20:36:56 GMT -5
Claims: Sister Coyote - claim Merlon, investigator peeker - claim ____, mason Special Ed - claim Megaman, modular luvbwfc - claim Sami, redirector redskeezix - claim Sonic, mason + ____ mentalguy - claim Link, inventor paul - claim Captain Falcon, one-shot Day vig Shaggy - claim R.O.B., 3rd party mad bomber/redirector/robomancer/commuter Dirx - claim Master Chief, hitman Nanook - claim Luigi, detective
Night 1 Actions: Sister Coyote - neglected action peeker - tried to ____, was blocked Special Ed - no action luvbwfc - forced Meeko to target redskeezix redskeezix - mentalguy - targetted peeker w/ bait paul - no claimed night action Shaggy - Dirx - no action Nanook - investigated cookies Cookies - died Total Lost - lost (lynchee was killed) Inner Stickler - fluiddruid - drainbead - blocked Meeko NAF/Sinjin - FCoD - meeko - tried to protect ____, was blocked
UNEXPLAINED EVENTS: If scum designate a killer, then who was it that killed Cookies?
Night 2 Actions: Sister Coyote - tried investigating Nanook, was redirected to Meeko peeker - Special Ed - tried to kill luvbwfc, but was ?blocked? luvbwfc - forced mentalguy to target Nanook redskeezix - was targetted by shaggy mentalguy - tried blocking Meeko, was redirected to Nanook paul - no action Shaggy - recruited Red for robomancing bodies, forced Meeko to target Sinjin Dirx - killed FCoD Nanook - tried investigating Ed, was blocked NAF/Sinjin - died FCoD - died meeko - died
UNEXPLAINED EVENTS: Who redirected Sister Coyote onto Meeko? WAS she redirected? Who blocked Special Ed? WAS he blocked? Who killed Meeko (if, again, scum designates a killer)? WAS he killed? er, wait...
If Ed is telling the truth about his kill attempt failing, then that suggests there's another roleblocker out there, or he was redirected, or some other as-yet-unknown mechanic prevented him from acting. A roleblocker is unlikely--we already lynched a scum roleblocker, and I don't see why they'd have another one. If there's a town roleblocker, then they're either lying, or one of the masons. A redirector also seems unlikely, due to the fact that players seem to be informed when they're redirected. If, of course, everyone is telling the truth about those claims.
If Sister Coyote is telling the truth, then there is a redirector lying about who they targetted last Night. Or, again, it's one of the masons. Not sure why they'd redirect scum onto Meeko, though, so I find that scenario unlikely. It also makes more sense for the redirect to come from scum, given that they would know Meeko would die anyway (as he appears to have been the Night's scum kill). Of course, it also makes sense that Sis could be lying scum.
Or does it?
Please excuse me while I spill a bunch of stream of consciousness thinking that delves heavily into what scum would or wouldn't do.
She could be feeding us useless results to cover for the fact that she can't actually investigate, and in fact has some completely other power. But then again, whether or not she's an investigator, if she's scum, why doesn't she just tell us a given player is scum and get us to mislynch them? Well, ok, a 1-for-1 trade isn't that great for scum unless the player we mislynch is a powerful one, and by the time she claimed it's possible none of the claimed powers were considered worth it. Same with Today. If she'd waited until later Today, she could have had her pick from all the claims ("Town hitman? That's dangerous. Let's say he's scum, and they lynch him for us"). But of course, she wouldn't have known that everyone would claim Today. Ok, so this line of thinking is inconclusive. Fuck it.
Scum have already lost a roleblocker and a superdoc. If everyone's claimed powers are true (yeah, a big if), then likely scum powers would include an investigator and a redirector. This throws suspicion onto Sister Coyote, Nanook, luvbwfc, and Shaggy (who has actually claimed 3rd party).
Town has got to have an investigator (right??). Unless the unclaimed powers of our masons includes such, then either Nanook or Sister Coyote ought to be town. Unfortunately, neither has any confirmable investigation results.
I'm thinking in circles at this point, so I'm going to leave this and you guys can see what you can do with the information so far.
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Day 3
Mar 11, 2010 20:39:20 GMT -5
Post by Dirx on Mar 11, 2010 20:39:20 GMT -5
So, I don't have as much on you as I did in Alpha. What other game did I get you in? Space Hijack (you investigated me and outed me as scum).
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Day 3
Mar 11, 2010 23:27:28 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Mar 11, 2010 23:27:28 GMT -5
I think you misunderstood or misread Shaggy's PM.... I don't really follow your logic otherwise. His PM said that he could convert the bodies to robots, and recruit someone to help him convert a body against their will. No where in it does it say the robots will also convert bodies into robots. I didn't misread. I think he's not being honest. If he can only convert 2 bodies per night, how can he ever hope to get all of the bodies converted? We've got 9 dead people already, and he's only converted 3 of them. I don't think that Pede was anticipating the game to be going this fast. There seems to be a lock of blocking and protecting roles, and I think Pede expected those to cancel a lot of the kills. I mean... look here.... Tumultuous rains battered the outer hull, reflecting on the mood swings of an omnipotent being. sinjin raged against the thunder for some time, but eventually... ... Day 3! [oog] Holy crap, guys, if the game keeps going at this rate I could stick it in the mini section! [/oog] *Snipped*
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Day 3
Mar 11, 2010 23:35:58 GMT -5
Post by Dirx on Mar 11, 2010 23:35:58 GMT -5
Even so, as redskeezix pointed out, shaggy's wincon as stated is impossible.
He's a robomancer. Necromancers animate and control the dead. Probably obvious that he plans on activating and controlling the robots, once he has enough. I'm thinking that the number of robots needs to be >= living players, or something like that. With minimum deaths (one lynch, one NK), and two conversions per Night, that scenario occurs in two Days.
I haven't voted yet, 'cause I have a bad habit of waiting until near the end of the Day, but yeah, I agree he should be taken out ASAP.
Vote: shaggy (3pts)
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Day 3
Mar 11, 2010 23:50:09 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Mar 11, 2010 23:50:09 GMT -5
3rd Party or PFK.... it doesn't really matter... I don't think he has the level of power Ed suggests.... and his power isn't directly harmful to Town. Until he possibly wins that is. And as Dirx suggested it's two Days away from that happening the way I see it. I'd rather take out a scum now and put even more pressure on them, and potentially force them to choose between a kill or an action, than to take out someone who could just be 3rd party telling the truth.
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Day 3
Mar 11, 2010 23:51:12 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 11, 2010 23:51:12 GMT -5
I didn't misread. I think he's not being honest. If he can only convert 2 bodies per night, how can he ever hope to get all of the bodies converted? We've got 9 dead people already, and he's only converted 3 of them. I don't think that Pede was anticipating the game to be going this fast. There seems to be a lock of blocking and protecting roles, and I think Pede expected those to cancel a lot of the kills. I mean... look here.... Tumultuous rains battered the outer hull, reflecting on the mood swings of an omnipotent being. sinjin raged against the thunder for some time, but eventually... ... Day 3! [oog] Holy crap, guys, if the game keeps going at this rate I could stick it in the mini section! [/oog] *Snipped* still, if shaggy can only convert 2 people per cycle, he'd need no lynches and no NKs to catch up. Certainly with a dead SK and everything, pede anticipated a good amount of death. So there has to be a mechanism to allow shaggy to win, be that exponentially increasing conversions or only a percentage of dead people. No matter what, shaggy is lying about his won condition.
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Day 3
Mar 11, 2010 23:53:39 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 11, 2010 23:53:39 GMT -5
3rd Party or PFK.... it doesn't really matter... I don't think he has the level of power Ed suggests.... and his power isn't directly harmful to Town. Until he possibly wins that is. And as Dirx suggested it's two Days away from that happening the way I see it. I'd rather take out a scum now and put even more pressure on them, and potentially force them to choose between a kill or an action, than to take out someone who could just be 3rd party telling the truth. I'm pretty sure we can't lose to Scum toNight or toMorrow Night. I mean, we've killed 2 of them already. I'm not as convinced that we can't lose to shaggy toNight or toMorrow Night. That makes shaggy more dangerous. Besides, we should be killing Sister toNight. If we're going to kill them both this cycle, let's kill the one that is more immediately dangerous to us.
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Day 3
Mar 12, 2010 2:51:35 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on Mar 12, 2010 2:51:35 GMT -5
this may be a discussion for the night thread, but does town want me to use my regular redirect only one person power tonight, or my one off CO redirect everyone on to some sorry fool's ass?
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Day 3
Mar 12, 2010 7:46:17 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Mar 12, 2010 7:46:17 GMT -5
Vote Count: Mentalguy: 1. Sister C, 2., 3. paulwhois: 1. Sis Coyote, 2., 3. Shaggy: 1. Sista' Coyote, 2., 3. Special Ed: 1. Shaggy, 2., 3. Sis Coyote: 1. Shaggy, 2. Nanook, 3. Redskeezix: 1. Shaggy, 2., 3. luvbfwc: 1. Shaggy, 2., 3. Nanook: 1. Shaggy, 2., 3. Dirx: 1. Shaggy, 2., 3.
Totals: Shaggy (18): (Special Ed 1st), (Sis Coyote 1st), (Redskeezix 1st), (luvbfwc 1st), (nanook 1st), (Dirx 1st) Sister Coyote (9): (mentalguy 1st), (paulwhois 1st), (shaggy 1st) Nanook (2): (Sis Coyote 2nd)
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Day 3
Mar 12, 2010 8:38:32 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on Mar 12, 2010 8:38:32 GMT -5
when does day end?
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Day 3
Mar 12, 2010 8:39:50 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on Mar 12, 2010 8:39:50 GMT -5
n/m just seen the banner at the top of the thread. How thick am i? That is a cool banner though. 1st mafia game i have played which had that (that I have noticed)
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Day 3
Mar 12, 2010 13:12:43 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Mar 12, 2010 13:12:43 GMT -5
n/m just seen the banner at the top of the thread. How thick am i? That is a cool banner though. 1st mafia game i have played which had that (that I have noticed) Yeah, it's a cool thing. Day 3 ends Sunday, 7:15 PM EST. Although I may not be here for that...so 7:15 PM or when I get to it.
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Day 3
Mar 12, 2010 14:59:22 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Mar 12, 2010 14:59:22 GMT -5
n/m just seen the banner at the top of the thread. How thick am i? That is a cool banner though. 1st mafia game i have played which had that (that I have noticed) Yeah, it's a cool thing. Day 3 ends Sunday, 7:15 PM EST. Although I may not be here for that...so 7:15 PM or when I get to it. Does voting end at 7:15 regardless of your presence?
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Day 3
Mar 12, 2010 17:58:32 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Mar 12, 2010 17:58:32 GMT -5
The banner says Day ends in 2 days. Color me confused.
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Day 3
Mar 12, 2010 18:13:28 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 12, 2010 18:13:28 GMT -5
The banner says Day ends in 2 days. Color me confused. It's Friday. It'll be Sunday in 2 days.
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Day 3
Mar 12, 2010 21:28:50 GMT -5
Post by MentalGuy on Mar 12, 2010 21:28:50 GMT -5
Well crap, I had a post written up and then the board went wonky and ate it.
Anyway
Unvote: SisterCoyote Vote: Shaggy(3 points)
I think I said I hope we are not being played by Ed, that I am suspicious of luv, I find a Town hitman odd, and we do not have confirmation of paul's alignment (though I think he is probably Town).
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Day 3
Mar 12, 2010 21:55:48 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Mar 12, 2010 21:55:48 GMT -5
The banner says Day ends in 2 days. Color me confused. It's Friday. It'll be Sunday in 2 days. in the spirit of lent. he was crucified, died and buried. and on the third day he rose from the dead.
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Day 3
Mar 12, 2010 21:59:18 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 12, 2010 21:59:18 GMT -5
Well crap, I had a post written up and then the board went wonky and ate it. Anyway Unvote: SisterCoyote [/color] Vote: Shaggy(3 points) [/color] I think I said I hope we are not being played by Ed, that I am suspicious of luv, I find a Town hitman odd, and we do not have confirmation of paul's alignment (though I think he is probably Town).[/quote] How could I be playing you? I was only pushing for killing shaggy first and then Sister. Either way, with our next 2 kills they both die.
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Day 3
Mar 13, 2010 0:00:48 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Mar 13, 2010 0:00:48 GMT -5
and btw, sorry folks. i'll get caught up tomorrow and weigh in. this has been one fucked up week.
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Day 3
Mar 13, 2010 2:09:15 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Mar 13, 2010 2:09:15 GMT -5
The banner says Day ends in 2 days. Color me confused. It's Friday. It'll be Sunday in 2 days. Yeah I'm an idiot... even though Pede said Day ended on Sunday I still thought it ended on Friday for some reason.
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Day 3
Mar 14, 2010 6:16:28 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Mar 14, 2010 6:16:28 GMT -5
otay then.
i'll go ahead and vote sis 3 pts shag 2 pts
i still need to go read some stuff but sis needs to go and i'd rather have one of our folks go after shag tonight. reason being if he is pfk 3rd party town actions are much less likely to get messed with since scum will want him eliminated as well.
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Day 3
Mar 14, 2010 8:58:29 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on Mar 14, 2010 8:58:29 GMT -5
otay then. i'll go ahead and vote sis 3 pts shag 2 ptsi still need to go read some stuff but sis needs to go and i'd rather have one of our folks go after shag tonight. reason being if he is pfk 3rd party town actions are much less likely to get messed with since scum will want him eliminated as well. There is a downside to this. We don't know how close he is to his win condition, and we don't know what order night actions happen in. I was on the scum team for screamers, and we tried to kill a similar 3rd party role on the night he won. His action went through 1st and he won the game and left.
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Day 3
Mar 14, 2010 10:01:43 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Mar 14, 2010 10:01:43 GMT -5
Vote Count: paulwhois: 1. Sis Coyote, 2., 3. Shaggy: 1. Sista' Coyote, 2., 3. Special Ed: 1. Shaggy, 2., 3. Sis Coyote: 1. Shaggy, 2. Nanook, 3. Redskeezix: 1. Shaggy, 2., 3. luvbfwc: 1. Shaggy, 2., 3. Nanook: 1. Shaggy, 2., 3. Dirx: 1. Shaggy, 2., 3. Mentalguy: 1. Shaggy, 2., 3. peekercpa: 1. Sister Coyote, 2. Shaggy, 3.
Totals: Shaggy (23): (Special Ed 1st), (Sis Coyote 1st), (Redskeezix 1st), (luvbfwc 1st), (nanook 1st), (Dirx 1st), (mentalguy 1st), (peekercpa 2nd) Sister Coyote (9): (paulwhois 1st), (shaggy 1st), (peekercpa 1st) Nanook (2): (Sis Coyote 2nd)
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