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Night 3
Mar 14, 2010 18:22:14 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Mar 14, 2010 18:22:14 GMT -5
The Day went by pretty smoothly. After a call for votes, the cries went up.
"Sister Coyote!" "Sissy!" "SisC!" "Sista'!" "Sis--no, wait, Shaggy!" "Yeah, Shaggy!" "Shaggy!" "Get him!" "Shaggy!" "Special Ed!"
So they grabbed him, and tied him up, and threw him off the back of the boat. Shaggy tried to use his Jump Jets like a motorboat, but an obstacle course got in the way...16 times he tried, and 16 times he failed, until he ran out of continues. Oh well. Even if he had won, there's no way he could beat the Plane level and the Rat Race level and the Hypno-Disk level.
Shaggy (ROB), a PFK Robomancer/Mad Bomber/Redirector/Commuter, is dead.
Everyone ran to the boiler room. Were the roboticized bodies still robots? Actually, yes, they were.
It is now Night 3. Day 4 starts at 7:20 PM EDT on Tuesday, March 16. All Night Actions in by then, etc. etc.
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Night 3
Mar 14, 2010 18:22:57 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Mar 14, 2010 18:22:57 GMT -5
A Robomancer is like a necromancer, except with robots instead of corpses.
A Commuter can self-protect, but can't twice in a a row.
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Night 3
Mar 14, 2010 18:25:59 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Mar 14, 2010 18:25:59 GMT -5
whoopee dee fucking doo.
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Night 3
Mar 14, 2010 18:27:15 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Mar 14, 2010 18:27:15 GMT -5
neta: said with a touch of sarcasm. this is not going to help town win, fcs.
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Night 3
Mar 14, 2010 18:31:40 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 14, 2010 18:31:40 GMT -5
neta: said with a touch of sarcasm. this is not going to help town win, fcs. it's no different than had we lynched Sister and then went after shaggy toNight. Except, on the small chance that shaggy could have won toNight or at Dawn is eliminated. If luv is honest, and we all target Sister toNight, either she dies or we lynch her toMorrow, same as would have happened to shaggy. So, since the results are the same, it made more sense to lynch shaggy first.
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Night 3
Mar 14, 2010 18:35:26 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 14, 2010 18:35:26 GMT -5
here's the power I got:
Very very odd. I'm not sure why shaggy would have had an investigative power. Maybe that's just why I got because I already have a killing power.
So, I can Use my fire sword thing on someone or I can investigate. Which might be moot if luv is honest.
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Night 3
Mar 14, 2010 19:38:43 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Mar 14, 2010 19:38:43 GMT -5
neta: said with a touch of sarcasm. this is not going to help town win, fcs. it's no different than had we lynched Sister and then went after shaggy toNight. Except, on the small chance that shaggy could have won toNight or at Dawn is eliminated. If luv is honest, and we all target Sister toNight, either she dies or we lynch her toMorrow, same as would have happened to shaggy. So, since the results are the same, it made more sense to lynch shaggy first. au contraire. there is a HUGE difference. scum would welcome town taking out a third party whenever. but they would most assuredly love to have them out of the running by a town lynch. and they would dearly love to leave it up to a whole bunch of fucking Night powers that, literally, depending on how the mod plays it out could go fucking anywhere. sorry, ed and the rest of you folks we did this bas ackwards and now who knows what the heck will happen. matter of fact ifwe follow through with the einstein plan to have everyone target sis tonight a whole crap load of deniability rears its head. plus who the fug knows what will be the result. yep, that's pretty scummy.
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Night 3
Mar 14, 2010 19:50:44 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Mar 14, 2010 19:50:44 GMT -5
and they would dearly love to leave it up to a whole bunch of fucking Night powers that, literally, depending on how the mod plays it out could go fucking anywhere. Not me. I already know how everything interacts with everything else. It's you guys that are steering the game.
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Night 3
Mar 14, 2010 20:01:16 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 14, 2010 20:01:16 GMT -5
it's no different than had we lynched Sister and then went after shaggy toNight. Except, on the small chance that shaggy could have won toNight or at Dawn is eliminated. If luv is honest, and we all target Sister toNight, either she dies or we lynch her toMorrow, same as would have happened to shaggy. So, since the results are the same, it made more sense to lynch shaggy first. au contraire. there is a HUGE difference. scum would welcome town taking out a third party whenever. but they would most assuredly love to have them out of the running by a town lynch. and they would dearly love to leave it up to a whole bunch of fucking Night powers that, literally, depending on how the mod plays it out could go fucking anywhere. sorry, ed and the rest of you folks we did this bas ackwards and now who knows what the heck will happen. matter of fact ifwe follow through with the einstein plan to have everyone target sis tonight a whole crap load of deniability rears its head. plus who the fug knows what will be the result. yep, that's pretty scummy. yes, Scum would love for the lynch to take out a PFK. and Town would love for the Scum to NK a PFK. However, the team that's losing (and in this case, the Scum are losing) cannot afford to take out a PFK. Imagine this, we lynched Sister. There's 1 or 2 Scum left (I'm thinking 1). Do you think they'd go for the PFK toNight? not a chance. So, we'd be even more pressed to take out the PFK toMorrow. because it would suck to beat the Scum and still lose the game. So, in this case, it was incumbent on us to lynch the PFK. And I still think it was better to lynch the PFK who we _might_ have lost to toNight or toMorrow and get the Scum later. We couldn't have lost to the Scum toNight or toMorrow. and it seems like a few people agreed with me. Now, you can still suspect me for keeping a clean nose despite the fact that it seems like I keep sticking my neck out suggesting actions for us to take, while you just sit back and take random potshots at people from the safety of your claimed mason position. (I will give you that you were right on drain, but even a random guess is going to be correct sometimes.
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Night 3
Mar 14, 2010 20:19:11 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Mar 14, 2010 20:19:11 GMT -5
what i was trying to infer was that with the powers that are supposedly town aligned that it would have made much more sense to get rid of sis via lynch than go for a fucking clusterfucking fuck toNight and have town take out someone that scum wants gone anyways.
and shit, scum would rather have a clearly defined target that they can fuck with that might be helpful to their cause as opposed to someone they potentially need dead.
aaaiiiieeeee.
and it wasn't fucking random.
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Night 3
Mar 14, 2010 20:29:33 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Mar 14, 2010 20:29:33 GMT -5
and they would dearly love to leave it up to a whole bunch of fucking Night powers that, literally, depending on how the mod plays it out could go fucking anywhere. Not me. I already know how everything interacts with everything else. It's you guys that are steering the game. care to share?
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Night 3
Mar 14, 2010 20:33:41 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 14, 2010 20:33:41 GMT -5
what i was trying to infer was that with the powers that are supposedly town aligned that it would have made much more sense to get rid of sis via lynch than go for a fucking clusterfucking fuck toNight and have town take out someone that scum wants gone anyways. and shit, scum would rather have a clearly defined target that they can fuck with that might be helpful to their cause as opposed to someone they potentially need dead. aaaiiiieeeee. and it wasn't fucking random. but, wouldn't we have said the very same clusterfuck trying to get rid of shaggy toNight? OK, granted the Scum would be down Sister's power, but shaggy would certainly be fucking with us. And he seemed to have claimed 3 powers he could use simultaneously...and got a completely different power from him. or were you going to suggest allowing him to live through the Night? It's not that complicated. We can't let either of them live. We must make every effort to kill both of them. I just suggested that we kill the one who could potentially win sooner. You felt like taking out the probable Scum instead.
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Night 3
Mar 14, 2010 22:32:18 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Mar 14, 2010 22:32:18 GMT -5
I would've pushed the sister lynch harder since it was the one I preferred, but shaggy claimed he could self protect at night, so I didn't want to risk trying to get him at night. And since the mod confirmed that he was a commuter which implies that his self-protection was unblockable, vis a vis a commuter usually can't be a target at all on nights that they commute, so it might have worked out for the better.
At this point I would ask that no one other than luv, who is using his all-redirect power, target sister c this evening. It would be a poor test of luv's claim if everyone targetted sister c this evening in anticipation of him redirecting everyone anyways.
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Night 3
Mar 14, 2010 22:38:25 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Mar 14, 2010 22:38:25 GMT -5
I have no intentions of targeting SisC tonight or really any Night.
I don't quite grasp what you're on about here Peeker. I don't think Shaggy was going to win Tonight, but neither are the scum. Further, doing it this way removes what could have been one ugly situation with Shaggy's powers. I get the impression you don't think we're going to learn anything Tonight, but I disagree. If everything DOESN"T get redirected to Sis, then we're going to learn something very important. And if it does, maybe SIs will be dead and maybe she won't, but either way we'll have learned something else.
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Night 3
Mar 15, 2010 2:02:17 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on Mar 15, 2010 2:02:17 GMT -5
I have pm'd ped to find out if my power forces people to use theirs or only works if you choose to target someone. If all your powers are voluntary, and you're choosing not to use them at all, then I don't know what the result would be.
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Night 3
Mar 15, 2010 12:58:00 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Mar 15, 2010 12:58:00 GMT -5
the point i was trying to make is that 3rd parties make town fell good by lynching them. one less threat, right. but the reality is that getting rid of them doesn't help elminate scum, which is town's primary goal. matter of fact they to some extent represent a confirmed so getting rid of them just keeps the unconfirmed pool in play that much longer. i think most of the folks that characterize their lynch is that it should only count as a half mis lynch. non a half lynch but a half mis lynch.
but what's done is done. let's just move on.
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Night 3
Mar 15, 2010 16:22:02 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 15, 2010 16:22:02 GMT -5
the point i was trying to make is that 3rd parties make town fell good by lynching them. one less threat, right. but the reality is that getting rid of them doesn't help elminate scum, which is town's primary goal. matter of fact they to some extent represent a confirmed so getting rid of them just keeps the unconfirmed pool in play that much longer. i think most of the folks that characterize their lynch is that it should only count as a half mis lynch. non a half lynch but a half mis lynch. but what's done is done. let's just move on. Our primary goal is to win. It's true we have to eliminate the Scum to do so, but we must also eliminate the PFKs to do so. Granted, we can often hope that PFKs take out some Scum and Scum take out some PFKs, but in this case, It seemed pretty apparent that shaggy was PFK. We couldn't count on the Scum to take him out, because we're actually doing well against them. We could afford the half-mislynch, and they couldn't afford the opportunity to take out a more trusted Townie. Anyway, this discussion won't gt us anywhere , whimsically or not. ;D So, which action should I use toNight?
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Night 3
Mar 15, 2010 16:36:59 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Mar 15, 2010 16:36:59 GMT -5
can you blow yourself up and become an excedrin pm?
course that means i'd have to swallow you which kind of makes me want to vomit.
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Night 3
Mar 15, 2010 17:33:30 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on Mar 15, 2010 17:33:30 GMT -5
ppl who don't act will not be redirected.
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Night 3
Mar 15, 2010 17:47:06 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Mar 15, 2010 17:47:06 GMT -5
So what happens if Scum have a roleblocking power and use it on Luv? we are screwed that's what. I say, if you can do it, take out SisC.
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Night 3
Mar 15, 2010 17:53:30 GMT -5
Post by Dirx on Mar 15, 2010 17:53:30 GMT -5
Our primary goal is to win. It's true we have to eliminate the Scum to do so, but we must also eliminate the PFKs to do so. Granted, we can often hope that PFKs take out some Scum and Scum take out some PFKs, but in this case, It seemed pretty apparent that shaggy was PFK. We couldn't count on the Scum to take him out, because we're actually doing well against them. We could afford the half-mislynch, and they couldn't afford the opportunity to take out a more trusted Townie. Anyway, this discussion won't gt us anywhere , whimsically or not. ;D So, which action should I use toNight? How about your investigative power? On the off chance that luv is lying or something goes wrong, you can try to get a bead on another player. Or, if we're fairly certain that things are gonna go down the way luv is predicting, spend a charge of one of your other powers since it shouldn't matter what you do anyway, in that case. So what happens if Scum have a roleblocking power and use it on Luv? we are screwed that's what. I say, if you can do it, take out SisC. I would think that the roleblock would also be redirected, unless it somehow has precedence. But if luv is telling the truth about about his power, then from the sound of things, I imagine it takes precedence over most other actions.
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Night 3
Mar 15, 2010 17:55:32 GMT -5
Post by Dirx on Mar 15, 2010 17:55:32 GMT -5
Also, paul, care to tell us about your not-punch in the Day thread? Why you did it? Did you think you might have another charge? And if that was the case, why not target Sis with it?
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Night 3
Mar 15, 2010 18:07:23 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 15, 2010 18:07:23 GMT -5
I have 2 thoughts on what to do.
My first thought was to aim a kill at luv. Then, if he's lying, I should be able to kill him.
However, the point of there being a scum roleblocker roleblocking him comes up. It's a small chance though, wasn't drain a roleblocker?
My second thought it to aim a kill at Sister. They shouldn't be able to block luv and myself.
Then a thought occurred to me, what if they have a redirector/bus driver type. They could swap Sister with someone else. (If it goes through before luvs action). Or if they redirect a person instead of a target, all of our actions could end up targeting someone aside from Sister. If they have that power, anything we do is a crap shoot.
Personally, I could also do nothing. None of my powers were labeled compulsory.
So maybe an investigation isn't the worst case of action.
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Night 3
Mar 15, 2010 18:58:22 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Mar 15, 2010 18:58:22 GMT -5
So what happens if Scum have a roleblocking power and use it on Luv? we are screwed that's what. I say, if you can do it, take out SisC. You mean like Drain was? I'll say it flat out, there's no way in hell the Scum have two roleblockers.
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Night 3
Mar 15, 2010 19:10:07 GMT -5
Post by Dirx on Mar 15, 2010 19:10:07 GMT -5
I have 2 thoughts on what to do. My first thought was to aim a kill at luv. Then, if he's lying, I should be able to kill him. However, the point of there being a scum roleblocker roleblocking him comes up. It's a small chance though, wasn't drain a roleblocker? My second thought it to aim a kill at Sister. They shouldn't be able to block luv and myself. Then a thought occurred to me, what if they have a redirector/bus driver type. They could swap Sister with someone else. (If it goes through before luvs action). Or if they redirect a person instead of a target, all of our actions could end up targeting someone aside from Sister. If they have that power, anything we do is a crap shoot. Personally, I could also do nothing. None of my powers were labeled compulsory. So maybe an investigation isn't the worst case of action. I'll take care of Sister. Unless there's no redirection or blocking or anything and I get a clear, clean shot, in which case I won't... But I do kinda like your "kill luv" idea. If he's telling the truth, then nothing happens. If he's lying, then he dies. Well, unless someone interferes with your action, which is probably likely given that I think scum have a redirector still... Ok, so maybe investigation is still better.
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Night 3
Mar 15, 2010 20:41:15 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 15, 2010 20:41:15 GMT -5
So what happens if Scum have a roleblocking power and use it on Luv? we are screwed that's what. I say, if you can do it, take out SisC. You mean like Drain was? I'll say it flat out, there's no way in hell the Scum have two roleblockers. a redirector or bus driver would be just as lethal
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Night 3
Mar 15, 2010 21:51:50 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Mar 15, 2010 21:51:50 GMT -5
Also, paul, care to tell us about your not-punch in the Day thread? Why you did it? Did you think you might have another charge? And if that was the case, why not target Sis with it? Nah... there was no discussion going on, and I was bored, and Pede made it very clear that I only had one charge and I had used it... so I was just foolin.
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Night 3
Mar 15, 2010 21:53:07 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Mar 15, 2010 21:53:07 GMT -5
So what happens if Scum have a roleblocking power and use it on Luv? we are screwed that's what. I say, if you can do it, take out SisC. You mean like Drain was? I'll say it flat out, there's no way in hell the Scum have two roleblockers. I didn't say a roleblocker. I said a role block power. Ed has multiple powers... what's to say that scum don't also have a role with multiple limited use powers?
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Night 3
Mar 15, 2010 22:01:14 GMT -5
Post by Dirx on Mar 15, 2010 22:01:14 GMT -5
Furthermore, what's to say that scum player isn't Ed? But seriously, are any of us actually worried some redirect or block or kill or whatever will mess up luv's power (assuming, for the time being, he's telling the truth about it)? Because I think that kinda goes against the whole point of a mass-redirect.
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Night 3
Mar 16, 2010 13:19:20 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Mar 16, 2010 13:19:20 GMT -5
Furthermore, what's to say that scum player isn't Ed? But seriously, are any of us actually worried some redirect or block or kill or whatever will mess up luv's power (assuming, for the time being, he's telling the truth about it)? Because I think that kinda goes against the whole point of a mass-redirect. yeh, this is pretty much genius.
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