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Day 4
Mar 18, 2010 7:20:39 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Mar 18, 2010 7:20:39 GMT -5
hee hee a powered masonry, an investigator, AND a powered masonry? 'course there could be a powered masonry as well. 3. Peeker also agrees that your role does sound scum-like. rut roh
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Day 4
Mar 18, 2010 8:03:14 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Mar 18, 2010 8:03:14 GMT -5
[peeker's head from his ass] well, i already kind of stack ranked you folks in order of suspicion. i really think from a balance stand point that all claims could be mixed and matched in a variety of ways to achieve balance. and of course i am biased but i know that as a watcher that certainly makes me not scum or 3rd party. i mean seriously what is the point? so just knock it off ed. but i keep going back to the way that the falcon punch was administered. my recollection, was obtw i have this power and geez fellers what do you think. some traction was made against is and then WHAM.
smells like a scum move based on townie input to deflect accountability.
and ed i swear this is not personal. but a role that is predicated on timing just doesn't feel all that copacetic, either. i mean rl stuff happens and sometimes timing can be gamed for a bit but for the entire game, less so. so i can see a non town using this as a basis for having little to no accountability for where their vote goes. i mean, crap if you were coca cola you'd still be stuck on niller. no offense nookie.
unvote all
vote 3 pts paul vote 2 pts ed [/peeker's head from his ass]
p.s. and i swear paul's comment had no input on this exercise. this may be the very worst game i have ever played from a being in touch standpoint. the fact that i fingered sis and drain not withstanding. i promise you it was pure luck, wink wink nudge nudge.
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Day 4
Mar 18, 2010 9:23:14 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 18, 2010 9:23:14 GMT -5
[quote author=peekercpa board=aggressivenegotiations thread=1314 post=61666 time=1268917394 and ed i swear this is not personal. but a role that is predicated on timing just doesn't feel all that copacetic, either. i mean rl stuff happens and sometimes timing can be gamed for a bit but for the entire game, less so. so i can see a non town using this as a basis for having little to no accountability for where their vote goes. i mean, crap if you were coca cola you'd still be stuck on niller. no offense nookie.[/quote]
and don't think I haven't complained to pede about this.
but it's like peek to try novel approaches. If you remember the first game with the poisoner mechanic. and the Scum mason. (and, honestly, I think maybe Pede wanted to try that again but with a non-harmful to Town Mason, which makes me lean toward believing you)
as to believing you as a watcher, yeah, it makes me more likely to give you Townie cred. Last Night's results don't mean anything, everyone knew who was going to be visiting Sister if luv was honest. But the Night before having sen shaggy visit red before he admitted to that makes me believe the watcher claim. And you're way down on my suspicion list especially after the drain lynch. But there's still just a nagging doubt that you could potentially be 3rd party. Maybe I can remedy that toNight with an investigation, though I might benefit from a different investigation more.
As to faulting paul for killing Inner, I think a lot of us were pushing for that. A Townie paul would have been encouraged to make the Vig. In the same vein, a Scum paul would have loved to take out a protective role as well. (who, at that point was a paranoid Doc/Avenger...it must have sounded scary to the Scum)
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Day 4
Mar 18, 2010 9:30:15 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 18, 2010 9:30:15 GMT -5
NETA
[quote author=special board=aggressivenegotiations thread=1314 post=61667 time=1268922194 but it's like peek pede to try novel approaches....
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Day 4
Mar 18, 2010 12:04:36 GMT -5
Post by Dirx on Mar 18, 2010 12:04:36 GMT -5
I vote option #3 (pede planned it all out ahead of time).
In the games, Mega Man didn't always get exactly the same powers as the bosses. They were often similar, or somehow related. I very seriously doubt shaggy had any investigative power in addition to everything else, and I also doubt drain had an extra killing power aside from the typical scum kill.
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Day 4
Mar 18, 2010 12:06:00 GMT -5
Post by Dirx on Mar 18, 2010 12:06:00 GMT -5
Oh, hey, there's another page. The above post was in response to Ed's #59, from page 2...
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Day 4
Mar 18, 2010 17:13:02 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Mar 18, 2010 17:13:02 GMT -5
So... like I say everytime I am town and in the situation of getting lynched..... which happens more often than I like to admit.... Lynch me today if you must, it will probably do the least damage of all possible mislynches, but don't stop looking for scum Today simply because you've settled on killing me Today. Look back on all the games you have played with me where I was Town. Everytime I am up for lynch I say this, and people hoot and holler about me not looking for scum and that I shouldn't tell them to look elsewhere... that it just makes them more suspicious of me. And everytime I have made this little speech, I get lynched, and then town realizes they wasted the whole Day discussing me. Me going bye-bye.... not such a big deal. Town wasting a whole Day talking about it and not trying to find scum..... big deal.
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Day 4
Mar 18, 2010 17:55:40 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 18, 2010 17:55:40 GMT -5
So... like I say everytime I am town and in the situation of getting lynched..... which happens more often than I like to admit.... Lynch me today if you must, it will probably do the least damage of all possible mislynches, but don't stop looking for scum Today simply because you've settled on killing me Today. Look back on all the games you have played with me where I was Town. Everytime I am up for lynch I say this, and people hoot and holler about me not looking for scum and that I shouldn't tell them to look elsewhere... that it just makes them more suspicious of me. And everytime I have made this little speech, I get lynched, and then town realizes they wasted the whole Day discussing me. Me going bye-bye.... not such a big deal. Town wasting a whole Day talking about it and not trying to find scum..... big deal. oh lordy, I hate good bye speeches almost as much as I hate Day 1 unproviked Vanilla claims. *twitch* Especially with the 'everytime this happens I'm Town' and, you know what, I bet you were wanting me to go back through other games like I did with Archangel in Princess Bride to prove her goodbye speech claims invalid. (and if you weren't why did you instruct us to look? Why don't you go look yourself and find it for us?) You're telling us not to waste our time talking about you, but to waste our time going back and looking at other games? It's also meaningless. I could say every time I'm Town, I pick my nose. and look! I'm picking my nose, so I must be Town! You're pissing me off because you're a better player than this if you're Town. And you're not too conservative to play a wild gambit. What game was that where you claimed some sort of investigator and tried to get my lynched. Remember, with Sister as a remrseful Vig? I know there wasn't a goodbye speech in that one because you died as outed Scum.
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Day 4
Mar 18, 2010 18:27:04 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 18, 2010 18:27:04 GMT -5
PS
and everytime I go on rants like this, I'm Town. Go back and check games for my rants, you'll see. But let's not waste time talking about my rants, kthxbye
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Day 4
Mar 18, 2010 20:54:20 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Mar 18, 2010 20:54:20 GMT -5
every time i pick my nose i am fishing out a booger. really doesn't have a lot to do with my in game alignment.
but i get the point ed.
and paul, i appreciate your pov. because typically i am more along the lines of "fuck you. bunch of idiots". but you can still help out if that is the way you feel.
sure i've got a three pointer on you. don't know where skeez is but that is a nine vote potential swing. i mean you are in a group of four that i really could go either way with. try to convince me that dirx or nook is scum. shoot the masons already have a hard on for ed so he could be another. i can safely predict at the end of this day skeez and i will vote the same way. that's six votes, with someone else that makes nine. can't see much more of a consensus forming than that at this point.
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Day 4
Mar 18, 2010 21:37:04 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Mar 18, 2010 21:37:04 GMT -5
redskeezix: 1. Mentalguy, 2., 3. paulwhoisaghost: 1. Special Ed, 2. Mentalguy Special Ed: 1. paulwhoisaghost mentalguy: 1. paulwhoisaghost peekercpa: 1. paulwhoisaghost, 2. Ed, 3.
Totals: paulwhoisaghost (9): (Special Ed 1st), (mentalguy 1st), (peekercpa 1st) Special Ed (5): (paulwhoisaghost 1st), (peekercpa 2nd) Mentalguy (5): (redskeezix 1st), (paulwhoisaghost 2nd)
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Day 4
Mar 18, 2010 22:34:11 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Mar 18, 2010 22:34:11 GMT -5
So... like I say everytime I am town and in the situation of getting lynched..... which happens more often than I like to admit.... Lynch me today if you must, it will probably do the least damage of all possible mislynches, but don't stop looking for scum Today simply because you've settled on killing me Today. Look back on all the games you have played with me where I was Town. Everytime I am up for lynch I say this, and people hoot and holler about me not looking for scum and that I shouldn't tell them to look elsewhere... that it just makes them more suspicious of me. And everytime I have made this little speech, I get lynched, and then town realizes they wasted the whole Day discussing me. Me going bye-bye.... not such a big deal. Town wasting a whole Day talking about it and not trying to find scum..... big deal. oh lordy, I hate good bye speeches almost as much as I hate Day 1 unproviked Vanilla claims. *twitch* Especially with the 'everytime this happens I'm Town' and, you know what, I bet you were wanting me to go back through other games like I did with Archangel in Princess Bride to prove her goodbye speech claims invalid. (and if you weren't why did you instruct us to look? Why don't you go look yourself and find it for us?) You're telling us not to waste our time talking about you, but to waste our time going back and looking at other games? It's also meaningless. I could say every time I'm Town, I pick my nose. and look! I'm picking my nose, so I must be Town! You're pissing me off because you're a better player than this if you're Town. And you're not too conservative to play a wild gambit. What game was that where you claimed some sort of investigator and tried to get my lynched. Remember, with Sister as a remrseful Vig? I know there wasn't a goodbye speech in that one because you died as outed Scum. I'm not good as town. I'm good at lying. I'm good at wild gambits. As town, when I am pretty much restricted to telling the truth, I suck. The game you are talking about was Alpha Centauri btw... one of the funnest games I have played.
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Day 4
Mar 18, 2010 22:54:49 GMT -5
Post by MentalGuy on Mar 18, 2010 22:54:49 GMT -5
With us having eliminated three scum, I am not worried about us being at lynch or lose in regard the the scum team. There are, however, six robots and only eight of us remaining. I don't know if the robots still mean anything with Shaggy dead, but with a lynch toDay and a NK toNight along with possibly two more robots, we may be looking at a robot apocalypse. I am not sure there is anything we can do to prevent it. I can use my magnetic gloves, but I don't know what they do and I assume it will only affect one robot anyway. That said, I assume if we lynch the final scum toDay (I am assuming there is only one more due to the beginning numbers), we could end the game with a Town win. It looks as if everyone has the powers they claim, but I don't really see anyway to totally confirm anyone (I pretty much consider Nanook confirmed, though). I am going to have to go back and look over Dirx, but I think paul is the most likely scum. With Meeko being a half-vig and Dirx having a killing power(I know we don't know for sure Dirx is Town), I think paul's is the most likely to balance that out somewhat. He also readily jumped in to vig a Town player and did it at an early point in the game where it would not look so fishy. On top of that I agree with Ed's analysis of his play toDay. Vote: paulwhoisaghost (3 points) [/color] As I said, I still need to take a look at Dirx and I also had some suspicion of luv that I want to review, but paul is definitely my top suspect. [/quote] So wait a second... you think I balance out the scum team? I had one day kill, and somehow that added to a roleblocker, a negator, and an investigator/id doctor somehow balances out against 3 protection powers (one of which cannot be redirected, 2 killing powers, a depowerer, a lover role that kills anyone who kills the other lover, a player who gains an ability from pretty much anyone who gets lynched, an inventor, a powered masonry, an investigator, AND a powered masonry? I think you need to recheck you math. One single extra kill would not balance it out. Both you and Ed have provided weak reasonings to mask your OMGUS votes against me. Do better. My case may be weak against you, but yours' is laughable at best. If you are intent on lynching me Today you better start thinking about who you want to lynch Tomorrow right now. [/quote] I tried to post something like this last Night and the board kept eating it. I am being a little smarter tonight and writing it in Notepad first so I will still have it when it disappears. I did not say that you balanced out the scum team (at least not the way you are representing it). You make it sound like I was saying that you being on the scum team makes things perfect balance wise. I was simply saying that with the big group of Town roles we know of, it makes more sense for you to be on the scum side. Think about what you said above. If you feel that you would not be able to balance Town because they have too much power, it would not make sense to add you to Town's powers. My vote is not OMGUS. I know the players that are left in the game. With the powers that have been displayed, I think it makes the most sense for you to be the (a?) remaining scum. peeker and red are masons. I realize that does not guarantee they are Town, especially with what we have seen so far, but I doubt they are scum. luv just orchestrated a NightKill of a scum. And Dirx apparently vigged a scum. Now scum could have done this, I just find it highly unlikely. Nanook counterclaimed Sister, and Sister flipped scum. Again, scum could have done that, but I am not going to bet that way. That leaves me, you, and Ed. Obviously, I can eliminate me. I am not totally convinced of Ed's Towniness, but I lean more toward him being Town than I do you. It seems to me you have misrepresented several things in your post. 1. Making it sound like I thought your role made the game perfectly balanced. 2. Outlining all the power that Town had, but not taking into consideration there drawbacks. 3. Categorizing my vote as OMGUS even though I have made no complaint about you voting me. I find misrepresentation is often a scum trait. I have thought about who I want to lynch toMorrow if you flip Town and that is Ed for the reasons I have mentioned. If he were to flip Town also, then I would have to figure some scum made a really ballsy move and look at the other players again.
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Day 4
Mar 18, 2010 23:08:21 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Mar 18, 2010 23:08:21 GMT -5
Unvote: all
I'm still trying to organize my thoughts, but the heavy handed lynches that have rendered any voting analysis even more useless.
Here's what I'm thinking about living players.
There is a lot of killers in this game, possible scenarios:
1. Dirx is a scum strongman. 2. Paul is a scum toughguy. 3. Sinjin was town power remover, Bill was third party power thief, is Ed a scum power thief?
Some other observations:
Drain provided a weak defense of paul day 1, implying that being suspicious of meeko and paul meant that I had to believe that they were scum fighting.
Mentalguy has been relatively quiet this game. I have no read on him, last time I had no read on him he was scum. Completely meta.
Luv- actor-redirect is not usually a scum power, usually target-redirect is the scum variant, IME anyways.
Sister and FCoD didn't make many waves so it's hard to decipher their actions.
Day 1 FCoD voted both meeko and ed during their fight, It would have been a good way to have a weak bus/ scum alibi later if ed got lynched and rolled scum. (If ed was scum).
Day 2 Sister C voted Dirx and was alone in that, I've noted that dirx was pretty quiet earlier on. But picked up. I'm not sure if sister c was doing a safe one off, or bussing a fellow scum. Borda leaves something to be desired here.
I'll be back in the morning with a vote I think. ATM I'm leaning towards an ed or dirx lynch, but maybe paul.
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Day 4
Mar 18, 2010 23:33:57 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 18, 2010 23:33:57 GMT -5
Just a point on our Scum hunting this game. Look at the 2 previous posts.
Mental guy assumes much of what has been claimed is true. He assumes luv did the mass-redirect as claimed and Dirx killed the person he claimed to. While it is quite plausible and perhaps even probable, we really can't be certain things went down the way people claimed.
Red doesn't fall into the same traps. At least not as much. He does assume that luv had the power as claimed.
I might not be making sense, as I took a bit of nyquil and have been watching a lot of basketball.
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Day 4
Mar 18, 2010 23:54:31 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Mar 18, 2010 23:54:31 GMT -5
Ed, It's easier to make the assumption with luv's claim since tonight I can just ask him to redirect a specific player onto another player. If he is able to do so then the power claimed is accurate. (This is something I'm planning since we seem to have more redirects than claimed redirectors). If he is unable, then he is lying about his power, and we lynch his ass.
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Day 4
Mar 19, 2010 0:51:15 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Mar 19, 2010 0:51:15 GMT -5
Disbelieving Luv's claim requires a whole slew of people to be lying. Peeker was redirected onto Sister, as was I. And Peeker can confirm that was I on Sister last Night. Are we all lying? How many scum do you think are left? No, luv is certainly telling the truth about his power. Now whether or not luv is TOWN is a different question altogether. I'm leaning towards yes personally, but that's only my opinion.
I'm not willing to give Dirx a pass just because he claimed FCoD's death. He's not the best choice for Today though.
Mental, like luv, certainly has the role he has claimed, since both peeker and I have been blocked by him. But again, like luv it tells us nothing about his alignment per se. Again, like luv, I am leaning Town atm though.
Basically, it comes down to Paul and Ed. Ed's claim bugs me. But to my mind he's been playing pretty pro-Town this game. I'm just not willing to lynch someone over a claim when the evidence points the other way.
Paul's power works as a scum. We had at least two doctor types on the Town side, and that is nicely balanced out by a scum day killer. His claim that his power is suicide for scum is specious at best, since he didn't get heat for it before Today. The way he jumped all over IS instead of SisC when both were legimate choices is interesting. A scum Paul would know for a fact that IS was telling the truth, and would see an easy chance to take out a Townie and be able to try and deflect heat for it. "Oh everyone wanted me to kill IS, how was I to know she was town?"
I guess I've talked myself into it.
Vote: paul
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Day 4
Mar 19, 2010 1:58:04 GMT -5
Post by Dirx on Mar 19, 2010 1:58:04 GMT -5
Day 2 Sister C voted Dirx and was alone in that, I've noted that dirx was pretty quiet earlier on. But picked up. I'm not sure if sister c was doing a safe one off, or bussing a fellow scum. Borda leaves something to be desired here. I'll be back in the morning with a vote I think. ATM I'm leaning towards an ed or dirx lynch, but maybe paul. That's pretty much my M.O., though. Unless something really interesting happens, I don't have much to say until the game progresses a little. With more Night actions and player interactions, I start thinking out loud a little more. That said, I still feel kinda quiet in this game. If you guys decide to lynch me, I understand. Like I said before, based on my role's color, I wouldn't trust me either. The Night I killed FCoD, I was actually really hoping Sister Coyote would investigate me. If I had guessed wrong, and FCoD had flipped town, then I knew that both my role claim and owning up to his death would put me in the noose right quick, so I hoped Sis (who had voted for me that Day), would have investigated me and could back me up if necessary. I've done my part, though, and killed a very powerful scum role (and possibly a second--we'll have to wait to see who deserves credit for Sis's death ;D). In a lot of games I play, I don't feel like I contribute significantly except as Night Kill fodder. I feel good about how I've done in this one. Ed, It's easier to make the assumption with luv's claim since tonight I can just ask him to redirect a specific player onto another player. If he is able to do so then the power claimed is accurate. (This is something I'm planning since we seem to have more redirects than claimed redirectors). If he is unable, then he is lying about his power, and we lynch his ass. Are you sure we have an extra redirect? The unexplained redirect from Night 2 was claimed by Scummy Sister Coyote. I think it's more likely that she wasn't redirected at all, and just claimed it to avoid having to make up investigation results. Though there is the matter of Ed's failed Night action (see below). out of the players left...: peeker -- claim ____, mason + watcher Special Ed -- claim Megaman, modular luvbwfc -- claim Sami, redirector redskeezix -- claim Sonic, mason + ____ mentalguy -- claim Link, inventor paul -- claim Captain Falcon, one-shot Day vig Dirx -- claim Master Chief, hitman Nanook -- claim Luigi, detective I trust the masons, for obvious reasons. I know that I am town. I trust Nanook, because I find it hard to believe that town wouldn't have an investigator at all, and no one else has counter-claimed him save for the late Sister Coyote. So that leaves: Special Ed luvbwfc mentalguy paul Ed's claimed power would be pretty strong in scum hands, but I don't think I'd put it past our mod to do that. Ed claims his Night action on Night 2 did not go through. A block seems more likely than a redirect, since other players appear to be informed when they're redirected. But who could/would have blocked him? drainbead was lynched that Day, so it couldn't have been her. Mentalguy tried blocking meeko, but was redirected by luv onto Nanook, who did claim to be blocked. If mentalguy was responsible for blocking Ed, then that would mean he and luv and Nanook all lied, and if we have three remaining scum, then I will eat every hat I own. FCoD could have targetted Ed, but then that doesn't explain how I managed to kill him. Either someone had to try blocking or redirecting me, or someone was protecting FCoD. Since he himself was a doc, I assume he self-protected in this case. So either Ed is lying about his Night action, or scum have another blocking power available. I find the latter a little hard to swallow. Another possibility is that maybe Red's unclaimed power accounts for this, in which case I would really like it if he came forward about it. luv is a redirector, and that is certainly a power I would expect scum to have in this game. Doc, investigator, roleblocker, ____. It fits. Though so does a player with an extra kill, or a player who can kill despite protective actions. I will, of course, rule out myself from this list. A potential point in his favour is the mass redirect onto Sis. But even if he were scum, doing that was still in his best interest. He could have redirected players elsewhere, but that would have ensured his lynch Today anyway. And, he would have known that his redirect likely wouldn't have affected me, and I would have still killed Sis. A complete loss, in other words; especially if he's the last scum. Since it's late and I'm not up for a reread right now, I'll just ask: luvbwfc: can you tell us again why you redirected the players you did on Nights 1 and 2? Also, had mentalguy openly claimed he would block meeko's kill? mentalguy... I don't really know. I don't think I'm aware of any scum inventors, but I guess it doesn't seem that farfetched either. He said he tried to block meeko's kill on Night 2. This could go either way. Townie, since meeko didn't want to have to kill, and blocking said kill made him feel better and not have to worry about hitting town. Scummy, since scum would definitely like to limit town's attempts to kill. Granted, that early in the game, it's less likely to hit a scum player, but it can still happen. Idunno. I don't really have much of a read on him either way. paul, I'm always suspicious of. Because he's paul. And he seems to be scum frighteningly often. And I tend to disagree with him on methodology and whatnot. None of these are good reasons to vote for him, though. I will note, though, that as scum, he does make ballsy plays. I wouldn't put anything past him. For the moment, I think I'm going to Vote: luvbwfc (3pts) I think, in terms of remaining powers, a redirector is more likely than a one-shot scum Day-kill. I also think it's more likely Ed lied about being blocked than there being another scum roleblocker of sorts, but I don't know if it's worth diluting my vote by placing a 1- or 2pt vote on him. I should have time either Friday night or Saturday morning to reevaluate my vote, based on the responses I get.
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Day 4
Mar 19, 2010 2:35:57 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on Mar 19, 2010 2:35:57 GMT -5
Just a point on our Scum hunting this game. Look at the 2 previous posts. Mental guy assumes much of what has been claimed is true. He assumes luv did the mass-redirect as claimed and Dirx killed the person he claimed to. While it is quite plausible and perhaps even probable, we really can't be certain things went down the way people claimed. Red doesn't fall into the same traps. At least not as much. He does assume that luv had the power as claimed. I might not be making sense, as I took a bit of nyquil and have been watching a lot of basketball. I could understand you questioning my alignment, but not my power. I think it is pretty damn clear the mass redirect went down as advertised. Do you have some reason for wanting people to mistrust me? vote 3 pts Special Ed
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Day 4
Mar 19, 2010 2:46:57 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on Mar 19, 2010 2:46:57 GMT -5
Night 1 i redirected Meeko to Red Skeezix. This was intended to generate info points
If Meeko was telling truth, I figured him to protect. Shooting blind with a kill on night 1 would be pretty anti-town
If Meeko was lying, then whatever happened to Red Skeezix woudl have given me info on Meeko.
However Meeko was blocked, so nothing came of it.
Night 2, Meeko was going to have a kill (if telling truth). I was very tempted to use this, but wasn't sure enough about anyone's alignment to make that call. I decided to leave it with Meeko. This time I tried to test mentalguy, by redirecting him to Nanook. I submitted my action before Nanook's claim, so i wasn't aware of him being a potential cop at the time. Again I was after data points. If Nanook dies,or something else weird happened to him, then mental was likely lying. If Nanook was scum then blovking him would be good etc etc.
Night 3 of course was the mass redirect on to Sis as planned in the day thread.
Not taking advantage of Meeko's kill power shows some sign og towniness yes?
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Day 4
Mar 19, 2010 6:43:39 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 19, 2010 6:43:39 GMT -5
I could understand you questioning my alignment, but not my power. I think it is pretty damn clear the mass redirect went down as advertised. Do you have some reason for wanting people to mistrust me? I don't want anyone to trust anyone completely. The comments that have followed my posts support what I was trying to say: Mental Guy assumed too much. Red only assumed that luv's power was accurate.
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Day 4
Mar 19, 2010 9:30:48 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Mar 19, 2010 9:30:48 GMT -5
Okay, how about this for a plan? Please chime in with opinions and any holes you might see, as this is a little off the cuff and not particularly well thought out.
1. Lynch paul today. 2. Special Ed Kill Dirx 3. Dirx Kill Special Ed. 4. Luv redirect nanook to special ed (Since dirx might not be able to kill him) 5. Mentalguy magnetize a robot. 6. Nanook pick an investigation target who is not special ed. 7. Masons will do their thing.
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Day 4
Mar 19, 2010 9:31:49 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 19, 2010 9:31:49 GMT -5
I have no kills left
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Day 4
Mar 19, 2010 9:33:13 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 19, 2010 9:33:13 GMT -5
unless I am the last to vote for paul and I get a kill from him.
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Day 4
Mar 19, 2010 9:39:01 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Mar 19, 2010 9:39:01 GMT -5
I thought you got kills from both billMc and Drain? Alright I need to revise my notes.
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Day 4
Mar 19, 2010 9:48:25 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Mar 19, 2010 9:48:25 GMT -5
paulwhoisaghost: 1. Special Ed, 2. Mentalguy Special Ed: 1. paulwhoisaghost mentalguy: 1. paulwhoisaghost peekercpa: 1. paulwhoisaghost, 2. Ed, 3. Nanook: 1. paulwhoisaghost, 2., 3. Dirx: 1. luvbfwc, 2., 3. luvbfwc: 1. Special Ed, 2., 3.
Totals: paulwhoisaghost (12): (Special Ed 1st), (mentalguy 1st), (peekercpa 1st), (Nanook 1st) Special Ed (8): (paulwhoisaghost 1st), (luvbfwc 1st), (peekercpa 2nd) luvbfwc (3): (Dirx 1st) Mentalguy (2): (paulwhoisaghost 2nd)
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Day 4
Mar 19, 2010 10:00:20 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Mar 19, 2010 10:00:20 GMT -5
1. Lynch paul today. 2. Special Ed investigate someone 3. Dirx Kill mental guy. 4. Luv redirect nanook to special ed (Since dirx might not be able to kill him) 5. Mentalguy magnetize a robot. 6. Nanook pick an investigation target who is not special ed. 7. Masons will do their thing.
I think it will still be okay, if special ed can't kill (if you do get a kill power, it would be good to kill dirx).
The thing is, either scum will kill someone and break the plan and we will see how it broke, or scum will follow the plan and we'll have some investigation results for tomorrow with no kills.
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Day 4
Mar 19, 2010 10:56:32 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on Mar 19, 2010 10:56:32 GMT -5
Is the Dirx kill on mental guy in the expectation that it does not go through without someone protecting/blocking etc?
If so, i am ok with the proposed plan.
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Day 4
Mar 19, 2010 11:29:49 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Mar 19, 2010 11:29:49 GMT -5
the only suggestion i might make would be to lynch ed instead of paul. i mean apparantly he has been effectively neutered at this point and i am still a little unsteady with our nyquil huffing participant.
and my mind does race at times. what if mg is some sort of odd bodkins third party and his robot gloves activate the fuckers. so yeh, mg has to take it on the chin tonight.
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Day 4
Mar 19, 2010 12:19:56 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Mar 19, 2010 12:19:56 GMT -5
Reasons I see anyways to get paul out of the way via lynch:
1. If paul is scum he has set himself very nicely, since he has no night actions which can be reconciled. To win all he would have to do is play well, which in my estimation he is quite capable of doing.
2. If ed is scum he does have actions that are reconcilable, which means that he would likely have to choose between killing and doing something else.
3. Drain did perform an oblique defense of paul, it could have been innocent, it could have been scum giving scum a leg up obliquely. I wouldn't put it past drain to do that since its something that's listed as things scum wouldn't do.
Scum has some choices to make: 1. They can kill amongst the masons. This is something peek and I have discussed and are prepared for. Killing a mason means either scum is found or that mason is replaced by a confirmed town via investigation.
2. They can kill a claimed investigator: Nanook or Special Ed, town would benefit from this greatly, in that it will presumably expose a major deviation from the plan for tonight.
3. They can kill an other (referred to in my notes as reliable v unreliable), this will break the plan more subtlety and require more analysis to determine where the deviation was made, but at the bare minimum they would be reducing their hiding pool while allowing masons and investigators to gather more information.
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