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Day 2.
Apr 8, 2010 19:30:51 GMT -5
Post by fisheroo on Apr 8, 2010 19:30:51 GMT -5
I'll still vote Sister. Same reasoning, same gut feeling, and her making her case only made it worse in my mind.
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Day 2.
Apr 8, 2010 19:36:58 GMT -5
Post by fisheroo on Apr 8, 2010 19:36:58 GMT -5
To NAF- I think why peek was targeted was one of two reasons. Either because he is a strong, intuitive player, or he annoys the living shit out of some folks.
I find him amusing as hell, but doesn't he gets killed or lynched right away all the time?
In the two games I played, it seemed like the first to go were either dead weight (no great loss,) or the really good ones (threat to scum.)
You've played a lot more games, do you find this to be correct?
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Day 2.
Apr 8, 2010 20:30:39 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Apr 8, 2010 20:30:39 GMT -5
Hey everyone,
So after rereading since I was in last night.
I would say I would comment on Nanook's post but I think NAF basically did in his post after him. Like it is all well and good to be reactive but at the same time I do agree that we need to take what we are given and run with it, even how little it is.
As for a rolecall...Shaggy stands up and yells Present! ;D
Whell to take a stab in the dark and geuss as to why Peeker. I would geuss and say possibly not one of 2 Fisheroo but more a little of both of your reasons. Playing a few times with the guy, I fully understand and can get exactly what he says but like me, most may not or atleast right away. I supose one could say I am good at speaking "peekanese" My wife jokes that it is a cousin language to "shagganese." LOL
Especially early on in the game but then as the days go on, you can not deny his scumdar. This guy is great after a few days to really sniff out the scum. Atleast this would be my best geuss as to why.
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Day 2.
Apr 8, 2010 20:33:37 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Apr 8, 2010 20:33:37 GMT -5
Well, fish, I think that comes down to what you consider dead weight really. I am not sure that there see many dead weight players myself. My experience as scum in several past games is that scum kill the player they think will benefit them most for whatever reason. I know that seems obvious but thinking about it that way might give some incite into why this kill happened. I am a big fan of trying to look for the benefit.
Disclaimer being that I don't think you can get a lot more than conjecture out of this discussion at this point in the game because patterns haven't been established yet. But again at this point any talk is better than where we are right now.
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Day 2.
Apr 8, 2010 20:48:30 GMT -5
Post by fisheroo on Apr 8, 2010 20:48:30 GMT -5
Here's what I mean about dead weight-either not showing up at all, or a liability to town.
Liability-The first time I played, Bear_Nenno was also playing his first game. He couldn't figure out the dynamics, the layers and reasoning. He went off on the first or second day, and appeared to kinda lose it. Town voted to lynch. Even though it was pretty obvious (at least to me) that Bear more than likely wasn't scum, that he was suffering from a case of newbie, I think town just said "You're a loose cannon, don't let the door hit you in the ass."
Dead Weight-See Clockwork. Didn't really seem like scum to me (hence the reason I didn't vote for him,) but it felt like people just said not contributing, no great loss.
This usually seems to happen in the first day or two, when really there is not often a good rationale to vote for anyone.
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Day 2.
Apr 8, 2010 20:56:35 GMT -5
Post by fisheroo on Apr 8, 2010 20:56:35 GMT -5
You know, thinking a little harder about this, and how I personally think when I play.
More town=better. I do not vote for someone I think is town.
In the case of Bear, it's better to keep a loose cannon that I think is town, (for the numbers, the cushion for mistakes) than to get rid of him because he's annoying, unpredictable.
For Clockwork, even if he's not contributing, it's still a (hopefully) townie.
Not sure if numbers is the way to go, but have never seen or heard a better theory. You got a better one?
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Day 2.
Apr 8, 2010 21:02:50 GMT -5
Post by fisheroo on Apr 8, 2010 21:02:50 GMT -5
Oh, and as to the best players-first game Storyteller got NK first night-I interpreted it as he was one of the best playing for town, scum needed to take out an experienced threat.
I would think that's why they took out peeker, him being mason was a bonus.
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Day 2.
Apr 8, 2010 21:06:51 GMT -5
Post by fisheroo on Apr 8, 2010 21:06:51 GMT -5
Oh, and don't get used to this level of posting from me. Usually I just check quick throughout the day, and make a point or an observation. (I'm trying to run a company here) But I'm bored, I've had a couple, I am relaxing in the tub, and you asked politely.
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Day 2.
Apr 8, 2010 22:22:51 GMT -5
Post by DorianPhoenix on Apr 8, 2010 22:22:51 GMT -5
I'm not entirely familiar with Peek. I mean, I know the name but haven't played in many games with him. As I said in my opening post, he clashed with a few people yesterday but if he's good then maybe SCUM felt like the way to go was to eliminate stronger players. If that's the case then people like Pleo, NAF, ED and Cookies will probably be targets in future days, presuming that they're not SCUM. (Yes I know ED claimed and I believe him) hell, where I play generally I've been told by the Buffest of Tabbies and others that me being alive on day 4-5 is my biggest scum tell so who knows?
As for dead weight and scary players in general, as SCUM i've done it both ways also. NK'd someone that made no sense or hadn't interacted at all in the hopes of confusing town and casting suspicion on the stronger players, hoping for a misslynch. But I've also decided that some people just had to go. So I don't know how helpful the conversation is. But more talking is a good thing so I'm up for some rampant speculation.
Based on Peek's day 1 posts, I didn't see anything I'd call a breadcrumb and judging by ED's lack of displaying one, I'd guess that SCUM just got lucky.
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Day 2.
Apr 8, 2010 22:59:51 GMT -5
Post by DorianPhoenix on Apr 8, 2010 22:59:51 GMT -5
VOTE BOOZY SQUID
Because, quite honestly I forget he was playing until I looked at the player list.
Just a poke Boozy, why not join us?
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Day 2.
Apr 8, 2010 23:05:46 GMT -5
Post by Darth Sensitive on Apr 8, 2010 23:05:46 GMT -5
Hi guys. School has been a drag the past two days. I shouldn't be on now, but I must take a break from this damn paper.
So - Ed claims mason. Nobody has refuted him or stepped forward alongside him. I'm going to mark him down as solid town in my book. If you have something to say about it, step forward now, while there's still time to lynch one of you if need be.
Nothing peek said yesterDay made me think about him being a power role. However, the meta "quieter than normal" may have left someone with the feeling that he was more than he seemed - on top of the RL reasons. I would probably lean towards the idea that he annoys the heck out of some people (though I love him when I can drag info out of his terribly entertaining posts), and that he's a pretty good player overall, which means that eliminating him earlier is good. That can possibly be combined with a doctor being somewhat unwilling to protect him in comparison to other players.
I will note that when scum in the past, I have been a sometimes advocate of randomly picking someone to kill - doctors aren't likely to guess right/get lucky, town is left scrambling, and posts like this that try to figure out what the heck happened don't really go anywhere. I think that's a long way of saying "hell if I know".
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Day 2.
Apr 8, 2010 23:14:41 GMT -5
Post by DorianPhoenix on Apr 8, 2010 23:14:41 GMT -5
On further review. Squid has chimed in a total of five times. once in the night thread, once to plagiarize The Princess Bride (j/k) once to make sure people know that he can see you if you're invisible, once to tell Larry what happens when you fuck a stranger in the ass and once to vote for Peek.
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Day 2.
Apr 8, 2010 23:17:51 GMT -5
Post by Darth Sensitive on Apr 8, 2010 23:17:51 GMT -5
Hrmm.
I too noted that when I was going back and seeing if anything peekypoo said jumped out at me.
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Day 2.
Apr 9, 2010 2:23:36 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on Apr 9, 2010 2:23:36 GMT -5
Ed
were you and peek communicating off board kind of masons, or just know who each other are type? If the former, did Peek share any insights before he died?
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Day 2.
Apr 9, 2010 12:17:08 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Apr 9, 2010 12:17:08 GMT -5
Sorry to harp on how pathetic the Day is, but seriously have you looked at the post count for toDay? psychopathgame.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewthreadposts&board=ding&thread=1327BillMC hasn't posted at all, nanook and boozy have each only posted once and shaggy only posted twice (though I will admit the content of shaggy's posts has been more substantial) Sister and Darth have only posted three times. I guess there isn't anything I can do to get people to talk. But you can't really play mafia in silence. So should we just call this game a bust and walk away?
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Day 2.
Apr 9, 2010 12:36:57 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Apr 9, 2010 12:36:57 GMT -5
I guess there isn't anything I can do to get people to talk. But you can't really play mafia in silence. So should we just call this game a bust and walk away? I think part of the problem is players who want to play "reactively". Reactive play is fine, but it only works if there's enough proactivity from everyone. Otherwise, it's just another excuse to not participate. Since we apparently do not have a Vig who's willing to eliminate lurkers, it's up to the rest of us to do the job. Normally, there's enough other stuff to go on, even in the early game, but the lack of participation is stalling everything. We must use the tools we are given. I'm willing to lynch any of the non-participants. Either they are scum or they are town giving the scum a big advantage by skewing the votes and not helping the rest of us. unvote Sister Coyotevote Boozyunvote Boozyvote BillMcunvote BillMcvote Nanookfor 1) not participating and 2) not voting. I settled on Nanook since he already has votes and because he apparently has two roles (or the mod is a gastard).
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Day 2.
Apr 9, 2010 13:16:58 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Apr 9, 2010 13:16:58 GMT -5
In case anyone else didn't know what Pleo was talking about. From the Player list thread: Ai, it looks like Idle confused me with Nanook and I didn't get a PM so thought I wasn't in. I was busy enough to no mind it and didn't follow up on it. I do wonder if Nanook got two PM though then .
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Day 2.
Apr 9, 2010 13:17:42 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Apr 9, 2010 13:17:42 GMT -5
So are we broken in form as well as spirit?
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Day 2.
Apr 9, 2010 13:20:18 GMT -5
Post by Darth Sensitive on Apr 9, 2010 13:20:18 GMT -5
This is what happens when you fuck a stranger in the ass, Larry. Bad squid. You know better than this. I thought a pressure vote and me commenting on things might get you involved. Didn't though. Vote boozahol squid[ghost]Test because I have no clue what the "ghost" tag does.[/color]
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Day 2.
Apr 9, 2010 14:44:13 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Apr 9, 2010 14:44:13 GMT -5
OK, well there is a good chance that I will be gone until the Day ends, so I am leaving my vote on Nanook because when a person doesn't even bother to respond to a building wagon against them it has been my experience that more often than not they are scum.
You would think he would be in here fighting for his life right now. See you at dusk.
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Day 2.
Apr 9, 2010 15:59:44 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 9, 2010 15:59:44 GMT -5
Oh, Natlaw was supposed to be in the game? And nobody told me this before right now? Okay, I'll put Natlaw in if he still wants to play. As for Nanook, no, he didn't get two role PMs. Nanook - 4 (Shaggy, SisterCoyote, NAF, Natlaw) SisterCoyote - 2 (Pleonast, Fisheroo) Boozy- 2 (Dorian, Darth) Dorian - 1 (luv) Pleonast - 1 (Cookies)
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Day 2.
Apr 9, 2010 16:15:22 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Apr 9, 2010 16:15:22 GMT -5
We can't talk to you anymore, Idle. It holds dire consequences.
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Day 2.
Apr 9, 2010 16:33:32 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Apr 9, 2010 16:33:32 GMT -5
No I'm not scum, but I'm not fighting for my life because what's the point? The case against me isn't a scum case, it's a "I don't like your playstyle" case. I've fought this case in something like every other game I've played, and I'm done with it. Go ahead and lynch me, I'm done with Mafia.
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Day 2.
Apr 9, 2010 16:39:44 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Apr 9, 2010 16:39:44 GMT -5
I guess there isn't anything I can do to get people to talk. But you can't really play mafia in silence. So should we just call this game a bust and walk away? Naw I would say it ain't bust. Just like I think it is hard to really get a conversation going about an issue when as you said, the person we are talking about does not even come in to address anything. So hard to get a conversation going if only one person is coming in to talk, in a way you could say.
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Day 2.
Apr 9, 2010 16:46:23 GMT -5
Post by special on Apr 9, 2010 16:46:23 GMT -5
I don't like the Nanook lynch.
I don't like the quiet days (should I go back to arguing with people all the time? at least it gives us stuff to talk about?)
I don't like pleonast's play.
1. The unprovoked Vanilla claim 2. The lack of solid reasons for having done so. 3. The very odd habit voting more than once per post. 3a. This coupled with Idle's lack of vote counts troubles me that there's an odd mechanic at hand.
Vote: Pleonast
Where did the vote and unvote buttons go?
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Day 2.
Apr 9, 2010 16:47:56 GMT -5
Post by special on Apr 9, 2010 16:47:56 GMT -5
So, is Natlaw in?
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Day 2.
Apr 9, 2010 16:51:07 GMT -5
Post by DorianPhoenix on Apr 9, 2010 16:51:07 GMT -5
I think a mistake was made. Natlaw AND Nanook were supposed to be in, not one or the other and someone brought up that maybe NANOOK got both PM's but Idle's response makes it seem like he just dropped Nanook entirely and is confused on whether it should have been Natlaw AND Nanook or Natlaw OR Nanook.
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Day 2.
Apr 9, 2010 16:51:57 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Apr 9, 2010 16:51:57 GMT -5
Well Idle did say he can put him in if he still wants to play...though I have to make a peanut gallery comment here and say not sure for the balance of the game one could add a player to a game after it gets going, but hey.
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Day 2.
Apr 9, 2010 17:12:30 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 9, 2010 17:12:30 GMT -5
I can easily add him into the game if he wants...I've sent him a PM asking if he wants to be in.
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Day 2.
Apr 9, 2010 17:21:00 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on Apr 9, 2010 17:21:00 GMT -5
at least its got more posts in!
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