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Post by special on Apr 16, 2010 19:37:17 GMT -5
who r u on mafia scum out of interest? special ed or maybe mr special ed. I've only got 1 game played there. I've followed a couple there
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Post by luvbwfc on Apr 16, 2010 20:00:21 GMT -5
not been on in a while. im WhoMe? on there
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Post by special on Apr 16, 2010 20:05:41 GMT -5
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Post by ducduc on Apr 17, 2010 2:29:34 GMT -5
I'll join the list fray as well. 1. NAF-I never can read him. 2. Cookies-I've gotten used to her playstyle. Pod People showed me how her style works well and makes her a great player. That said, she plays the same when Scum, so there's no idea here. 3. Special Ed-I'm Town.4. Luv-no idea 5. Total Lost-she's playing like she often does, but I am pinged by the lack of content in all those posts. 6. Shaggy-he always pings me. 7. Sister Coyote-I fight really hard to not read her as Scum. Something about how she posts makes me always think Scum. 8. Pleonast-soft claim. argh 9. Fisheroo-pinged a little 10. ducduc-goose. no idea 11. Storyteller-that's where my vote is. I always see Scum motivation when he votes or makes a case. It might be partially fear based. 12. Zuma-no idea 13. Peekercpa-maybe real life issues again? Really? Guess that makes it easy. I thought you were against a soft claim by Pleo earlier.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Apr 17, 2010 2:41:10 GMT -5
Pleo's soft claims of late involve flavor, not just alignment. It isn't that he is claiming to be town, but vanilla or non-vanilla that is of interest.
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Post by Total Ullz on Apr 17, 2010 2:52:17 GMT -5
As others have all ready pointed out the idea from Story regarding the cop claiming was somewhat made impossible by the soft claim from Pleo.
I guess it doesn't matter now - but I still find it very strange that no one asked what would happen in case the cop claimed and we lynched/forced the Doc to claim on Day 1 as well. Reason I'm think of that scenario might be based on my experience from playing mafia on facebook. Just seemed strange to me that no one thought of that possibility.
I'm not sure how to respond to "the many posts" by me lacking content. I don't see them as that many (yes, compared with the posts from Zuma I've got posting diariah). I talk a lot - you guys are not the first to point of the lack of logic or content.
I'd somehow think I did contribute to the game with the posts.
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Post by Total Ullz on Apr 17, 2010 3:05:32 GMT -5
Regarding votes: I agree that you should feel free to change the vote during the Day. Vote early, vote often seems to be a slightly pro-townish approach to the game. And in this game we seem to have moved past the stage where one vote "attracts" others. I dislike it very much when players seem to think they can only vote for the top 2 or 3 lynch candidates. But with votes all over the place we might be swung by scum later in the Day. Interesting right now I'm pinged by Ed's vote on Story. Just seemed strange to vote for player voting Day 1 with a (IMO) rather weak vote. But Day 1 often have weak votes and we still need to vote. Why vote for someone voting? But then again... if I was to vote Ed for a weak vote on someone voting with a weak vote... it could get messy I'd like to go with a OMGUS-kind of vote. NAF pings me when he say Of the above eight people only two have pinged me. Two haven't really been participating, one I am leaning pro town on but not heavily so the rest I have neutral reads on. So, let's start with the person who pinged me who might actually respond to the vote. Vote: total lost [/color] Glad to have you back in the game. I have missed you. Right now you are posting a lot and saying nothing at all, all the while telling us that we should be saying more than we are. [/quote] I really don't agree that I'm "posting a lot" and "saying nothing at all". But that might just be because I like hearing myself talk and reading my own posts... However - what is wrong with asking people to say more? You did it too. Asked people to say what they think and who they find suspiciously! Anyway - I'm going with lynch the lurker. VOTE Sister Coyote
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Post by Total Ullz on Apr 17, 2010 3:11:09 GMT -5
In all fairness. I did go and check the numbers of posts from the players so far: User # of Posts Special Ed 15 Total Lost 13 ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies 12 NAF1138 10 luvbwfc 9 storyteller 9 fisheroo 8 Pleonast 6 Idle Thoughts 5 shaggy 5 ducduc 4 Sister Coyote 1 So I guess I did talk more than most
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Post by shaggy on Apr 17, 2010 10:00:03 GMT -5
13 players - would indicate we have 3-4 scum. If I calculated correct then the square root of 13 is something like 3,6... Balance that at 4,5 for scum = 13,5 or 18 Assuming rest is Town (1) = 10 or 9 Cop and doc = 7 Masons are a bit more tricky but 2 masons would balance at... 7 (I think) = 7 So with 4 scum and 2 masons and a Cop OR doc we'd have 18 to 19 Numbers isn't my strongest side. If anyone has something to add I'd be willing to adjust. Well you know me I am the block head that is to obssesed with numbers and stats. So geussing and tacking my stab in the dark if we look at just the numbers by themselves, not playability we may have something like this: Option A: 4 scum=18 cop and doc=7 2 masons=4 5 VT=5 for a total of 16 which you can be +/- up to 3 points and be fine so this technically works. Though the problem here is whether this is playable or not. Option B: the same as above but with 3 scum...then instead of town down by 2 points, it is the scum that are down by 2.5 points which still works but once again the problem here is one scum kill and then the masons and the scum equal, which is not the most ideal situation to say the least. Option C: 3 scum=13.5 doc+cop=7 8 VT=8 for town total of 15 Which can work as well seeing as then scum are only down by 1.5 points. Option D: 2 scum=9 therefore I think it would be impossible to have eigther a cop or a doc seeing as even with out them town is already one point ahead, so if we had a doc town would have 12 points or a cop then town has 14. Which would be to hard for the scum. So with only 2 scum I think it would from a just point system stand point almost have to be all vanillla and then town is up only by 2. However before anyone gets upset or anything let me say now looking less at numbers and more playability we need to remember is by 13 players this boarders on almost a mini. Which has been brought to my attention this point system does not need to really apply here as much as playability. So it may not work for numbers but it may still work for playing purposes to have 2 scum and a doc as well as a cop. So we could have therefore I would guess at 2 or maybe 3 scum, depending on whether the number system was even used at all. Which for a small 13 person as I said it may not have been at all. I will agree that 4 is probably extremely unlikely as this would be leading us to lynch or loose real quickly. Now obviously this is just me geussing, and I could be wrong and probably am, but that is my thinking here. Also because this has already been a bit of a big post I will make another for my pings and then vote.
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Post by shaggy on Apr 17, 2010 10:25:36 GMT -5
Now for who to vote for. I am rereading this day and night 0 a hundred times and having a hard time here.
First we have Pleo. Which my problem here is last time he did a soft claim and it was truthful, so part of me want to give the bennefit of the doubt and go along and hope it is truthfull again. But on the flip side, part of me is thinking by going a few days and essentially alowing him to ride it out last game, we have set a bad presedant that he or anyone can make a soft claim and we will let them ride it out. Which is not good at all. So part of me is screaming that he is scum and banking on that. Assuming it will play out like last one and therefore he will be fine, since it kinda worked last time, why not again? Hard to say, but that is my thinking.
Then we have Luv that some saw a slip but I saw more a general statement. Hell i have made that kind of general statement before. Now it has helped get me lynched but the point is, I can see and sympathize with making that kind of statement.
Then I have Ed and Story that I have not decided if my pings are scum or town pings. For the one saying he could thought he maybe able to geuss our character name based on his, seems odd but not sure yet if it is good odd or bad odd, just odd to me right now. I just can not figure out why because you are TL, you can geuss before I said anything that I am luv. Just seems odd and maybe it is that I am just not understanding something...which is entirely possible. After all it is me we are talking about here, LOL.
The other I find it odd with suggesting the cop come out, but once again not sure if it is a good town reason for it or a scum attempt to out a town player. So i am leaning towards letting for today sleeping dogs lie. Since suggesting things are not a scum tell or atleast by themselves anyways.
Fisheroo I think saw what could be a scum slip, and went with it. It maybe right or it maybe wrong, but there is nothing wrong with going for something you think you may see.
Most of the others are neutral or no read on yet at all. So I think at the end of the day I am going to:
Vote Pleo
Cause I am not a fan of soft claims especially before the game has even technically started. On top of that, I can not help but have part of me screaming it is a scum gambit that because we let it slide last game, you are assuming we set a precedant that we will again. So while last time you did tell the truth, we can not assume that it translates into this time also telling the truth. So for today I think you are the best person for me to vote for.
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Post by Total Ullz on Apr 17, 2010 10:53:42 GMT -5
@ SHAGGY:
And the fact that he might be cop, doc or mason means nothing toDay to you?
I don't like the claim either - but I'd be more than willing to see what happens in the Night before lynching Pleo.
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Post by shaggy on Apr 17, 2010 11:30:40 GMT -5
It is not that it does not mean anything, because it does but and it is to me a big but here.
First I do not think allowing someone to set a bad presidant that soft claims are a ticket to not being lynched is a good thing. Which by doing this now twice, that is essentially what we would be doing. Most may not want to say it or admit it but if you really think about it, that is essentially what we would be doing.
Seconed we do not even know if any of those roles are in the game, so until we do, I for one am not going to not look at someone because of fear they maybe a role that could or could not even be in the game. We do not know for sure. Remember he never claimed any of those roles so there is just as much a probability that he is not any of them, as he is one of them.
As I said how many games are we seriously going to let him or anyone walk through one day, several days or an entire game because of half claiming? To me this just sets a really bad precedant, that can bite us in the ass. Whether that be this game, the next one or 10 games down the road. To me it is not something that we should fall into the habbit of doing.
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Post by shaggy on Apr 17, 2010 11:32:40 GMT -5
NETA: Should read "Remember he never claimed any of those roles so there is just as much a probability that he is one of them as there is that he is not any of them."
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Post by fisheroo on Apr 17, 2010 12:07:51 GMT -5
I agree with you Shaggy, that Pleo is setting a bad precedent, however, if last game is any indication, scum will try to NK Pleo tonight. I'd rather not waste a lynch.
Pleo does not feel like he is lying about being town, but his strategy is shortsighted. Not only for town in this game, but for him as a player in future games.
I have yet to see his rationale, but when he does reveal it, it'll be interesting to see if he is misguided or not.
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Post by Total Ullz on Apr 17, 2010 12:13:29 GMT -5
I'm sorry - but I think the logic stinks...
Pleo has claimed in more than one game - and I know I've voted for him based on that. But we're at Day 1 and we *know* we only have doc, cop or mason in this game...
I know he might be scum - but come one - we're not putting him a side for the entire game. Just for a Day or two.
Yet you're wiling to throw away what could be a power role on Day 1 because you don't like claims?
I have to disagree - and I'd like to vote for you right now because I really think you're gambling with towns dice. But if I unvote Sister C then Pleo will be the lynch candidate.
What will happen if there is a tie-lynch?
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Post by fisheroo on Apr 17, 2010 12:18:52 GMT -5
[red]UNVOTE LUV[/red] Even though he's still pinging me, I like the lurkers even less. At this point they are dead weight. [blue]VOTE SISTER[/blue] Yes, I know that peeker and Zuma have no posts, and she has one, but peeker [/b]may still be having RL issues and he amuses me. Zuma I can read, and almost think he's forgotten about this game. Sister always reads to me as scummy- this makes my life easier. Oh, and NAF? Even though I ping scummy to you all the time, in the two previous games I've played with you, I can read you loud and clear most of the time. Funny how that works.
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Post by shaggy on Apr 17, 2010 14:48:08 GMT -5
I'm sorry - but I think the logic stinks... Pleo has claimed in more than one game - and I know I've voted for him based on that. But we're at Day 1 and we *know* we only have doc, cop or mason in this game... I know he might be scum - but come one - we're not putting him a side for the entire game. Just for a Day or two. Yet you're wiling to throw away what could be a power role on Day 1 because you don't like claims? I have to disagree - and I'd like to vote for you right now because I really think you're gambling with towns dice. But if I unvote Sister C then Pleo will be the lynch candidate. What will happen if there is a tie-lynch? First off I never said I do not like claims, I said I do not like half or soft claims. To me they are right up there with magic bagging almost. No I am not saying it is magic bagging or he did, i am saying they are right near the top of my pet peeves list. Especially when they happen before the game even officially started. Then you add in all the talk back and forth after the last one, I just find it hard to buy that he would do it again. Especially this time if he really is a town power role. So you see there is a huge differance between claims and soft/half claims. Seconed we could have them in the game, but that does not mean we do have them in the game and unless we are one those roles, then how is it that we would know? I mean just cause someone say "hey guys I am a power role in this game" does not mean they really are. And for me I see far more scum motivation in doing a night 0 soft claim then I do a pro-town motive. Especially when it is not vanilla but a power role. Save being vanilla and wanting to paint a target on his back to be NK instead of someone else, what protown motive really is there? If that is in contrast to your point of view well then we have to agree to disagree. If you want to switch your vote to me then go ahead I am fine with that.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 17, 2010 20:42:27 GMT -5
Cookies - 3 (Story, Ulla, Fisheroo) Pleonast - 2 (luv, shaggy) Story - 1 (special ed) Sister Coyote - 1 (Pleonast) Total Lost - 1 (NAF) zuma - 1 (Cookies)
Day ends in one hour.
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