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Post by peekercpa on Apr 22, 2010 20:35:25 GMT -5
and if i catch grief or get lynched for a wicked witch of the west song/video reprise i am just going to be vexed as all hell.
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Post by peekercpa on Apr 22, 2010 20:45:23 GMT -5
and for the short bussers i typed this real slow. it was an attempt at bringing media other than words into the game as sense of humor type of bringing home a point.
i am not adam ant.
i did not write the song on the video.
shoot, i wasn't even in the video.
matter of fact i don't particularly like adam ant either. i thought he and his ilk were adrogenous weird looking souls. but there was booze, dope and acid so i could down with it for a night (or weekend or semester).
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Post by Pleonast on Apr 23, 2010 9:39:51 GMT -5
Less than 24 hours until the end of the Day, and we've gotten next to nothing from luvbwfc and nothing from ducduc. We lynched a lurker YesterDay and I'm willing to do it again. unvote storyteller (I'd still like a response to my post 91.) vote luvbwfc For not participating and for the reasons given for voting Pleonast.
ducduc, you're next, unless you start making an effort.
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Post by peekercpa on Apr 23, 2010 10:06:28 GMT -5
i'm with pleo.
this game is about participation. if you don't want to play don't fracking sign up. i mean rl intrudes on everyone from time to time but sheesh. crap, i'd rather play minis than have a bunch of the group not even around.
the problem i have is that i already have a vote on a kind on non participant that also has a kind of cruddy vote reason (none that i can tell) and that only began to post again after a vote on them.
but why luv? sure, 2 posts, very lameass justification for a vote (godfather, come on) but goosegoose hasn't posted at all.
newb get out of jail free card?
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 23, 2010 12:44:37 GMT -5
So...Day ends today.
Good times.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 23, 2010 12:46:57 GMT -5
So, NAF, what do you make of the fact that, although he is leading the vote and its the last day of the Day, Pleonast still has not made a full claim?
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 23, 2010 12:52:00 GMT -5
I do find it odd.
I honestly don't see any reason for not claiming, so maybe you all are right and he is scum. I am not pretending I understand his play at all but I don't see any reason for him not being counter claimed at this point either. That is neither here nor there since it looks like he is going to get lynched anyway, but I am not as disappointed by the lynch as I might have been had I not fought against it. It hasn't been the information free lynch I have been afraid of.
On the other hand I still think my case against Shaggy is a good one and I am a bit disappointed that it hasn't been discussed more.
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 23, 2010 12:54:48 GMT -5
I will also add, that this Day hasn't played out the way I expected it to at all. So that's probably good too.
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 23, 2010 13:02:56 GMT -5
Holy crosspost, Batman! At this point: 1. I'm not happy with Pleo's soft-claim still. I've noted storyteller's thoughts that it's just a dumb Town move rather than a Scum move. 2. I'm not happy with NAF's fishing for a doctor claim instead of pushing Pleo to claim. I'm also very much not happy with his vote for shaggy with the reasoning based on reactions to the vote. 3. I'm not happy with ducduc's participation 4. I'm not happy with fisheroo not participating but voting. 5. Storyteller scares me. He's made a case against NAF that is very convincing. I'm usually scared when he's convincing. At this point, I'm thinking our Scum could be NAF and fisheroo. Or storyteller and Pleonast. Or ducduc and cookies...or...or....or....honestly, just about anyone. unvote Pleonast vote NAF[/color][/quote] In the interest of shaking things up a bit here at the end of the Day. Let me move my vote to Ed Unvote: shaggy Vote: Ed I was so distracted by Ed hopping on Story's bandwagon against me that I failed to notice the actual content of this post the first time around. The content of this post says to me that Ed is having trouble finding someone to vote for and will be happy to hop from one strong bandwagon (Pleo) to another potential one (whoever story happens to be voting for, in this case me). That seems like a confluence of a couple of scum tells right there. Plus, if there are more than 2 scum in the game (and I am slowly being convinced that there may well be) then my case against shaggy is a bit weaker since he wouldn't necessarily be working in a vacuum.* I had been leaning pro town on Ed, but I may have been wrong. It's usually a mistake to ignore my gut, but on this one the scum tell jumps at me harder than my gut telling me that Ed might be townie. So for now, lets see what Ed has to say. *My case against him also works if one of the non participants or new players was scum with Shaggy, so I am not totally off that point, but my case isn't going to get anyone lynched anyway, so I might as well run with this other idea and see where it takes me.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 23, 2010 13:13:25 GMT -5
Since Pleo asked: Given that you think that there are no Masons in this game - and I kind of think the same, by the way - how do you feel about Pleo's continued unwillingness to make a full claim? If you truly believe there are no masons in this game, then my soft claim is the same as a protector claim. Why press for anything more? Or, to put it another way, who gains from the certainty of a hard claim, if one thinks there are likely no masons? There is a substantive difference between "I kind of think [that there are no Masons]" and "I truly believe there are no Masons." If you pointed a gun at me and told me to guess the starting gamestate or die, I'd guess one Cop, one Doc, zero Masons, three Scum, eight vanilla. That doesn't mean I have anything like certainty about it. Who gains from the certainty of a hard claim? The Town. That way, if a Doc dies toNight and you've already claimed Doc, we can kill you toMorrow. That way, if you claim Mason and two Masons counterclaim, we can kill you. Right now you cannot be counterclaimed and seem to expect that you will not be lynched. While I do not necessarily want you dead right now - although the fact that you still have not claimed as the vote leader this late in the Day is anti-Town enough to push me in that direction - I am opposed to any player being given that kind of free pass.
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Post by Pleonast on Apr 23, 2010 13:16:21 GMT -5
Given that you think that there are no Masons in this game - and I kind of think the same, by the way - how do you feel about Pleo's continued unwillingness to make a full claim? If you truly believe there are no masons in this game, then my soft claim is the same as a protector claim. Why press for anything more? Or, to put it another way, who gains from the certainty of a hard claim, if one thinks there are likely no masons? storyteller, are you going to answer this question or not?
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Post by Pleonast on Apr 23, 2010 13:18:16 GMT -5
Heh, you answered as I was typing.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 23, 2010 13:18:28 GMT -5
ENTIRELY UNOFFICIAL VOTE COUNT - 2:15PM EST
Pleonast - 3 (luvdwfc, Cometothe...Cookies, zuma) NAF1138 - 2 (storyteller0910, Special Ed) Shaggy - 1 (Fisheroo) luvdwfc - 1 (Pleonast) Fisheroo - 1 (peekercpa) Special Ed - 1 (NAF1138)
Things are tenuous right now. Eyes open for possible late-Day shenanigans.
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Post by zuma on Apr 23, 2010 13:19:16 GMT -5
I am not pretending I understand his play at all but I don't see any reason for him not being counter claimed at this point either. You honestly don't see a reason why he hasn't been counter-claimed? Come on.
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 23, 2010 13:19:22 GMT -5
Who's not voting?
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 23, 2010 13:20:25 GMT -5
I am not pretending I understand his play at all but I don't see any reason for him not being counter claimed at this point either. You honestly don't see a reason why he hasn't been counter-claimed? Come on. If he is scum and false claiming, then no, I see no reason not to counter claim. There is a small downside, but a huge upside.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 23, 2010 13:22:42 GMT -5
If he is scum and false claiming, then no, I see no reason not to counter claim. There is a small downside, but a huge upside. Suppose Pleonast is Scum, and false claiming. Who, exactly, should counter claim him?
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 23, 2010 13:24:38 GMT -5
Well, seeing as how I don't believe that there are masons, the doc. But I have already stated that if there are masons I think they should claim as well. Getting three or more confirmed townies and bagging scum on the same Day? I see that as a good Day, possibly a game winning Day.
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Post by Pleonast on Apr 23, 2010 13:26:03 GMT -5
Right now you cannot be counterclaimed and seem to expect that you will not be lynched. While I do not necessarily want you dead right now - although the fact that you still have not claimed as the vote leader this late in the Day is anti-Town enough to push me in that direction - I am opposed to any player being given that kind of free pass. I won't be surprised if I'm lynched. I certainly don't expect a soft claim to prevent me from being lynched. I made the soft claim with the knowledge that it might lead to my lynch. If enough players think I should be lynched, then that's their choice. They're making the wrong choice, but I've said everything I've intended to say.
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 23, 2010 13:27:14 GMT -5
Right now you cannot be counterclaimed and seem to expect that you will not be lynched. While I do not necessarily want you dead right now - although the fact that you still have not claimed as the vote leader this late in the Day is anti-Town enough to push me in that direction - I am opposed to any player being given that kind of free pass. I won't be surprised if I'm lynched. I certainly don't expect a soft claim to prevent me from being lynched. I made the soft claim with the knowledge that it might lead to my lynch. If enough players think I should be lynched, then that's their choice. They're making the wrong choice, but I've said everything I've intended to say. You know, you make posts like that and I sort of start to feel bad for defending you.
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Post by Pleonast on Apr 23, 2010 13:29:19 GMT -5
I won't be surprised if I'm lynched. I certainly don't expect a soft claim to prevent me from being lynched. I made the soft claim with the knowledge that it might lead to my lynch. If enough players think I should be lynched, then that's their choice. They're making the wrong choice, but I've said everything I've intended to say. You know, you make posts like that and I sort of start to feel bad for defending you. You'll make a better case out of it ToMorrow.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 23, 2010 13:29:50 GMT -5
Well, seeing as how I don't believe that there are masons, the doc. But I have already stated that if there are masons I think they should claim as well. Getting three or more confirmed townies and bagging scum on the same Day? I see that as a good Day, possibly a game winning Day. I think your analysis is flawed: 1. The Doc, if there is one and its not Pleo, doesn't know that there are no Masons. You're asking him/her to bet his/her anonymity on your (and my) spitball analysis of the gamestate. Suppose the Doc claims, Pleo claims solo Mason, we lynch Pleo, and he is a Mason. Now we've outed the Doc, failed to catch Scum, and lynched our Mason. 2. We will not create confirmed Townies in this game. Idle's setup is insidious in that way. Suppose Pleo claims Doc, someone counterclaims, and then we lynch Pleo and Pleo is Scum. Does that confirm our claimed Doc? Absolutely not, especially if any Masons turn up. Most importantly: 3. Pleo is currently the lynch leader. Even if there's a Doc, and even if (s)he's not Pleo, and even if the real Doc thinks Pleo is Scum and should die, right at this moment Pleo is on the road to death. A Doc has no good reason to counterclaim, outing him/herself, in order to secure a lynch that is already going to happen if nothing changes.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 23, 2010 13:32:12 GMT -5
So, Pleo, you're seriously not going to claim?
WHY THE HOLY SWEET MERCIFUL FUCK NOT, if you are Town?
What possible advantage accrues to the Town, if you're telling the truth? If you're the real Doctor, you'd rather just be lynched than claim? WHY? To prove some kind of point?
No. Bullshit. You're lying. You're hoping that everyone will work themselves up into some kind of "can't lynch a power role lather" and let you off the hook. Forget it.
unvote NAF1138 vote Pleonast
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 23, 2010 13:43:19 GMT -5
You're right Story. My analysis is flawed. And after Pleo's last post I don't actually know that I want to keep defending him.
I'll pick up with Ed tomorrow. There is no reason not to have claimed there.
Unvote: Ed Vote: Pleo
It's like he's daring us to vote for him.
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Post by Pleonast on Apr 23, 2010 13:45:54 GMT -5
you'd rather just be lynched than claim? WHY? To prove some kind of point? Yep. The point being: soft claims impart no information to town. Soft claims should be cause neither to lynch nor to not lynch someone. I think there is also some good information in the arguments for and against my lynch.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 23, 2010 13:53:42 GMT -5
you'd rather just be lynched than claim? WHY? To prove some kind of point? Yep. The point being: soft claims impart no information to town. Soft claims should be cause neither to lynch nor to not lynch someone. I think there is also some good information in the arguments for and against my lynch. First: 1. If you are Town, and you are deliberately screwing your side over in order to prove a poor point (and more on that in a minute), then you should be policy lynched on Day One of every game that you play. This is supposed to be a team game, not "Pleonast teaches everyone about Mafia from On High." 2. You're wrong. The soft-claim is not the issue. You'll note that I, for instance, did not vote for you because of it. The issue is that your behavior, having been challenged on the soft-claim, is utterly inconsistent with a power role who wants Town to win and utterly consistent with Scum who wants Scum to win. Town must lynch players who take action consistent with being Scum and inconsistent with being Town. It is literally the only way to win the game.
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Post by peekercpa on Apr 23, 2010 13:53:53 GMT -5
i don't get it pleo, but whatever.
i'm happy where my vote is.
and i'd rather go to a lurker than someone who is participating. but shoot that's you all folks choice as well.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 23, 2010 14:05:09 GMT -5
Heading for home, y'all. I'm not sure when the Day ends, so I don't know if I'll make it home before it does. Pleo's responses have made his lynch both imperative and inevitable, so I'm happy with my vote in any case.
Have a good weekend!
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Post by Pleonast on Apr 23, 2010 14:09:10 GMT -5
1. If you are Town, and you are deliberately screwing your side over in order to prove a poor point (and more on that in a minute), then you should be policy lynched on Day One of every game that you play. This is supposed to be a team game, not "Pleonast teaches everyone about Mafia from On High." 2. You're wrong. The soft-claim is not the issue. You'll note that I, for instance, did not vote for you because of it. The issue is that your behavior, having been challenged on the soft-claim, is utterly inconsistent with a power role who wants Town to win and utterly consistent with Scum who wants Scum to win. Town must lynch players who take action consistent with being Scum and inconsistent with being Town. It is literally the only way to win the game. I explained back in Post 35* all the factors that went into my decision. I decided that it was better for me to not hard claim. In my place, you might make a different decision, but that simply means we put different importance on different factors. I'm not dictating how others play the game, and I am not letting others dictate to me how I think the game should be played best. *Which has had remarkably little discussion. Why is that?
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Post by shaggy on Apr 23, 2010 15:51:16 GMT -5
Hey everyone,
Well for today I am going to:
vote Fisheroo
I know I voted pleo yesterday and I am still verry suspicious of the guy but with him voting Sister and her turning up scum just eats away in the back of my mind and makes me think, this game is to small for scum to bus on day one. So while I hate the soft claim and hate the aftermath of him handling it, I do not think he really is scum. I could be wrong and may verry well be but it all comes back to the votes yesterday.
Now with Fisheroo I just think the vote for me was a real jump on someone with a small case and hope no one thinks why or anything. Then the reason given to me is a real bad one...I know I am bias here but still. Then combine that with saying might switch to pleo even though thinks he is town. Now I am sorry and maybe I still suck at this game but if you think he town why even think of voting him? I mean yeas he is being hard to get and frustrating but in a small game like this can we really be so quick to possibly throw a miss lynch on a person you think maybe town? I mean for me go for who you think is scum not town. So that remark and the vote for me, just really pings me the wrong way.
If you want to call this an OMGUS you can but to me it is more the reason for the vote and the post about pleo that just pings me big time. I am getting not the good vibes here.
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