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Post by Idle Thoughts on May 2, 2010 13:03:12 GMT -5
Special Ed, AKA TOTAL LOST, Town, has been found killed.
It is now Day.
Day will end on Thurs morning, at about eight AM.
Good luck everyone!
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Post by peekercpa on May 2, 2010 13:43:24 GMT -5
how come that is not too surprising. shit on a shingle.
so with 7 i surmise we are at 5 -2, although maybe freaking NAF was right, hopefully, and are at 6 - 1. but i am going with 5 - 2.
but with one kind of awol and one who hasn't been here since the get go we really need to get our shit together toDay. regardless of their alignment we are well and truly fucked. if they are both scum then they just hang back and let us bash our collective noggins against each other. if it's a split then that is somewhat better in that at least scum have someone not around (percentage of non participation favors town at that point). and if they are both town then shoot, shame on them. because that really hoses town, and that will piss me off. at that point scum deserve to win just because town doesn't. and that would really blow.
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Post by special on May 2, 2010 14:09:16 GMT -5
bummer
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Post by peekercpa on May 2, 2010 15:38:09 GMT -5
ok, semi pure guess at this point because of the lack of data points. i am going to guess that there are two scum left. one of them being our lurkers. since i can't get a fucking read by no participation i am going to go for one of them.
so in that case vote ducduc.
he hasn't participated since Day one. so screw it i think that either him or luv is teamed up with one of the other of you bastards to run the table this far. that sucks, by the way.
just my fucking two cents.
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Post by peekercpa on May 2, 2010 15:52:49 GMT -5
and now that i read the post that luv made in the Night thread. going to moscow. meeting with your handlers after sending the north korean submarine to torpedo the oil well in the gulf to not only destroy a source of fresh seafood but also make us americans question the wisdom of off shore oil drilling. yeh, i bet you are you lying stinking communist wanna take down all that is good with the world leninist. i mean, no more soft shell crabs and fresh oysters and nothing to cook them with even if we could harvest them. enjoy your potatoes and cabbage you commie bastard.
yust kind of kidding.
have a safe flight.
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Post by NAF1138 on May 3, 2010 10:46:59 GMT -5
I really don't believe that ducduc is scum.
vote shaggy
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Post by zuma on May 3, 2010 11:39:10 GMT -5
ok, semi pure guess at this point because of the lack of data points. i am going to guess that there are two scum left. one of them being our lurkers. since i can't get a fucking read by no participation i am going to go for one of them. so in that case vote ducduc. he hasn't participated since Day one. so screw it i think that either him or luv is teamed up with one of the other of you bastards to run the table this far. that sucks, by the way. just my fucking two cents. I'm not sure your ducduc vote makes much sense. Assuming he's scum, there is at least one other active scum out there (I'm not down with NAF's 2 scum.. 3 seems likely blah blah). Wouldn't it make more sense to go after active scum? Even if duc turned out to be scum, if we killed off the one who was actually here and participating, we'd have no more nightkills, right? I may be missing something, but I don't think I support a ducduc lynch.
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Post by shaggy on May 3, 2010 12:17:51 GMT -5
ok, semi pure guess at this point because of the lack of data points. i am going to guess that there are two scum left. one of them being our lurkers. since i can't get a fucking read by no participation i am going to go for one of them. so in that case vote ducduc. he hasn't participated since Day one. so screw it i think that either him or luv is teamed up with one of the other of you bastards to run the table this far. that sucks, by the way. just my fucking two cents. I'm not sure your ducduc vote makes much sense. Assuming he's scum, there is at least one other active scum out there (I'm not down with NAF's 2 scum.. 3 seems likely blah blah). Wouldn't it make more sense to go after active scum? Even if duc turned out to be scum, if we killed off the one who was actually here and participating, we'd have no more nightkills, right? I may be missing something, but I don't think I support a ducduc lynch. I just have play devils advocate here. Not saying I am really suspicious here peek but playing devils advocate, which is, unless the one big advocate for the lynch is the other fellow scum. Think about it, if you have a fellow scum who goes AWOL, you may have a thought to want to bus the shit out of the guy and buy TC for your self. Yeah having him helps the numbers for you, but as much as an asset he is, he is also a liability. As I said just playing devils advocate and saying, it is a thought.
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Post by shaggy on May 3, 2010 12:18:54 GMT -5
NETA: that is assuming Ducduc is scum
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Post by peekercpa on May 3, 2010 15:14:31 GMT -5
ok, i see your points shaggy but ....
so just answer a couple of lolipop questions for me:
is not posting or voting for Days at a time (not since Day 1) anti town, pro town or neutral
is not posting or voting for Days at a time (not since Day 1) anti game, pro game or neutral.
seriously ducky has 4 posts in the ENTIRE game and not a single vote.
i mean if we are going to tolerate that then why don't we just sign up and let random.org run real quick and we could do 4 or 5 of these a day to determine winners.
i mean NAF has reached the point that he doesn't think ducky is scum, so i assume that means he won't vote him. and it looks like you won't either. i'd really like to know how that conclusion was reached since neither of you are investigators (if we are to believe our mod - which i do). i mean it's not based on his body of work for sure.
i know another way it works.
but shit, that's just playing devil's advocate.
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Post by peekercpa on May 3, 2010 15:16:10 GMT -5
oh, and the above can be directed to z and NAF as well.
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Post by NAF1138 on May 3, 2010 16:03:40 GMT -5
I won't vote for him toDay. If he is scum there is at least one more scum out there, if fisheroo is to be believed, and I would rather lynch them.
Idle, could you please either kill or replace ducduc. He is clearly not playing anymore and hasn't been for a long while.
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Post by shaggy on May 3, 2010 16:03:41 GMT -5
And that is part of the reason I think if he is scum, I personally doubt you would therefore be too...since for this game, the way it is playing out I think if for argument sake you were scum with him, then why the hell would you be bussing as compared to let everyone think he is town, and therefore hope that the numbers of 2 be good enough to land a win.
Plausable sure, probable? Maybe not so much.
With that being said, while I am more inclined today to vote for who I contemplated for voting for yesterday, which is as I said yesterday is NAF at the same time I am not adverse to considering someone else. Though i do think Zuma has a point that if he is scum, then maybe we should figure out and lynch the other active one.
That is why since I am off today i am in the middle of going back and reveiwing player by player to see if I can come up with anything. So I hope I can find a thing or 2.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on May 3, 2010 16:04:23 GMT -5
Ducduc is a tough nut to crack, but I don't see it as tolerating the behavior. There are risk-assessment reasons not to necessarily go lynching him. Also, now is not the time to punish people for not participating, and a brand new player may not even react well to pressure votes. Assume for a moment that ducduc is town, and a majority of us just agree not to lynch him for lack of participation, we've effectively neutralized his anti-town behavior.
We have one player, NAF, fairly firmly stating beliefs that ducduc is town and then we have zuma, shaggy, and myself who seem to be weighing things back and forth with a general lean toward not lynching ducduc, and we have Peeker who wants to lynch him. Counting crudely, I'd say that supports keeping him alive and just setting him aside for now.
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Post by peekercpa on May 3, 2010 16:52:00 GMT -5
then why the hell did we not punish him yesterDay?
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Post by peekercpa on May 3, 2010 16:56:20 GMT -5
neta: and if he's fracking scum then we reward his anti town behavior.
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Post by peekercpa on May 3, 2010 17:11:11 GMT -5
I won't vote for him toDay. If he is scum there is at least one more scum out there, if fisheroo is to be believed, and I would rather lynch them. Idle, could you please either kill or replace ducduc. He is clearly not playing anymore and hasn't been for a long while.if fishy is to be believed then you are scum.
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Post by shaggy on May 3, 2010 18:07:39 GMT -5
So after a long reread on each player I am not going to really go into each one, I will just say that the one other then my suspicioun from yesterday that i am really suspicious for is Luv and here is why: Luvbwfc Day one : Vote for Pleo followed by spending the entire day essentially in a nut shell defending your self for night 0 post about names. Day 2: One post effectively fluff and one vote post and that is it. Day 3: I am here and reading but I am struggling to find a good case to push. Am considering a NAF vote. I was voting Pleo because of the lack of a hard claim, which I would have expected at some point from a real town power role. I.e. I did NOT think Pleo was the Doc. And that was it. Now not to really get into this to much, since cross game while 2 games is on is bad, very bad…So all I am going to say is as far as I am concerned day one I think you can get away with the hard time finding a case on anyone. But by day 3, that is when I think it is past the time you can really say you cannot find anything on anyone. So to me this now combined with the lack of vote yesterday, the effectively only a vote post really the day before and day one was in a nutshell just defending your self. I mean do you really need to spend what 8 posts or more defending oneself? To me this is a little much. I said before and will again, one maybe 2 sure, but when it get’s to be almost the entire day, that is when it goes into a lot. Now combine with last night saying: I am around, but I am flying to Moscow tomorrow. Not sure about my access. Now to me this almost reads like I have been around but tomorrow I may not be. So to me this is a big ping, cause while Ducduc is anoying and all, not being here at all is one thing but to be here and still not posting that to me pings big time. So while i will hold off for a bit, till I decide if this is who I think truly deserves my vote, I would say for me it is probably going to be eigther Luv or NAF . one for the above and the other for what I said and laid out yesterday. Alot of the others I am less inclined to be suspicious of. And I really did not find all that much to ping me as much. Atleast after spending alot of time rereading each of your posts and seeing what there was to read.
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Post by NAF1138 on May 3, 2010 18:30:39 GMT -5
I won't vote for him toDay. If he is scum there is at least one more scum out there, if fisheroo is to be believed, and I would rather lynch them. Idle, could you please either kill or replace ducduc. He is clearly not playing anymore and hasn't been for a long while.if fishy is to be believed then you are scum. Fish knows ducduc in real life. She doesn't know me, and I haven't told her that I had intentionally left the game because I thought it wasn't for me.
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Post by peekercpa on May 3, 2010 18:43:00 GMT -5
fuck, i thought fishy was a dude.
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Post by peekercpa on May 3, 2010 19:24:41 GMT -5
if fishy is to be believed then you are scum. Fish knows ducduc in real life. She doesn't know me, and I haven't told her that I had intentionally left the game because I thought it wasn't for me. so the fact that ducky talked to fishy off board is enough for you to assume ducky is town?
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Post by NAF1138 on May 3, 2010 19:26:39 GMT -5
Fish knows ducduc in real life. She doesn't know me, and I haven't told her that I had intentionally left the game because I thought it wasn't for me. so the fact that ducky talked to fishy off board is enough for you to assume ducky is town? No, the fact that ducky and fishy talk offboard and fishy says that ducky isn't ever coming back to this game is enough to make me think he needs to be taken care of by the mod and not us. In see no reason to think she would lie about that. I also think if he was scum he wouldn't have decided the game was boring or whatever he decided.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on May 3, 2010 19:58:22 GMT -5
then why the hell did we not punish him yesterDay? Frankly, imho, there's never really a good time to punish players for just going awol. It does not fill me with a feeling of justice when a member of my own faction gets lynched to try and teach them some sort of lesson.
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Post by peekercpa on May 3, 2010 20:23:39 GMT -5
and this is a serious no bs question. if there is no mod mechanism to "punish" players then isn't it left to us?
or do we just let it slide? i mean that seems like a slippery slope. then we go back to the bad old days when scum lurk. that worked for a while until they figured out they would get strung if they didn't participate. but now it seems like we advocate/tolerate non participation - all the while bemoaning the lack of participation.
or do we do like i suggested earlier? sign up. let random.org assign roles and then randomly assign votes. i mean no participation or effort is required. seriously we could have a standing group and i think the computer could run through the iterations in a moment or two. we could get a couple hundred results an hour that would be statistically valid.
like i have said before it is the interactions that drive this game and my interest. i mean, seriously i could make a move at my wife tonight and have her say no and feel better than if monique the mannequin said yes - or in that case nothing at all.
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Post by NAF1138 on May 3, 2010 20:35:07 GMT -5
I agree with you peek, but when I think there are bigger fish to fry and I believe that the mod will do something, then I can't vote that way.
If we are as close to ly-lo as you think we are I am surprised you aren't trying to catch one of the other scum you believe to exist instead.
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Post by peekercpa on May 3, 2010 21:08:03 GMT -5
ok, NAF i'll play.
i think we are at 5 - 2.
i also think one of our lurkers, just based on percentages are scum.
so, throw everything out the window. if i go lurker i feel like i have a 1 in 2 chance of hitting scum and if i go participant then it's 1 in 5. let's assume worse case scenario and they are both scum and i don't go lurker then i've got a zero chance. now let's assume best and they are both town. then i've got a 2 in five chance.
so if our lurkers are both scum not playing them means 0 percent. if one is then not playing is 20 percent and if neither are 40 percent. so a cumulative chance of 20 percent.
not then let's go vote a lurker. both are scum - 100 percent, one is scum 50 percent, neither are - 0 percent. cumulative 50 percent chance.
50 seems better than 20.
now i am not a statistician and i wish chronos or blam were here to poke a hole in the above logic. but i just barely got through calculus and never made it to game theory so the above may be totally faulty logic. but it's the logic i have at my possession.
but in this game we are also blessed with input that can cut down the percentages. problems is that of the two i am talking about there is no information.
and of the five that there is information i would (and i leave myself out because to do otherwise is kind of stupid) i'd put you first, shaggy second, zuma third and cookies fourth. but that is all kind of subjective.
so i've said my piece. if the remaining players/participants come to a definitive concensus that we do not go down the lurker route then i will certainly play along. i think it kind of sucks but will go with the collective.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on May 4, 2010 1:43:43 GMT -5
There isn't anyone on the subs bench.
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Post by luvbwfc on May 4, 2010 4:29:09 GMT -5
On the re-read the shaggy vs NAF stood out to me, and of the pair I am more inclined to believe shaggy is scum due to the deflection noted by NAF yesterday.
Not sure where I stand on the ducduc situation
If he is town
lynching him is a mislynch, but at least we can stop disucssing him and he stops being an unknown
If he is scum
lynching him is a woohoo!
We need to deal with him before Lylo. On balance
vote ducduc
for now.
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Post by peekercpa on May 4, 2010 10:06:22 GMT -5
ed from day 4 Storyteller. AKA SHAGGY, A member of the Town, was killed. It's now Day Three. Day three will end on Thursday Night (about 8 or 9). a post from idle Special Ed, AKA TOTAL LOST, Town, has been found killed. It is now Day. Day will end on Thurs morning, at about eight AM. Good luck everyone! another post from idle test on multi quotes from different threads.
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Post by peekercpa on May 4, 2010 10:08:24 GMT -5
ok, i think i may have figured out the multi quote thingy.
you just end up having to end up in the Day where your final quote comes from, right?
and then you mix and match from the other add quotes, right?
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