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Post by NAF1138 on May 4, 2010 11:11:26 GMT -5
Who do you think the other lurker is peek? Luv? Because in my mind everyone except you and me are lurking in this game.
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Post by peekercpa on May 4, 2010 11:29:12 GMT -5
well, i was putting luv in that bucket. ducky has gone from lurker to non participant to, apparantly, gone forever.
but you are kind of right. z, shaggy and cookies haven't really lit up the sky either.
and the first one of them that show up and shoot the lame: "well there didn't seem much to talk about" is going to irk me to no end. i mean talk begets talk. and talk is how we develop information. so silence is kind of like ifr with no instruments.
but, yeh. you are kind of right. without the two of us this sucker could fit on a post it. which kind of sucks to no end.
but it is the cards that have been dealt so i am going to keep trying.
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Post by NAF1138 on May 4, 2010 12:08:26 GMT -5
well, i was putting luv in that bucket. ducky has gone from lurker to non participant to, apparantly, gone forever. but you are kind of right. z, shaggy and cookies haven't really lit up the sky either. and the first one of them that show up and shoot the lame: "well there didn't seem much to talk about" is going to irk me to no end. i mean talk begets talk. and talk is how we develop information. so silence is kind of like ifr with no instruments. but, yeh. you are kind of right. without the two of us this sucker could fit on a post it. which kind of sucks to no end. but it is the cards that have been dealt so i am going to keep trying. Ok. I am not a fan of luv's vote or its reasoning. I am feeling you are fairly townie (and if you turn up scum I am buying you a beer) so if you want to throw your vote on the actual lurker and off the non participant I am willing to go in that direction. The shaggy vote clearly isn't going anywhere and we need to generate SOME information. So, while shaggy is still choice number 1, I am willing to move my vote. Unvote: shaggy Vote: luv
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Post by peekercpa on May 4, 2010 13:08:53 GMT -5
first let me ask a question
mod question: you said there were no subs on the bench. does that mean ducduc is in it to the end
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Post by peekercpa on May 4, 2010 14:59:17 GMT -5
well, i was putting luv in that bucket. ducky has gone from lurker to non participant to, apparantly, gone forever. but you are kind of right. z, shaggy and cookies haven't really lit up the sky either. and the first one of them that show up and shoot the lame: "well there didn't seem much to talk about" is going to irk me to no end. i mean talk begets talk. and talk is how we develop information. so silence is kind of like ifr with no instruments. but, yeh. you are kind of right. without the two of us this sucker could fit on a post it. which kind of sucks to no end. but it is the cards that have been dealt so i am going to keep trying. Ok. I am not a fan of luv's vote or its reasoning. I am feeling you are fairly townie (and if you turn up scum I am buying you a beer) so if you want to throw your vote on the actual lurker and off the non participant I am willing to go in that direction. The shaggy vote clearly isn't going anywhere and we need to generate SOME information. So, while shaggy is still choice number 1, I am willing to move my vote. Unvote: shaggy Vote: luv <stripped> but why to a lurker as opposed to a non participant? surely scum would try to save their ass at any point. is that it? i mean his vote sucks and stuff but crap i guess i don't get this shit anymore. for all i know cookies is the mastermind and she seems the towniest of all. no read at all on this game, folks. sorry peanut gallery nothing real astute or stupid to be posted at this point 'cause i don't have a fracking clue. i mean i already posted what i thought so rehash is fucking boredom. almost as titillating as nothing.
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Post by NAF1138 on May 4, 2010 15:51:12 GMT -5
Because if you are right and there is more than one scum out there, then lynching ducduc tells us exactly nothing even if he is scum. And right now, I think you will agree, our biggest problem is lack of information, even more than lack of participation.
If there are two scum out there why not move it to another possible scum. I don't think that ducduc is likely to be scum, so you won't get me going down that road with you. I am interested to see what happens if votes stack up on luv though.
You can always move your vote back.
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Post by peekercpa on May 4, 2010 17:23:11 GMT -5
i just don't know NAF.
because i think you are even money to be the last scum to be kind of participating. so to listen to you is madness. but then i am more often wrong so there is that wifom as well. let me got back and read some more.
shit, this is pissing me off in my fucking head.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on May 4, 2010 17:23:29 GMT -5
This is definitely not my best game, but I can't really turn it into something that it isn't either. Between Pleo's play and its fallout, generally low participation from myself and others, and no participation at all from ducduc, it is what it is, which is an unfortunately crappy game that I don't find very engaging.
I'd be willing to vote for luv due to his to vote for ducduc. Peeker is at least playing and from a metagame angle I know that "anti-town" behavior really irks him, so I get a null-tell on his advocacy to lynch ducduc.
The problem that I see is that a scummy NAF covering for a scummy ducduc would probably look and feel exactly the same. NAF's opinion about ducduc's alignment is not one that I see enough data to back up. So I'm stuck here not liking the reasoning of the people who want to vote for ducduc, and also not liking the reasoning of the people who think ducduc is likely town.
It just feels like a coin-flip to me, and I just dislike that this game has boiled down to a coin toss based on a player who is a complete non-entity.
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Post by peekercpa on May 4, 2010 17:46:35 GMT -5
cookies just so we are clear, "anti-town" is kind of self defined whereas "anti-game" is more generally accepted. what ducky is doing is anti-game which is what pisses me off.
ok, the fact that the person i trust the most has kind of weighed in (and by kind of mean sort of) and the fact that i could see a scummy luv pulling that shit
unvote all
vote luv
fuck it roll the tumbling dice.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on May 4, 2010 20:55:07 GMT -5
yeah, I meant to say anti-game.
I hope we're right too. Vote luv[/color]
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Post by luvbwfc on May 5, 2010 0:08:42 GMT -5
well, i was putting luv in that bucket. ducky has gone from lurker to non participant to, apparantly, gone forever. but you are kind of right. z, shaggy and cookies haven't really lit up the sky either. and the first one of them that show up and shoot the lame: "well there didn't seem much to talk about" is going to irk me to no end. i mean talk begets talk. and talk is how we develop information. so silence is kind of like ifr with no instruments. but, yeh. you are kind of right. without the two of us this sucker could fit on a post it. which kind of sucks to no end. but it is the cards that have been dealt so i am going to keep trying. Ok. I am not a fan of luv's vote or its reasoning. I am feeling you are fairly townie (and if you turn up scum I am buying you a beer) so if you want to throw your vote on the actual lurker and off the non participant I am willing to go in that direction. The shaggy vote clearly isn't going anywhere and we need to generate SOME information. So, while shaggy is still choice number 1, I am willing to move my vote. Unvote: shaggy [/color] Vote: luv [/color][/quote] you're gonna be in trouble guys. I'm another mislynch, and you will still have the mystery box that is ducduc to worry about, because whether he is town or scum, he sure as shit ain't gonna get NK'd unvote ducduc
vote NAFYou feel I'm town but you've started a wagon on me which you has now rolled on to 3 votes without you commenting on such. die scum die!
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Post by Idle Thoughts on May 5, 2010 7:37:34 GMT -5
MHaye has subbed in for ducduc.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on May 5, 2010 7:41:02 GMT -5
Luv - 3 votes (NAF, Peeker, Cookies) NAF - 1 vote (Luv)
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Post by Idle Thoughts on May 5, 2010 7:41:22 GMT -5
About 24 hours remain.
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Post by Merestil Haye on May 5, 2010 7:48:18 GMT -5
Afternoon folks.
I'll spend some time this evening reading back over the game and post some contributions then.
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Post by NAF1138 on May 5, 2010 8:22:07 GMT -5
Firstly, luv, if this is a mislynch then you helped bring it along by not giving us enough information about yourself.
OK, great. I want to hear some from Shaggy and I haven't decided if I want to stick with this train.
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Post by peekercpa on May 5, 2010 8:50:19 GMT -5
Afternoon folks. I'll spend some time this evening reading back over the game and post some contributions then. tg. i'm going to leave my vote where it us with the caveat that i really want to hear what mhaye has to say.
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Post by luvbwfc on May 5, 2010 12:09:15 GMT -5
Firstly, luv, if this is a mislynch then you helped bring it along by not giving us enough information about yourself. OK, great. I want to hear some from Shaggy and I haven't decided if I want to stick with this train. and if you were voting me on such a basis fine - but to state that you think I am town and then vote me is .... scummy
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Post by NAF1138 on May 5, 2010 12:55:13 GMT -5
Firstly, luv, if this is a mislynch then you helped bring it along by not giving us enough information about yourself. OK, great. I want to hear some from Shaggy and I haven't decided if I want to stick with this train. and if you were voting me on such a basis fine - but to state that you think I am town and then vote me is .... scummy Well, here's the thing about playing transparently, you are going to be wrong sometimes and you are going to get called scummy when you are wrong. Hazard of the life. That being said, you are clearly wrong about what constitutes scummy actions. Blindingly wrong. If you weren't then you won't have voted for Duc or me, because neither of us has actually done anything that is pro scum. We have just done things you don't particularly like, and that isn't really the same thing at all. You on the other hand (and to be fair, everyone else but Peek as well) have been blatently pro scum almost the whole game because you just haven't been talking. Mafia is a game of informed minority vs uninformed majority. Numbers vs information. IF WE DON'T GENERATE INFORMATION TOWN IS FUCKED. Anyone not posting quality post semi regularly is actively helping scum. This is why you are on the block right now luv. Moving on. I still think Shaggy is most likely scum. I would like to go back there at some point. But I have come around to the idea that there is probably a third scum out there, and frankly it's the safe way to play no matter what I think the likely hood of the reality is. If Shaggy is a lone single scum left then it doesn't matter if we get down to the last 3 players, if there are more scum out there then we are damn close to lylo. (Lylo being toMorrow unless we catch scum toDay.) I needed votes to fall on someone toDay or it was going to end with ducduc being lynched for non participation and that's just a bad idea, particularly now that we have been able to get a sub in and the non participation should no longer be an issue. The more peek posts the more I think he isn't scum, but at this point everyone else has been posting so little that I think they are all shit townies. That includes you. If you are town you have been fucking up in this game. I understand you are currently traveling and you might not be able to rectify the situation, but I don't see anyone else having that excuse. The only way that I can figure on how to get people to participate in this fucking game is to start getting bandwagons going and see what happens. This time it was your turn. I am not convinced that you are scum, but I am convinced that you are lurking and that the lurking is possibly even intentional. I do not know if it is intentional because of malaise or because of scum strategy to not allow town to learn anything, but at this point it doesn't really matter. We need to find out something about you, and again more importantly, about the other players in the game and their willingness to vote for you. We have a little less than 24 hours left in the Day so we have plenty of time to change things up if we need to. I still don't have a read on zuma, and I can't for the life of me remember why I was so convinced that cookies was town. Peek, wanna help me out here and tell me why you are sure she is town?
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Post by luvbwfc on May 5, 2010 13:57:55 GMT -5
explain to me how voting - and ultimately lynching a player you believe to be town is a pro town action?
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Post by luvbwfc on May 5, 2010 13:59:35 GMT -5
do you know, I misunderstood your post where you voted me. You were addressing peek when you said about being town. My bad.
unvote NAF
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Post by NAF1138 on May 5, 2010 14:32:00 GMT -5
do you know, I misunderstood your post where you voted me. You were addressing peek when you said about being town. My bad. unvote NAFAh, and I thought it was because I had put you on my list of probable town earlier in the game. Fair enough.
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Post by peekercpa on May 5, 2010 15:32:41 GMT -5
Peek, wanna help me out here and tell me why you are sure she is town? <snipped> i don't think i ever said i was sure she was town. of the five remaining patcipants (i excluded myself) at the time i posted my ever so thoughtful analysis (this is tongue in cheek) she was at the bottom of my list of possible scum. i also caveated that later with another kind of tongue in cheek mention that she could be the mastermind, for all i know. so it was more along the lines of the least scummy seeming of the remaining folks. so yeh, of the four other folks that had been participating until just recently she got my largest amount of trust. which, to be honest with you is just barely north of none. it's kind of like texas politics. very seldom do i vote for someone because i think they will do a good job or be honest. it's typically more based on who do i believe will do the least shitty job. and i don't want to offend anyone but that's a lot of the way i approach this game in general and this game specifically. i mean i can't honestly say that as a group we have been really "on" this game. and i put myself in that mix as well.
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Post by shaggy on May 5, 2010 16:12:36 GMT -5
Ok so since the day ends tomorrow, I am going to now place my vote.
I had listed last post that I was going back and forth between Luv and NAF but here is the deciding factor for me.
Luv You go after NAF at first for starting the wagon and everything but I posted before that i suspicouns based on your past days posts. I may not have voted but I said I was really thinking of it and why.
And that is the thing still no responce as to the suspiciouns I have on you. It is the reason i tend to always post my suspiciouns first, so I can get some feed back and then decide if I should vote. Let you explain why what i see maynot be exactly what i think I am seeing. But as there was none from you, I see no cause not to go ahead and vote. So for the reasons I posted earlier this day I am going to:
Vote Luvbwfc
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Post by NAF1138 on May 5, 2010 17:47:13 GMT -5
ok, and with that vote I am starting to get mighty uncomfortable with the lynch of luv. That's progress I think.
Moving forward, anyone want to present a clear and concise case against me?
Particularly if you have expressed the feeling that you think I might be scum.
Peeker you are excluded from this exercise. But feel free to keep posting other stuff.
Vote: zuma
for also lurking and being generally hard to read and because I have no other clue and there aren't many people left.
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Post by NAF1138 on May 5, 2010 17:47:56 GMT -5
Oh, I forgot
Unvote: luv
Vote: zuma
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on May 5, 2010 18:08:21 GMT -5
Unvote luv[/color] Vote NAF[/color]
Stop taking it upon yourself to try and save the game from itself and post to your actual suspicions. We have 24 hours to go and while we have some content to sift through, you have no accountability.
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Post by NAF1138 on May 5, 2010 18:15:37 GMT -5
[/color] Vote NAF[/color] Stop taking it upon yourself to try and save the game from itself and post to your actual suspicions. We have 24 hours to go and while we have some content to sift through, you have no accountability. [/quote] Sure I do. I have posted my suspicions. Shaggy, I am fairly certain, is scum. Everyone else, I have no idea anymore and am working on that. Sorry you don't like the way I am going about working on that, but it's not like you guys have given me a lot of other options.
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Post by NAF1138 on May 5, 2010 18:20:54 GMT -5
Oh, I am fairly certain that Peek is town. Again, Peek, if you are not town my hat is off to you. I am back to leaning town on Luv also, but it's only a lean in that direction. I really don't like that he is lurking, and clearly lurking by anyone's definition. He pops up anytime anyone mentions him, but otherwise isn't really around. I also really don't like how easy it was for me to talk everyone into voting for him or that Shaggy voted for him since I feel shaggy is likely scum.
If I am wrong about Shaggy, then I think I would be leaning more toward luv being scum than town, but I don't think I am wrong so I am leaning townward.
I am now voting Zuma because I am leaning more town than scum on you and zuma has given me no read at all this game. That's bad. I need to go back and see why I think that you are town though, because I really don't remember. MHaye/Ducduc I also think is town because of what fisheroo had to say regarding his game abandonment and my feeling that he wouldn't have left the game like that for the reasons she stated he left if he was scum.
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Post by NAF1138 on May 5, 2010 18:24:21 GMT -5
[/color] Vote NAF[/color] Stop taking it upon yourself to try and save the game from itself and post to your actual suspicions. We have 24 hours to go and while we have some content to sift through, you have no accountability. [/quote] Also, we don't have 24 hours to go. We have a little over 15. See the first post on page 1 again. The Day ends tomorrow at around 8AM Pacific.
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