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Post by Idle Thoughts on May 8, 2010 22:22:08 GMT -5
Is is now Day.
Duc Duc/MHaye, AKA PEEKERCPA, TOWN, was killed.
Only five of you left. Have fun! Day ends on Friday at 6am AZ time.
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Post by peekercpa on May 8, 2010 22:53:57 GMT -5
oh fuck.
screw you,
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on May 9, 2010 0:24:55 GMT -5
Vote NAF[/color]
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Post by NAF1138 on May 9, 2010 0:42:31 GMT -5
Vote: vote cookies
I have been totally wrong up until now. Might as well go with counter-intuitive.
I fully expect to be lynched and if there are two scum my lynch will cost town the game so...woohoo.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on May 9, 2010 2:17:57 GMT -5
Is anyone enjoying this game? Even the scum can't be having much fun watching fish shoot themselves in a barrel. I will be glad to be out of this rut.
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Post by Merestil Haye on May 9, 2010 4:25:51 GMT -5
Well, that didn't last long did it?
I told you I'd notice the Dawn.
Go Town.
PS. Idle, may I have spoilers now please?
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Post by luvbwfc on May 9, 2010 5:46:02 GMT -5
vote NAF
There has ot be a scum amongst the active players, and I prefer a NAF lynch to a peek lynch.
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Post by zuma on May 9, 2010 6:15:38 GMT -5
I accidentally posted in the day 4 thread because I was quoting myself from yesterday., I'm posting drunk from reno so cut me some slack please. Let's try again:
I still stand by this and if the total kill was dumb luck, we're probably boned anyway. I can't see voting peeker over NAF at this point, really.
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Post by peekercpa on May 9, 2010 9:01:43 GMT -5
and because this is definitely, i think, lylo.
color=blue]vote loverboy[/color][/b].
we should have done this long ago. fuck this shit.
and i'll tell you all right now, from here on out i am voting for the bastard that is not participating from here on out. i don't even give a shit whether a confirmed dick gets someone in their sights. if you ain't playing you ain't playing from my perspective and as such you don't get to play.
course i could also get behind a z or cookies stretching as well. the one person i will most likely not vote toDay is NAF. otherwise we will have a lot of these conversations:
peek what up? peek not much who the heck do you ask? peek well i was trying to have a conversation. peek i'm you, you nimwit. peek you don't have to be mean about it. peek i'm not being mean, you are just being retarded. peek i'm rubber you are glue whatever you say bounces off me and sticks on you peek good one, einstein.
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Post by peekercpa on May 9, 2010 9:02:54 GMT -5
and fuck i could even code it correctly
vote luv.
happy mother's day, btw.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on May 9, 2010 9:11:53 GMT -5
NAF - 2 votes (Cookies, Luv) Cookies - 1 vote (NAF) Luv - 1 vote (Peeker)
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Post by peekercpa on May 9, 2010 9:15:34 GMT -5
ok. i was re-reading and that last post was a little rash. luv looked to be voting used to be duck but now was mhaye for kind of self preservation reasons. just what you would expect scum to do. expecidally now that used to be duck but now was mhaye flipped town. but then he moved to shaggy. ok, fuck it i have no clue what i was thinking about when i started this post.
vote stands.
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Post by peekercpa on May 9, 2010 12:48:06 GMT -5
[/color] [/quote] i like the reasoning behind this one. vote NAFThere has ot be a scum amongst the active players, and I prefer a NAF lynch to a peek lynch. and i really like the reasoning behind this one. yeh, my vote will stay where it is.
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Post by peekercpa on May 9, 2010 13:10:20 GMT -5
shit luvy you are brimstones about lurker yesterDay but kind of wimpilly. and then you flop. now toDay you want to go active participants.
WHAT THE FUCK WITH DAT?
shit. vote luv
vote luv
vote luv
vote luv
vote luv
vote luv
vote luv
and did i mention i really think we need to stretch luv
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Post by luvbwfc on May 9, 2010 13:34:14 GMT -5
Hey peek, what if I promise you, scout's honour, that I have the AA here and i'm not bluffing you with 72os?
I am town, I am not trying anything on, I'm just voting where i think there is most advantage for town
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Post by peekercpa on May 9, 2010 14:54:14 GMT -5
shit, scout's honor.
well that makes it a whole new ballgame doesn't it.
and you go to al anon, to boot.
comments taken under advisement.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on May 9, 2010 17:20:27 GMT -5
NAF's approach yesterday was dubious, with his vote changing. His reasons for going after Shaggy the whole game were dubious and ultimately wrong, and yes I know I ultimately threw my vote in for him too, but that just makes me wrong. For no reason other than participation level, NAF has been 'leading' the direction of the game for lack of a better word. NAF has a history of participating when he is scum even when no one else is, and this could be another one of those times. And if we are at lylo, mislynching NAF means the game will be over and at this point that is a light at the end of my tunnel even if it throws the game to scum, to be blunt.
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Post by peekercpa on May 9, 2010 20:19:25 GMT -5
can i be candid cookies? this whole disinterst stuff is getting a little trying. i mean i am still plugging ahead. we haven't lost yet. so fuck clovers are green.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on May 10, 2010 4:47:33 GMT -5
How about commenting on the basis my vote that you had asked for? Ah that's right...you've already telegraphed that you're not going to be voting for NAF, with about as much reasoning as initially went with my vote for him. Are you going to vote for me for being disinterested? Because I'm still playing, and participating, and voting, even though all of the things that I usually leverage against seem to be completely absent from this game, which is why I keep pointing it out. But maybe I'm the only one who feels like I'm just going through the motions and killing town at every turn.
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Post by zuma on May 10, 2010 9:13:35 GMT -5
On my drive home yesterday I was thinking about day 2. It was interrupted by Dallas Braden's perfect game. NAF: This was the weirdest part of the game for me so far. NAF has run several games, all pretty well balanced. He's played in even more. I called him on this day 2. He ran (IMHO) the best game I've played so far, you-solve-it, an all-vanilla game. boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9260616&postcount=2NAF: The setup looks like this: 19 Players 5 Disgruntled Assosciates (scum) 14 Assosciates (town) So in NAF's all-vanilla game, we have 26% scum. Maybe a little scum-heavy, but it was more or less balanced, much like most of his games I've played. Yet in this game, he finds it "VERY VERY LIKELY" that there are 2 scum out of 13 players with (at that point) a confirmed cop and likely doctor. 15 percent scum. This day two assertation of his (which I did question and should have persued further) seems completely crazy to me, based on all his previous games. And how can he claim to know what a C9 game is and get the balance so out of whack? How can he have participated in and run so many games and make such a statement? What was he trying to accomplish? Maybe trying to out power roles by claiming we were on the verge of victory with only one scum left on day 2? I'm not even going to say he should have known better, he did know better.
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Post by peekercpa on May 10, 2010 9:15:17 GMT -5
ok cookies here's the deal from my stanpoint. the statement about not voting for NAF was based primarily on frustration.
if you read the rest of the post you can see where i was being a little snarky engaging in a conversation with myself.
and i feel like i just repeat myself at times but i will try again.
i look at everyone in these games with a large dose of skepticism. this is old russia in my mind. you are guilty until proven innocent. now how can we go about making those determinations. for me it's through interaction because my esp is broken. the problem is that it is so subjective and i hate to say based a lot on experience. for example a bill or nanook that maybe has 5 posts a Day doesn't feel as odd if say, for example, ed only had 5 posts in a Day.
so we get to this game specifically. you have been very quiet (compared to how my memory categorizes you). but you are also doing the rl thing and stuff sometimes just occurs and i have no problem with that. i have been a little more active than normal but that's also because of rl (being unemployed does open up the daytime surfing activities appreciably). z seems to pop in and out randomly. and although i see his/her name periodically i don't have anything in the data banks regarding whether this is normal or not. NAF has been a little more involved in this game than i typically remember him being. he's also made some rather odd decisions, imho, so that's a wee bit wonky. but then i come to luv. basically non participatory for the first few Days. then i kind of start down the lurker path and suddenly he is kind of re-engaged.
so right now i am very torn because the lot of you have stuff that in my mind could make you scum. it's just that luv has pushed my warning meter from orange to red whereas the rest of you are merely sitting firmly in orange.
does that make any sense?
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Post by zuma on May 10, 2010 9:17:51 GMT -5
vote: NAF[/b]
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Post by peekercpa on May 10, 2010 9:36:18 GMT -5
neta: and i swear i am no picking on you luv. but shit a lurker that fires away at another lurker and then decides that no way i'll go after NAF for as near as i can tell omgys and then just hops on the shaggy train at the last minute and then goes after an "active player" (NAF - again) and then claims "scout's honor" is just like hard to digest.
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Post by zuma on May 10, 2010 9:38:35 GMT -5
honestly I hope he's right, but 2 scum out of 13 would be the most out of whack unbalanced game i've ever played and is really not worth considering, except for the fact that NAF not only considered it but promoted it.
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Post by zuma on May 10, 2010 9:42:00 GMT -5
neta: and i swear i am no picking on you luv. but shit a lurker that fires away at another lurker and then decides that no way i'll go after NAF for as near as i can tell omgys and then just hops on the shaggy train at the last minute and then goes after an "active player" ( NAF - again) and then claims "scout's honor" is just like hard to digest. I like the "active player" theory. SOMEONE killed total on night one. It was either dumb luck; a good, active player who picked up on whatever clues she dropped, or someone who was familiar with her and knew she was a good player (I take it she was from what i've read).
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Post by NAF1138 on May 10, 2010 11:01:28 GMT -5
What was he trying to accomplish? Maybe trying to out power roles by claiming we were on the verge of victory with only one scum left on day 2? I'm not even going to say he should have known better, he did know better. It doesn't scale linearly. I still contend that in a game with 13 players and a cop and doc only, that 2 scum is the better balance. 3 scum would/will overpower town leaving them with very little shot. This game will be my proof if it turns out there are three scum. Lylo on Day 5 after catching one scum means that there was too little margin for error. Before I die would someone mind making a case against me that actually has something to do with scummy behavior?
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Post by zuma on May 10, 2010 11:14:57 GMT -5
It doesn't scale linearly. I still contend that in a game with 13 players and a cop and doc only, that 2 scum is the better balance. 3 scum would/will overpower town leaving them with very little shot. You contend that a game with 9 vanilla, 1 cop, 1 doc, and 2 scum is as balanced as 14 vanilla, 5 scum? You're not being serious at this point.
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Post by NAF1138 on May 10, 2010 11:24:44 GMT -5
I contend that the balance on that game was bad in favor of scum and that the dossier mechanism was more powerful that a doc/cop put together.
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Post by zuma on May 10, 2010 11:49:24 GMT -5
After an hour or so of reflection, I ws starting to feel the same way. Talking to MTGman cemented the fact that, at this point, town has been given a second and third and fourth chance and it is time to put an end to it. Faithfool is in the process of being killed. She will be dead before the Night is over. Town almost pulled it out. But the scum have won. It's all over but the crying. Bullshit NAF. town was given a second, third, and fourth chance, but now it was overwhelmingly tilted to scum?
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Post by peekercpa on May 10, 2010 12:32:48 GMT -5
Before I die would someone mind making a case against me that actually has something to do with scummy behavior? <snipped> uh, luv already did. you post too fucking much.
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