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Day One
May 24, 2010 15:56:30 GMT -5
Post by Captain Pinkies on May 24, 2010 15:56:30 GMT -5
Hmmm... Wow... Interesting... I see that Special Ed's clan members are coming out...
So.... I moved my vote because there are less than a few days left, and I think having a vote record is important... I feel that LUV role can be useful latter in the game not just for me but for everyone who has common emenies, which is pretty much all of us.... And I am willing to move my vote from someone I have a use for... Or at least potentially have a use for....
As for Special ED... He is playing is typical devils advocate with one expection he voted early and has kept his vote in the same place.. Something you normally do not see on day 1 form experienced players.... I mean you put a vote down and more information is revealed.. You evaluate the best palce for a vote.... He has said that if you are not on his clan(s) then you are his enemy... Well the same hold true for me....
And yes, I think that watching and learning is a fine thing on day 1...
Mahaloth, no I didn't approach Special ED... But he knows who I am... We have played together (not recently).... If he wanted me to be in his clan he would have approached me...
Lost my love, we all are PKF's in this game... And just to be clear you are voting for me because I am keeping a vote on record? Even when you say that not voting is anti-game..... and playing how??? this is day one..... how can I be playing any other way? xoxoxox
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May 24, 2010 16:02:24 GMT -5
Post by Captain Pinkies on May 24, 2010 16:02:24 GMT -5
<== passes a round of lynch mobs for all you to enjoy!!
Ingredients to use: 0.5 shot Jack Daniels 0.5 shot Southern Comfort 0.5 shot Tequila 0.5 shot Vodka
Directions: Mix and drink... I mean choke down. My friends did this to me at a defcon party once. i thought i was going to choke to death... but then it hits you like a ton of bricks and makes u feel oh so good. Do it to prove how tough you are!!
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Day One
May 24, 2010 16:04:19 GMT -5
Post by special on May 24, 2010 16:04:19 GMT -5
I've been a victim of a lynch before just because I've been vocal but I do think that we do need to carry on sharing some ideas in public at least to help remove the "common" enimies from the game. If you are in favor of us sharing information in public, why are you voting for Pinkies? It's Ed who's against us sharing information in public. And that's who Pinkies is voting for. Your vote does not match your stated priorities. I'm not against sharing information in public. I'm against needlessly sharing information in public. You shared the stated win condition that many of us share. We can't be certain that any house of chains members knew so. Here's what I was doing in privte: 1. I was contacting some people. 2. I shared how many times certain very common words appeared in my role PM. This didn't give away the role PM. 3. If they were to share the same, would it increase my trsut of them? Maybe not, maybe the Authors shared that information with a Chain member. 4. However, IF they were unable to verify their role PM had a certain number of common words, I would know that their role PM was different. So, could my endeavor been useless if the authors shared the wincon with the Chains? Yes. Could my endeavor have been successful if they didn't? YES! You took that possibility away. That was anti-Ed. I don't like that. Hell, I didn't even vote for you, because I assume you won't make a similar mistake as the game goes on. Had other people made it, I might assume they were just going to continue being bone-headed. I only made my suggestion before even going back to see who it was.
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May 24, 2010 16:05:46 GMT -5
Post by special on May 24, 2010 16:05:46 GMT -5
because I'm afraid he's in the HoC. I know I don't win with members of the HoC. Any of you who are not HoC could potentially become my clannies as the game progresses. At this point I don't understand voting for someone you don't think is in the HoC over someone who you think might be in the HoC just because they are not in any of your clans right now. I completely agree. I think I'm only taking heat for stating the obvious: barring knowledge of who is Master or Chain, I'd vote for someone not in my clan who is playing poorly for myself and people in my clan.
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Day One
May 24, 2010 16:06:31 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on May 24, 2010 16:06:31 GMT -5
So, you're very confident that the members of the House of Chains had our win condition despite the fact that it was different than as posted in the sample role PM? See, I would have thought that any members of the Hosue of Chains would have gotten the sample role PM. Interesting that you jumped to the conclusion that they didn't. Yes, I am very confident that the moderators of this game are competent and did not leave open that obvious loophole. Do you also think it's possible that the mods gave the HoC and MotD cover roles?
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Day One
May 24, 2010 16:11:10 GMT -5
Post by special on May 24, 2010 16:11:10 GMT -5
Hmmm... Wow... Interesting... I see that Special Ed's clan members are coming out... So.... I moved my vote because there are less than a few days left, and I think having a vote record is important... I feel that LUV role can be useful latter in the game not just for me but for everyone who has common emenies, which is pretty much all of us.... And I am willing to move my vote from someone I have a use for... Or at least potentially have a use for.... Who cares if you don't vote? I actually encourage everyone not aligned with me to not vote. Please, don't vote. It only gives my vote more power. As for Special ED... He is playing is typical devils advocate with one expection he voted early and has kept his vote in the same place.. Something you normally do not see on day 1 form experienced players.... I mean you put a vote down and more information is revealed.. You evaluate the best palce for a vote.... He has said that if you are not on his clan(s) then you are his enemy... Well the same hold true for me.... I voted for the person who seems most likely to be a Chain. As a chain is is now and forever will be my enemy. The rest of you could be my enemy or not as the game progresses. Is it really that difficult to understand? Mahaloth, no I didn't approach Special ED... But he knows who I am... We have played together (not recently).... If he wanted me to be in his clan he would have approached me... I didn't approach Captain... But he knows who I am... We have played together (not recently).... If he wanted me to be in his clan he would have approached me...
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Day One
May 24, 2010 16:17:47 GMT -5
Post by Captain Pinkies on May 24, 2010 16:17:47 GMT -5
Special Ed... you make me giggle and well re-reading your post make me feel like you are not in the HoC... and as you have pointed out we *may* become allies as the game progresses.... So..... Unvote: special ed now to find someone worth lynching....
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Day One
May 24, 2010 16:18:26 GMT -5
Post by fisheroo on May 24, 2010 16:18:26 GMT -5
So, all of the voters for luv are completely comfortable with lynching an investigator? Someone who can get through everyone's BS and say exactly what their role and powers are?
I have a very strong feeling that I am way too honest for this game and will be killed shortly. This may be the best thing.
And for a storm chaser IRL like myself to say that, well, holy shit, you guys are something else.
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Day One
May 24, 2010 16:18:59 GMT -5
Post by moodymitchy on May 24, 2010 16:18:59 GMT -5
I've been a victim of a lynch before just because I've been vocal but I do think that we do need to carry on sharing some ideas in public at least to help remove the "common" enimies from the game. If you are in favor of us sharing information in public, why are you voting for Pinkies? It's Ed who's against us sharing information in public. And that's who Pinkies is voting for. Your vote does not match your stated priorities. SPECIAL ED as far as I can see has not said anything about stopping discussion... he has stated that he wasn't hapy with people who have posted their PM's as it stopped a possible "handshake" taking place. I feel that that is different to discussing ideas and possibilities... I was just saying that I've been a goner before simply for asking what I thought was an innocent question whereas others have read it completly different. Take toDay. We've already had a discussion about possible factions... oppossed to Clans. This could simply have been someone using a different word for it. We've all seen that sort of thing even down to using a different expression for VT.... I don't want us to get to the point where people are even afraid to put out ideas in case they get a vote... of course the difference between this and "normal" mafia is that should I get lynched... I lose and I don't wish to do that... I may/may not join a Clan and if I do then I shall be in my own "scum" team with the object being to remove al the other players from the game. CAPTAIN PINKIES If only the working out of who might be in which Clan was a simple as the assumption you have made about which players jump quickly on a new vote candidate.
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Day One
May 24, 2010 16:31:08 GMT -5
Post by Captain Pinkies on May 24, 2010 16:31:08 GMT -5
Yes Moody it is an over simplification.... but I do find it interesting because the natural tendency is to defend people whom we trust / are aligned with.... Of course someone wouldn't do that so there is not much credence to the therory..... But makes me feel like there is handshaking (or was) happening in the background and some trust.. Which is a good thing...
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Day One
May 24, 2010 16:53:34 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on May 24, 2010 16:53:34 GMT -5
So, all of the voters for luv are completely comfortable with lynching an investigator? Someone who can get through everyone's BS and say exactly what their role and powers are? I have a very strong feeling that I am way too honest for this game and will be killed shortly. This may be the best thing. And for a storm chaser IRL like myself to say that, well, holy shit, you guys are something else. A) He says he's an investigator. We don't know that for sure. B) Even if he is an investigator, he could still be in the HoC. C) Everyone in the game has a power role. D) I don't believe I'm giving to much away by saying I have reason to believe that there are redundant powers in the game. D1) Or multiple people are lying to me. Could be, I'm kind of a naive about that kind of thing. E) He's also a killer.
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Day One
May 24, 2010 16:55:43 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on May 24, 2010 16:55:43 GMT -5
If you are in favor of us sharing information in public, why are you voting for Pinkies? It's Ed who's against us sharing information in public. And that's who Pinkies is voting for. Your vote does not match your stated priorities. I'm not against sharing information in public. I'm against needlessly sharing information in public. You shared the stated win condition that many of us share. We can't be certain that any house of chains members knew so. I didn't needlessly share any information. It was to my advantage to share the information I did. As for what information the House of Chains has or has not, I err on the side of a well-designed game. You do not, and you based your actions on your assumptions of the game design. That's fine to that point, but then you go one to state you will not join a clan with anyone who openly shared information their information as I did. And you specifically called me out. That means I cannot win until you are eliminated. Yes, I am very confident that the moderators of this game are competent and did not leave open that obvious loophole. Do you also think it's possible that the mods gave the HoC and MotD cover roles? I think the Authors spent a long time on this game and eliminated any gimmicky loopholes. That may mean some players were given cover roles. I don't know, but I don't expect to catch anyone that way. Case in point-- luv's claim does not change my opinion of them, which is skeptical. But the "slip" wasn't enough for to vote for them in the first place. So, all of the voters for luv are completely comfortable with lynching an investigator? Someone who can get through everyone's BS and say exactly what their role and powers are? I can't think of any believable power claim that would dissuade me from voting for someone, unless it was confirmably useful, like revealing a House Chains member, for example. As for the BS, we'd get less of that if more players openly claimed.
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Day One
May 24, 2010 17:05:34 GMT -5
Post by fisheroo on May 24, 2010 17:05:34 GMT -5
A) He says he's an investigator. We don't know that for sure. B) Even if he is an investigator, he could still be in the HoC. C) Everyone in the game has a power role. D) I don't believe I'm giving to much away by saying I have reason to believe that there are redundant powers in the game. D1) Or multiple people are lying to me. Could be, I'm kind of a naive about that kind of thing. E) He's also a killer. Oh, I think there are redundant powers. Doesn't make them useless. One investigation is good. Two is better. Three is even better. etc. And I hardly believe you are naive, sinjinBut you have a good point about him being a killer. Be a great asset to a clan...
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Day One
May 24, 2010 17:16:04 GMT -5
Post by fisheroo on May 24, 2010 17:16:04 GMT -5
[green]Can we get an official vote count, one that is accurate, please?[/green]
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Day One
May 24, 2010 17:20:07 GMT -5
Post by The Authors on May 24, 2010 17:20:07 GMT -5
Vote Count
peeker (0): special ed 4 Oredigger (1): guiri 34 luvbwfc (7): special ed 36, Zeriel 39, Oredigger 43, Idle 45, peeker 48, skeezix 51, Cookies 261, Pinkies 262, sinjin 299 special ed (5): Moley 98, Moley 200, luvbwfc 230, fisheroo 268, Pleonast 274, Sister Coyote 276, Pinkies 280 Moley (1): peeker 117 Pinkies (3): moodymitchy 292, Total Lost 294, Mahaloth 295
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May 24, 2010 17:27:42 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on May 24, 2010 17:27:42 GMT -5
Well I've read the thread a lot and tried to work my way around how this game is going to play out (unsuccessfully) and decided to vote luvbwfcbecause I'm afraid he's in the HoC. I know I don't win with members of the HoC. Any of you who are not HoC could potentially become my clannies as the game progresses. At this point I don't understand voting for someone you don't think is in the HoC over someone who you think might be in the HoC just because they are not in any of your clans right now. yoo are so full of poo. seriously, let's play. i think my clans will take you and your supporters down in a fucking nonosecond. let's go mofo. c'mon boys and gilrz the water is warm. let's fucking play.
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May 24, 2010 17:33:48 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on May 24, 2010 17:33:48 GMT -5
And after re-reading; peeks can you clarify this seeming inconsistency:
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Day One
May 24, 2010 18:31:39 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on May 24, 2010 18:31:39 GMT -5
<== passes a round of lynch mobs for all you to enjoy!! Ingredients to use: 0.5 shot Jack Daniels 0.5 shot Southern Comfort 0.5 shot Tequila 0.5 shot Vodka Directions: Mix and drink... I mean choke down. My friends did this to me at a defcon party once. i thought i was going to choke to death... but then it hits you like a ton of bricks and makes u feel oh so good. Do it to prove how tough you are!! Anything with SoCo in it is by no means to be used as a measuring stick as to how tough you are.
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Day One
May 24, 2010 18:41:10 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on May 24, 2010 18:41:10 GMT -5
Day actions need to be in by 8PM EST tomorrow. This means that you have just over 24 hours remaining to send them to MHaye and I. (Not the Authors. We won't punish you if you send it to the Authors, but it'll be sitting amongst significantly more PM's which means it might accidentally be missed.)
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Day One
May 24, 2010 18:47:08 GMT -5
Post by special on May 24, 2010 18:47:08 GMT -5
May I have you attention, please?
It has come to my attention that at least 1 member of at least 1 of my clans has the ability to detect lies.
In an attempt to secure support from my clans in this vote, I am requesting that everyone make the following statement:
"I am neither the Master of the Deck of Dragons nor am I a member of the House of Chains."
Thank you for your cooperation.
oh, and:
I am neither the Master of the Deck of Dragons nor am I a member of the House of Chains.
1. BillMc 2. Captain Pinkies 3. DarkCookies 4. Drain Gead 5. fisheroo 6. Guiri 7. Hal Briston 8. Honest Moley 9. Idle Thoughts 10. luvbwfc 11. Mahaloth 12. moody mitchy 13. nphase 14. Oredigger77 15. peeker 16. Pleonast 17. Red Skeezix 18. sinjin 19. Sister Coyote 20. Special Ed 21. storyteller 22. timmyfellinthewell 23. Total Lost 24. Zeriel 25. zuma
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May 24, 2010 18:58:45 GMT -5
Post by fisheroo on May 24, 2010 18:58:45 GMT -5
In an attempt to secure support from my clans in this vote, I am requesting that everyone make the following statement: Interesting.
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Day One
May 24, 2010 19:05:23 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on May 24, 2010 19:05:23 GMT -5
Well I've read the thread a lot and tried to work my way around how this game is going to play out (unsuccessfully) and decided to vote luvbwfcbecause I'm afraid he's in the HoC. I know I don't win with members of the HoC. Any of you who are not HoC could potentially become my clannies as the game progresses. At this point I don't understand voting for someone you don't think is in the HoC over someone who you think might be in the HoC just because they are not in any of your clans right now. yoo are so full of poo. seriously, let's play. i think my clans will take you and your supporters down in a fucking nonosecond. let's go mofo. c'mon boys and gilrz the water is warm. let's fucking play. Ummmmmm, what exactly is in my post that elicits such venom?
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Day One
May 24, 2010 19:05:58 GMT -5
Post by special on May 24, 2010 19:05:58 GMT -5
In an attempt to secure support from my clans in this vote, I am requesting that everyone make the following statement: Interesting. What's interesting, that someone wants something from me in exchange for a vote? And it's something that actually may benefit me as well, since it may yield useful information. I also notice that you refused to make that statement. Is there a reason?
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Day One
May 24, 2010 19:08:10 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on May 24, 2010 19:08:10 GMT -5
In an attempt to secure support from my clans in this vote, I am requesting that everyone make the following statement: Interesting. I think you're reaction is even more interesting, since: I am neither the Master of the Deck of Dragons nor am I a member of the House of Chains. and you have chosen not to say the same.
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Day One
May 24, 2010 19:25:19 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on May 24, 2010 19:25:19 GMT -5
I am neither the Master of the Deck of Dragons nor am I a member of the House of Chains.
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May 24, 2010 19:40:20 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on May 24, 2010 19:40:20 GMT -5
I am neither the Master of the Deck of Dragons nor am I a member of the House of Chains.
I'm dubious though. Surely the mods wouldn't have made it that easy.
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Day One
May 24, 2010 19:40:38 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on May 24, 2010 19:40:38 GMT -5
I am neither the Master of the Deck of Dragons nor am I a member of the House of Chains.
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Day One
May 24, 2010 19:50:31 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on May 24, 2010 19:50:31 GMT -5
I am neither the Master of the Deck of Dragons nor am I a member of the House of Chains.
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Day One
May 24, 2010 20:09:51 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on May 24, 2010 20:09:51 GMT -5
I'm dubious though. Surely the mods wouldn't have made it that easy. It's worth a shot.
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Day One
May 24, 2010 20:10:04 GMT -5
Post by Renata on May 24, 2010 20:10:04 GMT -5
So, all of the voters for luv are completely comfortable with lynching an investigator? Someone who can get through everyone's BS and say exactly what their role and powers are? I have a very strong feeling that I am way too honest for this game and will be killed shortly. This may be the best thing. And for a storm chaser IRL like myself to say that, well, holy shit, you guys are something else. I think luv's role claim may well serve to neutralize him -- all it would take is one roleblocker who's against him or worried about him. I wouldn't count on getting many results (or kills, for that matter) out of luv even if he is not HoC, and even if he survives today. Therefore, vote: luv[/color] Sorry in a way for being so cold-blooded, but I see this game the opposite way that some here seem to -- not as "kill everybody who's not me and my three buddies", not even primarily as "search for and destroy the MoDD and the HoC" -- I think that will fall into place naturally as the game goes on -- but as "search for reliable, useful and most of all long-lived allies". Today's events make luv a questionable choice for the latter two categories. I'd love to be able to justify my vote as due to a strong belief that he is HoC, but I'm not sure -- his original breadcrumb I see as a null tell and nothing since has shifted me far from that position. So I'm going with pragmatism. I hope I'll have something better Tomorrow. Also: I am neither the Master of the Deck of Dragons nor am I a member of the House of Chains. Although, yuck. I've gone off such statements rather strongly since Screamers (and to a large extent because of it).
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