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May 25, 2010 23:00:50 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on May 25, 2010 23:00:50 GMT -5
Ugh -- my apologies to everyone for vanishing. Nothing major, just work and family taking up too much time. The next 24 hours will bring welcome relief (read: the deadline for this project) -- I'll be catching up shortly. the flock keeping you busy?
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May 26, 2010 0:16:06 GMT -5
Post by moodymitchy on May 26, 2010 0:16:06 GMT -5
Looks like I have a lot of reading to catch up on But to keep Ed happy "I am neither the Master of the Deck of Dragons nor am I a member of the House of Chains." Tho I do seem to recall that in the Princess Bride game, one of the scum had an action that could only be used on folk who had said a particular phrase - so we possibly have just all made ourselves eligible for some action. How interesting that you come in with this 9 minutes after the deadline for Day actions. SPECIAL ED BILLMc stated that he would be away on holiday for most of Day one with very limited access... this could just be pure coincedence... And oh shit I'd forgotten about the WIFOM from the Princes Bride game ;D ;D
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May 26, 2010 0:42:52 GMT -5
Post by timmy on May 26, 2010 0:42:52 GMT -5
As for the current votes, I'm going to make a one-off, for various reasons. Vote: vote timmy To characterize what luv did as a "slip" is both sloppy and misleading. I'm not sure if a blatant gambit is better or worse than a slip--I guess technically you could make the argument either way. But to know a bit about why timmy characterized it the way he did might make a difference in how we view luv. Honestly, I think I take luv at face value with the gambit--it would have been a very, very risky move to make if she were a HoC member, and I think too many of us are falling into the trap of assuming that there is a "Scum team" and that consists of HoC. While that's possible, this game was not advertised as being anything like traditional Mafia, and we probably shouldn't treat it that way until we know a little more. The idea that there are a few HoC out there and they have to find each other and join a primary clan together in order to win is a bit crazy. Let's say they do that. And then we find one of them. We then lynch each member of their clan in order. Game over. I don't think the mods would have designed a game that works in that manner. That having been said, if luv's roleclaim is true, there has to be a reason to have a role investigator in the first place. And that means that there have to be people who are motivated to lie about their roles in a way that I am not. First, I apologize for mischaracterizing luv's actions as a "slip." I'm a bit rusty at mafia and this being my third game I'm still learning the vernacular. I feel luv "made a mistake" by trying to lure out any HoC members--- it may work on newbie players, but not this bunch. Nonetheless, in games which I've participated or watched on the sidelines, such an action (as luv's gambit) sparks a cavalcade of votes against the instigator. In short, it's not a smart thing to do. (And second: being the apparent "newbie" in this game, I can't help but feel such a statement may have been indirectly aimed at me.) Lastly, I'm going to unvote Ed. His claim, and PMs I've received have me rethinking my position. UnvoteVote luvBecause no matter how you put it, it's a gambit that should not have been played.
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May 26, 2010 0:58:28 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on May 26, 2010 0:58:28 GMT -5
I am not the Master of teh Deck of Dragons nor am I a member of the House of Chains And to answer nphases point, so what if i do attract a roleblock. The very fact that the block is being used on me is of some use, cos if im dead, it'll be used on someone else. It just seems to convenient that the most suspicious player with the most votes "misspelles" the statement that's going to be investigated. I don't buy it - sorry. Unvote CapVote Luvbwfc
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May 26, 2010 1:16:15 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on May 26, 2010 1:16:15 GMT -5
I am neither the Master of the Deck of Dragons nor am I a member of the House of Chains. I also don't like being led around by the nose. I'm not sure I buy that Luv was just trying to sucking in the HOC but I think that there is enough suspicion out there that he will probably die toNight or be proven to be truthful by our lie detector.On the other hand it seems that Special Ed has been making lots of deal that don't involve me. I at least want to know who he's been dealing with and I think getting the vote closer should flush out a couple of his supporters so Unvote Luv Vote Special EdI don't understand this post - and have read it over and over again. Why would you believe the lie detector could prove anything, when your vote brings him closer to a lynch? How would we get any informations from a dead player? Also - I'm wonderring a bit about the use of the word "proven truthful". Why do you suddenly believe he's telling the truth... when you in fact up to that point had a vote on him?
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May 26, 2010 1:18:16 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on May 26, 2010 1:18:16 GMT -5
I am not the Master of teh Deck of Dragons nor am I a member of the House of Chains And to answer nphases point, so what if i do attract a roleblock. The very fact that the block is being used on me is of some use, cos if im dead, it'll be used on someone else. It just seems to convenient that the most suspicious player with the most votes "misspelles" the statement that's going to be investigated. I don't buy it - sorry. Unvote CapVote LuvbwfcFFS how about 2 posts later, where totally unprompted I post oit again for this reason.
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May 26, 2010 1:26:10 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on May 26, 2010 1:26:10 GMT -5
May I have your attention, please? For those of you who were not in Space Hijack, let me say this: I informed you that at least 1 member of at least 1 of my clans was a Lie Detector. That member happens to be me, Silverfox. I investigated one of the statements made toDay. That statement was returned as "true" I know of one player who is neither the Master of the Deck nor a member of the House of Chains. Then spill dude. It would be a shame if this person went fown to friendly fire, OK if you spill they may go down to hostile fire, but at least the other Ascendants can get on with hunting down MODD & HOC
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May 26, 2010 2:07:25 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on May 26, 2010 2:07:25 GMT -5
Looks like I have a lot of reading to catch up on But to keep Ed happy "I am neither the Master of the Deck of Dragons nor am I a member of the House of Chains." Tho I do seem to recall that in the Princess Bride game, one of the scum had an action that could only be used on folk who had said a particular phrase - so we possibly have just all made ourselves eligible for some action. How interesting that you come in with this 9 minutes after the deadline for Day actions. How interesting that I just got back from vacation.
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May 26, 2010 7:38:25 GMT -5
Post by special on May 26, 2010 7:38:25 GMT -5
No, I will not make this person a target. Were it to get to the point where they risked being lynched, I would say something. May I have your attention, please? For those of you who were not in Space Hijack, let me say this: I informed you that at least 1 member of at least 1 of my clans was a Lie Detector. That member happens to be me, Silverfox. I investigated one of the statements made toDay. That statement was returned as "true" I know of one player who is neither the Master of the Deck nor a member of the House of Chains. Then spill dude. It would be a shame if this person went fown to friendly fire, OK if you spill they may go down to hostile fire, but at least the other Ascendants can get on with hunting down MODD & HOC
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May 26, 2010 7:39:13 GMT -5
Post by special on May 26, 2010 7:39:13 GMT -5
How interesting that you come in with this 9 minutes after the deadline for Day actions. How interesting that I just got back from vacation. was it an interesting vacation? Come on, though, you have to admit returning from vacation 9 minutes afterthe deadline is, in fact, interesting, no? Don't worry though, it's not Day 3 yet
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May 26, 2010 8:14:55 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on May 26, 2010 8:14:55 GMT -5
No, I will not make this person a target. Were it to get to the point where they risked being lynched, I would say something. Then spill dude. It would be a shame if this person went fown to friendly fire, OK if you spill they may go down to hostile fire, but at least the other Ascendants can get on with hunting down MODD & HOC Nice, so you're a lie detector - honest guv! So if by some miracle I survived today, and came in to tomorrow saying I have investigated someone, and it's OK, they are not HOC or MODD (assuming that role inv gives me this) but I'm keeping it to myself, you would be fine with this? BS you would rip me to shreds.
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May 26, 2010 8:18:40 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on May 26, 2010 8:18:40 GMT -5
was it an interesting vacation? Pretty interesting - with day time highs ranging from 6c to 39c. Come on, though, you have to admit returning from vacation 9 minutes afterthe deadline is, in fact, interesting, no? No less interesting than being on 1 minute before. Don't worry though, it's not Day 3 yet
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May 26, 2010 8:25:00 GMT -5
Post by special on May 26, 2010 8:25:00 GMT -5
No, I will not make this person a target. Were it to get to the point where they risked being lynched, I would say something. Nice, so you're a lie detector - honest guv! So if by some miracle I survived today, and came in to tomorrow saying I have investigated someone, and it's OK, they are not HOC or MODD (assuming that role inv gives me this) but I'm keeping it to myself, you would be fine with this? BS you would rip me to shreds. If we were playing Mafia, yes, I would rip you to shreds. We aren't playing Mafia, however. Please, though, give me a list of pros and cons for making this inforamtion public. I'm willing to be swayed by a good argument.
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May 26, 2010 8:32:21 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on May 26, 2010 8:32:21 GMT -5
I'm f'ing pissed that they claimed AND gave away their win condition. I assume that the house of chains have a different win condition. It would be silly if they needed themselves eliminated in order tow in. Well the wincon was quoted in the sample PM - and given the calibre of the Mods - I doubt that they would collectively make the error of constructing PM's in such a way handshaking could be done. So Pleo posting his role doesn't ping me. Similarly, given the eloquence of the PM's, I would suspect that anyone who was in need of a cover PM would be given one, rather than trying to copy the same writing style. Claims: - Pleo - Lady Envy, Lady of the Dragon Hold - "Vote Cancellation" Each Night I target one player. The next Day their vote does not count toward the lynch total. It may count for other purposes. Although the Authors did not explain further, I expect there to be other vote-related or triggered powers.
- Honest Moley - You are T'riss, Queen of High House Life, Goddess of Divination, the Queen of Dreams.
"During the last twenty-four hours before Dawn, you can choose a target to whom you will grant the ability to change its night action should it so desire. (You will want to make sure all Authors are informed of this so there is time to do so.) The Authors will then inform that target that it can change any or all of its currently chosen action for that Night."
- luvbwfc - Cotillion, also known as The Rope, Assassin of High House Shadow and Patron God of Assassins. Each Night, you may choose a target to investigate. If successful, you will discover that target's full role and power description. Additionally, on any Night you can forgo your investigation to kill any previously successfully investigated player instead.
- Ed? - Lie Detector (day action)
There can't be too many killing roles out there, or the game will not go the distance expected; and for any Clan to win, they have to be able to wipe out the others -- so if luv is truthful, then he is a powerful ally to have in your clan. With everyone being essentially a 3rd party by default, it's more a matter of figuring out allegiances at any given time - however luv's claim does not indicate that he would learn any clan allegiances. So your chances of "winning" are really down to a) how useful your powers are to your clan vs b) how much of a threat your powers are to other clans and the master/house of chains if they exist. So you really have the choice of posting your PM publically and taking your chances, PM'ing various folk in private and hope you haven't PM'd the wrong ones and end up dead. So since it isn't day three - I'll try something different. We have two claims, each claiming one power; and luv claiming two. So I'll raise the stakes - I have three protective powers.
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May 26, 2010 8:33:12 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on May 26, 2010 8:33:12 GMT -5
And oh yeah, this post struck me as slightly odd: Pleonast, there's someone in the game who wants to kill you specifically, and you make yourself public? Why? It kinda seems that nphase was unaware of the "master of the deck" before Pleo's PM (Master of the Deck is not mentioned in the sample PM). Similarly, the use of the word specifically reinforces the thesis that she was unaware of the Master of the Deck.
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May 26, 2010 8:36:22 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on May 26, 2010 8:36:22 GMT -5
Nice, so you're a lie detector - honest guv! So if by some miracle I survived today, and came in to tomorrow saying I have investigated someone, and it's OK, they are not HOC or MODD (assuming that role inv gives me this) but I'm keeping it to myself, you would be fine with this? BS you would rip me to shreds. If we were playing Mafia, yes, I would rip you to shreds. We aren't playing Mafia, however. Please, though, give me a list of pros and cons for making this inforamtion public. I'm willing to be swayed by a good argument. Firstly it commits you to a data point. If this is later disproved then you are a proven liar. Secondly when your role becomes known through whatever mechanic, this will be used against the person named, if you were telling the truth they would be cleared of HoC MODD association, if you were revealed as HOC or MODD yourself, then there would be WIFOM of why you chose party A to "clear" These next points suppose you are truthful Thirdly it reduces the pool actual HoC & MODD are hiding in Fourthly it reduces the chance of a firendly fire incident on the named party Fifthly - yes the party may become a target for HoC, MoDD, but they may be already if HoC know who each other are Sixthly this could be mitigated by any prot roles having a clue who to protect
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May 26, 2010 8:36:22 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on May 26, 2010 8:36:22 GMT -5
As for a vote, I'm tempted to vote for nphase for apparently not being aware of the "master of the deck".
But since luv has declared himself a killing role, and he is not a member of any of my clans, then he is a threat.
Vote: luvbwfc
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May 26, 2010 8:38:26 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on May 26, 2010 8:38:26 GMT -5
As for a vote, I'm tempted to vote for nphase for apparently not being aware of the "master of the deck". But since luv has declared himself a killing role, and he is not a member of any of my clans, then he is a threat. Vote: luvbwfc [/color][/quote] I can't kill until night 2 minimum, and then only if I have a successful investigation and that person is still alive to be killed. As killing roles go i'm not so dangerous at all. Of course you could just be trying to weakly justify a lynch that benefits you (this goes for many (most) of the votes on me)
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May 26, 2010 8:42:22 GMT -5
Post by special on May 26, 2010 8:42:22 GMT -5
Well the wincon was quoted in the sample PM - and given the calibre of the Mods - I doubt that they would collectively make the error of constructing PM's in such a way handshaking could be done. So Pleo posting his role doesn't ping me. But the sample PM did not mention the Master of the Deck at all. That wa useful information perhaps for handshaking. All it would have taken was one person failing the handshake to confirm that the other handshakes had some validity. As it is, Pleo took away the opportunity to discover if it was useful
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May 26, 2010 8:51:31 GMT -5
Post by special on May 26, 2010 8:51:31 GMT -5
If we were playing Mafia, yes, I would rip you to shreds. We aren't playing Mafia, however. Please, though, give me a list of pros and cons for making this inforamtion public. I'm willing to be swayed by a good argument. Firstly it commits you to a data point. If this is later disproved then you are a proven liar. Secondly when your role becomes known through whatever mechanic, this will be used against the person named, if you were telling the truth they would be cleared of HoC MODD association, if you were revealed as HOC or MODD yourself, then there would be WIFOM of why you chose party A to "clear" These next points suppose you are truthful Thirdly it reduces the pool actual HoC & MODD are hiding in Fourthly it reduces the chance of a firendly fire incident on the named party Fifthly - yes the party may become a target for HoC, MoDD, but they may be already if HoC know who each other are Sixthly this could be mitigated by any prot roles having a clue who to protect Valid points, I suppose. The cons I see dion't overcome them 1. Many people won't believe me anyway. 2. In order to believe me, they will want me dead to 'verify' my honesty. I don't want to be dead. And, assuming I am trusted... 3. This person will have a huge target on their back from Chains and Master 4. Everyone will want to clan with this person, limiting my chance to clan with them. 5. I've given away information potentially useful to my clan in competing with other clans. 6. I can prevent their lynch by claiming them at any point. 7. With, potentially many killing, protecting, blocking, unblocking, vote manipulation powers, I can't be sure someone would have the protection they needed.
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May 26, 2010 8:53:19 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on May 26, 2010 8:53:19 GMT -5
It all boils down to this game not being mafia. I can't get away from trying to treat it as such though. This is a problem I won't have for much longer it seems.
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May 26, 2010 8:54:21 GMT -5
Post by Renata on May 26, 2010 8:54:21 GMT -5
And oh yeah, this post struck me as slightly odd: Pleonast, there's someone in the game who wants to kill you specifically, and you make yourself public? Why? It kinda seems that nphase was unaware of the "master of the deck" before Pleo's PM (Master of the Deck is not mentioned in the sample PM). Similarly, the use of the word specifically reinforces the thesis that she was unaware of the Master of the Deck. I have no idea how you draw that conclusion from what I wrote. I am an Ascendant, and at the time with only my own PM to draw from for context, I had assumed that the Master of the Deck needing to eliminate Ascendants meant that that player needed to eliminate a specific pool of players, which included me. It would never in a million years have occurred to me to make it public that I was in that pool -- hello, target practice! It baffled me that Pleo had done so. Now that it's been made more clear that the Ascendant category includes just about everybody, Pleo's action doesn't seem so suicidal, but I'm still confused how he could have drawn the conclusion in the first place that it was a safe action to take.
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May 26, 2010 9:21:43 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on May 26, 2010 9:21:43 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm late to teh party, whatever, my wife is officially pregnant so your complaints are invalid. =P
I am neither the Master of the Deck of Dragons nor am I a member of the House of Chains.
Having just re-read the thread, I'm not seeing a lot of reason to move my vote. Frankly, this kind of poking around is what I was expecting from such a novel game.
My biggest comment is that I think that Special Ed would be foolish to reveal his investigation results to anyone but his primary clan, unless said release would prevent his lynching. I mean, realistically, only Ed knows who the other members of "his team" are.
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May 26, 2010 9:37:33 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on May 26, 2010 9:37:33 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm late to teh party, whatever, my wife is officially pregnant so your complaints are invalid. =P Congratulation!! [inside joke] If it's a girl - could you please name her Danger [/inside joke]
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May 26, 2010 9:41:31 GMT -5
Post by Renata on May 26, 2010 9:41:31 GMT -5
Congratulations, Zeriel.
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May 26, 2010 9:57:02 GMT -5
Post by special on May 26, 2010 9:57:02 GMT -5
Congratulations, Zeriel!
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May 26, 2010 10:01:30 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on May 26, 2010 10:01:30 GMT -5
Darn - are you supposed to have an S at the end?? Congratulation s, Zeriel
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May 26, 2010 10:04:26 GMT -5
Post by special on May 26, 2010 10:04:26 GMT -5
Darn - are you supposed to have an S at the end?? Congratulation s, Zeriel I suppose you can give him just 1 congratulation if you'd like. Most people give quite a few since they're free and they're nice ;D
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May 26, 2010 10:08:44 GMT -5
Post by The Authors on May 26, 2010 10:08:44 GMT -5
Vote Count peeker (0): special ed 4Oredigger (1): guiri 34 luvbwfc (10): special ed 36, Zeriel 39, Oredigger 43, Idle 45, peeker 48, skeezix 51, Cookies 261, Pinkies 262, sinjin 299, nphase 329, story 343, timmy 392, Total Lost 393, BillMc 406 special ed (6): Moley 98, Moley 200, luvbwfc 230, fisheroo 268, Pleonast 274, Sister Coyote 276, Pinkies 280, Oredigger 349, story 347, timmy 358Moley (1): peeker 117 Pinkies (2): moodymitchy 292, Total Lost 294, Mahaloth 295 timmy (1): Drain 371 Not Voting (6): story, Hal Briston, Pinkies, zuma [/color][/quote] This vote did not count, as it was not properly preceded by an unvote. Please don't make our lives any harder than it already is.
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May 26, 2010 10:10:33 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on May 26, 2010 10:10:33 GMT -5
fuck z has an outie. who would have thunk it.
congrats, btw.
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