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Day One
May 19, 2010 22:04:08 GMT -5
Post by special on May 19, 2010 22:04:08 GMT -5
So it appears that there are mulitple factions seperate from the clans that we create does anyone have any idea how we could find our natural faction? Since we each need certain factions eliminated and our primary clan to survive we need to make sure that oppositional factions are not in our clan or kill of primary clan members to win. I'm a bit at a loss how to do this. So while we're making backroom deals I figure it might give us something to talk about in the thread. huh? what factions?
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Day One
May 19, 2010 22:13:27 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on May 19, 2010 22:13:27 GMT -5
I am exquisitely confused. I need to digest some of this and figure out if I have any coherent thoughts. In the meanwhile, my cat keeps puking, so I think I'm going to wait until tomorrow morning.
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Day One
May 19, 2010 22:35:33 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on May 19, 2010 22:35:33 GMT -5
So it appears that there are mulitple factions seperate from the clans that we create does anyone have any idea how we could find our natural faction? Since we each need certain factions eliminated and our primary clan to survive we need to make sure that oppositional factions are not in our clan or kill of primary clan members to win. I'm a bit at a loss how to do this. So while we're making backroom deals I figure it might give us something to talk about in the thread. huh? what factions? yaknow. that is a good question. what the heck i thought we were all autonomous third parties free to set up our own little subgroups.
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Day One
May 20, 2010 2:45:22 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on May 20, 2010 2:45:22 GMT -5
I have little idea where to start in this game, usually it's a case of winkling out the scum and the 3rd parties, but in a game comprised entirely of 3rd parties (some who it seems must have non competing win conditions) I have no clue what to do. I feel like I'm in chains here!
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Day One
May 20, 2010 2:53:49 GMT -5
Post by guiri on May 20, 2010 2:53:49 GMT -5
So it appears that there are mulitple factions seperate from the clans that we create does anyone have any idea how we could find our natural faction? Since we each need certain factions eliminated and our primary clan to survive we need to make sure that oppositional factions are not in our clan or kill of primary clan members to win. I'm a bit at a loss how to do this. So while we're making backroom deals I figure it might give us something to talk about in the thread. huh? what factions? From the sample role PM, my role PM, and color provided so far, I can only see one faction, apparently distinct from the clan mechanism, that must be eliminated as part of our generic win condition: Win Condition: You win when all members of the House of Chains have been eliminated, and your Primary Clan cannot be prevented from killing all other players before all Primary Members of the clan itself is wiped out. I may be wrong but I presumed this means that some players are members of the House of Chains and the majority of us need to eliminate them as part of our win condition. The Authors stated that this was the standard win condition in the "Everything you..." thread and they also said "There may be a small number of players with a completely different win condition" and "some players... ...will have one or more additional conditions". I guess the main concern when forming clans is that a member of the House of Chains could infiltrate your Primary Clan and thus make your win condition pretty tricky to achieve but I don't see how that's any more difficult than a LyLo situation in a normal game of mafia. I wonder what other factions OreDigger is referring to. Unless he's proposing that characters related to each of the races (Tiste Andii, Tiste Edur, etc.) or each of the houses (House of Dark, Light, Shadow, etc.) somehow gain advantage by joining the same clan. I have seen no indication of this being the case either in the color so far, the sample PM or my own PM. It may, however, make sense for members of the House of Chains to find each other and form an alliance. If OreDigger's win condition requires him to eliminate any faction other than members of the House of Chains ("we each need certain factions eliminated"), I don't think it's a stretch to assume he is a member of the House of Chains himself and thus needs to be eliminated. Vote: OreDigger Or have I missed something and there really are other factions out there? In an all-3rd party PFK game? NETA On preview, lubwfc, was that an attempt at a breadcrumb? Do you have a physical disability?
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Day One
May 20, 2010 3:38:06 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on May 20, 2010 3:38:06 GMT -5
NETA On preview, lubwfc, was that an attempt at a breadcrumb? Do you have a physical disability? I hadn't seen the sample PM. I didn't know we were ALL gunning for the house of chains. I was coyly trying to tempt one or more chainites to contact me for clan forming purposes. The fact that every bugger has the "house of chains" thing in their pm means I wasn't being nearly as subtle as I had hoped.
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Day One
May 20, 2010 7:03:06 GMT -5
Post by special on May 20, 2010 7:03:06 GMT -5
I have little idea where to start in this game, usually it's a case of winkling out the scum and the 3rd parties, but in a game comprised entirely of 3rd parties (some who it seems must have non competing win conditions) I have no clue what to do. I feel like I'm in chains here! bolding and underlining mine unvote: peeker vote: luvbwfc[/color]
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Day One
May 20, 2010 7:42:59 GMT -5
Post by The Authors on May 20, 2010 7:42:59 GMT -5
I need to nip a problem in the bud:
Each Dawn and Dusk, we will publish the Clan Roll. This will include the name of each clan that has been formed and the number of Primary Members of that clan.
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Day One
May 20, 2010 8:09:30 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on May 20, 2010 8:09:30 GMT -5
Dunno if anyone else got this bit of info or if I'm the only one, but I was informed that there's a bad guy in this game trying to kill all of us. Seems to me like a serial killer type role and it's called the Master of the Deck of Dragons.
My wincon is that of the quoted sample with one difference, that the Master of the Deck of Dragons is killed too.
I agree Orediggers comments seem very out there since I join those never thinking we had any such group we had to find. I assumed we made our own groups as we saw fit.
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Day One
May 20, 2010 8:18:19 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on May 20, 2010 8:18:19 GMT -5
Well that's an interesting "subtlety".
vote: luvbwfc
Still pondering how to form clans myself. It seems that there are potentially three distinct groups mentioned (clan-formers, house of chains, and master of the deck of dragons) by others in this thread so far, so it seems like the actual primary goal here in the early days is trying to suss out who might be a member of a faction not your own in addition to who might have useful powers or mafia-playing skills for your clan.
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Day One
May 20, 2010 8:19:05 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on May 20, 2010 8:19:05 GMT -5
I have little idea where to start in this game, usually it's a case of winkling out the scum and the 3rd parties, but in a game comprised entirely of 3rd parties (some who it seems must have non competing win conditions) I have no clue what to do. I feel like I'm in chains here! bolding and underlining mine unvote: peeker vote: luvbwfc[/color][/quote] I responded to the same question from Guiri in the posty immediately above yours. I will categorically state that I am NOT in the House of Chains. I was hoping to be invited to a clan by such though, which was the point of my post.
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Day One
May 20, 2010 8:26:49 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on May 20, 2010 8:26:49 GMT -5
Well that's an interesting "subtlety". vote: luvbwfcStill pondering how to form clans myself. It seems that there are potentially three distinct groups mentioned (clan-formers, house of chains, and master of the deck of dragons) by others in this thread so far, so it seems like the actual primary goal here in the early days is trying to suss out who might be a member of a faction not your own in addition to who might have useful powers or mafia-playing skills for your clan. Except, as I understand the setup, at this moment, before I have joined any clan, every single player in the game is of a faction that is not mine. Right now, I literally need to kill every single one of you all in order to win - and you all need to kill everyone else, too. We can adjust that situation by forming our own factions, and there may be pre-existing factions out there. Once factions begin to form, we can look for connections among players, I suppose. But for now, I'm not sure how to go about deciding on a vote. Hm.
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Day One
May 20, 2010 8:27:35 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on May 20, 2010 8:27:35 GMT -5
Well that's an interesting "subtlety". vote: luvbwfcStill pondering how to form clans myself. It seems that there are potentially three distinct groups mentioned (clan-formers, house of chains, and master of the deck of dragons) by others in this thread so far, so it seems like the actual primary goal here in the early days is trying to suss out who might be a member of a faction not your own in addition to who might have useful powers or mafia-playing skills for your clan. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Only it sucks because obviously this master role will be someone and might be in your clan and will be actively trying to work against everyone else.
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Day One
May 20, 2010 9:00:52 GMT -5
Post by oredigger77 on May 20, 2010 9:00:52 GMT -5
Dunno if anyone else got this bit of info or if I'm the only one, but I was informed that there's a bad guy in this game trying to kill all of us. Seems to me like a serial killer type role and it's called the Master of the Deck of Dragons. My wincon is that of the quoted sample with one difference, that the Master of the Deck of Dragons is killed too. I had an addition of the Deck Master as well and I think it's reasonable that in an "all third party game" to believe that there are probably even more factions then the three we know of. Asides from that it appears that we have an admission of being in the house of Chains or at least someone who wants to join with them so I'll: Vote luvbwfc[/color]
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Day One
May 20, 2010 9:12:28 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on May 20, 2010 9:12:28 GMT -5
Looks like my usual day one mojo is in affect.
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Day One
May 20, 2010 9:18:02 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on May 20, 2010 9:18:02 GMT -5
Anyway, just reread the topic. Vote luvbwfc
My PM says the House of Chains needs to be eliminated, so I'd doubt you'd want to join it. Your post about "being in chains" is pretty fishy. This leads me to wonder if the House of Chains is a pre-formed group or one where the members have to try to find each other. If the latter, then Luv's posts could clearly be read as dropping hints as to who he is.
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Day One
May 20, 2010 9:21:29 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on May 20, 2010 9:21:29 GMT -5
Anyway, just reread the topic. Vote luvbwfcMy PM says the House of Chains needs to be eliminated, so I'd doubt you'd want to join it. Your post about "being in chains" is pretty fishy. This leads me to wonder if the House of Chains is a pre-formed group or one where the members have to try to find each other. If the latter, then Luv's posts could clearly be read as dropping hints as to who he is. I never said I wanted to join it. I said i wanted to be contacted by a HoC person, so's I would have them identified. Obviously too high risk a strategem as I am going to die for it.
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Day One
May 20, 2010 9:23:44 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on May 20, 2010 9:23:44 GMT -5
Holy crap, I thought regular Mafia was a time-suck. I may never leave this page again.
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Day One
May 20, 2010 9:25:21 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on May 20, 2010 9:25:21 GMT -5
yeh, i am not sure what to make of that. it was either a really lame attempt at a breadcrumb or a reallly out of place attempt at humor.
vote luv
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Day One
May 20, 2010 9:30:13 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on May 20, 2010 9:30:13 GMT -5
Anyway, just reread the topic. Vote luvbwfcMy PM says the House of Chains needs to be eliminated, so I'd doubt you'd want to join it. Your post about "being in chains" is pretty fishy. This leads me to wonder if the House of Chains is a pre-formed group or one where the members have to try to find each other. If the latter, then Luv's posts could clearly be read as dropping hints as to who he is. I never said I wanted to join it. I said i wanted to be contacted by a HoC person, so's I would have them identified. Obviously too high risk a strategem as I am going to die for it. Hm, well, I read this: ..as wanting to join it, which it can be read as, as well. But that leads me to two questions. Suppose the HoC is already pre-formed: Why would they contact you to join them? Suppose it's not pre-formed: How would you know this (I.E. How would you know you'd have to have a HoC member find you via your subtle hint)?
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Day One
May 20, 2010 9:33:12 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on May 20, 2010 9:33:12 GMT -5
I'll make one more attempt at this, before letting you all lynch me en masse.
I hadn't been in the section of the board where the sample role pm was. Until I saw someone reference it I didn't even know there was such a thing. So I had only MY role pm to go on. My win condition states I need all House of Chains peeps dead, which leaves the issue of finding them.
We are at a unique point of the game where evryone is trying to find like minded people to form clans with. I was hoping to be contacted by one or more members of HoC in order to identify them hence the loaf
Anyway, I see either no-one is listening to me, or at least no one believes me, so what I have in effect done is make a complete arse up of day one. You will all jump on this wagon - as I have no clan there is no reason for you all not to. This will leave you starting day 2 with no information generated on day 1.
Sorry about that.
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Day One
May 20, 2010 9:45:39 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on May 20, 2010 9:45:39 GMT -5
Anyway, just reread the topic. Vote luvbwfcMy PM says the House of Chains needs to be eliminated, so I'd doubt you'd want to join it. Your post about "being in chains" is pretty fishy. This leads me to wonder if the House of Chains is a pre-formed group or one where the members have to try to find each other. If the latter, then Luv's posts could clearly be read as dropping hints as to who he is. I never said I wanted to join it. I said i wanted to be contacted by a HoC person, so's I would have them identified. Obviously too high risk a strategem as I am going to die for it. This explanation doesn't really wash with me. There are a lot of holes, and unknowns that I would have to consider before making such a risky play. The biggest being the following question: How do you know that the house of chains doesn't already know who it's members are? vote luvbwfcOredigger's factions: The only possible factions that I have heard of have been mentioned in this thread already. Namely House of Chains and Master of Deck of Dragons. Storyteller: In regular mafia games stating how clueless you are about where to vote is considered a reasonably accurate scum tell. I'm having a hard time telling if your statements re: voting is: 1. An attempt to start a discussion about voting. And what makes a good vote. 2. An attempt to start a distraction about voting and what makes a good vote. 3. Something else.
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Day One
May 20, 2010 9:46:32 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on May 20, 2010 9:46:32 GMT -5
I never said I wanted to join it. I said i wanted to be contacted by a HoC person, so's I would have them identified. Obviously too high risk a strategem as I am going to die for it. Hm, well, I read this: ..as wanting to join it, which it can be read as, as well. But that leads me to two questions. Suppose the HoC is already pre-formed: Why would they contact you to join them? Suppose it's not pre-formed: How would you know this (I.E. How would you know you'd have to have a HoC member find you via your subtle hint)? Assumption. HoC people will be forming Clans amongst the rest of us. The clan you yourself join over the next couple of days may have one or more HoC peeps in it. Their win condition is at present unknown, but I assume they will spread themselves across multiple clans, giving them info of those clans doings. Whether or not they know who each other are, I don't know. I wanted to attract an inquiry from such a person thinking they had found a kindred spirit.
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Day One
May 20, 2010 10:23:49 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on May 20, 2010 10:23:49 GMT -5
As I read the clan information, you can belong to multiples, but only one clan can be your primary and thus the clan one wins with. So members of the House of Chains could well make up their own clan, but also belong to others in an attempt to subvert the others.
Just like the Master of the Deck of Dragons.
I am perturbed by both Luv's and Oredigger's posts for the reasons others have mentioned, and Luv, I'm sorry, but I'm not really swayed by your arguments. That said, I'm not ready to vote either of them yet; it's still early in the Day, after all.
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Day One
May 20, 2010 10:46:00 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on May 20, 2010 10:46:00 GMT -5
mod question: can a member of the house of chains (if it does exist) or the master of the dragons (or whatever - if shehe exists) declare primary allegiance to another clan?
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Day One
May 20, 2010 10:55:49 GMT -5
Post by special on May 20, 2010 10:55:49 GMT -5
bolding and underlining mine unvote: peeker vote: luvbwfc[/color][/quote] I responded to the same question from Guiri in the posty immediately above yours. I will categorically state that I am NOT in the House of Chains. I was hoping to be invited to a clan by such though, which was the point of my post.[/quote] I'm posting as I catch up, so I apologize if this question has been asked/answered already. Why would you specificaly want to form a faction with someone in the House of Chains? Especially since it's apparent that some of the players must want them all dead?
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Day One
May 20, 2010 10:57:16 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on May 20, 2010 10:57:16 GMT -5
I'm not sure this game really qualifies as Mafia, but it looks interesting. I don't expect any intuition about Mafia to apply here. So in the absence of information, I am going to play transparently.
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My role name is Lady Envy, Lady of the Dragon Hold
My power is "Vote Cancellation". Each Night I target one player. The next Day their vote does not count toward the lynch total. It may count for other purposes. Although the Authors did not explain further, I expect there to be other vote-related or triggered powers.
My win condition is You win when the Master of the Deck is dead, all members of the House of Chains have been eliminated, and your Primary Clan cannot be prevented from killing all other players before all Primary Members of the clan itself is wiped out.
And I was given two other pieces of information in follow-up PMs: The Master of the Deck of Dragons is an avowed enemy of all the Ascendants and it is his goal to destroy all of you. Until he is killed, you will not be safe. Do with this knowledge as you see fit. and You are an Ascendant.
The Authors refused to answer any questions about the "House of Chains".
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Day One
May 20, 2010 10:59:56 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on May 20, 2010 10:59:56 GMT -5
Seeing as you can only win with your clan, forming a clan with people who you have to get rid of in order to win seems counter-productive.
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Day One
May 20, 2010 11:02:36 GMT -5
Post by oredigger77 on May 20, 2010 11:02:36 GMT -5
Ya, that's why I asked my question about how we could discover people's faction.
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Day One
May 20, 2010 11:04:21 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on May 20, 2010 11:04:21 GMT -5
mod question: can a member of the house of chains (if it does exist) or the master of the dragons (or whatever - if shehe exists) declare primary allegiance to another clan? I'm not even going to confirm or deny that those roles exist. Sorry.
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