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Day One
May 20, 2010 18:44:35 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on May 20, 2010 18:44:35 GMT -5
My PM mentions Ascendants and the Master of the Deck, but does not specifically say that I am an Ascendant. It is like Pleonast except it's missing that line. Same here. It mentions Master of the Deck but doesn't say I'm an Ascendant. Methinks this is one huge mindfuck. How great!
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May 20, 2010 18:50:04 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on May 20, 2010 18:50:04 GMT -5
I'm also going to throw out there the theory that the Master of the Deck of Dragons, as mentioned by Pleonast, is a serial killer-type role. Actually, I was the one who first mentioned the Master of the Deck of Dragons, if I recall correctly. And my PM is the same as Hal's and Drain Beads, so I guess that means I am an ascendant. The way Pleo posted his, it looked like his actual role PM read "You are an Ascendant" (which mine doesn't). All of this means...a whole lot of nothing, if Ascendant is just jargon for "Town".
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May 20, 2010 18:54:49 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on May 20, 2010 18:54:49 GMT -5
mod question: can a member of the house of chains (if it does exist) or the master of the dragons (or whatever - if shehe exists) declare primary allegiance to another clan? This strikes me two ways: 1. It tells me you didn't get any wincon that mentions the House of Chains or Master of the Deck of Dragons, and while there could be many possible reasons for it, the most likely would seem to be because it doesn't apply to you. In other words, you would be one of those groups. Otherwise you would use words like "if it does exist" because your role PM would plainly say it does exist. 2. This is a question I'd ask if I were a member of the House of Chains. Sneaky, tricky, making it seem like I don't know anything about it. No, this isn't a smudge. This is an outright "I'm suspicious of you". you oughta be. i am suspicious of every one of you souls. if you were to react differently now that would make me really suspicious. but, as such you get to stay in the middle of the pack. matter of fact anyone that starts throwing any kind of trust around, even for their clan members is going to make me go, hmmmm. this ain't "mafia", idle. give that shit up right now. fuck i've got more messages in my inbox that i haven't read over the last two days than i normally get and read in an entire freaking game. and trying to keep this shit straight is going to be a clusterfuck of all proportions. at least for me.
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May 20, 2010 19:05:56 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on May 20, 2010 19:05:56 GMT -5
My PM mentions Ascendants and the Master of the Deck, but does not specifically say that I am an Ascendant. It is like Pleonast except it's missing that line. Same here. It mentions Master of the Deck but doesn't say I'm an Ascendant. Methinks this is one huge mindfuck. How great! so even after NAF's clarification at 1.92, you are still sure that you are not an ascendant?
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Day One
May 20, 2010 19:06:15 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on May 20, 2010 19:06:15 GMT -5
Fair enough.
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Day One
May 20, 2010 19:07:18 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on May 20, 2010 19:07:18 GMT -5
because i got a pm from the mods that clarified that, yes, i was in fact an ascendant.
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Day One
May 20, 2010 19:08:05 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on May 20, 2010 19:08:05 GMT -5
Another point here: Special Ed was apparently unaware, at the start of page two of this thread, that "factions" existed. That's very odd, considering my own role PM mentions at least two, and others have mentioned them also. I also notice that Zeriel doesn't mention the ascendants in his list of "factions" in this post: psychopathgame.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=ada&thread=1366&page=2#63274 Zeriel, was there any particular reason you left this group out? I expressly only mentioned groups I remembered being mentioned in the thread. I do not believe the term was specifically used by anyone in the thread.
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Day One
May 20, 2010 19:10:17 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on May 20, 2010 19:10:17 GMT -5
Nope, it cleared it up for me fine. You'll note Drain Bead's post that I quoted is post number 88, while NAF clearing it up is post number 92 (as you pointed out). I had not yet gotten as far as post 92 when I replied to DB's post 88 (they're also on different pages). Please note my post 121. This was made now having seen post 92.
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Day One
May 20, 2010 19:12:16 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on May 20, 2010 19:12:16 GMT -5
because i got a pm from the mods that clarified that, yes, i was in fact an ascendant. How nice of you. Mine wasn't that clear. Apparently it wasn't for a few others either. Mine didn't say, specifically, that I was an ascendant. After reading/seeing post 92, though, (where the mod admits it wasn't clear in the wording), I now know I am one, thanks. : )
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Day One
May 20, 2010 19:15:33 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on May 20, 2010 19:15:33 GMT -5
here's what they had to say.
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May 20, 2010 19:18:54 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on May 20, 2010 19:18:54 GMT -5
Yep. So what are you disagreeing on?
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May 20, 2010 19:19:00 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on May 20, 2010 19:19:00 GMT -5
how the heck did that happen? OK. I'll bite. How did what happen?
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May 20, 2010 19:30:09 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on May 20, 2010 19:30:09 GMT -5
Yep. So what are you disagreeing on? me?
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Day One
May 20, 2010 20:01:06 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on May 20, 2010 20:01:06 GMT -5
I don't consider that specific at all. Aren't most of us Ascendants? Does anyone want to state they are not an Ascendant?i don't have ascendant mentioned anywhere in my pm. because i got a pm from the mods that clarified that, yes, i was in fact an ascendant. So you didn't have Ascendant mentioned anywhere in your PM, yet you are one? My PM mentioned Ascendants. It didn't come out and say it (and was clarified by the mods later) but it did mention them, at least.
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Day One
May 20, 2010 20:15:34 GMT -5
Post by Renata on May 20, 2010 20:15:34 GMT -5
Peeker, do you ever play a game where you *don't* manage to put your foot in the doggie doo on day one? Just asking.
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Day One
May 20, 2010 20:19:41 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on May 20, 2010 20:19:41 GMT -5
I'm also going to throw out there the theory that the Master of the Deck of Dragons, as mentioned by Pleonast, is a serial killer-type role. Actually, I was the one who first mentioned the Master of the Deck of Dragons, if I recall correctly. And my PM is the same as Hal's and Drain Beads, so I guess that means I am an ascendant. The way Pleo posted his, it looked like his actual role PM read "You are an Ascendant" (which mine doesn't). All of this means...a whole lot of nothing, if Ascendant is just jargon for "Town". Pleo later clarified: FWIW I don't think Ascendants are "Town". There is no "Town". I see the game as we are all individuals who can make clan pacts with other individual actors and win together. The Master of the Deck, seems to me to be an SK who can't lose until he's dead. An interesting premise that gives the SK a better chance to win than normal. The Chains, I don't know. A ready made clan of folks that don't know each other but win if one of them is the last man standing? A ready made clan that know each other from the get go? Neither can be reconciled with the Author's statements that we are all PFK's.
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May 20, 2010 21:51:22 GMT -5
Post by special on May 20, 2010 21:51:22 GMT -5
how the heck did that happen? OK. I'll bite. How did what happen? in the post previous to that one, the post I was quoting appeared twice.
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May 20, 2010 23:05:07 GMT -5
Post by Captain Pinkies on May 20, 2010 23:05:07 GMT -5
holy crap 5 pages!!!! Damn this is a fest moving game... me likely... and I must completly feel like I am the kid last to be picked....
<-- passes a round of moose drool
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Day One
May 21, 2010 0:19:31 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on May 21, 2010 0:19:31 GMT -5
My PM did not explicitly specify that I was an Ascendant, but it did say that I had "...Ascendanded..." (capitalized verb that I believe was intendanded to be 'Ascended' ) so it wasn't much of a leap. I also just realized that the crotch-punch that I previously thought I posted did not post, so I've made some other arrangements. You might want to wear a cup when answering the door for a few days, Peek.
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May 21, 2010 1:43:57 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on May 21, 2010 1:43:57 GMT -5
I'm trying to figure out what the mods put into the word "3rd party" or "PFK"'s. Usual I would think the termed was use for someone with a unique wincon. But we've already seen that the wincons posted in this thread are the same. So the only difference seems to be what clan you win with. Therefore I disagree with Sinjins argument: The Chains, I don't know. A ready made clan of folks that don't know each other but win if one of them is the last man standing? A ready made clan that know each other from the get go? Neither can be reconciled with the Author's statements that we are all PFK's. We have gotten a little over 200 PMs since the game started ;D
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May 21, 2010 3:39:05 GMT -5
Post by guiri on May 21, 2010 3:39:05 GMT -5
According to wiki, the Master of the Deck and most of the members of the HoC are also ascendants so I don't think we'll get anywhere with this particular discussion.
As the mods mentioned earlier, most all players are ascendants and so it's roughly equivalent to "player" and therefore by no means equivalent to "town". In terms of the color I think the hierarchy is mortal-ascendant-god-elder god so an Ascendant is an enhanced mortal who has special powers. A few players may not be ascendants (simple mortals, gods or elder gods) but given that each character has a power, I guess there are no mortals.
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May 21, 2010 4:13:38 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on May 21, 2010 4:13:38 GMT -5
When a player is dead what will the mods reveal? The name? What clans the players was a member of? The primary clan of the player? If the player was an Ascendant or something else?
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Day One
May 21, 2010 6:41:29 GMT -5
Post by special on May 21, 2010 6:41:29 GMT -5
I'm trying to figure out what the mods put into the word "3rd party" or "PFK"'s. Usual I would think the termed was use for someone with a unique wincon. But we've already seen that the wincons posted in this thread are the same. The wincons may not be unique, but that doesn't mean they aren't exclusive. For example, if you and I had the same wincon but joined different clans, then we would be against each other. This is different from typical mafia where the same wincon often means the same team
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Day One
May 21, 2010 7:34:33 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on May 21, 2010 7:34:33 GMT -5
My thoughts on some of the early game things.
1. Ascendants seems to describe everyone except for Master of the Deck, who I am guessing is some kind of individual SK type trying to win on his own.
2. Ascendants aren't town, since there is no town. They are just the other players, who may share some win cons and share a "hatred" for the Master of the Deck. I'm guessing some win cons are in common, while some conflict. That's vague, but I don't know what is going on. I guess Ascendants is just the name for the "players" in the game(minus the Master of Deck).
3. How to choose who to lynch. Wow. This is actually a really difficult question, as there are no specific scum, unless you kind of consider the Master of the Deck his own scum. I'm assuming the votes will be spread out since I'm guessing our wincons conflict and we have different goals for what role of players we are trying to kill. With, I'm guessing, a wide variety of roles, I have no idea how to even find anyone suspicious and what would constitute "suspicious" behavior.
Very difficult to decide what to do.
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Day One
May 21, 2010 7:46:01 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on May 21, 2010 7:46:01 GMT -5
How to choose who to lynch. Wow. This is actually a really difficult question, as there are no specific scum, unless you kind of consider the Master of the Deck his own scum. I'm assuming the votes will be spread out since I'm guessing our wincons conflict and we have different goals for what role of players we are trying to kill. With, I'm guessing, a wide variety of roles, I have no idea how to even find anyone suspicious and what would constitute "suspicious" behavior. Very difficult to decide what to do. Whew. Usually, with Mafia, if I have to be away from the game for two or three real-life days, I start to feel like I'm losing the thread of the game. With this game, I went to rehearsal at 7:00 last night and just signed on an hour ago and in a little over 12 hours, I feel like I've missed half a game! I need to re-read, but first I want to address the above. I don't think there's such a thing as "suspicious behavior," per se. Of what am I to be suspicious? I already know who my enemies are: everyone who is not allied with me. If I want to win, only I and those with whom I share a clan at the end of the game can win - everyone else must die. So voting in this game is going to be more overtly strategic - this is more Survivor than Mafia, I think. Personally, I want to eliminate anyone whose role, power, or playstyle makes it unlikely that they will work with me in the future. I want to keep around folks that are likely to be powerful, clever, and/or trustworthy allies if I can convince them to be on my side. This is really interesting.
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Day One
May 21, 2010 8:00:57 GMT -5
Post by The Authors on May 21, 2010 8:00:57 GMT -5
When a player is dead what will the mods reveal? The name? What clans the players was a member of? The primary clan of the player? If the player was an Ascendant or something else? When a player dies, the following will be revealed. Role name. Role type (Doc, Watcher et al). Powers, if the role is unorthodox. Clan memberships. Nominated primary clan.
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Day One
May 21, 2010 8:44:31 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on May 21, 2010 8:44:31 GMT -5
i don't have ascendant mentioned anywhere in my pm. because i got a pm from the mods that clarified that, yes, i was in fact an ascendant. So you didn't have Ascendant mentioned anywhere in your PM, yet you are one? My PM mentioned Ascendants. It didn't come out and say it (and was clarified by the mods later) but it did mention them, at least. i got a pm from the mods that said i was.
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Day One
May 21, 2010 8:44:59 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on May 21, 2010 8:44:59 GMT -5
Peeker, do you ever play a game where you *don't* manage to put your foot in the doggie doo on day one? Just asking. not that i am aware of.
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May 21, 2010 8:45:31 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on May 21, 2010 8:45:31 GMT -5
My PM did not explicitly specify that I was an Ascendant, but it did say that I had "...Ascendanded..." (capitalized verb that I believe was intendanded to be 'Ascended' ) so it wasn't much of a leap. I also just realized that the crotch-punch that I previously thought I posted did not post, so I've made some other arrangements. You might want to wear a cup when answering the door for a few days, Peek. what the heck did i do now?
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May 21, 2010 8:53:55 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on May 21, 2010 8:53:55 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I understand this part of the clan-rules correct:5. Can I join an existing clan?Yes, providing that the clan has less than four members, and that your membership is acceptable to all living members. Once you ask for membership, all living members must then PM the Authors stating that they accept you into the clan. Once that is done, you are part of the clan. However, if you are rejected by even one of the existing members, you will not be accepted. "and that your membership is acceptable to all living members" - does this mean that I can ask the mods to pass my request to join a clan onto the members of the clan? Or does it merely means that once I ask on member for membership I'll have to wait for the rest to accept it?
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