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Post by Renata on Jun 7, 2010 13:53:55 GMT -5
Are you confirming Pinkies' claim that story is a member of the HoC? No, I'm speaking of Red Skeezix. He revealed his role in full to some people before he died; I was one of them. So you're saying that Pinkies' claim about story is new information?[/quote] I was talking about the HoC win condition. I can confirm that that is accurate, including the information about clan membership. I also prefer persuasion to being bullied.
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Post by peekercpa on Jun 7, 2010 13:54:46 GMT -5
Also, out of curiosity... Could everyone who was redirected onto timmy last Night send me a PM? You don't have to say what you had planned during the Night, just let me know that you were redirected to timmy. I may ask you some follow-up questions, and you may feel free at that point to tell me to go fuck myself. Nothing you say to me during this discussion will be passed on to another player without your knowledge or consent. kind of like the stuff upthread? go have solo intercourse with yourself.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 7, 2010 13:59:54 GMT -5
Also, if Story is right and DrainBead is a role-blocker (which I've heard myself from another source), and is also telling the truth about being redirected, doesn't that essentially mean that somebody probably not only wanted Timmy dead, but wanted to make absolutely sure that he couldn't use some kind of night power either? Unless the killer and the role-redirector acted completely independently of each other (which is one hell of a coincidence if so) that would seem to be the obvious deduction.
Who could've thought that Timmy's role (which, boldly stated at the start of the day in purple, doesn't look that impressive to me) was so dangerous that it required both Timmy being killed and also role-blocked? What might somebody have thought he'd do if he was allowed to act that night? Any ideas?
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 7, 2010 14:04:16 GMT -5
I was talking about the HoC win condition. I can confirm that that is accurate, including the information about clan membership. WHAT? What the fuck? Why would Red reveal his win condition to anybody, let alone someone who didn't share it?
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Post by peekercpa on Jun 7, 2010 14:09:48 GMT -5
ok, this is kind of out of game but also kind of in game.
does anyone feel like having to cc the "authors" make them sound like the dirty old men at the playground.
i have come up with a procedure where i try to be as dismissive to them as possible when referencing them in a pm.
e.g. menwithoutpenises cocksuckingmotherfuckers fuckwads menwithouttesticles menwhomasturbatewhilewatchinggoats.
i think there was some sheep references early on but since hal left us they got a bit tired.
anyone else?
back with some game content in a touch.
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Post by Drain Bead on Jun 7, 2010 14:23:04 GMT -5
Also, if Story is right and DrainBead is a role-blocker (which I've heard myself from another source), and is also telling the truth about being redirected, doesn't that essentially mean that somebody probably not only wanted Timmy dead, but wanted to make absolutely sure that he couldn't use some kind of night power either? Unless the killer and the role-redirector acted completely independently of each other (which is one hell of a coincidence if so) that would seem to be the obvious deduction. Who could've thought that Timmy's role (which, boldly stated at the start of the day in purple, doesn't look that impressive to me) was so dangerous that it required both Timmy being killed and also role-blocked? What might somebody have thought he'd do if he was allowed to act that night? Any ideas? That, or both I and the NK and possibly some others all aimed at the same person, and were all redirected off of that person and onto timmy. Who knows why timmy? Hell, it could be a random redirect, although I doubt it. The point is, I think someone has a power to reflect Night actions off of a single player onto another single player. And if I'm right, and more than one of us were aiming at the same person, it might also behoove us to work together, as we're clearly trying to achieve the same goals in the short term.
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Post by peekercpa on Jun 7, 2010 14:23:33 GMT -5
okie dokie. pinkie is an admitted chainer.
but people who have a win condition of eliminating that group, or so they say, don't want him dead. and he is an investigator to boot.
that's kind of odd, don't you think.
my mind boggles, or babbles as the mods might determine.
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Post by Pleonast on Jun 7, 2010 14:28:16 GMT -5
nphase, I'm simply trying to discern what your opinion is on Pinkies's claim about story being HoC, when you said "Pinkies has no information that others do not also have".
Pinkies did give me information no one else had given, when he accused story of being in the House of Chains. Had you missed this info when you made your statement or did you already know it by other means? Or did you see it and not think it important or credible? Or did you think it important enough to address another way?
Your vote makes your opinion of Pinkies clear. Can you please tell us your opinion on the information he provided us about story?
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Post by Pleonast on Jun 7, 2010 14:29:51 GMT -5
but people who have a win condition of eliminating that group, or so they say, don't want him dead. and he is an investigator to boot. There you go again referring to "people". What players have said they don't want Pinkies dead? Name names.
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Post by BillMc on Jun 7, 2010 14:36:19 GMT -5
I was talking about the HoC win condition. I can confirm that that is accurate, including the information about clan membership. WHAT? What the fuck? Why would Red reveal his win condition to anybody, let alone someone who didn't share it? And why do you choose to reveal that little snippet now Normal - when it oh so handily deflects attention from Story@HoC.
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Post by Renata on Jun 7, 2010 14:43:53 GMT -5
I was talking about the HoC win condition. I can confirm that that is accurate, including the information about clan membership. WHAT? What the fuck? Why would Red reveal his win condition to anybody, let alone someone who didn't share it? Because it's very useful information. The people who know about it have a significant advantage over anyone who did not -- we know what a HoC looks like and what their motivations are. And Skeez had no reason to keep it from us. Pinkies has already posted the essential parts, if you re-read.
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Post by Drain Bead on Jun 7, 2010 14:44:13 GMT -5
We all have a wincon of getting rid of that group, it seems, even those IN that group. Back when the stuff about skeez came out, I was hearing whispers that his position and ours wasn't that much different, and pinkies has added more evidence in that direction.
We know what pinkies is, and the devil I know is less of a threat than the devil I don't know.
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Post by Renata on Jun 7, 2010 14:55:55 GMT -5
nphase, I'm simply trying to discern what your opinion is on Pinkies's claim about story being HoC, when you said " Pinkies has no information that others do not also have". That explains the confusion; I wasn't even trying to comment on what Pinkies knows about Story, because Pinkies hasn't seen fit to tell me anything more than "there are rumors that Story is Chains". He would not tell me the source of the rumors, or anything more. I was commenting specifically on the information he posted about the Chains as a group, which someone had suggested (I thought, did I misread?) could be useful to the rest of us. I'm saying he's not the only source of that information, hence that makes no justification to keep him alive. Some of us are in possession of Red Skeezix' entire role PM. Are you referring to this post? What information? This has been half my problem with Pinkies for the past week, the other half being that I strongly suspected him of being HoC based on information from Red Skeezix. He PMs me, tells me there are rumors that Story is HoC, but refuses to tell me a single word beyond that. What am I supposed to make of that? What's even to comment on? I haven't seen the PM he refers to.
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Post by Drain Bead on Jun 7, 2010 15:01:31 GMT -5
Putting two and two together tells me that pinkies investigated story, found out he was HoC, and said he "heard a rumor" to protect himself.
Now that you're out, pinkies, if this is the case you may as well say it. If not, then perhaps giving some detail to the rumor may be helpful to you.
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Post by Pleonast on Jun 7, 2010 15:14:20 GMT -5
well here is the story's wincon.... I am a night HoC investigator..... Win Condition: You win when you are alive and all other members of the House of Chains, as well as the Master of the Deck are dead. At that point, you will ascend and be removed from the game. Your win is non-exclusive to a clan win. As you are playing your own game here, you cannot nominate a Primary Clan. You may negotiate with other players and pretend to join their clans, and if you do so you will count towards that clan's player limit of four while you are alive. Maybe I am misinterpreting this post. I thought it was a claim about story's win condition. But the grammar is poor.
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Post by peekercpa on Jun 7, 2010 15:17:00 GMT -5
but people who have a win condition of eliminating that group, or so they say, don't want him dead. and he is an investigator to boot. There you go again referring to "people". What players have said they don't want Pinkies dead? Name names. who the fuck are voting for to lynch?
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Post by Renata on Jun 7, 2010 15:21:14 GMT -5
well here is the story's wincon.... I am a night HoC investigator..... Win Condition: You win when you are alive and all other members of the House of Chains, as well as the Master of the Deck are dead. At that point, you will ascend and be removed from the game. Your win is non-exclusive to a clan win. As you are playing your own game here, you cannot nominate a Primary Clan. You may negotiate with other players and pretend to join their clans, and if you do so you will count towards that clan's player limit of four while you are alive. Maybe I am misinterpreting this post. I thought it was a claim about story's win condition. But the grammar is poor. Yeah. It's the HoC wincon. Skeez said the same thing. It's in Pinkies' own PM.
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Post by peekercpa on Jun 7, 2010 15:30:59 GMT -5
because i know ONE thing. i have to get rid of chainers and the dragon deck master thing/person.
pinkies has admitted to being chainer, at least the way i read it. he also has some other stuff to say that is not being discounted. so he's lying in one regard and telling the truth in the other. or he's telling the truth both ways. or he is lying both ways. seems kind of clear cut that he needs to go bye bye, is all i am saying. unless someone has something better than that. i mean seriously if he is lying then what good is he accomplishing. and if he is telling the truth why is there any reluctance to get rid of him?
just kind of curious to the thought processes of other folks.
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Post by peekercpa on Jun 7, 2010 15:36:46 GMT -5
neta: and get rid of the rest of you folks that want me dead.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Jun 7, 2010 17:33:53 GMT -5
Yeah, I have to admit. We need to find the MoDD, but I'm afraid that by outing yourself,
Vote: Captain Pinkies
you've drawn a big target on your chest.
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Post by Drain Bead on Jun 7, 2010 18:05:57 GMT -5
If story dies and isn't a Chain, I've essentially made a one-for-two trade, as I'll tell everyone here that pinkies is NOT the one I heard the news from--in fact, I don't think I've ever had a direct conversation with pinkies in this game. If he is, then it's a win-win for everyone, because everyone needs him dead in order to win, even those who are currently in a clan with him.
Getting rid of pinkies today is therefore shortsighted, in my eyes.
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Post by The Authors on Jun 7, 2010 18:21:13 GMT -5
Vote Count
Pinkies (7): story 15, peeker 16, Mahaloth 21, Total 22, Cookies 38, Normal 42, Moley 59, SisC 79 story (5): Pinkies 18, BillMc 19, Pleonast 35, Drain 36, mitchy 44 Drain (1): story 41 Not Voting (5): fisheroo, Guri, blockey, sinjin, Zeriel
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Post by sinjin on Jun 7, 2010 19:18:46 GMT -5
If story dies and isn't a Chain, I've essentially made a one-for-two trade, as I'll tell everyone here that pinkies is NOT the one I heard the news from--in fact, I don't think I've ever had a direct conversation with pinkies in this game. If he is, then it's a win-win for everyone, because everyone needs him dead in order to win, even those who are currently in a clan with him. Getting rid of pinkies today is therefore shortsighted, in my eyes. I have to disagree. Pinkies has already claimed HoC. Lynching him is one for one if he's telling the truth. If he's not we need to lynch him anyway. One for one is always better than one for two by my accounting. Given what I know now I have to *shudder* agree with peeks*. I can't believe we are even having this discussion. I need all HoC eliminated to meet my wincon. I'd rather go with the sure thing. The question is: why would you rather go for the not sure thing? Why do you have a different agenda than I do? vote Cap Pinkies*you know I love ya deep in my heart peeks, even though I read all your posts with Russel's voice in my head.
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Post by Drain Bead on Jun 7, 2010 19:45:15 GMT -5
One for two meaning one story for two chains, pinkies and another who lied to me by telling me story was one.
My different agenda in part involves surviving the Day. Using my lovely deductive reasoning, I have pieced together that peeker is working with story, seeing as he's currently threatening anyone he has the remotest ties to who is voting for story that he will kill them today by redirecting Mahaloth's day kill onto them if they do not change their vote. I have also heard in this thread that Normal Phase is the reflector role that is deflecting anything aimed at story onto others--hence why I was asking earlier who got redirected to Timmy. I now know of three people whose actions were aimed at story and redirected to poor, overwhelmed Timmy.
My role is also well-known. Now that story's deflector is outed, if it's true I am one of their bigger threats other than lynch. All it takes is one peeker, who is leashing Mahaloth, to decide that he wants to ride the story-Normal train, and their clan is essentially unbeatable except by lynch. Now, I know there are three and possibly four people who love that idea, but the rest of us are not huge fans of it, and I'm pretty sure we'd all like to break them all up so we can get back to the whole cutthroat back-alley deals that we love this game for.
For the time being, as much as I'd absolutely love seeing him dead, I need to...
Unvote: storyteller Unvote:
And I'm gonna Vote: peeker . He has bragged that he's either the daykiller or he has the daykiller leashed. Either way, he needs to die, especially if we want to be able to break up Story and Normal tonight.
Pinkies can wait. He's not nearly as much of a threat.
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Post by Drain Bead on Jun 7, 2010 19:46:27 GMT -5
Eff.
Unvote: storyteller
Vote: peeker
Also, I should probably remind those of you who want to know what peeker is like with the power of death behind him to check out Colorless over on the SDMB. It ain't pretty.
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Post by fisheroo on Jun 7, 2010 20:36:00 GMT -5
I hope you all in the peanut gallery realize what a threat Story is. He will need to be taken out, and I'm not sure where in the game that point of no return is. I'm thinking it's pretty darn soon.
It's amazing to me that several people have mentioned that they have targeted Story, and been redirected, yet no one seems to care. Why is that? Why is that power that he has garnered even passing the sniff test?
Does pinkies need to be killed? Sure, you'll get no argument from me about lynching a self proclaimed chain. Is he as big of a threat as Story? Not even in the same ballpark. One day will not make a difference for pinkies. One day may make a huge difference in the outcome of this game for story.
Right now he is immune to anything but a lynch. Do you really want anyone player to have that capability, especially when we don't know their role?
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Post by peekercpa on Jun 7, 2010 20:38:55 GMT -5
[/color] Vote: peeker [/color] Also, I should probably remind those of you who want to know what peeker is like with the power of death behind him to check out Colorless over on the SDMB. It ain't pretty.[/quote] good one draino. i was a town vig. sure i fucked up a couple of times but it was not from a weird throw people in the grease motive. shit i play dirty but not that way. so what is your motive? hmmm, i think i have some suppositions but i think your actions and words for toDay speak volumes. am i a chainer? am i the master of the deck? am i some sort of odd polar bears who sneaks sodas out of your fridge? oh, that's right i was a TOWN vig in a previous game. i can almost get down with that reasoning. can this go in the wiki, please?
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Post by peekercpa on Jun 7, 2010 21:13:13 GMT -5
I hope you all in the peanut gallery realize what a threat Story is. He will need to be taken out, and I'm not sure where in the game that point of no return is. I'm thinking it's pretty darn soon. It's amazing to me that several people have mentioned that they have targeted Story, and been redirected, yet no one seems to care. Why is that? Why is that power that he has garnered even passing the sniff test? Does pinkies need to be killed? Sure, you'll get no argument from me about lynching a self proclaimed chain. Is he as big of a threat as Story? Not even in the same ballpark. One day will not make a difference for pinkies. One day may make a huge difference in the outcome of this game for story.Right now he is immune to anything but a lynch. Do you really want anyone player to have that capability, especially when we don't know their role? i totally forgot you were in the game. what up? but now that you contribute, you think it wiser to take out a confessed chainer as opposed to a proposed chainer. now do i think story is chain, you betcha. does he need to go, you betcha. but in front of a chainer that is also a dick, no fucking way. you want someone wandering around sharing gosh only knows what with whomever. which might be freacking true or false because i can't honestly believe that anyone is trusting a party contra to the wincon that i have. and i know that one of the other chainers is female. why would drain be voting me because i was a town vig in another game? kill pinkies. then story. then drain. and then hope like a mofo that i picked the right three for end game.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 7, 2010 21:24:00 GMT -5
Huh.
First: fisheroo, did I do something to offend you?
Second: it seems pretty plain to me that drainbead wants Captain Pinkies to live through this Day at any cost; she summoned the storyteller boogeyman first and now that it seems to be not working, she's summoning the peeker boogeyman, too. Given that a lynch of drain appears to be unlikely, I will instead vote to deny her this goal.
unvote drainbead vote Captain Pinkies
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Post by Captain Pinkies on Jun 7, 2010 23:21:47 GMT -5
hey all, sorry I have been out, IRL stuff has been beckoning my attention... A couple of points.... I have no solid confirmation on Story... I have not been able to confirm anything on him.. It seems that poor timmy also got my investigation...
so here is the deal, I am not threat to anyone but a HoC member and the Master of the Deck... I do have powers and if I live I am going to use them to try and fullfill my wincon.... Which doesn't involve anyone in a clan..... I am not in any clans, nor have I been. I figure the best way to try and stay alive is to provide you with the truth and information. And I will continue to do so, because that is the way I roll... I know you need me out of the game in order to win, but I can leave the game other than being lynched or killed.... There are many more peeps who are a bigger threat than me... Because I am not one...
More to come...
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