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Post by BillMc on Jun 9, 2010 12:09:16 GMT -5
Now if the HoC's win condition is non-excusive, I don't actually care whether Story, Cap or any other HoC ascend and go off to the party in the sky.
What I do care about is Normal being left in pretty much an unassailable position.
Drain or a HoC are the only folk that can block Normal and make her vulnerable at Night. Once Drain is gone,
Normal can quite happily sit back and self protect, directing everything at someone else. Do you really trust Normal? I ask
the folk in "Team Story" - how many of you knew she was redirecting before I announced it earlier toDay? And what about poor Red - no actual direct threat to non-HoC, but he revealed himself to Normal and she had him bumped off.
And she's been caught out implicating Story as Chains. Mistake? or a deliberate slip to distance herself from Story?
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Post by BillMc on Jun 9, 2010 12:10:50 GMT -5
And this just in from the Morgue As some of you may have noticed yesterday, I accused Story of killing Zuma. Now surprisingly, neither Story, or anyone else questioned this. Indeed, there has been very little public discussion on the overnight deaths. So lets get them out in the open. - The Night Killer was ultimately the one who killed Timmy.
- The Night Killer had his power stolen by Blockey.
- Blockey directed the Night Kill at Story.
- Normal redirected the Night Kill (as with every other action on Story) to Timmy.
- Tho there is a rumour circulating that Blockey killed Ed which I don't believe.
- Ed knew Story was HoC (, and according to the HoC power information, an HoC can only kill other HoC. So a HoC could not have killed Ed.
- If it is was not HoC and not the NK - then that leaves MotDD by elimation.
- And the also by implication, leaves Zuma killed by another HoC - again, most probably Story as Cap said he didn't, and I believe there are just four HoC.
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Post by peekercpa on Jun 9, 2010 12:15:24 GMT -5
The MotDD is now privvy to just about everyone's roles thanks to Story/Normal. <snipped> so drain is the master of the deck?
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Post by Captain Pinkies on Jun 9, 2010 12:15:42 GMT -5
ok, i'll nibble some more. who would be your target and how in the world do i know that i can trust you to take out that target and not someone else? how do i ascertain that your target benefits my clan above others? matter of fact that is kind of oxymoronic at this point. knowing that i have one two or three buds and there is like fifteen people that want me dead. ok, i'll play. i'll move my vote on the condition that you do whatever i say regardless. seems fair enough. unvote pinkies <bleached> you never responded pinkies. therefore, i assume that the conditions i outlined are unacceptable. and since you are an admitted chain ganger and since i know i need to have them "eliminated" for me to win, i will vote pinkies. Sorry Peekers, I would rather be dead than to be your bitch.... No offense, I suffer from the same character defect...
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Post by Captain Pinkies on Jun 9, 2010 12:21:38 GMT -5
and so that everyone knows exactly who I am and the powers I have.... Here is my entire PM...... I see no reason not to share at this point...
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Kallor drew out his sword. "Does it occur to you, to any of you, what these things do to me? No, of course not. The High King is cursed to fail, but never to fall. The High King is but ... what? Oh, the physical manifestation of ambition. Walking proof of its inevitable price. Fine." He readied his two-handed weapon. "Fuck you, too."
You are Kallor Eiderann Tes'thesula, the High King, the Reaver in Chains. Millennia ago, you ruled the vast continent of Jacuruku with an iron fist. In a desperation move by the preeminent mages of the time, the Crippled God was called down on your empire. The impact devastated the continent, but you and your empire endured. Even when a trio of Elder Gods came to end your rule, you found a way to defy them: you obliterated all life on the continent, ensuring that their efforts went to naught.
In punishment for your crimes, those Gods placed three curses upon you. You were cursed to know mortal life unending, to never ascend, and to have all that you achieve turn to dust in your hands. You cursed them in turn, and vengeance was indeed sweet, but the past 120 000 years have been empty ones for you.
The rise of the House of Chains promises to change that. You accepted the position of Reaver in Chains, but from the beginning you've cast lustful eyes on the vacant position of the King in Chains. With the power of the House of Chains at your command, you could break the curses upon you and rebuild your empire.
The Crippled God welcomes your ambitions to the throne, but you must earn the kingship. Other members of the House of Chains are vying for the same throne, and last survivor of the conflict will earn the position of the King in Chains. The Crippled God takes great delight in this contest, and will grant favours upon those members of the House of Chains who successfully use their powers against other members of the House.
Name: Kallor Eiderann Tes'thesula, The High King, Reaver in Chains
Powers: Since you are playing your own game here, along with the other members of the House of Chains, you can never designate a clan you join as your primary. However, you can still clan with whomever you want, and you'll probably need to in order to survive. Just don't get caught, because they probably won't believe you're harmless to them and you certainly don't want to be exposed to your fellow House members. After all, the other members want you dead just as much as you do them. And remember, though you can claim to be clanned with anyone, should someone have the power to directly investigate your clan status, you will be revealed as unclanned to them.
Fortunately, you have been given a wide array of powers to use as you see fit. (Unfortunately, all fellow members of your House have identical powers, and they know you have them as well.)
Each Night you can choose one of the following powers (all except power 3 have unlimited uses):
1) You can protect any player of your choice, other than yourself. If you protect another House of Chains member, you will discover his identity.
2) You can block any player of your choice. If you block a House of Chains member, you will discover his identity.
3) You can attempt to kill any player of your choice. You have a maximum of 3 charges of this power. However, this kill will only work on a fellow House of Chains member. If you target any player who is not a member of the House of Chains, the kill fizzles, and you find out nothing about your target. If you target a fellow member, and nothing else interferes with your kill, you will be informed that your kill was successful and which member of the House of Chains you took out. Note that regardless of outcome, you will use up one of your charges each time you make a kill attempt.
4) You can investigate the role or clan (your choice) of any player. If you investigate an House of Chains member, you will discover his identity.
5) You can cloak yourself to all other House of Chains members. By forgoing use of any of your other powers, you can choose to hide your identity for a Night from any other Members in Chains. This means that should you be investigated or protected by another member, they will not find out they specifically targeted a fellow member. If a fellow member blocks you, you will still be cloaked to the blocking member, however, should any other member target you with a different power that same night, they will then discover your identity as the block will take effect in that case. Also, this power only works to hide against other members of the House. It will not have any affect on powers used against you by non-members.
6) Should you be discovered by any of your fellow House members, you will be informed of this fact at Dawn, though you won't know who found you.
One more thing, due to you and your fellow Members in Chains being specially chosen by the Crippled God, he has decided to give each of you extra information in the form of a warning: The Master of the Deck of Dragons is the avowed enemy of the House of Chains, and it is his goal to destroy all members of the House. Until he is killed, you will not be safe.
Win Condition: You win when you are alive and all other members of the House of Chains, as well as the Master of the Deck are dead. At that point, you will ascend and be removed from the game. Your win is non-exclusive to a clan win.
As you are playing your own game here, you cannot nominate a Primary Clan. You may negotiate with other players and pretend to join their clans, and if you do so you will count towards that clan's player limit of four while you are alive.
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Post by peekercpa on Jun 9, 2010 12:24:16 GMT -5
<bleached> you never responded pinkies. therefore, i assume that the conditions i outlined are unacceptable. and since you are an admitted chain ganger and since i know i need to have them "eliminated" for me to win, i will vote pinkies. Sorry Peekers, I would rather be dead than to be your bitch.... No offense, I suffer from the same character defect... no offense taken. this is a game after all.
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Post by Pleonast on Jun 9, 2010 12:37:59 GMT -5
The MotDD is now privvy to just about everyone's roles thanks to Story/Normal. Ah, that explains why storyteller was so perturbed by my open claim--he didn't get the chance to betray me to the MotDoD.
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Post by Drain Bead on Jun 9, 2010 12:40:28 GMT -5
The MotDD is now privvy to just about everyone's roles thanks to Story/Normal. <snipped> so drain is the master of the deck? Where on EARTH do you get that from what he said?
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Post by Captain Pinkies on Jun 9, 2010 12:43:23 GMT -5
And here what my actions for night 1 and night 2
Roleblock - Bill Roleblock - Story
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Post by Renata on Jun 9, 2010 12:54:56 GMT -5
Now if the HoC's win condition is non-excusive, I don't actually care whether Story, Cap or any other HoC ascend and go off to the party in the sky. What I do care about is Normal being left in pretty much an unassailable position. Drain or a HoC are the only folk that can block Normal and make her vulnerable at Night. Once Drain is gone,
Normal can quite happily sit back and self protect, directing everything at someone else. Do you really trust Normal? I ask the folk in "Team Story" - how many of you knew she was redirecting before I announced it earlier toDay? And what about poor Red - no actual direct threat to non-HoC, but he revealed himself to Normal and she had him bumped off. And she's been caught out implicating Story as Chains. Mistake? or a deliberate slip to distance herself from Story? So now I'm the boogyman and Story my poor manipulated victim. Are you enjoying this, Bill? Because I'd hate to think all this effort wasn't at least providing some entertainment.
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Post by peekercpa on Jun 9, 2010 13:02:06 GMT -5
I think a fun thing to do might be to come out with every otherwise unsubstantiated rumor you've heard about another player. You need not say where you've heard it from, but having random behind-the-scenes chatter out in the open may help make sense of things. I have three. 1. peeker is a Day redirector, Mahaloth a Day killer. 2. storyteller is a Chain. 3. BillMc and Oredigger are potentially trustworthy. from here.
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Post by Renata on Jun 9, 2010 13:04:35 GMT -5
And now I have some insight as to why storyteller is a target: You're telling me if Pinkies survives he won't either take a shot at Story This is an implicit admission that story is a member of the House of Chains. Stop twisting my words, Pleo; it's no such thing. What it is is a recognition that Pinkies, Drain and others believe Story to be Chains and hence will most certainly take a shot at him given half a chance to do so. Provided they're not roleblocking me, or trying to send one of the known-to-not-be-HoC killers after either or both of us, because they see us as a threat to their interests. Can you admit at least that they're being disingenuous by trying to imply they have any other motives in this fight? I refuse to comment publicly on anyone's identity or power who is my ally.
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Post by peekercpa on Jun 9, 2010 13:05:08 GMT -5
and just as an aside, bill "poor red" was a chainer. someone i needed to have "eliminated" in order to fulfill my wincon. the fact that he decided to share information which led to his death kind of stinks for him but kind of rocks for me.
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Post by Drain Bead on Jun 9, 2010 13:21:30 GMT -5
I think a fun thing to do might be to come out with every otherwise unsubstantiated rumor you've heard about another player. You need not say where you've heard it from, but having random behind-the-scenes chatter out in the open may help make sense of things. I have three. 1. peeker is a Day redirector, Mahaloth a Day killer. 2. storyteller is a Chain. 3. BillMc and Oredigger are potentially trustworthy. from here. Still not seeing it.
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Post by Pleonast on Jun 9, 2010 13:22:06 GMT -5
And now I have some insight as to why storyteller is a target: You're telling me if Pinkies survives he won't either take a shot at Story This is an implicit admission that story is a member of the House of Chains. Stop twisting my words, Pleo; it's no such thing. What it is is a recognition that Pinkies, Drain and others believe Story to be Chains and hence will most certainly take a shot at him given half a chance to do so. Provided they're not roleblocking me, or trying to send one of the known-to-not-be-HoC killers after either or both of us, because they see us as a threat to their interests. Can you admit at least that they're being disingenuous by trying to imply they have any other motives in this fight? I refuse to comment publicly on anyone's identity or power who is my ally. You are twisting mine, because I did not twist your words. There's a reason I used the word "implicit"--it means you did not state it, but I inferred from it. And I find your denials unconvincing. I'm sure drain and Bill's motives are identical to yours--trying to preserve their pet HoC. I'm voting to lynch story now because he's been protected every Night so far and because of his stated opposition to me. When story is dead, I will be just as vociferous in trying to get Pinkies lynched. Or if Pinkies is lynched ToDay, I'll be after story again ToMorrow, assuming he survives. And one more thing that makes me want to lynch story first: your explanations. For example, just now you worried that a HoC killer might come after you or story. Why should that matter if neither of you are HoC? Do you have information that a HoC can kill a regular Ascendant? Please don't hold back relevant info like that. Or are you again implicitly stating that one of you is a HoC? Why be so coy then, since so many players are pointing at you? It's the conflict between the information you reveal, which seems to point to story being an excellent lynch ToDay and the way you actually vote.
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Post by Drain Bead on Jun 9, 2010 13:56:14 GMT -5
If story is lynched toDay and I am alive in the morning, my vote will go down on pinkies. We have no alliance whatsoever, and never have.
If there's anyone I'm upset to have lost, it's Ed.
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Post by Renata on Jun 9, 2010 14:21:49 GMT -5
Then there's one thing we agree on.
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Post by peekercpa on Jun 9, 2010 14:28:19 GMT -5
ok, now wait a sam hill minute.
drain says that if story is lynched today she will go down on pinkies tomorrow.
if there is a webcam involved i might be willing to switch my vote. lol.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 9, 2010 14:41:00 GMT -5
Hey, Bill, quick question for ya.
If you're sure that the Master of the Deck lurks in "Team Story" (and what a ridiculous concept, as I sit a few votes away from getting lynched), then you must know his/her identity. I mean, if you know that (s)he's part of the same group I am. Right?
So why don't you tell us all who it is? Since you know.
'Cause I can guarantee the following: everyone who is not the Master of the Deck would benefit from knowing the Master of the Deck's identity. Me, Normal, Drain, Pleo, peeker's Caps Lock key, everybody.
But if you know who it is, and you're not sharing with the group, then really, you're working against literally all of us. I may nor may not be "consorting" with the Master - I don't know, because I don't know who it is.
But you are currently protecting the Master with your silence.
All of you who are following Bill cheerfully into the breach (as he accuses others of doing with me), please bear in mind that your putative ally is currently protecting the only player in the game who is an enemy to all of us.
Or, you know... is the only player in the game who is an enemy to all of us.
That's possible, too.
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Post by Renata on Jun 9, 2010 14:58:36 GMT -5
Damn Story I was just about to post almost the same thing. Here's my post anyway: This is an implicit admission that story is a member of the House of Chains. Stop twisting my words, Pleo; it's no such thing. What it is is a recognition that Pinkies, Drain and others believe Story to be Chains and hence will most certainly take a shot at him given half a chance to do so. Provided they're not roleblocking me, or trying to send one of the known-to-not-be-HoC killers after either or both of us, because they see us as a threat to their interests. Can you admit at least that they're being disingenuous by trying to imply they have any other motives in this fight? I refuse to comment publicly on anyone's identity or power who is my ally. You are twisting mine, because I did not twist your words. There's a reason I used the word "implicit"--it means you did not state it, but I inferred from it. And I find your denials unconvincing.[/quote] Maybe that's because denial is not my concern. I simply won't comment on Storyteller's role or powers in public. If you want information on him, you won't get it from me. I will extend the same courtesy to anyone who is an ally of mine and whose secrets I hold. If he wants to roleclaim, that's his choice, but I won't make it for him. Hence there is no implicit admission of *anything* in that comment you point out. I said what I said as a reflection of what I think Drain and others believe, what their motivations are and what their actions will be. Are we clear, or will you persist in misunderstanding me? See, this doesn't bother me. At least not beyond the fact that if you succeed you'll have killed one of my allies. Here we go again. You still fail to realize, or are deliberately choosing not to acknowledge, that the comments I have directed toward Drain and others have next to nothing to do with Story's *role*. I'm irritated because what they claim as their motives is a lie, and I'm tired of the pretense. They will use every weapon they can bring to bear or think they can bring to bear against me and Story. They've been doing it the whole Day, with a mixture of truth and lies that's making my head spin trying to respond to it all. Their motives are BLINDINGLY obvious. Yet they're trying to come over as if they have no such selfish interests, as if Story and I MUST be killed in order for anyone old innocent bystander to still have a chance of winning the game. It's all for the good of everybody else, right? No. None of that is true, and it's irritating the hell out of me. At least I'm not trying to pretend I'm out for anyone but myself and my allies. My vote is entirely transparent at this point. Story is an ally. Pinkies is not. Story will try to help me win. Pinkies will not. End of story. And now this MoDD business from Bill? The bit about it being not clear whether the MoDD has to die for the last Chains to win is a total lie; I've seen more than one Chains PM now and they match on that count. Skeezix in particular had no reason to lie; he knew he was dead. And the MoDD being an ally of Story's? Let me tell you the rumor *I've* heard, Bill -- I've heard that you have gone around in private saying you KNOW who the MoDD is. That would sort of make one want to ask why you haven't said so in public, wouldn't it? But you can't, since you don't in fact know anything more than n-1 of the rest of us do, and if we mislynched based on your word, you'd be dead yourself before you could blink. You're trying to get Story to mistrust his allies, and vice versa -- does it even matter to you that numbers-wise it's more likely the MoDD is NOT among Story's allies than that he is? That you could inadvertently be directing people down blind allies regarding the one player that ALL of the rest of us need dead? I am Shadowthrone, King of High House Shadow, and I revealed that for the first time on day one. Who are you, Bill?
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Post by BillMc on Jun 9, 2010 15:05:48 GMT -5
Hey, Bill, quick question for ya. If you're sure that the Master of the Deck lurks in "Team Story" (and what a ridiculous concept, as I sit a few votes away from getting lynched), then you must know his/her identity. I mean, if you know that (s)he's part of the same group I am. Right? So why don't you tell us all who it is? Since you know. 'Cause I can guarantee the following: everyone who is not the Master of the Deck would benefit from knowing the Master of the Deck's identity. Me, Normal, Drain, Pleo, peeker's Caps Lock key, everybody. But if you know who it is, and you're not sharing with the group, then really, you're working against literally all of us. I may nor may not be "consorting" with the Master - I don't know, because I don't know who it is. But you are currently protecting the Master with your silence. All of you who are following Bill cheerfully into the breach (as he accuses others of doing with me), please bear in mind that your putative ally is currently protecting the only player in the game who is an enemy to all of us. Or, you know... is the only player in the game who is an enemy to all of us. That's possible, too. Yes, I have a fairly strong suspicion of who it is, and indeed, it appears that you did to: "I have a group of people who are cooperating for our collective short-term benefit. I am perfectly aware that the Master of the Deck might be among them - I even have a very strong guess as to who it is, if you're right. And I need the Master dead just as (s)he needs me dead. But even long-term enemies can cooperate for mutual short-term benefit."So to use your "even long-term enemies can cooperate for mutual short-term benefit" I am not protecting the Master, I am using that information for leverage to assist my allies. Of course, revealing the name just now would also make sure that you wouldn't be lynched - handy eh.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 9, 2010 15:15:20 GMT -5
Hey, Bill, quick question for ya. If you're sure that the Master of the Deck lurks in "Team Story" (and what a ridiculous concept, as I sit a few votes away from getting lynched), then you must know his/her identity. I mean, if you know that (s)he's part of the same group I am. Right? So why don't you tell us all who it is? Since you know. 'Cause I can guarantee the following: everyone who is not the Master of the Deck would benefit from knowing the Master of the Deck's identity. Me, Normal, Drain, Pleo, peeker's Caps Lock key, everybody. But if you know who it is, and you're not sharing with the group, then really, you're working against literally all of us. I may nor may not be "consorting" with the Master - I don't know, because I don't know who it is. But you are currently protecting the Master with your silence. All of you who are following Bill cheerfully into the breach (as he accuses others of doing with me), please bear in mind that your putative ally is currently protecting the only player in the game who is an enemy to all of us. Or, you know... is the only player in the game who is an enemy to all of us. That's possible, too. Yes, I have a fairly strong suspicion of who it is, and indeed, it appears that you did to: "I have a group of people who are cooperating for our collective short-term benefit. I am perfectly aware that the Master of the Deck might be among them - I even have a very strong guess as to who it is, if you're right. And I need the Master dead just as (s)he needs me dead. But even long-term enemies can cooperate for mutual short-term benefit."So to use your "even long-term enemies can cooperate for mutual short-term benefit" I am not protecting the Master, I am using that information for leverage to assist my allies. Of course, revealing the name just now would also make sure that you wouldn't be lynched - handy eh. Suuuuuuuuure. We all believe you. You know who it is... no wait, you have a fairly strong suspicion. Yeah, I'm not going to base my strategy on your "fairly strong suspicion" that you won't even reveal; and I don't think anyone else is going to, either. Your vague "oooh, storyteller is cooperating with the boogeyman" attack is based on nothing more than what you've pulled from your own nether regions. You have no actual information; any one of us can take an educated guess as to the identity of the MoDD. It could be someone with whom I am aligned, or it could be someone with whom you are aligned, or it could be you.There's no there here. Moving on.
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Post by BillMc on Jun 9, 2010 15:31:59 GMT -5
And now this MoDD business from Bill? The bit about it being not clear whether the MoDD has to die for the last Chains to win is a total lie; I've seen more than one Chains PM now and they match on that count. Skeezix in particular had no reason to lie; he knew he was dead. Careful, I can feel your bloodpressure rising from here. As I said, I had conflicting information from different sources - but thank you for clearing that up. But of course, despite knowing the HoC PM and win cons on Day 1, you chose not to public share that information. And the MoDD being an ally of Story's? How are you so sure the MotDD is not? What if the MotDD is a more trusted ally to Story than you? Let me tell you the rumor *I've* heard, Bill -- I've heard that you have gone around in private saying you KNOW who the MoDD is. Yes, I made that information available to folk I have reason to trust. That would sort of make one want to ask why you haven't said so in public, wouldn't it? But you can't, since you don't in fact know anything more than n-1 of the rest of us do, and if we mislynched based on your word, you'd be dead yourself before you could blink. You're trying to get Story to mistrust his allies, and vice versa -- does it even matter to you that numbers-wise it's more likely the MoDD is NOT among Story's allies than that he is? That you could inadvertently be directing people down blind allies regarding the one player that ALL of the rest of us need dead? Watch that blood pressure its peeking. And just for the record - the name of who I believe the MotDD is known the Authors, and posted on a board. So when this is all over and your bloody pressure as return to Normal, you can see whether I am right or wrong. The one thing I am not doing at this point is bullshitting. I'd say I'm 98% certain that I am right. And if I do have any leverage over the MotDD, then that is someone that your bloc doesn't, and that is what scares you. Indeed, your comments seem to imply that if I revealed the name, you wouldn't lynch that person -- so that would imply you would be protecting the MotDD if I am right.
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Post by Renata on Jun 9, 2010 15:46:43 GMT -5
I'll give you the blood pressure Bill.
The rest? You say you're 98% sure you're right; you say that you having leverage over the MoDD could scare me, *as if that were even an option*, to have leverage over someone you NEED dead to win the game.
And then you imply I wouldn't lynch the MoDD if known? I wouldn't lynch anyone you named as MoDD just on your word, that much is true. Because I'm quite certain you're slinging the stinky stuff here. But others probably would. Which is why you won't name names.
Otherwise, did you seriously just mean to imply that you yourself might try to hold *leverage* over someone you're supposed to want dead? Really?
I repeat, Bill, who are you?
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Post by BillMc on Jun 9, 2010 15:54:07 GMT -5
Otherwise, did you seriously just mean to imply that you yourself might try to hold *leverage* over someone you're supposed to want dead? Really? So let me see....there are more than 4 of you working together at this time, and to win, you obviously need to reduce that down to 4 -- so it appears you also have leverage over folk you need dead. I repeat, Bill, who are you? I'm Batman :-) Why do you care what my character name is?
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Post by Renata on Jun 9, 2010 16:17:20 GMT -5
Why won't you answer?
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Post by BillMc on Jun 9, 2010 16:18:32 GMT -5
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Post by Renata on Jun 9, 2010 16:38:08 GMT -5
Because I can claim a legitimate name, and if investigated, it will come up just the same. Your line of attack has made me wonder if the same is true of you.
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Post by BillMc on Jun 9, 2010 16:48:17 GMT -5
Ah the ole name investigator ploy - and what makes you believe that you can trust the result of any investigator?
Everyone is PFK
I could easily claim an investigative role and state that you have lied about something. Oh wait a minute you did lie about Story not being Chains.
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Post by BillMc on Jun 9, 2010 16:49:59 GMT -5
And if there is such an investigator, what makes you think that various folk, such as the MotDD hasn;t been furnished with a valid cover name?
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