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Post by Pleonast on Jun 21, 2010 13:16:24 GMT -5
(3) Eliminate any other threats to you and your interests. See, there's the problem. This is not the third condition. As peeker just said: your Primary Clan cannot be prevented from killing all other players before all Primary Members of the clan itself is wiped out. You (and others) seem to be focusing on threats, when we're supposed to eliminate players not in our clan. There is a difference! Pleo, when all this is over I really hope you'll tell us if you are serious with posts like this, or if you're just trying to get people riled up. Although getting players riled up is secondary goal (most of the players here are hardly participating in the public threads), I am honestly espousing my opinion. In general, any public statement or action I make in a Mafia game is one that I believe will advance the "town" win conditions. I realize that other players have different approaches, but part of the game is discussing those differences. And in this game, the six players I mentioned above do not seem to me to be advancing the same win conditions I have. For example, the citing of lying or mistrust as a reason for lynching MrB--that has nothing to do with the win conditions. Citing his power as a reason for lynching--again nothing to do with the win conditions. Those are grudges, pure and simple.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 21, 2010 13:23:42 GMT -5
And in this game, the six players I mentioned above do not seem to me to be advancing the same win conditions I have. For example, the citing of lying or mistrust as a reason for lynching MrB--that has nothing to do with the win conditions. Citing his power as a reason for lynching--again nothing to do with the win conditions. Those are grudges, pure and simple. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Citing his power constitutes a "grudge?" That has nothing to do with any definition of the word "grudge" ever used before in the entire history of the written word. Come on, man, "threat" and "players not in our Clan" are equivalent. It goes without saying that the people who voted against blockey were not Clanned with him. Further, he had given them reason to think that: (1) they would never be Clanned with him, as they could not trust him; and (2) that, as a player not Clanned with them, he would have been a significant danger to their survival (and in this game, survival is a de facto if not an explicit requirement of winning. No one is going to win this game having died). This is frustrating me beyond all measure. It sounds insane. How can you not see that eliminating a player who has declared himself to be your enemy, who has professed an interest in killing you and your allies, who is not allied with you, who has a power that is extremely dangerous and limits your ability to stay alive... how can you not see that those things are entirely related to the win condition? How? How?
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Post by moodymitchy on Jun 21, 2010 13:41:39 GMT -5
No point in denying it yes I tried to Kill COMETOTHEDARKSIDEWEHAVEKATIE'S And was suitably blocked...
I agree with COOKIES that yes if I try to kill you then I am a threat but.... I had a Night action that I wanted to use to further my cause in the game. As it seemed apparent that the "metaclan" would all be looking after each others backs... I had to try and do someone who might not have been watched... hey I failed no big deal.
All our wincons say we need to off the MOTD to stand any chance to win but I don't expect to be here much after that... any actions I may or not have taken were done firstly to rid the game of those that all Ascendants needed gone before going to to achieve a win for myself.
Oh and as for MISTER BLOCKEY I don't think he'd know the truth if it jumped up and bit him on the arse... yes he stole my power but he also told me he was targeting someone else.
Oh and while I'm here
VOTE TOTAL LOST
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Post by Pleonast on Jun 21, 2010 13:48:07 GMT -5
I read the statements players made when they voted, and those reasons are not what they said. If players were voting for him for those reasons, why didn't they state them?
Lynching someone for not being in your clan is fine. But that's not what players said when they placed their votes. Are you saying they're lying about their reasons? Or, are you saying they had additional reasons, but wanted to hide them?
Do act so surprised that there's accusations of not following win conditions when players give reasons that don't match win conditions and don't give reasons that do match them.
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Post by Pleonast on Jun 21, 2010 13:50:08 GMT -5
Edited for missing "not":
Do not act so surprised that there's accusations of not following win conditions when players give reasons that don't match win conditions and don't give reasons that do match them.
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Post by Renata on Jun 21, 2010 13:51:47 GMT -5
Mitchy, did you kill Skeez? I'm just curious.
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Post by Pleonast on Jun 21, 2010 13:52:29 GMT -5
Come on, man, "threat" and "players not in our Clan" are equivalent. I won't tell you how to play the game, but you are severely restricting your options if operate that way.
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Post by moodymitchy on Jun 21, 2010 14:14:01 GMT -5
But a player not in "our" clan can be talked round to being in "our" Clan so I don't think they are equivalent.
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Post by peekercpa on Jun 21, 2010 14:14:16 GMT -5
No point in denying it yes I tried to Kill KATIE'S And was suitably blocked... VOTE TOTAL LOST<bleached and snipped> i am so glad your nuts are on the line from a random door ringer as opposed to mine. woot woot.
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Post by peekercpa on Jun 21, 2010 14:29:49 GMT -5
(3) Eliminate any other threats to you and your interests. See, there's the problem. This is not the third condition. As peeker just said: You (and others) seem to be focusing on threats, when we're supposed to eliminate players not in our clan. There is a difference! Pleo, when all this is over I really hope you'll tell us if you are serious with posts like this, or if you're just trying to get people riled up. Although getting players riled up is secondary goal (most of the players here are hardly participating in the public threads), I am honestly espousing my opinion. In general, any public statement or action I make in a Mafia game is one that I believe will advance the "town" win conditions. I realize that other players have different approaches, but part of the game is discussing those differences. And in this game, the six players I mentioned above do not seem to me to be advancing the same win conditions I have. For example, the citing of lying or mistrust as a reason for lynching MrB--that has nothing to do with the win conditions. Citing his power as a reason for lynching--again nothing to do with the win conditions. Those are grudges, pure and simple. hey, pleo i think you are full of poop (and please don't get offended - if so let's take it offline, otay). i am currently voting for the person that i think is the dragon master dude/ette. if that "eliminates" another person who stands in the way of my wincon then yippee oh kayaye mother fucker. i kind of think after those two fuckers are gone the whole clan thing might become a wee bit fluid. this is not "town" against "scum". how you can ascribe a "grudge" action to anyone at this point is not something i can even consider. at the risk of repeating myself, the only people i can see with grudges are you and bill. it's almost like you want to chop your nose off to spite your face. we all know that story is a dick and would stand on his grandma to keep from drowning but i think i can eliminate him by lynching total. so the son of a gun gets a win, who cares? it gives me a better chance to win. i don't see a "grudge" at all in my actions or statements.
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Post by Renata on Jun 21, 2010 14:34:18 GMT -5
Story owes me a beer if he wins. A whole six pack if he wins and I don't.
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Post by moodymitchy on Jun 21, 2010 14:38:58 GMT -5
No point in denying it yes I tried to Kill KATIE'S And was suitably blocked... VOTE TOTAL LOST<bleached and snipped> i am so glad your nuts are on the line from a random door ringer as opposed to mine. woot woot. Well that's just fine Peek... you know where I am. But don't forget there's someone else out there that can kill at Night but we don't seem to be too sure where they are. I doubt I'll be lynched toDay but it means I might need blocking toNight.... If I were you I'd be hoping there were enough of those to go round.
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Post by Pleonast on Jun 21, 2010 14:41:36 GMT -5
You must not be paying attention very well, peeker. i am currently voting for the person that i think is the dragon master dude/ette. if that "eliminates" another person who stands in the way of my wincon then yippee oh kayaye mother fucker. Yes, that's what I want players to do! I've been complaining about players who did not do that. I'm not sure why you say that. We're the ones who've been trying to eliminate the MotDoD and the HoC. The roles our win conditions say we have to eliminate. The same reason you're voting for Total ToDay. I think you were voting fisheroo for magic bagging and not being in your clan, which is fine. Certainly better than half the votes on MrBlockey. You'll note that you were not on the list of players I called out.
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Post by BillMc on Jun 21, 2010 14:51:08 GMT -5
how you can ascribe a "grudge" action to anyone at this point is not something i can even consider. at the risk of repeating myself, the only people i can see with grudges are you and bill. it's almost like you want to chop your nose off to spite your face. I think you are mistaken again - I hold no grudges.
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Post by peekercpa on Jun 21, 2010 14:52:22 GMT -5
<bleached and snipped> i am so glad your nuts are on the line from a random door ringer as opposed to mine. woot woot. Well that's just fine Peek... you know where I am. But don't forget there's someone else out there that can kill at Night but we don't seem to be too sure where they are. I doubt I'll be lynched toDay but it means I might need blocking toNight.... If I were you I'd be hoping there were enough of those to go round. threat suitably noted. but you know what i don't give a shit. i've played this straight up from Day one. look at the clan list. there is one member and one primary member of the one testicled caterpillar clan. yeh, i've got a ton of allies.
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Post by Drain Bead on Jun 21, 2010 14:53:35 GMT -5
And just so everyone knows, moley tracked that mitchy was going to kill Cookies tonight. I blocked mitchy, obviously. Sadly, it didn't appear to do him any good. Vote: vote moodymitchy [/color][/quote] ok, i am confused. you seem to be implying that moody had something to do with moley being dead. but if you blocked moody who was targeting cookies why is moley dead. or did i miss something while i was gone?[/quote] No, the post previous to mine made that implication. I saw fit to provide everyone with the facts. Now on to read the rest of the thread. I may post more later.
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Post by Drain Bead on Jun 21, 2010 15:03:16 GMT -5
First off...
Unvote: moodymitchy Vote: Total Lost
I found out that Total was officially the MoDD very shortly after I made my first post in this thread, but wanted to ensure that story had out with it first, as he was the one who made the determination.
Before I made my vote post, I was still inclined to believe that Total was not the MoDD. Despite Bill's posts to the contrary, I just wasn't seeing the solid evidence there. My goal with that vote and most of my previous votes was to eliminate anyone who I knew or thought to have a killing role, first because I figured that the MoDD would probably be able to kill folks, and second because the biggest threat to my clan's long-term survival comes from those people, since none of them were in my clan. So Pleonast, I'd argue that you and I were attempting to accomplish the same things, but just had a difference of opinion regarding how to do them.
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Post by moodymitchy on Jun 21, 2010 15:27:13 GMT -5
Mitchy, did you kill Skeez? I'm just curious. Whoops yeah that one was me too.... wasn't a shot in the dark though it was on your say so.....
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Post by Renata on Jun 21, 2010 15:54:30 GMT -5
It was? I don't remember mentioning until after his death that he had admitted to being HoC, and I thought I was still trying to downplay my involvement in that at the time. Are you sure you're not thinking of peeker?
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Post by moodymitchy on Jun 21, 2010 16:09:31 GMT -5
It was? I don't remember mentioning until after his death that he had admitted to being HoC, and I thought I was still trying to downplay my involvement in that at the time. Are you sure you're not thinking of peeker? You know.... you stuck some doubt in my mind so I went back to check PM's and amazingly you were correct. It was PEEKERCPA who said REDSKEEZIX was HOC. But I do thank you for your admission that you were/are involved with Peek and were at the time that the information was passed around .
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Post by fisheroo on Jun 21, 2010 16:28:11 GMT -5
This is a bandwagon I can jump on with no reservations.
[blue]Vote Total Lost[/blue]
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Post by Zeriel on Jun 21, 2010 16:56:16 GMT -5
Vote Total Lost
No reason not to.
As for Pleonast, I voted Blockey pretty much exclusively because I could not trust him to make decisions that benefited the clan we were in together--or for that matter, to make decisions that benefited me at all. Given that I didn't trust him as an ally, it seemed prudent to jettison him.
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Post by peekercpa on Jun 21, 2010 17:07:55 GMT -5
It was? I don't remember mentioning until after his death that he had admitted to being HoC, and I thought I was still trying to downplay my involvement in that at the time. Are you sure you're not thinking of peeker? holy fuck you folks lie for shit. information diffusion « Message sent on May 28, 2010, 7:50pm » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (peeker, author) I assume you must have heard of Skeez's PM reveal by now and know more or less what he said is in it. I further assume that you recognize that certain bits confer a specific competitive advantage for those of us who are in the know over those of us who are not. The information is spreading too fast right now for that competitive advantage to last much longer, but I'd ask you at least not to spread it any further than you already have, and to ask the same of anyone else who knows. Back to Top Logged that's what i got from normal.
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Post by peekercpa on Jun 21, 2010 17:16:10 GMT -5
jeebus, i know that i am supposed to be playing it cool but i am not going to tolerate downright misinformation. i don't think that it is at all helpful at this stage.
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Post by peekercpa on Jun 21, 2010 17:19:21 GMT -5
how you can ascribe a "grudge" action to anyone at this point is not something i can even consider. at the risk of repeating myself, the only people i can see with grudges are you and bill. it's almost like you want to chop your nose off to spite your face. I think you are mistaken again - I hold no grudges. bill we are cool, i think. send me the durn address or whatever so i can honor our wager. all i was trying to infer is that your myopia may have limited potential possibilities. but in this game even that is not a given so, meh.
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Post by Renata on Jun 21, 2010 17:33:59 GMT -5
It was? I don't remember mentioning until after his death that he had admitted to being HoC, and I thought I was still trying to downplay my involvement in that at the time. Are you sure you're not thinking of peeker? You know.... you stuck some doubt in my mind so I went back to check PM's and amazingly you were correct. It was PEEKERCPA who said REDSKEEZIX was HOC. But I do thank you for your admission that you were/are involved with Peek and were at the time that the information was passed around . No problem, though it's not exactly a secret that the information on Skeezix went from me to Story to peeker and thence outward to everyone else. Anyway, enjoy the week everyone -- I'll be 99% away until Saturday.
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Post by peekercpa on Jun 21, 2010 17:47:51 GMT -5
It was? I don't remember mentioning until after his death that he had admitted to being HoC, and I thought I was still trying to downplay my involvement in that at the time. Are you sure you're not thinking of peeker? You know.... you stuck some doubt in my mind so I went back to check PM's and amazingly you were correct. It was PEEKERCPA who said REDSKEEZIX was HOC. But I do thank you for your admission that you were/are involved with Peek and were at the time that the information was passed around . and so, you are full of shit as well.
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Post by Renata on Jun 21, 2010 20:33:26 GMT -5
It was? I don't remember mentioning until after his death that he had admitted to being HoC, and I thought I was still trying to downplay my involvement in that at the time. Are you sure you're not thinking of peeker? holy fuck you folks lie for shit. information diffusion « Message sent on May 28, 2010, 7:50pm » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (peeker, author) I assume you must have heard of Skeez's PM reveal by now and know more or less what he said is in it. I further assume that you recognize that certain bits confer a specific competitive advantage for those of us who are in the know over those of us who are not. The information is spreading too fast right now for that competitive advantage to last much longer, but I'd ask you at least not to spread it any further than you already have, and to ask the same of anyone else who knows. Back to Top Logged that's what i got from normal. No, just ambiguity. I discussed it with you, because I knew you were Storyteller's outlet for the accusation and some things others had said made it appear you knew about the PM reveal as well (which happened that night). I'm not sure if you actually did. I didn't discuss it with anyone else except those I knew were already aware of it, which group did not include Moody. I can't speak to what Moody said about you telling him directly; I know I did discuss Skeezix with him the following day, but I don't think I gave away I knew anything about it at all before Skeezix was dead. Not sure it matters, but I like things to be clear where possible.
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Post by Total Ullz on Jun 22, 2010 1:35:35 GMT -5
Wauw - my name seem to come up in blue quite a lot toDay. I'd prefer to see it in red as well - but don't really see how to make that happen. To state that you're all mistaken would be silly at this point. Who would believe me anyway. I did (a bit) lie about some of my powers. So even if I make a claim at this point it will just be a "lynch all liars" as a reason to keep the votes on me
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Post by Drain Bead on Jun 22, 2010 7:18:20 GMT -5
Just because I'm curious, what are your powers? The nature of this game is that lynch all liars isn't all it's cracked up to be. Everyone's going to be lying a little, except maybe Pleonast.
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