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Post by NAF1138 on Jul 12, 2010 13:50:01 GMT -5
Oh also, while you are at it and everything, want to share the results of previous investigations MHaye? Maybe clear a couple of other townies?
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Post by BillMc on Jul 12, 2010 13:51:48 GMT -5
Huh, I am not sure how to reconcile that with the lack of a Night kill last Night. Anyone else want to claim credit for stopping last Night's kill? Well with the lack of night actions as indicted by Blockey, maybe the scum didnt get one in.
Or are you wanting the real doc to come forward?
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Post by NAF1138 on Jul 12, 2010 14:15:51 GMT -5
Buddy, I am the real doc. I was thinking more along the lines of a redirect or possibly a cop counter claim.
It's possbile that scum didn't get in an action. But Boozy has been active and I don't see that as likely. But it's possible, I am just trying to get my head around the implications.
Why are you so certain that I am scum Bill? What have I done that is scummy? So far no one has actually made a case against me.
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Post by BillMc on Jul 12, 2010 14:34:47 GMT -5
You appear rather quick to support Boozy
And why, not, I'll counterclaim Doc at this point.
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Jul 12, 2010 15:12:24 GMT -5
Wait. So, no kill happened last night. NAF, who has claimed Doc, says he protected me. If I'm scum, this would mean that 'we' (the putative collective scum, apparently including NAF and I, along with one other person) decided to no-kill on a night where we were about to put the Town at LyLo. That, along with both NAF and I putting our necks on the line toDay in order to save me. I don't know about you, but when scum fuck up, the obvious thing for scum to do is railroad them.
We also have to take into account that BillMc had the opportunity on Day One -and- Day Two to out a fake-claimed Doc, but chose not to, despite the fact that we had very, very weak lynch reasoning, and a counterclaim would have been fantastic to make either one of those days actually productive. I can understand waiting on Day One, but definitely not on Day Two.
That being said, I'm going to Vote: BillMc
I don't know what to think about MHaye's reveal. Like I said before, I can't see scum outing two of their members at this point. The only thing I can think of is that there's a redirector in the game, and probably a scummy one. Based upon my activity last night, I would assume that I'd be a good target for investigation, and the scum may have actually redirected actions on me onto one of their members, knowing that while there's probably an investigator in this game, there probably wouldn't be a second Vig. Either that happened, leading to MHaye getting the result he did, or the Scum have actually decided to risk two of their members in order to get a mislynch toDay.
But like I said, that's less likely because the numbers I've provided (you can either believe that I'm scum, and slipped, or have information from the mods via my role, it doesn't matter) show that we're not actually at LyLo toDay. My role isnt' particularly powerful, so I'm not too upset if I get lynched toDay, but we'll be at LyLo tomorrow and for the rest of the game, whether or not the scum get a kill off tonight.
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Jul 12, 2010 15:14:28 GMT -5
Well with the lack of night actions as indicted by Blockey, maybe the scum didnt get one in. Wait. You think that I'm scum, but I didn't get an action in? Even though I was active throughout the night? How does that make sense? Can I vote you again?
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Jul 12, 2010 15:15:43 GMT -5
Oh, and while we're at it, whom did you 'protect' last night, Bill?
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Post by NAF1138 on Jul 12, 2010 15:56:22 GMT -5
Yeah, ok, so that makes this really easy.
My best guess is that Red, MHaye, and Bill are scum. If you look at the previous Days and what happened in them and what is happening now, it's the scenario that makes the most sense. Well, it's the scenario that makes the most sense if you believe I am not scum. I happen to believe that, but I suppose YMMV. I am, surprisingly enough, not 100% on Red, but I am just about 100% certain about MHaye and Bill.
And Bill, you still haven't said why I was acting scummy, even before my claim. Just saying.
vote Bill
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Post by BillMc on Jul 12, 2010 16:04:36 GMT -5
I'm having deja vu about my first ever mafia game where I counterclaimed Doc.
I protected Mhaye last night.
And I am the White Choromomancer....not "the doctor" as NAF is claiming.
And at this point, I think Boozy and NAF are scum.
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Post by NAF1138 on Jul 12, 2010 16:07:41 GMT -5
Wait wait wait. You aren't the doctor?
Why did you say you were the doctor?
You have to tell me more about this Chromomancer character because just because you think you are the doctor does not make it so. I am actually called the doctor, you are not. This does not make for a reliable counterclaim until you present more evidence.
I am going to tentativly unvote you, because something is going on and this is a Blockey game and I would rather find out what than just lynch.
Hell man. I watched how you played in malazan, you are smarter than this.
unvote
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Post by NAF1138 on Jul 12, 2010 16:08:50 GMT -5
I am still leaning toward MHaye as scum though.
Bill, you have just frustrated the hell out of me. I thought I had made sense of things.
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Post by NAF1138 on Jul 12, 2010 16:10:34 GMT -5
GAH
I wish I was getting paid to hang out here so I could devote more than half a brain to any given post.
I am leaning toward MHaye as scum until I can get a better explanation for why no NK last Night or other information re: game setup comes to light.
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Jul 12, 2010 16:28:20 GMT -5
Wait. Who's the doctor, now?
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Post by BillMc on Jul 12, 2010 16:44:41 GMT -5
My character is "the white chromomancer", my powers are night protection -- ie, a doc; I protected Mhaye last night.
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Post by NAF1138 on Jul 12, 2010 16:59:27 GMT -5
Huh
Ok then. Maybe I will go back to voting for you. I had assumed that there was more to it than that since your role was all color coded. But since it isn't anything other than a standard doc and you have a fancy color coded title, I am going back to voting for you.
Sorry for the confusion. You didn't get dumber between Malazan and now, you just got scummy.
vote Bill
It's nice to know that life still makes sense. I need to learn not to out think myself.
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Post by BillMc on Jul 12, 2010 17:16:40 GMT -5
The thing you should realize from Mazalan is that I rarely lie and play it very straight. I am who I say I am
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Post by Red Skeezix on Jul 12, 2010 18:04:09 GMT -5
Some questions:
Boozy,
If you're telling the truth as you purport, why are you not voting for MHaye? I mean, one of you two is lying, since you're saying you're the Prismatic Refractor, and he's saying you're a Soul Stainer. Seems to me that you would have greater evidence that MHaye was lying than either of BillMc or NAF.
BillMc,
What was your motivation in choosing today to make the counterclaim? Why not yesterday?
Why are you voting for Boozy, even after you have made the counterclaim? Are you more sure that MHaye is telling the truth than you are?
NAF, what is your specific role name?
MHaye, what is your specific role name?
So far we've seen things like Chromamancer and Necromancer, and the Vig was the Black Chromamancer, so white chromamancer seems to fit a "doc" type role. But, I will say that this is categorically null and WiFoM, since BillMc is definitely clever enough to pick up on this association and attempt to exploit it.
Also, the four of you (MHaye, NAF, Boozy, BillMc) could you please enumerate any actions/info you may have taken during the last two nights, and explain your specific motivations for each of these actions?
I'm currently voting Boozy, and I feel confident in my vote for him based on him jumping on BillMc over MHaye, but honestly, I and I assume everyone else would like a more complete picture before making decisions and I'm confident that more data will lead to more interesting questions of the four of you.
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Post by NAF1138 on Jul 12, 2010 18:16:20 GMT -5
I am called the doctor. I protected myself Night 1 since I was a claimed power role, I protected Boozy Night 2 because he was right about how close we are to being at lylo and I figured I had enough heat on me that I was unlikely to be targeted for a NK.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jul 12, 2010 19:18:12 GMT -5
Well, I certainly generated a bit of heat while I was out playing nWoD. My role name is Detective. There is no reference to any colour, and I am not a Chromamancer. Also, I have no PM from Blockey telling me I must post in white. That may (or may not) bear on the Bill/NAF controversy. Last Night I saw Boozy Squid with blue light flowing from him to an (unnamed) other player. That's how I know he is the blue Stainer. On Night 1 I investigated Archangel. I knew she was Town-aligned; I thought quite hard about claiming to save her, but since she failed to claim when 4-2 up I kept mum. I was afraid of a recoil killing someone who might be more valuable to the Town. (My Night 1 results PM implied that Archangel's power was not the strongest against the SS.) Sorry, Archangel. My suspicions of BS PI, which had been a nagging gut feeling, bloomed too late to get a vote in (you can thank my fumblefingers for that) but solidified when he made his post about three SS. While that would be the number I would expect (since we know about the blue one, the obvious hypothesis is that the others are yellow and red) he was very confident about it, so I investigated him. More later.
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Post by sinjin on Jul 12, 2010 20:15:45 GMT -5
*wavies* happy to be here.
Vote Boozy
I'm cool with a NAF vote too. I have a mundane mafia role with a game specific name. Why don't you NAF?
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Post by sinjin on Jul 12, 2010 20:24:33 GMT -5
Changed my mind. Voting for the scummiest IMHO.
Unvote Boozy
vote NAF
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Post by NAF1138 on Jul 12, 2010 21:01:46 GMT -5
*wavies* happy to be here. Vote BoozyI'm cool with a NAF vote too. I have a mundane mafia role with a game specific name. Why don't you NAF? Dunno, take it up with Blockey and apparently, MHaye. MHaye's full claim makes me want to trust him. I still can't explain why no one died, but maybe Boozy did just fuck up the night action submission.
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Post by NAF1138 on Jul 12, 2010 21:03:35 GMT -5
OR he might be third party. That would be interesting. Multiple soul stainer and Boozy is an SK or something.
I am fairly positive someone else should be able to shed some light on things. Now is the time for information sharing people. I know that that last sentence will probably get my lynched but frankly I don't care. The truth is that we are behind and need to bootstrap ourselves up a bit.
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Post by Total Ullz on Jul 13, 2010 6:31:10 GMT -5
Okay, now I'm green - and hopefully not with envy
I think it seems strange to me that NAF is so sure only he could have stopped the NK. Their could be other reasons. A roleblocker is the first that comes to mind (to me, that is). I tend to believe most claims in most games. But I can't begin to believe them all in this game. I'm going to wait putting down a vote. But right now Mhaye is the one I'm most likely to trust. The claim rings true to me.
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Post by Total Ullz on Jul 13, 2010 6:34:36 GMT -5
(since we know about the blue one, the obvious hypothesis is that the others are yellow and red) Did I miss something? Why would yellow and red be more obvious? We have two players posting in red - so I can see that color being someone trying to steel their soul. But why yellow and not green?
Also - if someone IS indeed trying to do red stuff to Pollux and Bill - I wonder why Bill started out white like me but Pollux didn't. I was simply informed I should post green toDay. Still no explanation was offered to me. So I have no informations to share about this.
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Post by Total Ullz on Jul 13, 2010 6:35:23 GMT -5
OoG: Happy Birthday, Squid
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Post by BillMc on Jul 13, 2010 7:56:03 GMT -5
With MHaye's claim as "Detective", I'm a little more inclined to possibly believe NAF as "Doctor".
As I mentioned - in my first ever game of Mafia I was a partial-doc (didn't really understand the role) so when someone I thought was scummy claimed Doc, I counter claimed - and got promptly lynched for it. Case and point here - I counter claim, and immediately pick up the votes.
My PM also indicates that it would be bad for me for the soul stainers to know who I am - hence why I didnt pipe up immediately on NAF's claim.
Now it is possible that we are both making true claims - we are playing a Blockey game - so usual assumptions are generally invalid.
So MHaye accuses Boozy, Boozy is all over me...rather than defending himself. So I'm inclined to believe MHaye.
Wild theory time....
Archangel never actually fessed up to whether she had or had not used her power N1 - so she may have actually killed Mental Guy.
Now as for "soul stainers" - maybe their kill is actually multiple "stains" - clearly I've been stained twice
(ps - befor the Blockey edit of the Day 2 opening, Cap was white rather than I, so purely on a mod-typo theory, I suspect Cap was behind making myself or Total white).
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Post by Total Ullz on Jul 13, 2010 8:19:24 GMT -5
Based on Bills post and going a bit meta-gamie myself. Maybe that's why Archangle didn't claim. Maybe she didn't see her taking responsibility for a town-kill could save her from a lynch.
She was here - and she knew she'd gotta the votes. So maybe she did kill M-Guy...
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Post by NAF1138 on Jul 13, 2010 8:35:34 GMT -5
I think it seems strange to me that NAF is so sure only he could have stopped the NK. Their could be other reasons. A roleblocker is the first that comes to mind (to me, that is). Sure, if we have a roleblocker in the game, now would be a good time for them to claim and tell us who they blocked so we can get the information we need to make a good lynch toDay and toMorrow. Right now, based on what I know to be true, my protection seems the most likely cause of the lack of NK. If there are actually two docs maybe it's Bills protection that caused the lack of NK. But I don't know enough about the setup yet to know if I should belive that there are two docs. Again, I feel that a full claim would be a good idea right now. No matter how you look at it town has to be close to lylo. It's really sort of now or why bother.
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Jul 13, 2010 8:45:53 GMT -5
Some questions: Boozy, If you're telling the truth as you purport, why are you not voting for MHaye? I mean, one of you two is lying, since you're saying you're the Prismatic Refractor, and he's saying you're a Soul Stainer. Seems to me that you would have greater evidence that MHaye was lying than either of BillMc or NAF. Because I can factor in some redirect which would allow for a mis-vestigation. I can't see two docs.
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