Merestil Haye
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Day Two
Jun 1, 2007 18:08:49 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 1, 2007 18:08:49 GMT -5
... we'll have to agree to disagree; Ok. No great point turns on the argument does it? Pleonast's vote broke the then-existing tie, true. It might be interesting to see what develops after roles start being exposed. As for Autolycus, I got the feeling that he wanted to throw the vote into extra time; his first vote was intended to set up the tie, and when he realised that he broke the tie instead he reversed it. His second vote was to tie the three of us at the moment of sunset, in case we could only vote for one of those on the tied vote during extra time. I might have done the same thing if our positions had been reversed. (I suggested the extra time routine because I'd used it before, although my version was a 24 hour extension, and you could vote only for one of the people in the tie. maybe Auto thought it worked like that?)
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Day Two
Jun 1, 2007 18:08:53 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on Jun 1, 2007 18:08:53 GMT -5
(This is a simple application of Murphy's Law. The error hid until it was too late.) In most forums I post in, there is a simple remedy for this - the Edit button. Put those missing words in, pronto! Here, in this game, that's a capital offence. Do it and die. The only two options I had were to let it stand, or to make an errata post. I chose to make an errata post to ensure I was not misunderstood. I was not thinking of Gadarene's "this is what townies do" analysis at the time. I hope that clears it all up for you. If you have any more questions, please ask them. After all, it's important that we understand each other's concerns. The slip, in and of itself, as evidence is fairly weak, but it was the best reasoning on which I had to go at the time and so I voted. However, Gadarene hit on some other points in reply 214 that you failed to respond to. Interestingly enough, those being ignored is a clever pirate tactic (as I pointed out) and it's largely worked because the vote for you has been characterized as being based on merely a single slip, which it is not. [oops... I thought I posted this like an hour ago]
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Day Two
Jun 1, 2007 18:21:54 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on Jun 1, 2007 18:21:54 GMT -5
Oh for the love of God! Why are is a tie being forced? I think it's being forced because ONE of the vote getters is a pirate, and it's safe to force a three-way tie because there's no way to say one of the other two shouldn't be suspicious. (snipped) Actually, no additional movement towards any of the three may very well mean: 1. All pirates are asleep at the switch 2. The pirates don't care who will die (remember, they know the allegiance of all the players) 3. All three candidates are pirates In MIII 1. There were two vote swings, of which only one benefitted the scum 2. There was one vote tie which was a tie between townies and known scum actually held back (By the way, my vote-tying action was, as Autolycus remarked, on purpose) unvote FCoDI can see no benefit for scum to have a tie between (snip) Right at this minute, though, I suspect they are laughing at the prospect of a free shot at lynching one of two crew. Not really. Their primary goal is to stay alive (see storyteller's posts), so they're probably just hanging back and watching. Oh, so if I read these two quotes right, you don't think any of the top contenders are scum. Okay, fair enough. And on that note: vote HockeyMonkeyOh, so if I read this right, you think HockeyMonkey is scum BECAUSE of the three tying votes? Contradict thyself much? FOS diggitcamara!
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Day Two
Jun 1, 2007 18:22:21 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 1, 2007 18:22:21 GMT -5
OK, folks - I have developed an exceedingly unplesant stomach virus. I am obsessed enough with this game to make this post, but this will almost certainly be my last contribution for a while. I have three comments: 1. The first concerns this quote: OK, this may sound a little convoluted, but try to bear with me: It comes down to a 3 way tie between myself, FCOD and Mhaye. Each of us voted for another of the three. If any of us had changed our vote before the deadline, there would have been a lynch. I switch my vote from Mhaye to FCOD, and FCOD dies. FCOD switches from me to Mhaye, and Mhaye dies. Mhaye switches his vote from FCOD to me, and I die. Conclusions? Well we could all three be pirates and did nothing to protect ourselves. Unlikely. This is fairly good logic. Where it breaks down, though, is in the fact that FCoD was not around for the abrupt rush of votes that led us to the three way tie. The fact that he didn't switch from you to MHaye therefore doesn't really mean much of anything at all other than that he wasn't here. I am pretty well interested in the vote shifts to and fro to this point, but I don't think we're going to be able to interpret them until we know the alignment of at least one of the principals for certain. But my vote is staying with FCoD. One of the things I noticed - this may be grasping at straws, but I'm saying it anyway - is the difference between the way things went down today and the way they went down yesterday. There has been no particular rush of votes on FCoD, in spite of the fact that a fairly significant number of players have indicated that they find him at least a bit suspicious, and that they agree with my reasoning in suspecting him. If he were crew, it would have drawn little suspicion for any given scum to slip onto the FCoD bandwagon and let me take the heat for it as his most aggressive pursuer. It seems to me that this did not happen, which suggests that maybe, just maybe, the scum didn't climb onto the train the way I suspect at least one or two did with KatiRoo because they didn't want FCoD lynched. It's perhaps an excessively elaborate theory, but coupled with everything else I've said so far I'm staying where I am and hoping I'm right. 2. If I'm right, and FCoD is scum, then I'd like to suggest a further theory. Suppose you were a replacement player, and upon joining the game learned that: (1) you were scum; and (2) one of your fellow scum was running neck-and-neck in the lynch race with a crew member. Now, ordinarily, if you cast a vaguely-reasoned vote for the townie that brought her over the top, you would fall under at least some suspicion after her death. But you just joined. You know people will give you a bit of leeway on your vote because you needed time to catch up. So you post. You say that, for reasons you just can't reveal right now, you just happen to be suspicious of both leading vote getters, but - again, for reasons that you have in your notes, you swear - you're more suspicious of the townie. You cast your vote, apologetic, promising to vote with reasons the next time, for the townie. You make sure your voting post includes disclaimers about trusting in the people who've been around longer to save her if she's innocent. She dies. "Oops," you say. "If I had more time to read, I might have known better." Best of all, you've expressed suspicion of the scum who was on the block, so if he is revealed later, you look better. A complicated play, but a pretty slick one. Now check out Hal Briston's entry into this day. Granted, this theory depends upon the premises that: (1) FCoD is scum; and (2) hockeymonkey is not. It's therefore useless right now. But if those two things turn out to be true in the fullness of time, and if I'm not around to make this observation, I'd like it on the record. 3. I disagree with Autolycus' weird voting strategy for this day, but think it smells less scummy and more like Auto marching to his own drummer. I confess that I have no idea how to handle him, whether to vote for him, what. In the last game (Mafia 2), he was the best thing that ever happened to us as scum, because there was no way the town wasn't going to lynch him sooner or later. I don't want us to give the pirates in this game the same advantage, but at the same time, if he does happen to be a pirate that sort of thinking will lose us the game sooner or later. Anyway, that's it. I apologize for any incoherence or grammatical errors in the above; I'm really pretty freaking sick right now. Good night, and hopefully things will look brighter for both the crew and my digestive system come morning.
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Day Two
Jun 1, 2007 18:25:02 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 1, 2007 18:25:02 GMT -5
I can see no benefit for scum to have a tie between This post looks like it was cut off prematurely. Between what? The pirates got him! But seriously... Mhaye, you say these are all mistakes but you've been making a lot of them. And I'm not even counting the one Gad was on about because I knew what you were meaning there. But you didn't even mention, in that long defense (semi-defense? Dunno what you'd consider it) that other mistake about accusing FCOD referencing cowgirl. That was a pretty big slip too. Actually one I'd put more weight on than any other typo you've made. Being and getting so enthusiastic to bump someone off you accidently attribute false posts to them? Heck, in day one I've had my words seemingly twisted and even in this one I've been accused of doing it to someone...but never have I seen just out and out wrong facts about someone and using those (untrue) things to vote for someone. I do understand how it makes sense to vote for him though because you're own neck is on the line, but even before you had a huge following, you made those mistakes (two of them that I know of). And I'm of the like mind that hockeymonkey is either a slightly bad playing goodie, or a pirate who's not well at hiding herself or being subtle. Problem is, which one? I feel it's the latter. Stemming from day one where she puts it out there that "It's so random!" when we already know it is somewhat and it should be a given/common sense. She also was one of them who voted for Katiroo, and one that jumped on the bandwagon that was forming for MHaye (although this is a bit more understandable since her head was also being placed in a noose). And, finally, I'm always very suspicious of those who vote and unvote a lot. It's harder to keep track of who they vote for since they're hopping around so much and makes sense scum would do that more before finally settling down on someone. I also agree, yet AGAIN, with Hockey Monkey (even though I think she may be scum) who says that the mafia will probably not all jump on one person at once and rather split up and cast separate votes on people not even being voted for much. I dunno, I'm torn between her and Mhaye. I feel both are scummy in different ways, and Hockey more than Mhaye but I think that at least one of them is, for sure. Meanwhile my vote is on Kyrie, who I also have pretty big suspicions of, but seeming as how he's in no danger of even being CLOSE to being lynched, I'll leave him alone for now (and possibly pay more attention to his posts to see if I really am reading them wrong, as he says, in the future (If I'm around in the future that is)) and unvote Kyrie Eleison and vote hockey monkey. For reasons stated above and because I feel, right now, she's the most likely to be scum of anyone else.
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Day Two
Jun 1, 2007 18:27:28 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 1, 2007 18:27:28 GMT -5
and the definitely male CowSnip snip. Haha, what an oxymoron. Maybe he would have been better off being named FlyingBullofDoom?
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Day Two
Jun 1, 2007 18:32:26 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 1, 2007 18:32:26 GMT -5
Now check out Hal Briston's entry into this day. Granted, this theory depends upon the premises that: (1) FCoD is scum; and (2) hockeymonkey is not. Snipped. Yeah, true...but you're seemingly forgetting one variable. The theory also depends on the fact that Hal Briston is town too (which you seem to be automatically assuming). But offgame: I hope you feel better. Those stomach things are the worst. : / Get a lot of rest and take it easy. I hope it gets better for you in a hurry. I'll be hoping.
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Day Two
Jun 1, 2007 18:36:30 GMT -5
Post by diggitcamara on Jun 1, 2007 18:36:30 GMT -5
Oh, so if I read these two quotes right, you don't think any of the top contenders are scum. Okay, fair enough. And on that note: vote HockeyMonkeyOh, so if I read this right, you think HockeyMonkey is scum BECAUSE of the three tying votes? Contradict thyself much? FOS diggitcamara! Ummm... All of them interesting, however, one of them catches my eye: Pleonast's vote to give you the lead benefits either FCoD or HockeyMonkey. If (or when) FCoD and/or HockeyMonkey roles are revealed, we'll have some more information on Pleonast as well. Shortly before the day ended there was a (short-lived) attempt to untie the vote. Which would have benefited either FCoD or HockeyMonkey. So, either of them become interesting at that time. And yes, I contradicted myself, since I hadn't actually seen that the votes of the three contenders tied twice within less than half an hour.
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Day Two
Jun 1, 2007 18:37:48 GMT -5
Post by diggitcamara on Jun 1, 2007 18:37:48 GMT -5
This post looks like it was cut off prematurely. Between what? The pirates got him! But seriously... Mhaye, you say these are all mistakes but you've been making a lot of them. (snip) ... he didn't make the mistake. I did. (and corrected it when he called my attention to it)
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Day Two
Jun 1, 2007 18:39:11 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 1, 2007 18:39:11 GMT -5
Now check out Hal Briston's entry into this day. Granted, this theory depends upon the premises that: (1) FCoD is scum; and (2) hockeymonkey is not. Snipped. Yeah, true...but you're seemingly forgetting one variable. The theory also depends on the fact that Hal Briston is town too (which you seem to be automatically assuming). No, you're misreading. My theory is, in essence, if FCoD is scum and hockeymonkey is not, then Hal Briston looks awfully suspicious for his entry posts. I'm still around. This is because I'm an idiot and obsessive compulsive. I should sign off and go to bed, but I can't... stop... refreshing. Augh.
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Day Two
Jun 1, 2007 18:48:09 GMT -5
Post by diggitcamara on Jun 1, 2007 18:48:09 GMT -5
(snip) No, you're misreading. My theory is, in essence, if FCoD is scum and hockeymonkey is not, then Hal Briston looks awfully suspicious for his entry posts. (snip) ... Remember: if Hal Briston is scurvy, he'll already know who's scum and who's not. So, actually, if he's always right is actually when you should really look in his direction (I can't believe I'm saying this to you)
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Day Two
Jun 1, 2007 18:51:28 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on Jun 1, 2007 18:51:28 GMT -5
Oh, so if I read these two quotes right, you don't think any of the top contenders are scum. Okay, fair enough. Oh, so if I read this right, you think HockeyMonkey is scum BECAUSE of the three tying votes? Contradict thyself much? FOS diggitcamara! Ummm... All of them interesting, however, one of them catches my eye: Pleonast's vote to give you the lead benefits either FCoD or HockeyMonkey. If (or when) FCoD and/or HockeyMonkey roles are revealed, we'll have some more information on Pleonast as well. Shortly before the day ended there was a (short-lived) attempt to untie the vote. Which would have benefited either FCoD or HockeyMonkey. So, either of them become interesting at that time. And yes, I contradicted myself, since I hadn't actually seen that the votes of the three contenders tied twice within less than half an hour. But, the point you're missing is that if one of them IS scum(between HockeyMonkey and MHaye) and you are too, then you can either vote for the one that's not (which will look bad when they turn up town) or make it a three-way tie (which doesn't look nearly as bad and gives you a "but I was only trying to tie it up" excuse for your vote). Then, you act like you think all three are townie which is why you tied it up. Then you go back and pick between the other one that isn't MHaye after presenting the idea that you think they're townies. If MHaye swings and comes up as a pirate, you'll be getting my vote tomorrow.
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Day Two
Jun 1, 2007 18:54:30 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 1, 2007 18:54:30 GMT -5
... Remember: if Hal Briston is scurvy, he'll already know who's scum and who's not. So, actually, if he's always right is actually when you should really look in his direction (I can't believe I'm saying this to you)No... augh... I suck at this right now. I tried to be all clever with my hypothetical before, and it obviously bombed spectacularly. My point is: Hal Briston joined this game by voting for hockeymonkey and refusing to identify even a single reason, pleading ignorance based on his status as a new player. By voting for hockeymonkey, he could well have caused her to be lynched instead of FCoD. If hockey is crew and FCoD is scum, then my theory is that perhaps Hal Briston's ostensibly reason-less vote for the former had a reason after all: he wanted to see town lynched instead of scum. Ordinarily I'd say this would be a clumsy and obvious scum play, but it's possible that Hal was counting on the rest of us to give him extra leeway because of his status as a new player. Does that make sense yet? Even if you don't agree? Because I really need to go to bed but don't want to do so until I manage some sort of clarity.
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Day Two
Jun 1, 2007 18:59:53 GMT -5
Post by diggitcamara on Jun 1, 2007 18:59:53 GMT -5
But, the point you're missing is that if one of them IS scum(between HockeyMonkey and MHaye) and you are too, then you can either vote for the one that's not (which will look bad when they turn up town) or make it a three-way tie (which doesn't look nearly as bad and gives you a "but I was only trying to tie it up" excuse for your vote). Then, you act like you think all three are townie which is why you tied it up. Then you go back and pick between the other one that isn't MHaye after presenting the idea that you think they're townies. If MHaye swings and comes up as a pirate, you'll be getting my vote tomorrow. And why would I do that now? I voted to tie it up in the first place (and my vote went for FCoD). If I knew either of them was scurvy, I'd have voted for MHaye in the first tie, thus preventing the tie in the first place. Like I said, a while before, a three-way-tie doesn't benefit scurvy at all, unless the top two vote-getters are already scum.
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Day Two
Jun 1, 2007 19:03:53 GMT -5
Post by diggitcamara on Jun 1, 2007 19:03:53 GMT -5
No... augh... I suck at this right now. I tried to be all clever with my hypothetical before, and it obviously bombed spectacularly. My point is: Hal Briston joined this game by voting for hockeymonkey and refusing to identify even a single reason, pleading ignorance based on his status as a new player. (snip) Ordinarily I'd say this would be a clumsy and obvious scum play, but it's possible that Hal was counting on the rest of us to give him extra leeway because of his status as a new player. Does that make sense yet? Even if you don't agree? Because I really need to go to bed but don't want to do so until I manage some sort of clarity. Yep. Makes sense to me. (Especially since you qualify Hal's play as a "short-timed" response). Go to bed. Rest. Remember: boats give people seasickness and I don't think you need that right now.
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Day Two
Jun 1, 2007 19:04:19 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on Jun 1, 2007 19:04:19 GMT -5
Ok, here's the deal.
I get what you're saying, storyteller. If I were scum, then coming in with a vote like that would be perfect cover. However, I'm not scum -- I'm just hellaciously behind. hockeymonkey asked for my reasoning in voting for her, and that's difficult to give. Especially since when I went back through her posts to find some of the scum tells I picked up on, I found more evidence of her townlieness than scumliness (keep in mind that in order to get through the thread in time to vote required reading very quickly...I caught a lot more the second time around).
So, here's how we're going to do this: unvote hockeymonkey
Vote...no one. Yeah, yeah, I know, scum tell, yadda yadda...fact is, coming in when I did, I don't think it's fair for me to be casting a vote yet...not until I can make a vote for someone that I strongly feel is scum. Coming in late and giving a quick read-through, I'm can't say I'm getting that strong feeling from anyone.
I'm sure tomorrow will be different, of course.
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Day Two
Jun 1, 2007 19:12:20 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jun 1, 2007 19:12:20 GMT -5
hockeymonkey - Your switch away from the other two may have saved your neck (so it's either a great pirate move or a decent town move). But your accusation of me is off base. You said that by calling you crew I was scum trying to warm up to you. Here's what I said about you (bolding added) : This hardly seems an ingratiating statement. Realize that I was essentially saying it was okay if you got lynched today. You might call it a scummy (or cowardly) of me to say "she can die, I just want no part of it" and hold on to what is at this point merely a protest vote, but I certainly didn't think what I said ought to have put me on your good side. If anything, I insulted you. I'm pretty sure that we do not have a pirate among the top vote-getters. You yourself just argued for that being the case (since it was possible to shift votes to send someone else to the gallows). I was half-heartedly for getting rid of who I thought was the weakest (you). If not for the fact that you just made yourself look more crew-like, I'd probably end up voting for you since that was the outcome I was most amenable to. I no longer feel your death will reveal as much about those who did or did not vote for you, but it might be the best case after all. I also don't want to feel like I'm pulling an OMGUS vote. Your other point was that you feel I'm somewhat 'under the radar'. I admit I haven't built a strong case yet, but after the first Day as a newbie, I was a little intimidated. For what it's worth, I'll try to spend some time and actually come up with a better case against Lakai (though it's hard with just a few posts). Unfortunately I probably won't have time before the Day ends, so I'll leave it at that. Actually this (quoted below) is ALL of what you said that I based my statement on. I'm bolding the part that I thought was relevant to my accusation. Auto - I'm with you on Gad seeming a little too helpful. Nonetheless he's posted good general information, without a lot of finger-pointing. If he starts asking us to agree with him on certain people, then I'll be ready to throw him out. My vote stays where it is. Largely because I don't like that lurkers (like Lakai) can go completely unnoticed while the weak votes for them fall away. My opinions on other vote-getters, though: Don't vote or not vote for Flying Cow of Doom based on how you feel about storyteller0910. His attack seems a bit strong but if you want to vote for FCOD, do it. Just don't use storyteller's quotes alone; check for yourself. In my opinion, FCOD is doing a pretty crew-like defense (see post 282 for an example). The votes for MHaye seem to be all based on one mistake, which could be telling, but it seems a bit thin yet for me. Given that the sentence was obviously contradictory ( it started "That is good news;" before the "harder to win" part) I'm considering it a permanent black mark, but not enough to vote on today. hockeymonkey - I feel she's just crew not playing well, and not scum. After I hopped in the KatiRoo boat and said "Let's see if we can tip this!" I'm reluctant to take out another crew member. I don't see enough evidence either way (though her death may indeed be useful - I just don't have the bloodlust to push her to it). Topic for discussion (maybe Tomorrow) that I think we shouldn't forget : If Sneaky Sam is on board, we really need to eliminate him or hope the pirates kill him quick. Otherwise he ends up spilling his guts when his head goes in the noose, potentially revealing prime information. It's late in this Day to get distracted by it, but I felt it should be out there. Did you just leave that part out by mistake? I think not. You plainly stated that you thought I was crew and just not playing well. Yeah you insulted me, but I'm not going to take it to heart. I have a lot more to learn to play this game well. Hopefully one of these games, I'll get to play scum and see how bad I am at that. ;D But really, panamajack, I think it looks scummy that you snipped out that part of your quote.
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Day Two
Jun 1, 2007 19:13:32 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 1, 2007 19:13:32 GMT -5
The pirates got him! But seriously... Mhaye, you say these are all mistakes but you've been making a lot of them. (snip) ... he didn't make the mistake. I did. (and corrected it when he called my attention to it) What are you on about? I'm talking about Mhaye's mistakes in the past. That quote of his quote of you was just thrown in for humor's sakes to guess at why you had stopped in mid-sentence.
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Day Two
Jun 1, 2007 19:14:50 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 1, 2007 19:14:50 GMT -5
No, you're misreading. My theory is, in essence, if FCoD is scum and hockeymonkey is not, then Hal Briston looks awfully suspicious for his entry posts. Ohhhh, okay. Gotcha now. Sorry I misread. Heck, who isn't obessive compulsive when it comes to this game?
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Day Two
Jun 1, 2007 19:16:05 GMT -5
Post by diggitcamara on Jun 1, 2007 19:16:05 GMT -5
... he didn't make the mistake. I did. (and corrected it when he called my attention to it) What are you on about? I'm talking about Mhaye's mistakes in the past. That quote of his quote of you was just thrown in for humor's sakes to guess at why you had stopped in mid-sentence. Sorry, I thought you were attributing my mistake to him.
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Day Two
Jun 1, 2007 19:22:36 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 1, 2007 19:22:36 GMT -5
The slip, in and of itself, as evidence is fairly weak, but it was the best reasoning on which I had to go at the time and so I voted. However, Gadarene hit on some other points in reply 214 that you failed to respond to. Interestingly enough, those being ignored is a clever pirate tactic (as I pointed out) and it's largely worked because the vote for you has been characterized as being based on merely a single slip, which it is not. [oops... I thought I posted this like an hour ago] It happens. I didn't respond to Gad's post immediately because I needed to think about it. I then had a bad day on this "course" I've been sent on. When I got in I had to deal with a complete reread because i felt I could not trust my notes. My defence boils down to “Everything you say is true, but you draw the wrong conclusions from it.” Let's look at it now, shall we? According to Gad (in the post you link to) I am a low-volume poster (true) who is assertive and confident (thanks Gad ). Well, yes. I'm not one to make posts on every little thing. I'll answer a question if it's simple (eg the "who's to vote" question), otherwise I'll make notes and assemble the evidence to find out who is scum. (And really, did you think that I would not be interested in who hadn't voted at that point? One of the things I had been doing was tracking vote totals and changes. It was easy for me to get the answer, and gave me a few minutes thinking about something else.) I played (on another forum) for 2½ years or so. I hope I know which end of a lynch rope is which by now. (Although I may be a bit out of my depth here). Gad says I give the impression of choosing my words carefully. Guilty as charged. I do choose my words carefully. If I just wrote any old thing in response to a post, I'd write garbage. So I think, I draft. I even spellcheck and try to proofread, and yet you've seen that even then I make mistakes. Just imagine how badly I'd come across if I let myself respond to any old thing. In my first game, I did come across as somewhat defensive, too ready to respond to the slightest accusation of Mafiadom. And, of course, part of that was due to the fact that I was scum. This actually led to one player spotting me in the second Day. His campaign against me had scarcely begun when he was hit – we'd chosen him as the victim (randomly) the day before. The general inexperience is attested to by the fact that no-one followed up and nailed me for it. Since then, I've controlled my initial defensive response. Here, that discipline gets me called scum. C'est la vie. As for the fact that I'm the only poster who conforms to one particular posting style – there's no rule that says scum have to have every kind of style, is there? Maybe the actual pirates just have no-one who posts in a way similar to mine. So there it is. I hope you feel it was worth the wait.
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Day Two
Jun 1, 2007 19:31:28 GMT -5
Post by ArizonaTeach on Jun 1, 2007 19:31:28 GMT -5
I was perusing the unavailability thread, and noticed something interesting. FCOD said he will be gone until Saturday. Let's see if there is a sudden increase in accusations and votes for him in the final hours when he can't defend himself. The creating a tie thing earlier today really rubs me wrong, and three votes within thirty minutes of each other with the tying vote five minutes before deadline by mhaye is so extremely suspicious I can't stand it. If auto hadn't unvoted there, FCOD would be gone, so if FCOD is scum, I would be surprised if Auto is, too, because that would be the most insane move, short of pulling a Winston Smith, that I could think of.
The votes seem to be swinging towards hockey monkey instead of mhaye at the moment, which his reasonable because I do think his vote for panama jack was flippin' insane. I'm keeping my vote where it's at, though.
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Jun 1, 2007 19:38:32 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 1, 2007 19:38:32 GMT -5
But seriously... Mhaye, you say these are all mistakes but you've been making a lot of them. And I'm not even counting the one Gad was on about because I knew what you were meaning there. But you didn't even mention, in that long defense (semi-defense? Dunno what you'd consider it) that other mistake about accusing FCOD referencing cowgirl. I'm not trying to defend that, because I can't. No-one can. Even though it was my neck, I wasn't going to vote for him on the basis of "it's me or him." To put up a fight I'd have to have some evidence that he's scum, or believe my life is more valuable to the crew than his. If you think I've made other mistakes, please trot them out.
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Jun 1, 2007 19:46:23 GMT -5
Post by diggitcamara on Jun 1, 2007 19:46:23 GMT -5
(snip) so if FCOD is scum, I would be surprised if Auto is, too, because that would be the most insane move, short of pulling a Winston Smith, that I could think of. (snip) Have you read anything Autolycus has written before? He is patently insane. ;D
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Jun 1, 2007 19:47:36 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 1, 2007 19:47:36 GMT -5
What are you on about? I'm talking about Mhaye's mistakes in the past. That quote of his quote of you was just thrown in for humor's sakes to guess at why you had stopped in mid-sentence. Sorry, I thought you were attributing my mistake to him. Hahaha, I was thinking that may have been it. No problem.
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Jun 1, 2007 19:57:10 GMT -5
Post by ArizonaTeach on Jun 1, 2007 19:57:10 GMT -5
(snip) so if FCOD is scum, I would be surprised if Auto is, too, because that would be the most insane move, short of pulling a Winston Smith, that I could think of. (snip) Have you read anything Autolycus has written before? He is patently insane. ;D You...make a good point there!
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Jun 1, 2007 21:08:28 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jun 1, 2007 21:08:28 GMT -5
I was perusing the unavailability thread, and noticed something interesting. FCOD said he will be gone until Saturday. Let's see if there is a sudden increase in accusations and votes for him in the final hours when he can't defend himself. The creating a tie thing earlier today really rubs me wrong, and three votes within thirty minutes of each other with the tying vote five minutes before deadline by mhaye is so extremely suspicious I can't stand it. If auto hadn't unvoted there, FCOD would be gone, so if FCOD is scum, I would be surprised if Auto is, too, because that would be the most insane move, short of pulling a Winston Smith, that I could think of. The votes seem to be swinging towards hockey monkey instead of mhaye at the moment, which his reasonable because I do think his vote for panama jack was flippin' insane. I'm keeping my vote where it's at, though. I don't think it was insane. After re-reading through again after sunset and the extension, I developed some ideas about how it all manifested. That's why I asked Mal if we had to vote for one of the top three. If I am going to die, as it looks like I might, I want to make sure that the rest of the crew knows what my thoughts were. I am extremely suspicious of panamajack right now, and if you will go back and read my posts since sunset, you might find some merit behind my decision. So when I die, please take a hard look at him. And I'm a girl monkey.
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Jun 1, 2007 21:40:25 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jun 1, 2007 21:40:25 GMT -5
This extention has gone by fast. It think we have less than 3 hours left before someone swings. By my unofficial count, Mhaye has 5, I have 5, and FCOD has 4. No one else is in the running right now. I'm not going to switch my vote off panamajack to Mhaye to save my own skin. The way this has all played out, I don't much think he's a pirate anymore. Maybe FCOD is and storyteller (I think) was right about him not being around to swing the vote. I am not a pirate!
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Jun 1, 2007 21:41:49 GMT -5
Post by ArizonaTeach on Jun 1, 2007 21:41:49 GMT -5
And I'm a girl monkey. Sorry, unless it's in like size 6 font and bright red, I won't notice these things...
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Jun 1, 2007 22:26:45 GMT -5
Post by Gadarene on Jun 1, 2007 22:26:45 GMT -5
hockeymonkey:
Okay, here's my dilemma. hockeymonkey screams crew to me. Nearly every post of hers has got that decidedly townie tone (in which I might be placing a little too much stock, I suppose). What's more, after mhaye'splausible---albeit somewhat belated---response to my suspicions of him, I'm much less sure than I was of his piratedom as well. Either mhaye's crew, or he's an extremely sneaky and nuanced scum. Either way, he's obviously an accomplished, experienced, and intelligent player---and, as I said when confronted with a potential choice between Autolycus and Blaster Master yesterday, I don't want to vote to lynch strong players in the early going unless I'm pretty damn sure they're scum; the possible loss to the town in the event of a mistake is too great otherwise.
But unvoting mhaye, who I'm now only 25 percent convinced is scum (I was around 40 percent convinced before, which is a hell of a lot for this stage of the game), will most likely lead to the lynching of hockeymonkey, who I'm maybe 10 percent convinced is scum (the average, I'd say, is 15 percent or so; the math is guesswork and is unimportant except to say that I'm a little less suspicious of her than most people and a little more suspicious of mhaye than most people). That's not a good result.
My only other alternative, if I want to act on my revised sentiments---again, assuming the above vote count is accurate---is to unvote mhaye and vote FCOD instead. Although I'm not much more suspicious of FCOD than I am of mhaye (they're both at around 25 percent for me), I feel like his loss would be absorbed a bit more easily by the town, should he prove to be crew. (No offense intended, FCOD. The very things that make mhaye such a dangerous player if he's scum make him immensely valuable if he's crew.) And I do think that there are grounds (ably articulated by other posters) to think that FCOD may well be a pirate. storyteller's comparative observations regarding FCOD's play in this game and previous games ring especially true.
I'm going to submit this post, which is long enough already, and ruminate for a minute or two on what I should do. (I'm hopeful that the day won't, y'know, end while I do so.)
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