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Post by Pleonast on Jul 27, 2010 14:15:34 GMT -5
With three living Witches, you may choose to protect one player and to investigate one player. You must all agree on the targets.
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Post by septimus on Jul 27, 2010 14:31:07 GMT -5
Hello, Eureka and Nanook! Quite a Day! Maybe it's too late now, but I wonder if we should have worked out some code during Night Zero. Something like this: Any message with the phrase "most plausible" means "Eureka, I think you should claim." Message with "less likely" means "Septimus, I think you should shut up!" Is that ethical? Please comment on my errors. I enjoy playing, hope that eventually my skill improves all the way up to mediocre, but will need a lot of friendly advice to get there! I should warn you: it's now 2:30 AM in my timezone (Thailand). I'm a night-owl person, but not too nighty, so this will probably be my only post for several hours. I'll defer to your expertises on our powers ToNight. I assume we protect one of you, but have nothing but very vague hunches to guide any investigation.
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Post by Nanook on Jul 27, 2010 14:53:06 GMT -5
I'm worried that you're exposed. You were very focused on the Cabal in some of your posts, and it isn't hard to go from focused on Cabal to worried about Cabal to must be a Witch.
I'm also worried that Eureka has checked out of this game. If you're reading this, don't worry. You did fine for the situation you were in. It's always a bit of culture shock for new players in these games. Most of the players have been in a lot of games, and this seems to happen with every new player in a veteran game of this type. Don't take it personal.
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Post by eureka on Jul 27, 2010 20:03:35 GMT -5
I haven't checked out, although I haven't read the Day One thread much past the point where people started unvoting me because Nanook claimed on my behalf. I could not have been around for the end of the Day if I'd wanted to, but I could have posted before I went to work if I'd wanted to and I didn't. I feel bad that Nanook exposed himself to protect me, given that I'd more or less decided that I wasn't having fun and wouldn't mind dying--really, it wasn't the number of votes I was accummulating, it was that the only cases people built against others that I understood seemed to be making mountains out of molehills.
I did know that my votes last night were less than optimal strategy wise when I posted them, but I didn't want to not vote for anyone, and I was tired and stressed for frivolous out of game reasons.
I'd opt to protect Nanook over myself--there are worse things than for me to wake up dead on Day Two. Besides, I half-expect to be less likely for someone to consider nightkilling, although given my track record so far, one should not put much weight on my opinions.
No opinions on who should be investigated.
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Post by eureka on Jul 28, 2010 7:22:46 GMT -5
I am about to leave for work, and will not have internet access until I come home again (in nine or so hours, about 6 pm, Eastern), so please feel free to discuss as much as it is convenient for you to do so in my absence.
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Post by septimus on Jul 28, 2010 11:30:24 GMT -5
I have a lot of questions. 1. While it's Night, I hope you advise me on any procedural or strategic issues I might be faced with toMorrow. Don't assume anything is too obvious to mention! 2. Do I seem townish or scummish? In other words are the accusations against me scum-tells or town-tells? 3. Is bufftabby probably truthful? If not, will we know soon enough anyway? My hunch is not to waste an investigation on her, but since only Witches (not Seer) can identify Omega Wolf, perhaps we have a special obligation to investigate. Is it likely some group of Wolves have decided to misrepresent themselves as a false Mason group during Day 2? If so, what should our reaction be? Will we regret not having investigated bufftabby? 4. My opinion may be worth little but if I had to pick an investigatee by myself right now, I'd have three main candidates. Sachertorte and Special Ed post a lot. Perhaps that's a good reason to investigate; knowing their faction will help us interpret their posts. Of course another argument would be to investigate someone like Kat! who posts less, but more "cryptically." 5. I hope my fellow Witches offer their opinions on the other players. My top suspects for scum right now are Kat!, stanislaus and duvsie. A few other scum candidates might be based on sachertorte's post of C3 role requests, which I think has more probabilistic value than others are claiming. Please let's discuss toNight, especially how to react to likely developments toMorrow.
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Post by Nanook on Jul 28, 2010 12:06:31 GMT -5
We can't identify the Omega Wolf, only the Freemasons can do that. And we know there are Freemasons, because Idle is Town and therefore the list is accurate. Bufftabby would be a waste of an investigation. She's almost certainly telling the truth, because there are certainly Masons, and there's no way for the Mason handshake to be faked.
You're overly focused on how others perceive you. Much like what happened to Eureka, people are going to take this as a scum tell, even though it isn't necessarily. Also, you should be really careful about saying things like "I think this person is Town, and he's suspicious of this other person, so that bolsters my suspicion of that person as well." You said that at least once with I believe Ed. They'll came after you for it, calling it snuggling and that you are trying to avoid responsibility for your suspicions.
Ed is pinging the hell out of me as scum. I would like to investigate him. He's being wishy washy, and that stunt where he voted for something like half the players in the game is a great way to avoid accountability. Any single vote gets lost in the noise.
My second candidate for scum is SisC. Go back over and read her posts. They're just a little off.
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Post by septimus on Jul 28, 2010 12:49:10 GMT -5
(Oops, I overlooked that Omega Wolf deceives us as well as Seer.)
When you say SisC's posts are "off" you mean compared with SisC in earlier games, or just "off" period? Can you point to one of her "off" posts so I see what you mean? In any case, her terse posts might just confuse me even if I knew her faction. Of those two, Special Ed would be my choice to investigate.
How do you read Kat! ?
BTW, when we investigate will Pleonast tell us the answer after Dawn, or will we have time to discuss it?
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Post by Pleonast on Jul 28, 2010 13:33:05 GMT -5
BTW, when we investigate will Pleonast tell us the answer after Dawn, or will we have time to discuss it? I will post the result in this thread and then close it. You won't be able to discuss it until the next Night.
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Post by Nanook on Jul 28, 2010 14:22:24 GMT -5
She didn't say anything other than throwing suspicion on my claim, and to want to lynch Idle. The suspicion on the claim espcially is kinda ridiculous considering how it went down. I wouldn't be suprised if she was cabal.
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Post by eureka on Jul 28, 2010 17:50:59 GMT -5
I'm fine with investigating either Special Ed or Sister Coyote.
I have no clue who might be scum.
I will be around this evening, and again tomorrow morning, but will be offline by about 9 am, and will be unlikely to have computer access again until after 3, which matters less than I thought it did because the Night doesn't end on Thursday. But Friday I have to be at work at 8 am (Eastern) so I'd be happier if we've kinda made a decision by bedtime on Thursday.
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Post by septimus on Jul 29, 2010 0:19:30 GMT -5
The suspicion on the claim espcially is kinda ridiculous considering how it went down. I wouldn't be suprised if she was cabal. Even I caught that her false-witch claim hypothesis was ridiculous and wondered about it. But she didn't think any experienced players would fall for it, right? So maybe she was just trying to confuse me (or was confused herself?) Anyway, the reason I'd prefer to investigate Special Ed (unless you think it's very likely SisC is Cabal) is that his posts are much more informative, so knowledge of his faction will be much more valuable to us. We'd better review some simple mechanics before Dawn. ( Pleonast, feel free to step in and tell us the answers!) If we find a Wolf or Cabalist, do we tell everyone? The Vampires don't even know who their other team members are (correct?), so what about finding one of them? I think Nanook should do what has to be done toMorrow, but the other Witches will want to understand what's happening. Even with us protecting Nanook, is there some way he could die toNight? We do our actions collectively rather than nominating a particular Witch as investigator and another as protector; that means the actions can't be blocked, right?
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Post by septimus on Jul 29, 2010 0:41:46 GMT -5
You won't be able to discuss it until the next Night. In principle we could devise a code for private discussions in the public thread. I don't think we'll do this, but I wonder if it violates the rules (or their spirit). Have teams done this in the past?
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Post by Nanook on Jul 29, 2010 1:42:20 GMT -5
The only blocking ability in the normal game is the Cabal power, and we are immune from it. Barring a secret power(which there's really no point in speculating on, since there's jack all we can do about whatever it might be), if we choose to protect me and investigate Ed, it will go through no matter what.
If we come up with a scum role of whatever type for Ed, we tell them right away in the main thread. With us exposed there's no reason to hold it back, and with no Vig we'll want to lynch him right away. Same if we come up with a Town reading, though obviously we won't be in a rush to lynch him then.
People have used codes before. They don't work very well though, and I wouldn't suggest we do so. There was a game where the masons I think had like a one shot investigation or something, and had the same night talk only restriction we do. One of them did an investigation, and they set up a code where if it came up scum the investigator would start his/her first post with a specific letter or some such. They did, and the person was lynched and was scum. The problem? The investigator had forgotten about the code, and it was just random luck that led to the lynching. Too much risk of a mistake.
If you're worried about not being sure when to claim, you do it when/if you're within 1-2 votes of the lynch threshhold. For Tonight there can be between 0-3 deaths(3 NK abilities, but there's always the possibility of kills doubling up and/or being blocked). Since it takes at least half to vote, the lynch threshhold will be somewhere between 11 and 13. So basically, claim if you hit double digits.
My choice for tonight is protect me, investigate Special Ed.
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Post by septimus on Jul 29, 2010 2:18:03 GMT -5
My choice for tonight is protect me, investigate Special Ed. If Eureka agrees, we're set. Thanks for your comments, Nanook. I've just been browsing the C3 game (to see if SisC's posting style had obviously changed) and I see that it was our very own fellow Witch who caught the slip that led to a Day 1 Cabalist lynch! Congratulations, Nanook ! (As I feared, perusing the old game led to as many questions for me as answers. Day 1 had much talk of "fcs" but neither nor Google know what this is.)
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Post by eureka on Jul 29, 2010 6:33:33 GMT -5
OK, I'm fine with protecting Nanook, and investigating Special Ed.
Septimus, are you sure it wasn't FOS? FOS meant Finger of Suspicion, which for awhile was common terminology in Mafia Games.
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Post by Nanook on Jul 29, 2010 9:56:43 GMT -5
FCS is just peeker speak for "for christ's sake". It's not a mafia term.
Yeah I caught the Day 1 cabalist slip in that one. Too bad for me I caught him making the same damn slip I made back in C2, when I was also Cabal.
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Post by Pleonast on Jul 29, 2010 10:18:53 GMT -5
You won't be able to discuss it until the next Night. In principle we could devise a code for private discussions in the public thread. I don't think we'll do this, but I wonder if it violates the rules (or their spirit). Have teams done this in the past? Yes, it has been done in the past. One game, one Witch had a secret investigative power. Since only that Witch got the result, they set up a code word for each possible result. The general rule Is that you must post in English. No rAndoM-appearing cryptographic charActer sequences. But feel free to set up a book of code Words wIth secreT meanings. Or embedding information in some other Clever way.
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Post by Pleonast on Jul 29, 2010 10:22:00 GMT -5
And it looks like your orders are: protect Nanook and investigate Special Ed.
You can always change your mind before Dawn.
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Post by Pleonast on Jul 30, 2010 14:15:50 GMT -5
Special Ed is Wolf.
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