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Post by Pleonast on Aug 6, 2010 14:03:18 GMT -5
The Night passes with hushed whispers. What will befall us?
The answers are: stanislaus and eureka die. metallicsquink and Merestil Haye are Town. Merestil Haye becomes a Zombie.
It is now Day Three.
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Post by stanislaus on Aug 6, 2010 14:06:06 GMT -5
Ah, crap.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Aug 6, 2010 14:09:35 GMT -5
Well. I, for one, am curious to hear what sachertorte was "Gah"-ing about.
--FCOD
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Post by Merestil Haye on Aug 6, 2010 14:10:29 GMT -5
BRAINS! (and spoilers, please - being dead does have its compensations.) At this point I can also say...
Go Town!
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Post by Gir! on Aug 6, 2010 14:54:37 GMT -5
I have about one minute before someone sees me on here and makes me work so: Vote Inner SticklerAlso: <FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">Ok here and reading along.... my last post refered to SPECIAL ED and his apparently being vocal .... to which NPHASE replied saying he was actually less vocal than normal..... I see what you meant now but am curious as to a couple of things... main one that's bothering me is a comment made by SPECIAL ED www.idlemafia.com/index.cgi?actio....1417&post=66399 it's the "pay the price" part that I'm wondering about.... NANOOK mentioned the possibility of a SCUM bomb... and if my understanding is correct then WOLVES are one kind of "scum" in this game... but I'm not quite sure how the tagging might have gone on... Also I'd like to know where he picked his numbering from to produce the libelous (?) apart from one MOD confirmed Scotsman and a couple of unconfirmed claims..... list from ) I don't like how Mitchy is appearing to be completely confused and unaware of the fact that Ed's list and numbering were taken from the Official Player List. Any reasoning behind that? Vote Mitchy
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Post by Renata on Aug 6, 2010 15:01:17 GMT -5
I think I want to
vote: Inner Stickler[/color].
Despite him still being alive, I think Mental Guy's claim is credible.
-- Special Ed said that MHaye was a wolf. A false-claiming Undead or Cabal would have to consider that might be true, and hence dangerous to contradict. If MHaye did flip wolf this morning, the charade would have been over. -- On top of that, a false claim of detective is one that would seem to have a very short lifespan regardless. From anyone but the wolves, it's going to attract a kill sooner rather than later, no question. The witches due to their powers had (and still have, maybe), little incentive to protect one of three detectives at their own expense. Even the retributive kill of the Undead is little protection in the long term -- wolves still have the luxury of numbers, and the Undead don't. From the wolves themselves, there's only going to be so long before the 'detective's survival is questioned; again, it's very short term.
Possibly the most important thing: Inner Stickler himself. If he's not a wolf, what's gained by such a gambit? If he is, what's the benefit of lynching him to buy Mental Guy at most another day or two alive?
Anyway, it's not yet quite certain, but I'm happy enough to jump on this one with both feet.
Sachertorte is more uncertain, given the source of the accusation. There's a case to be made against him on its own merits, but considering I completely failed to see it before Special Ed offered me a nice confirmation bias cocktail with which to view it, I'm not exactly confident in presenting it.
The rest will have to wait.
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Post by moodymitchy on Aug 6, 2010 15:41:46 GMT -5
Thanks for the vot KAT I think you are mistaking confusion with actually not knowing.. Now you've answered my question.
I knew I hadn't been the first to sign up to this game and I'm used to player lists normaly being posted as in the order that players have signed up for them.... so and you can choose to believe me on this or not... when I saw my name topping the list and also saying I'm a wolf.... I believed it was SPECIAL ED trying to throw some more crap and wifom about before his death...
I don't know about you but if I want to throw suspicion upon someone in a list.... I'd put them at the top or near to it.... I hadn't until reading you post, been to look at the players rosta ..
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Aug 6, 2010 15:42:04 GMT -5
Of course I will Vote Inner Stickler. I was ready to vote for him yesterday along with Special Ed. At best he's a wolf. At worst, he isn't but then we have a known liar the next Day.
But just want to say that even if Inner Sticker is a wolf, MentalGuy could easily still be a wolf who (obviously) knows Inner Stickler is another wolf. Playing the extreme cynic: With my list pretty much verified and very little places for wolves to hide, they are going to be desperate. Detective is probably the safest thing to claim since there are/were three known ones somewhere in the game yet none of them know who the others are. Very easy for a wolf to claim detective and get away with it..ESPECIALLY if they come up with correct results. So yes, this is a smudge against MentalGuy..although not a huge one and I certainly won't vote for him anytime soon...just letting everyone know I'm not going to automatically think he's Town either, even if it is right about Inner Stickler.
Very, very, very smart and clever scum would certainly make this kind of play. I know I would if I were scum. So I (and hope everyone) keeps these things remembered.
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Post by Gir! on Aug 6, 2010 16:02:34 GMT -5
MentalGuy gave plenty of time for himself or Inner Stickler to be investigated by the Witches or the Seer, though.
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Post by Nanook on Aug 6, 2010 16:26:57 GMT -5
The Witches have nothing we wish to share at this time, beyond sadness at losing Eureka. Knew it was only a matter of time.
I don't know about that Idle. The issue with it is that an active Detective claim in this game is one with a very short shelf life. Him not dying last night is not a surprise mind you, since with the time he claimed the Wolves would know they could just use IS for the kill and blank him for Today. Each Night after this that he survives after this however is suspicious.
Vote: Inner Stickler
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Post by Renata on Aug 6, 2010 20:02:33 GMT -5
Duh, of course. (At myself.) You're right, in that light his survival today is not unexpected at all. Well maybe slightly, but not really worth noting.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Aug 6, 2010 23:05:30 GMT -5
well this is incredibly easy... again...
Vote Inner Stickler
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Post by Inner Stickler on Aug 6, 2010 23:45:16 GMT -5
Also boring.
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Post by septimus on Aug 7, 2010 6:32:57 GMT -5
Vote Inner SticklerAnother boring Day? Maybe not quite: Very easy for a wolf to claim detective and get away with it..ESPECIALLY if they come up with correct results. Yes. Even I figured out that Mental Guy is either Detective or Wolf, and Inner Stickler is probable Wolf in either case. I now view nphase (and perhaps Kat!) with suspicion for pretending not to know that. [Mental Guy] not dying last night is not a surprise mind you, since with the time he claimed the Wolves would know they could just use IS for the kill and blank him for Today. Each Night after this that he survives after this however is suspicious. A known Detective might have been a more logical target for Wolves than anyone else last Night despite that they could have waited. And why didn't Mental Guy wait until very late in the Night to claim? I can think of townish reasons to wait until late at Night, and scummish reasons to claim early in the Night....
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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 7, 2010 7:19:18 GMT -5
Vote Inner Stickler
If Stickler's not a Wolf, I'll go see "Cats and Dogs" again. And that would be the definition of suffering.
Then there's Kat:
This is really weak. I can see being surprised that he didn't recognize the provenance of the list, but making the jump from there to Scummy seems unsupportable. Why would Scum be any more likely to miss this fact than Town? What would a Scummy mitchy have to gain by pretending to have missed the official player list? It seems like you are just looking for something slightly weird on which you can pin a convenient vote.
Stickler should die toDay, but my vote will be for Kat toMorrow.
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Post by Red Skeezix on Aug 7, 2010 8:38:53 GMT -5
vote Inner Stickler
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Post by sachertorte on Aug 7, 2010 9:06:07 GMT -5
Well. I, for one, am curious to hear what sachertorte was "Gah"-ing about. --FCOD Really? Two confirmed dead townies, plus one almost certainly dead witch out of 4 nightkills and you're curious about my saying Gah!? Not to put too fine a point on it, but Town is in serious trouble. I'm baffled that Pleonast didn't put in a Vigilante. Town can't win without a significant number of scum crosskills. At best we are 1 for 4. I say Gah all the time. And yes, it pretty much expresses exasperation. I'm really trying to curtail the lecturing, but seriously, if someone is not sure that making a move is the right thing, maybe that someone should mull it over. Think about it for a few hours, maybe even sleep on it. Night wasn't ending for quite some time, yet we have ANOTHER town claim, with plenty of time for scum to optimize their actions based on it. Since then, I've thought about the situation and must acknowledge two pro-Town factors that ameliorate my exasperation: (1) Town night actors could optimize as well. The witches and the seer would know to not target Inner Stickler last night since it was clear that IS was going to get lynched Today. (2) I agree that claiming before Dawn was prudent (I thought immediately before Dawn would have been better), but with 3 detectives in the game, avoiding multiple claims just before Dawn is a worthwhile pursuit. Vote: Inner Stickler
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Post by sachertorte on Aug 7, 2010 9:13:35 GMT -5
MentalGuy gave plenty of time for himself or Inner Stickler to be investigated by the Witches or the Seer, though. Not that this helps for Night 2, but I disagree. I don't think it makes sense to investigate MentalGuy at this time (or possibly ever). Mental Guy has provided hard data. Whether he is lying or not is irrelevant. The truth or falsehood of his claim is verifiable. Even if both Inner Stickler and Mental Guy are wolves, Mental Guy's actions are a strong positive for Town (and all non-wolf factions). He will have handed over a Wolf, for FREE. He also puts himself in danger of being exposed. If we find 3 dead detectives and a living Mental Guy, um, that's pretty conclusive. Also, if he is not a wolf, Wolves will KILL HIM! My point? No need to investigate MentalGuy; it would be a phenomenal waste of resources. His townness or scumness will come to light through other means.
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Post by sachertorte on Aug 7, 2010 9:14:52 GMT -5
The Witches have nothing we wish to share at this time I 100% endorse this stance.
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Post by Captain Pinkies on Aug 7, 2010 10:46:08 GMT -5
Vote: Vote: Inner Stickler
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Post by Sister Coyote on Aug 7, 2010 11:03:01 GMT -5
Just popping in to say
Vote: Inner Stickler
I see no reason to doubt Mental Guy at this point.
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Post by Gir! on Aug 7, 2010 11:16:58 GMT -5
This is really weak. I can see being surprised that he didn't recognize the provenance of the list, but making the jump from there to Scummy seems unsupportable. Why would Scum be any more likely to miss this fact than Town? What would a Scummy mitchy have to gain by pretending to have missed the official player list? It seems like you are just looking for something slightly weird on which you can pin a convenient vote. Ah, but this is not the first weirdness he's exhibited. Let's look at this weirdness first: "Also I'd like to know where he picked his numbering from to produce the libelous (?) apart from one MOD confirmed Scotsman and a couple of unconfirmed claims..... list from" First off, it strikes me as an unnaturally stilted phrasing (As opposed to something like "Where the hell did you get the player order for your fake list?"), and so comes off as a less-than-honest reaction. Second, why does it even matter? Mitchy says in his response that it was because he was listed first, but think about it, Ed was an outed and admitted Wolf, who's going to believe his accusations? Even if part of his list was true, no one (other than the other Wolves) know which part*. And third, it reads (to me) as an attempt to strengthen/support his vote on Ed, in a "Look, here's another reason I'm voting for him" way, when the case needed no strengthening (he was a Witch investigation!). It feels like distancing himself from Ed. As for why a scum might be more likely to miss it, the player list in in the same thread as the votecounts. Even if you're keeping track yourself, it's a good idea to check at least the final count to make sure you didn't miss one. If someone is also reposting the vote counts on a scumboard, a scum player may not need to do that. Also, was he not the least bit curious about the number in front of his name in the role PM? What had initially made me minorly suspicious of Mitchy was his first Day 1 post in which he was wishy-washy on pretty much every point he made, plus his objection to MentalGuy placing multiple votes**, plus his convoluted alternate theory on Idle's list and his big production of asking the mod about it, also during Day 1. *If he manages to hit on an Undead or Cabal, that doesn't make the accusation "true", it makes it a lucky guess on a lie. **This bit I may be misreading, but that is what "Also with the mulit vote and the size of the game (I don;t think I've played in one much bigger) one Day one it's a good place for SCUM to do this and then however long down the road when possibly one of BILLMc SEPTIMUS or EUREKA to turn SCUM" comes across as to me.
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Post by Gir! on Aug 7, 2010 11:23:08 GMT -5
MentalGuy gave plenty of time for himself or Inner Stickler to be investigated by the Witches or the Seer, though. Not that this helps for Night 2, but I disagree. I don't think it makes sense to investigate MentalGuy at this time (or possibly ever). Mental Guy has provided hard data. Whether he is lying or not is irrelevant. The truth or falsehood of his claim is verifiable. Even if both Inner Stickler and Mental Guy are wolves, Mental Guy's actions are a strong positive for Town (and all non-wolf factions). He will have handed over a Wolf, for FREE. He also puts himself in danger of being exposed. If we find 3 dead detectives and a living Mental Guy, um, that's pretty conclusive. Also, if he is not a wolf, Wolves will KILL HIM! My point? No need to investigate MentalGuy; it would be a phenomenal waste of resources. His townness or scumness will come to light through other means. You missed my point, which is not that MentalGuy should be investigated (I agree with you on the point), but that he could have been. The fact that he made the claim early enough that the Witches* could include him as a possible target in their discussions is a favorable point for him. *Less so the Seer, since s/he wouldn't have to get agreement from 2 other people.
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Post by MentalGuy on Aug 7, 2010 20:15:41 GMT -5
Vote Inner SticklerAnother boring Day? Maybe not quite: Very easy for a wolf to claim detective and get away with it..ESPECIALLY if they come up with correct results. Yes. Even I figured out that Mental Guy is either Detective or Wolf, and Inner Stickler is probable Wolf in either case. I now view nphase (and perhaps Kat!) with suspicion for pretending not to know that. [Mental Guy] not dying last night is not a surprise mind you, since with the time he claimed the Wolves would know they could just use IS for the kill and blank him for Today. Each Night after this that he survives after this however is suspicious. A known Detective might have been a more logical target for Wolves than anyone else last Night despite that they could have waited. And why didn't Mental Guy wait until very late in the Night to claim? I can think of townish reasons to wait until late at Night, and scummish reasons to claim early in the Night.... The reason I claimed early was that I was simply not sure if I would be available later on to claim. It turns out I could have claimed later, but not really close to the end of Night. If you think I should not have claimed at all last Night, fine. You may be right. I just decided I did not want to take the chance of dying with the info. Well. I, for one, am curious to hear what sachertorte was "Gah"-ing about. --FCOD Really? Two confirmed dead townies, plus one almost certainly dead witch out of 4 nightkills and you're curious about my saying Gah!? Not to put too fine a point on it, but Town is in serious trouble. I'm baffled that Pleonast didn't put in a Vigilante. Town can't win without a significant number of scum crosskills. At best we are 1 for 4. I say Gah all the time. And yes, it pretty much expresses exasperation. I'm really trying to curtail the lecturing, but seriously, if someone is not sure that making a move is the right thing, maybe that someone should mull it over. Think about it for a few hours, maybe even sleep on it. Night wasn't ending for quite some time, yet we have ANOTHER town claim, with plenty of time for scum to optimize their actions based on it. Since then, I've thought about the situation and must acknowledge two pro-Town factors that ameliorate my exasperation: (1) Town night actors could optimize as well. The witches and the seer would know to not target Inner Stickler last night since it was clear that IS was going to get lynched Today. (2) I agree that claiming before Dawn was prudent (I thought immediately before Dawn would have been better), but with 3 detectives in the game, avoiding multiple claims just before Dawn is a worthwhile pursuit. Vote: Inner Stickler [/color][/quote] I did try to weigh which was better, claiming early or late, (and did not really decide which was best) but in the end I was uncertain I would be able to claim later. Story, I agree that Kat's vote justification is weak by itself, but I had also been finding Mitchy suspicious for the same reasons she mentions. It is possible that neither one is Town, but I would deifinitely be voting Mitchy over Kat. But for toDay: Vote Inner Stickler
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Post by sachertorte on Aug 8, 2010 7:47:44 GMT -5
You missed my point, which is not that MentalGuy should be investigated (I agree with you on the point), but that he could have been. Okie Dokie.
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Post by bufftabby on Aug 8, 2010 10:46:01 GMT -5
Vote: inner stickler
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Post by Holy Moley! on Aug 8, 2010 13:20:32 GMT -5
I think it's going to be one of those games where I'm not going to find out for certain how right or wrong I am until the very end of it.
Anyway, Vote Inner Stickler because I can't see a bandwagon without jumping on it. Plus he's probably closest to confirmed scum that we've got right now.
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Post by moodymitchy on Aug 8, 2010 15:08:44 GMT -5
VOTE INNER STICKLER
KAT your last point that you say you mis read it... I'm not sure if you mis read it or you chose to not reproduce it in it's entirity... so I wll
Also with the mulit vote and the size of the game (I don;t think I've played in one much bigger) one Day one it's a good place for SCUM to do this and then however long down the road when possibly one of BILLMc SEPTIMUS or EUREKA to turn SCUM...
MENTALGUY can pop up saying he told us so way back in Day one.
What I meant buy this was that with a multi vote thing .... you can vote a lot of folks and as they might turn up SCUM later in the game .. you can jump up and down shouting about it... Hope that clears up your confusion..
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Post by BillMc on Aug 9, 2010 5:40:29 GMT -5
Vote: Inner Stickler Really? Two confirmed dead townies, plus one almost certainly dead witch out of 4 nightkills and you're curious about my saying Gah!? Not to put too fine a point on it, but Town is in serious trouble. I'm baffled that Pleonast didn't put in a Vigilante. Town can't win without a significant number of scum crosskills. At best we are 1 for 4. I find myself agreeing with Sach (I'll try and not make a habit of it ;D ) but Town is in trouble. At this point, it appears the non-town are happy to work together and decimate the town. Without a Vig, the town's main weapon is the lynch - and I feel the Idle wasted his power. Revealing the information hasn't really done the Town any good, but it deprived the Town of a possible non-Town lynch (it was pretty much a 50/50 crapshoot on Day1) and of him depriving the non-Town of a NK and finding out the killer. Even then 1 lynch vs 2 NK's - Town is in trouble.
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Post by Renata on Aug 9, 2010 7:26:31 GMT -5
Excuse me, Sachertorte, but you said "gah" *before* it was known that both Metallic Squink and Merestil Haye were townies, and *before* Eureka was killed. You shouldn't mention those things as if they were part of the reason for your exasperation at Mental Guy's reveal.
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