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Post by Pleonast on Aug 18, 2010 16:10:59 GMT -5
Choose someone to protect or to investigate.
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Post by Nanook on Aug 18, 2010 16:43:11 GMT -5
I think Town is in a precarious enough place that it's about time for something of a Hail Mary. I would suggest we pick someone tonight to investigate, and then I make a post at about 1 minute before Dawn stating as such and naming Septimus as the last Witch.
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Post by eureka on Aug 18, 2010 17:20:17 GMT -5
OK, any nominees?
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Post by septimus on Aug 18, 2010 17:35:48 GMT -5
Town is in big trouble, but let's be sure to try a Hail Mary that makes sense. I don't know what Investigation is going to have such paramount value. Rule Clarification? If Seer investigates tonight but is Night-Killed, Town won't learn her Investigation result, right? Therefore, if we don't protect Nanook, might not Protecting Kat! make as much sense as doing our own investigation? (Opposed to that idea is that Cabal will probably pick Kat! to block, right? Even so, keeping Kat! alive may be worth as much as an Investigation.) The Night-Killers who've been trying to kill Nanook are likely to switch to kill Kat!, right? I'm not necessarily saying that Protecting Kat! is better than protecting Nanook, just that Investigating may be the least attractive of options. Unless you have an idea of someone who really needs Investigation; do you? Ten out of 13 Townies are already known (or assumed known) to us. redskeezix and BillMc might be two more; do you agree? As for the 13th Townie, nphase has a family emergency, but what's with Captain Pinkies? Not voting is very anti-Town. There's been discussion about Pinkies which has mystified me. Comments? And if we do Investigate, I don't see the urgent need to reveal either it or septimus' role toNight. Several Townies need to accept responsibility for yesterDay's poor ending. I definitely think Idle should have placed some vote earlier. By letting No Lynch become a possibility, panic set in. Maybe I'm to blame for helping the bandwagon against Kat!, but I really had a hunch she was scum; I think voting for everyone that seemed scummish, as I did, is the proper way to avoid a No-Lynch panic like we had. (PS: Yes it is 5:30 am in my timezone! I'm a night-owl to start with, and an insomniac when there's excitement. )
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Post by septimus on Aug 18, 2010 17:43:35 GMT -5
Ten out of 13 Townies are already known (or assumed known) to us. Oops! I miscounted! Eleven are known to us. If redskeezix and BillMc are also Townies, that's the whole set. (I'm just using redskeezix and BillMC as examples, who do my fellow Witches guess are the last 2 Townies?)
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Post by Pleonast on Aug 18, 2010 17:53:25 GMT -5
Rule Clarification? If Seer investigates tonight but is Night-Killed, Town won't learn her Investigation result, right? A Night-killed Seer will receive their results, but will not be able to report while dead.
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Post by Nanook on Aug 19, 2010 1:28:39 GMT -5
I can't imagine the last Cabal(and we do have to assume there's a cabal alive until we see a mod note saying otherwise) letting a Seer's investigation go through. What is their other option? Block randomly and hope to hit the Wolf or Vamp kill? Can't rely on that.
Town needs Undead to be found. Keeping me alive does not accomplish that.
Captain Pinkies has done this in every game I've seen him play. I don't understand why he even signs up. He signs up, posts a few fluffs here and there, and then disappears. Honestly, if I was a mod, I wouldn't even let him sign up.
I think our best play is to pick someone we're suspicious of and try and investigate them and hope we get lucky. Even if we find a Wolf, we can try and use that information to leverage some help out of them. They need the Undead dead as much as we do.
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Post by Nanook on Aug 19, 2010 1:34:19 GMT -5
And by my count, we only know 9. 4 dead, bufftabby, MHaye, squink and poor eureka. Idle, Kat(can't believe that's a fake), Sach(since we know he's not a mason, he can't be the Omega), and the two of us still living. It's still not out of the question that tabby was lying, though I won't deny it's really unlikely.
Who to investigate? Story maybe. Or duvsie, the lack of claim+everything that made me suspicious means she's almost certainly not Town. The only real question is what flavor.
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Post by septimus on Aug 19, 2010 4:19:03 GMT -5
And by my count, we only know 9. The other two I was counting were Mister Blockey (Kat! writes: "Mister Blockey investigates as Freemason" though I guess Mason/OmegaWolf is now a 50-50 proposition) and MentalGuy (if he were a fake Detective from the Wolves' Den, wouldn't he have glibber explanations?) I don't know whom to investigate. story and FCOD both requested Undead in C3; would they do that again? or change for the sake of variety? sachertorte seemed to strongly suspect storyteller is Undead. In "the best of worlds" we might assume story is Undead so not waste an Investigation on him. ... But this is not the best of worlds. I wonder if toMorrow, Town will need to negotiate a truce with the Wolves? (Speaking of duvsie, my post seemed to really irritate her. I hope that was scummish play-acting, because I want to be friends here even with Foes. Comments?)
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Post by eureka on Aug 19, 2010 8:14:00 GMT -5
I'd probably assume that duvsie's irritation is real, rather than scummish play-acting. But I wouldn't assume she'll hold a grudge. I don't think most successful Mafia players hold grudges.
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Post by Nanook on Aug 20, 2010 1:06:17 GMT -5
Duvsie, pollux or Story.
I vote Duvsie, but will listen to arguments for the other two.
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Post by septimus on Aug 20, 2010 2:19:50 GMT -5
I was confused Day One, and have become only more confused as the game has progressed. I just did "search for Recent posts" on pollux and story; besides each placing a vote on Kat!, nothing seemed "scummish" to my untrained eye. Pollux has hardly posted at all: just a few useless "fluffs". Story has posted much more: messages which may seem "townish" but are just meta-comments he doesn't tie to this specific game. Other than story's C3 role request, I don't know if sachertorte had any specific reason for thinking story Undead. I'd guess all three are scum. It occurs to me that Pollux is likely not to be a Wolf: If he were a Wolf, he'd be more interested in the game, and bouncing Daytime posts around per his Nighttime discussions in the Wolves' Den. Does that sound right? Is duvsie considered a good player? Some of the ideas in her posts seem confused; perhaps Cabalist over-acting is the most likely explanation. So, I'll defer to your jusgement, Nanook, on whom to Investigate. I ask one thing: Since I may be the only living Witch toMorrow ( ), please give me specific advice on how to report the Investigation's result, as well as any other advice. But, since scum has many targets to choose from, there's probably a good chance Nanook will survive the Night! Then, of course I will defer to confirmed Witch on reporting....
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Post by eureka on Aug 20, 2010 7:47:23 GMT -5
Sigh. My computer won't talk to the internet. This is not my computer, this one will talk to the internet. Still, I will probably not be around much today, since my computer won't talk to the internet.
I don't know duvsie--I don't know if she's a good player or not.
I would be reluctant to assume that someone is or isn't a wolf based on their level of involvement in the Day threads. There may be some deliberate attempts to make not all the wolves behave the same, or they may have different situations with respect to posting from home vs. work or weird time zones . . . or just different personalities.
I don't think dead wolves can talk at Night, so things may not be all that lively in their Night threads.
Who knows?
I'd certainly think that looking for the Necromancer is the best usage of our investigative power, but have no opinion on which candidate is most likely.
Specific advice on reporting results? Don't report immediately, it seemed to cut down discussion on Day Two. If you get a Town result, don't report it unless the Townie comes under fire for some reason. Don't wait until the last minute to report either.
Good Luck.
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Post by Pleonast on Aug 20, 2010 10:15:51 GMT -5
Has there been a decision?
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Post by Nanook on Aug 20, 2010 11:28:00 GMT -5
We'll go with Pollux, since there isn't much to go on with him otherwise.
Ok in case I die, this is what I suggest.
Cabal result: Report it and request that he provide more info, IE blocking targets and what not. He might ignore you. Keep in mind with me dead, he'll have to die for Town to win.
Wolf: Once again, report it and ask for info. With one outted, they're probably more likely to be willing to share some things. Hopefully it will help narrow down who could be Undead.
Town: Eh, play it by ear. Based on Kat's result, we can trust that Town in this case actually means Town. If people start looking like they might vote for him, kinda like Idle did with sach Yesterday, report it and tell them to back off. Otherwise you can hold onto it. If you do hold onto it, make sure you reveal it before tomorrow Night ends.
Undead: Obviously you shout it from the rooftops and hope that it's the Necro.
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Post by eureka on Aug 20, 2010 11:40:03 GMT -5
Mental Guy has announced that he couldn't find Bufftabby's killer, so it must have been a Vampire.
I don't think this helps his credibility much, but it shouldn't hurt him too badly either.
Certainly doesn't affect our thoughts.
Investigating Pollux works for me.
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Post by Pleonast on Aug 20, 2010 11:45:08 GMT -5
Okay, investigating Pollux Oil.
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Post by septimus on Aug 20, 2010 13:20:09 GMT -5
Based on Kat's result, we can trust that Town in this case actually means Town. Did I miss something? Omega Wolf is still unknown, right?
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Post by Pleonast on Aug 20, 2010 14:15:54 GMT -5
Pollux Oil is Undead.
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