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Post by Pleonast on Aug 18, 2010 16:11:45 GMT -5
Choose an eater and an eatee.
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Post by BillMc on Aug 18, 2010 16:16:42 GMT -5
ok - I am confused. if it was a tied vote (my count said duvsie got lynched) then I really need to question why SisC unvoted Kat at the last minute - you should have just kept quiet...ah well.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Aug 18, 2010 16:22:38 GMT -5
Because I couldn't figure out my vote count, and I thought they were tied when I voted, unfortunately.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Aug 18, 2010 16:22:57 GMT -5
Or, rather, unvoted.
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Post by BillMc on Aug 18, 2010 16:26:46 GMT -5
So....
Town: 3 Witches (Nanook, Eureka, ??) 1 Vicar (?? do we believe Ed that it is Pinkies?) 3 Detectives (MentalGuy, ??, ??) 1 Coroner(MHaye) 1 Seer(Kat) 1 Scotsman (Idle) 3 Freemasons (bufftabby, Metallic Squink, Blockey) sachertorte (town)
Wolves 1 Alpha Wolf (Special Ed) 5 Werewolves (moodymitchy, storyteller, BillMc, Inner Stickler, duvsie 1 Omega Wolf (Sister)
Undead 2 Vampires (??, ??) 1 Necromancer (??) 1 Zombie (Hoopy, stanislaus, mhaye)
Cabal 2 Cabalists (stanislaus, ??)
Unknown people -Pollux Oil -Honest Moley -Captain Pinkies -nphase -FlyingCowOfDoom -redskeezix
So 3 of those 6 are Undead, 1 is Cabal,
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Post by Sister Coyote on Aug 18, 2010 16:30:38 GMT -5
LOL.
I just updated the "Secret Wolf Notes" with that information.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Aug 18, 2010 16:31:54 GMT -5
Does anyone know what that last run on story was about?
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Post by BillMc on Aug 18, 2010 16:59:30 GMT -5
Does anyone know what that last run on story was about? that's what is bugging me - Kat's "that's why I me too'd" comment doesnt make sense -- she can't have had a 4th investigation to know that Story is a wolf. The undead don't know each other - so I cant see Kat faking/coordinating those reveals - so she has to be the Seer Well either way, I guess Story will get investigated tonight. If they believe Duvsie is the last Cabal, then she may surive another Day; otherwise, she may as well be the killer tonight The correct move for the witches it to protect the Seer; but they may gamble on that and protect someone else. So for 2 out the pool of 6 unknowns our kill will fail So we either need to be damn sure that our target is the necromancer; or go after town. I dont think we can afford to play the no-kill game
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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 18, 2010 17:46:14 GMT -5
Here's what I'd like to do.
I'd like to claim. For real. In the game thread. Claim Wolf.
Then I'd like to announce, to the game thread, my target, and attempt to kill that player.
I'll target someone we believe has a good chance to be the Necromancer, but if we're wrong, we're wrong.
If I die and my target lives, the Town will lynch my target as a likely Vampire. If my target dies, then no harm done. If my target lives and so do I... well, I'm not sure how to interpret that one.
What does everyone think?
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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 18, 2010 17:48:10 GMT -5
PS - My goal will be, frankly, to create a lot of noise. I'd like them to forget about duvsie, and to forget about Sister C's late unvote, and to forget that Bill even exists. If I survive 'till morning, I'll talk and talk and talk and talk and drown the thread in ideas and suggestions and earnest attempts to "work together."
I think it will work.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Aug 18, 2010 19:36:00 GMT -5
Okay, story, that might work (though I don't know why my late unvote will draw any more attention than anyone else's -- I wasn't the only last-minute unvote on Kat).
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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 18, 2010 21:26:02 GMT -5
Bill? Duvs? I'm not going to do it unless everyone is on board.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 18, 2010 21:29:38 GMT -5
Oh, a few things:
I do want to mention that I am absolutely paying attention and following along. I have been lurking by design - lurking on purpose. Somebody referenced Mazalan recently and I realized that this game has a few things in common, and one of them is that talking in the game thread is not always particularly helpful. I have nothing to say, and that's anti-Town; but I'm anti-Town, so I'm OK with that :-)
However, I may have missed something: has septimus claimed Freemason at some point?
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Post by Sister Coyote on Aug 18, 2010 23:39:40 GMT -5
Oh -- I can think of one reason not to declare your target -- the witches could protect them if you do it too early.
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Post by BillMc on Aug 19, 2010 1:12:05 GMT -5
We thought septimus was the other mason based on the buffy handshake - but since Kat has said Blockey is a freemason, then septimus cannot be a free mason. SO he should be back in the list of unknowns.
Unknown people -Pollux Oil -Honest Moley -Captain Pinkies -nphase -FlyingCowOfDoom -redskeezix -septimus +sach (town)
So 3 of those 7 are Undead, 1 is Cabal, 1 vicar, 2 detectives, 1 witch
Well I have no objection to Story's idea - we need to try something different. Hopefully the Vicar is paying attention and with no lynch and only 2 kills, he should have blessed most of the non-zombie dead by now.
Who are you thinking of targeting Story?
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Post by Duvsie on Aug 19, 2010 2:39:16 GMT -5
I would think, judging by Kats reaction to me, that she will investigate me.
Sach cannot be the 3rd witch, first because Nanook wouldn't have stated that he'd forgotten about the omega investigating as town, plus sach also voted for eureka Day1, so at some point the witches have obv investigated Sach to know he's town. FCOD and moley aren't witches either as they also both voted for Eureka Day1.
I'd be inclined to believe that Septimus was the vicar. His play overall has just been too town, and I feel he's the kind of player that would just be gushing forth information if he could (if he was detective for example).
I like Storys plan, but I think the heat is going to be on him or I toMorrow no matter what. I think if we're going to put his gambit into play then I should be the one to do it. There's no guarantee that story will survive the night, they'll most likely leave me alive as I'm the obv choice for lynch tomorrow. So I'll perform the NK, however if Kat investigates me and Story declares himself wolf, we're both outed anyway. This way at least they're still not sure that story 'is' wolf (unless kat chooses to inv him instead) This is very frustrating.
I'd be happy to NK FCOD or pollux, who seems to have been doing 'just enough' to stay under the radar.
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Post by Duvsie on Aug 19, 2010 7:06:24 GMT -5
In fact I'm even more convinced than ever to go after Fcod, as that list is just WAY too telling to ignore.
Sister Coyote: 1) Warlock 2) Witchdoctor 3) Omega 4) Town. Merestil Haye: 1) Cabalist 2) Vampire 3) Coroner 4) Vigilante. Nanook: 1) Vig 2) Witch 3) Vampire 4) Mason. BillMc: 1) Witch 2) Witchdoctor 3) Vig 4) Omega. storyteller: 1) Undead 2) Cabal or Wolves. FCoD: 1) Vampire 2) Necromancer. Kat: 1) Vampire 2) Seer 3) Werewolf 4) Omega Wolf 5) Detective 6) Freemason 7) Warlock 8) Vicar 9) Necromancer. Special Ed: 1) Wolves 2) Cabal.
In fact the only one that hasn't remained true to form is Bill.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 19, 2010 7:24:44 GMT -5
Oh -- I can think of one reason not to declare your target -- the witches could protect them if you do it too early. The Witches won't, unless my target is the third Witch. And if it is, they might protect... but I don't intend to declare until about one minute before the deadline.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 19, 2010 7:32:16 GMT -5
I'm OK with FCoD.
I'm moderately sure that nphase is neither Vampire nor Necromancer. Oogy as I feel even bringing this up, her last time signing in to this board was 11 August. She has been entirely out of touch, enough so that she had to be replaced in the off-site board, due to real-life personal issues.
But the Zombies keep coming, and so do the Vamp kills.
I also think redskeezix is likely to be non-Scum. I know that he has expressed frustration with the fact that he never gets to play Town in these games - he's been either Scum or third party in something like 80% of his games. I'd bet that he specifically requested Town roles as all of his preferences, just to have one game as Town.
I'm OK with FCoD, Pinkies, whoever.
The problem, duvsie, is that chances are whichever of us does this, the other will get investigated. Given the late run on me and your status as a vote leader, Kat will want to investigate one of us. If you declare as a Wolf, she will probably investigate me; if I declare as a Wolf, she will probably investigate you.
So I'd suggest that whichever of us is going to do this does it at one minute to the deadline. I suggest the following post:
I am a Wolf. I will be targeting FCoD toNight. If, in the Morning, I am dead and he is not, then you may guess that he may well be a Vampire. If he dies, he's obviously not.
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Post by BillMc on Aug 19, 2010 8:08:57 GMT -5
The mob is pretty much convinced that Duvsie is Cabal or Wolf; while there is no actual evidence against Story. So I think Kat is more likely to investigate Story.
Town must lynch Undead tomorrow - so even with Duvsie and Story revealled, lynching them would be the wrong play for town.
Her comment to Sach may also indicate Sach is the 3rd witch (indeed after Nanook claimed he made a comment about he couldnt believe two witches had to claim - it seemed odd at the time) and that she was indicating to the witches that she was going to investigate Story.
So the plan relies on Story being here the minute before dawn. I would suggest putting the kill order in just now, just in case you dont make it just before dawn.
ALSO and it is a big ALSO
Sach has indicated that he wants the detectives to claim just before dawn, with who did the two kills Last Night. We will know that those two are the vamps - so then that narrows the pool as to who is the necromancer.
So you need to be around to change our kill order at the last minute in case FCOD is revealed as the killer.
I am ok with Story unilaterally changing the kill order at the last minute
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Post by Duvsie on Aug 19, 2010 9:08:04 GMT -5
well first of all, the detective results will come back null and void because vampire kills can´t be investigated by them and we didn't do a kill last night.
I'm not convinced at all that sach is the witch, he´d never have voted Eureka under those circumstances, especially not the 5th vote on her, no chance. Kats comment to sach actually indicates that he's the detective. She's investigated him, he then votes for story with no explanation and she's bound to think that story did a kill last night, hence the me too vote.
I agree on Red and from the Day 1 votes would seriously bet he's in fact the third witch. Nphase not being around may even be an indication that she is in fact the 2nd cabal, which may explain why there was all of a sudden 2 vampire kills last night instead of the previous one thats been happening.
Based on that, I think we have: septimus - vicar Red - witch Sach - detective blockey - freemason nphase - cabal
and we're looking for 1 necro, 1 detective and 2 vampires in FcoD pollux pinkies moley
Night finishes at some ridiculous hour my time, but I will make sure I'm around if we all agree to keep story hidden and I NK Fcod, or one of the others (I prefer Fcod though) and post the phrase that story came up with.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Aug 19, 2010 10:15:23 GMT -5
I'm inclined to think we should go after FCOD, and I agree with Bill regarding kill change at the last minute.
As far as story vs. duvsie -- I have no opinion on that. The last minute run on story worries me.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 19, 2010 10:23:31 GMT -5
Truthfully? It doesn't even matter. Duvsie and I are both going to be outed. There's really no way around it. It's about Sister C and Bill now. I'm not even sure it's possible for us to win.
I'm not very good at this game. I'll do whatever seems best. Day ends at 3:00PM EST tomorrow (Friday), right? I'll be around at 2:59, so I can execute the plan or not, depending on the consensus.
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Post by BillMc on Aug 19, 2010 11:31:26 GMT -5
Go with the plan - it doesn't matter if you are both outted - Town cannot afford to lynch you or the undead will win.
If both vamps kill tonight and the necromancer is successful, then there will 15 alive, and 7 undead - its for all intents and purposes lylo.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Aug 19, 2010 14:53:48 GMT -5
It's always possible for us to win. It might not be likely, but it's always possible.
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Post by BillMc on Aug 19, 2010 15:21:43 GMT -5
Ok, lets go with that plan then.
Story, put the order in to kill FCOD
Announce and/or change at the last minute at your discretion.
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Post by Duvsie on Aug 20, 2010 2:28:37 GMT -5
I'm good with that.
I'm good with claiming, or not, too. Just let me know.
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Post by Pleonast on Aug 20, 2010 10:14:52 GMT -5
Just to be clear, what is your official attacker and victim for ToNight?
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Post by Sister Coyote on Aug 20, 2010 10:45:57 GMT -5
What Bill Said. Presumably our acting Alpha will be in shortly to announce.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 20, 2010 11:32:38 GMT -5
storyteller0910 kills FlyingCowofDoom
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