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Post by Pleonast on Aug 20, 2010 14:11:06 GMT -5
The village had come to expect death and dismemberment each Night. But this Night seemed different some how. Maybe it was the extra dose of screaming. storyteller, Mister Blockey, BillMc and Kat! die! bufftabby is a Freemason and moodymitchy is a Werewolf. stanislaus is a Cabalist and eureka is a Witch. bufftabby becomes a Zombie. Welcome to Day Five. It will end on Wed Aug 25 at the latest. Edit: Stupid mod! You shouldn't have posted those roles yet! There's a slip every game.
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Post by Nanook on Aug 20, 2010 14:13:23 GMT -5
Wow. Guess someone blew their Secret Power.
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Post by Nanook on Aug 20, 2010 14:16:23 GMT -5
Oh and I have good news. We found at least one of the Undead.
Vote: Pollux Oil
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Post by BillMc on Aug 20, 2010 14:20:32 GMT -5
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Post by Red Skeezix on Aug 20, 2010 14:26:04 GMT -5
Pollux is undead?
vote: Pollux Oil
And since we're looking down the barrel of an easy day: vote: End Day
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Post by Sister Coyote on Aug 20, 2010 14:39:41 GMT -5
I have to admit: Vote: Pollux Oil
Although there's an easy target, I'm not convinced a quick End of Day is a good idea.
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Post by septimus on Aug 20, 2010 14:54:30 GMT -5
vote: Pollux Oil
vote: End Day
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Post by The Real FCOD on Aug 20, 2010 14:56:44 GMT -5
No brainer.
Vote: Pollux Oil Vote: End Day
IME once there's an obvious lynch target the discussion ends, so I see no reason to not vote for early Day end.
--FCOD
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Post by Sister Coyote on Aug 20, 2010 15:24:39 GMT -5
No brainer or not, I disagree with this statement so strongly it's not even funny:
IME once there's an obvious lynch target the discussion ends, so I see no reason to not vote for early Day end.
Non-Town benefits from cutting off discussion. Town benefits from all the discussion possible.
Now, if we were 24 hours into the Day with next to no discussion, I could get behind this. But this quick in the day, and this close to LyLo for the Undead to win? No way in hell I'm voting for EOD without more discussion.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Aug 20, 2010 15:26:43 GMT -5
Oh and I have good news. We found at least one of the Undead. Vote: Pollux Oil [/color][/quote] Oh what the hell. Since I can't do anything right: Vote: Pollux Oil [/b][/color] It looks like the Cabal are down, at least. If Idle is correct.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Aug 20, 2010 15:27:21 GMT -5
Oh and I have good news. We found at least one of the Undead. Vote: Pollux Oil [/color][/quote] Oh what the hell. Since I can't do anything right: Vote: Pollux Oil [/b][/color] It looks like the Cabal are down, at least. If Idle is correct.[/quote] Vote: Pollux Oil [/color] I hate my life.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Aug 20, 2010 15:30:02 GMT -5
I'm just saying I don't mind ending this Day early because I know from experience there will be little to no discussion. Just look earlier in this game for an example. If you don't want to end the Day early, don't vote for it.
--FCOD
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Post by Sister Coyote on Aug 20, 2010 15:30:16 GMT -5
In fact, FCOD, I'd be willing to bet we might find out from a little bit of discussion that you are one of the other undead roles. I went back over the last four Days, and I have to agree with MentalGuy's suspicion (posted in D4.82).
You start out in Day 1, twice mentioning that in the last game the Vampire special power is that they knew the Necromancers -- trying to handshake, maybe, on the off-chance that the Vamps know who the Necromancers are, again? Then, on Day 2, you had kind of limited posting, and indicated that you didn't notice that Ed's case against Kat was the same as yours -- which doesn't quite contradict your vote for Kat on D1.162 or your clarification that your vote was for defending both you and Idle on D1.207, but it does sort of suggest that you'd been skimming the thread. And that's rarely a good sign, IME.
On D4.49, you draw attention to the fact that there have only been two kills per Night [not anymore], trying to throw suspicion on Idle's list again. Then, after I came up with a few possibilities, you brought up Vampire on Vicar thwarted violence, which I had completely forgotten was a possibility.
All of that in conjunction with MentalGuy's argument, and maybe I can't convince anyone else, but I've sure convinced myself.
Vote: FCOD
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Post by Sister Coyote on Aug 20, 2010 15:32:25 GMT -5
Of course you don't mind ending the day early. It benefits you and maybe I should have kept my mouth shut so I don't inadvertently split the vote. In fact, I think everyone should be voting for Polluxo -- we can get you tomorrow.
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Post by sachertorte on Aug 20, 2010 15:43:23 GMT -5
It looks like Conspiracy has run its course. It was a nice run while it lasted. I'm not sure why the participation in the game died so terribly. So far in this game we have had zero lynches. That is, zero contested lynches. On Day One, Idle Thoughts insisted on being lynched. Frankly, that's probably the only reason we got a majority at all. Days Two and Three were investigation directed. Day Four was a NO LYNCH. Day Five is again investigation directed. Yawn. I can't fault investigation driven lynches, but the Day Four non-lynch was terrible. Not because Nanook missed the deadline, but because so many others simply were not playing at all. And what's up with Bill showing up right after the Day was over? Good thing he's dead. I would have totally been voting for him. (storyteller too). Vote: Pollux Oil Score one for whimsy! [oog] I don't think I will sign up for anymore games where mod-kill and substitutions are not possible. If so many people are not going to play, I don't see the point of my playing either. [/oog] No way in hell I'm voting for EOD without more discussion. WTF do you want to talk about? Its fine to discuss things, but the stance that you want more discussion without offering what the discussion could or should be is empty.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Aug 20, 2010 16:01:14 GMT -5
Wow, that may be the thinnest argument against me I've seen.
I played a Vampire last time, so I had first hand knowledge of the secret power from last time. I was trying to correct misconceptions with correct information, nothing more.
I've been over the whole "my case for Kat!" debacle before, I'm not going to go over it again. Either you believe me or you don't.
Your last point is... that I thought of a way to explain why we had only two kills per Night that you did not? That makes no sense to me.
Did I somewhere say, "NOBODY DISCUSS ANYTHING! WE NEED TO END THE DAY EARLY!"? Nope, I just indicated that I had nothing to discuss and would be OK with the Day ending. Votes can be rescinded, so if discussion had started I could have removed my vote to end early. You are blowing it WAY out of proportion. Besides, two people voted to end the Day early before me, where's your suspicion of septimus and skeezix?
--FCOD
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Post by Sister Coyote on Aug 20, 2010 16:08:03 GMT -5
You also indicated that because there was an "obvious" target there would be no further discussion -- which might happen, sure but I'd rather wait until no further discussion actually happened. You didn't say anything about only you having nothing else to discuss.
I'm not saying that I'm not suspicious of Skeezix and septimus. I am. But I have a case on you -- and despite your rebuttal it's not broken into individual actions but the sum total of all those actions this game.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Aug 20, 2010 16:09:01 GMT -5
WTF do you want to talk about? Its fine to discuss things, but the stance that you want more discussion without offering what the discussion could or should be is empty. Sue me. I was building my case.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Aug 20, 2010 16:21:19 GMT -5
Sucks coming in here to find a massacre has happened the Night before. Sucks even more to learn I wasn't among them. Sucks not so much to learn we have an Undead person found, though.
Vote Pollux Oil Vote End Day Why are you singling FCoD out, SisterCoyote? A bunch of others voted to end Day too, even before him. The vote is see-through (due to how thin it is) at best.
Believe me, I've tried to get people to talk in this game. Nobody cares. Nobody is interested. I don't know if it's the game or the fact that it's at my boards. Maybe it's a combination of the two. Or maybe it's neither and it's something as simple as there were so many scum in this game (at the beginning: about 12 total) and they all shut up to stop any advancement in discussion. Only thing is...it hasn't mattered since the investigations have been so successful. So I've just come to terms with the fact it's going to be a quieter game.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Aug 20, 2010 16:51:13 GMT -5
I was already building the case on FCOD, thin as it may or may not be. I was twigged by MentalGuy's post toward the end of Day 4, because I realized something had been bothering me about FCOD's play, and then FCOD posted toDay in a way that would suggest that no one was going to talk so why bother. Maybe I'm wrong. But I don't think I am.
Skeezix' comment rubbed me the wrong way, yes, which I addressed in my post immediately following his. But the rest of his play hasn't felt anti-Town to me.
Septimus -- not much there to comment on, really; obviously he didn't feel anything needed discussing, but that's different than saying "no one's going to discuss anything anyway."
Yeah, participation has seemed low. Part of that may be summertime. Part of that may be investigations coming up with "good" results. But we're coming down to the wire on this one.
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Post by Gir! on Aug 20, 2010 17:35:51 GMT -5
[fake surprise]Wow. I didn't see that coming.[/fs]
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Post by Nanook on Aug 20, 2010 17:41:36 GMT -5
Hey Sis? I suggest you go look at the post I made right before Dawn before you dig yourself into a hole.
Vote: End Day
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Post by septimus on Aug 20, 2010 17:46:24 GMT -5
Septimus -- not much there to comment on, really; obviously he didn't feel anything needed discussing, but that's different than saying "no one's going to discuss anything anyway." We've had only one Day with a contested Lynch; it lasted 120 hours and ended in a ridiculous closing half-hour, exposing Kat! and getting No Lynch to boot. I do not think the problem was that Day being too short. I may vote "End Day" early toMorrow, even if there's no obvious Lynch candidate. sachertorte implied that he was happy to lynch three of the four Lynch finalists, and offered to let Nanook pick but then didn't vote for Nanook's candidate at all. Finally, in panic about possible No Lynch, he voted for the only one he didn't want to Lynch. Idle Thoughts reminded silent, with vote on no contender, until the final minutes; for all we knew he was bored and off-line. Perhaps he intended to swoop in as last-minute hero. Instead his failure to vote contributed to the No Lynch panic. Sorry to single out just two players. Others blundered, including myself. As a beginner, my main goal is to learn the tactics and strategy of Mafia. @ sachertorte and idle : Your failures to lynch-vote seem wrong to me. What am I overlooking?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Aug 20, 2010 17:53:38 GMT -5
Idle Thoughts reminded silent, with vote on no contender, until the final minutes; for all we knew he was bored and off-line. Perhaps he intended to swoop in as last-minute hero. Instead his failure to vote contributed to the No Lynch panic. What the hell are you talking about? I voted right here, on this page: www.idlemafia.com/index.cgi?board=consp4&action=display&thread=1438&page=5...in reply 124. I had gotten on about twenty minutes before Day 4 ended. I didn't feel right about voting for her but it was moot since A. She already had the needed number of votes and B. Any lynch is better than no lynch, IMO. But then Kat role claimed and I made my post 124 up there, voting for the person in second place with votes. So I'll kindly not have you spread false info, thanks. I was in no way to blame for the no-lynch. I voted, as you can clearly see. If you're going to get on someone's back about causing the no lynch that Day, I suggest you take it up with the now dead BillMc, who seemed to see it fit to go get a cup of coffee minutes before Day ended.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Aug 20, 2010 17:55:01 GMT -5
PS: Way to show you're actually paying attention to the game, Sept. You been skimming over most the posts in this game, have you?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Aug 20, 2010 17:58:51 GMT -5
PSS: And yes, I see you're saying "Until the final minutes"...but two things: 1. You still seemed to imply I was one at fault for creating the no-lynch...which is ripe BS and 2. This is what comes from people not freaking talking during the Day and then having a mad rush the final few minutes. Maybe if people had been voting and unvoting all that time we wouldn't have been scrambling to try to get the needed number. Seriously, there's no need for mad scrambles. There was plenty of time during the Day to get votes in and lynch someone. I've been the one trying to get people to talk, in case you've forgotten...so it's just very rich that you'd try to pin the "no lynch" fault partly on me. You can blow that reasoning out your ass. I mean that in the most light hearted way, by the way.
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Post by septimus on Aug 20, 2010 18:11:40 GMT -5
Idle Thoughts reminded silent, with vote on no contender, until the final minutes; for all we knew he was bored and off-line. Perhaps he intended to swoop in as last-minute hero. Instead his failure to vote contributed to the No Lynch panic. What the hell are you talking about? I voted ...in reply 124. So I'll kindly not have you spread false info, thanks. I was in no way to blame for the no-lynch. I've underlined the part of my post you overlooked. Yes, you voted in reply 124 which has a time-stamp Two minutes before the scheduled Dusk! Obviously I should have connected the dots more carefully in my previous message. If you were on-line 20 minutes before Dusk, you had a chance to join sachertorte (reply 107) in duvsie lynch, before redskeexiz (reply 108) started the panic voting against Kat. If you had voted duvsie, even 20 minutes before Dusk, she would have nine votes; presumably neither the Kat! claim nor the No Lynch would have happened. Of course you might have been indifferent between these two, but there were two other contenders whose bandwagons you could have joined. Instead, three people (redskeezix, sachertorte, Nanook) who were not anti-Kat joined the Kat! bandwagon just to avert No Lynch.
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Post by septimus on Aug 20, 2010 18:23:10 GMT -5
Sorry to single out just two players. Others blundered, including myself. I'm sorry you took offense, Idle. I mentioned two players who I think are very strong players. My tactic of voting all scum suspects in contention was, I think, a prudent way to protect against No Lynch. My blunder was suspecting that Kat! was scum. Nanook also blundered, IMO: There was no reason to Unvote Duvsie when he joined the Kat! bandwagon.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Aug 20, 2010 18:31:16 GMT -5
You suck Nanook! Well actually I suck, mwahaha. I'm glad I chose to kill Kat! over you, though, I figured you'd protect yourself. One less investigator for my undead compatriots.
And yeah, don't bother investigating Kat, Detectives. I did it. Find out how that extra kill got out! I'm guessing it was one of the Cabal.
I mean, I'm not the Necromancer, so I think you guys should really think about what you're doing here. Just sayin'.
Hey Idle, if you let me live, I'll kill you tonight! I promise! Pinky swear, even!
Vote Nanook Vote Idle Thoughts Vote Honest Moley
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Aug 20, 2010 18:44:38 GMT -5
What the hell are you talking about? I voted ...in reply 124. So I'll kindly not have you spread false info, thanks. I was in no way to blame for the no-lynch. I've underlined the part of my post you overlooked. And I say that it's still BS. I wasn't at fault for the people voting in a mad rush at the end. Everyone who waited until the last minute to start talking and voting are the ones at fault...which is just about everyone. My vote was cast all the way back on the first day of Day Four, not at the last minute. Again, maybe if people wouldn't wait until the 11th hour to start a huge melee of votes, things like that wouldn't happen. Sorry, you're spinning the times and events. Why, I don't know...maybe to try to put a false smudge on me. Inner Stickler tried to do that too on Day Two. What really happened, without spin, was this (put in the simplest way possible so you get it): 1. I got on at about 1:43PM my time (just in time to see Sach make his post #109 where he votes for Kat). 2. I figure Kat will be the one to get lynched since she was only about 1 vote away from being lynched at that time. Me, I don't plan to vote for Kat, however, I plan to vote for Duvsie. 3. I press reply to topic. 4. I begin composing my post #113. 5. I finish composing it and press reply, planning to then put my vote for Duvsie alone in the very next post 6. Since my reply, many more posts were made...including Kat's claim...which I hadn't yet seen as of posting my reply #113. 7. I read that, along with all the other posts made since then, and made my post #124, voting for Duvsie as I planned and hoping like hell everyone else can in time, too. As you can see, it didn't contribute to The Great Scramble at all. The Great Scramble was already going on at that point. The Great Scramble was caused, MOSTLY, by everyone waiting until the last minute to vote for Kat and Kat having to claim mere minutes before the end of Day, resulting in Another Great Scramble to unvote her and vote Duvsie. I did my part. The ones not able to get it in time were Nanook and BillMc who both left for various reasons. So no, my voting neither created or disallowed The Great Scrambles 1 and 2. And your spinning it so it does look like the fault of specific members is very suspicious. Of course you might have been indifferent between these two, but there were two other contenders whose bandwagons you could have joined. Instead, three people (redskeezix, sachertorte, Nanook) who were not anti-Kat joined the Kat! bandwagon just to avert No Lynch.[/quote]
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