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Post by Idle Thoughts on Aug 20, 2010 18:48:14 GMT -5
Sorry to single out just two players. Others blundered, including myself. I'm sorry you took offense, Idle. I mentioned two players who I think are very strong players. Don't be (sorry, that is). No offense taken. I know it's just the game. Sometimes I think I come off sounding harsher than I intended. ;D I think it's just having been weathered by the game for so long, Like I said above...--I-- don't think it was the fault of any one player. I think it was just the circumstances caused by many things.....most everyone waiting until the last minute to vote, Kat having to claim with only 9 minutes left in the game, everyone having to switch votes or vote again, etc. It was a collective fault, not just one. I guess that's what I was trying to point out and what I, if anything, took issue with. Issue, yeah...offense? Never. : )
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Aug 20, 2010 18:57:29 GMT -5
Anyway, let's see if MentalGuy actually remembered to use his power this time...
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Post by Sister Coyote on Aug 20, 2010 18:59:56 GMT -5
Hey Sis? I suggest you go look at the post I made right before Dawn before you dig yourself into a hole. Well, that explains why I didn't think septimus' EOD vote was worthy of comment. Sheesh. Thank you for reminding me.
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Post by septimus on Aug 20, 2010 20:19:54 GMT -5
And I say that it's still BS. I wasn't at fault for the people voting in a mad rush at the end. Everyone who waited until the last minute to start talking and voting are the ones at fault...which is just about everyone. My vote was cast all the way back on the first day of Day Four, not at the last minute.And your spinning it so it does look like the fault of specific members is very suspicious. I don't want to drag out this "debate" but let me answer your most recent. As I already said, twice, several were to blame, including myself. I singled you out as an example because you're known Town and a good player. As for your "vote being cast way back in the first day" you refer to a more-or-less meaningless vote against sachertorte, who was known to be Town (or Omega Wolf). Since he had a grand total of 1 vote (yours), that vote is irrelevant to the discussion. There were four serious contenders for lynch; your first vote on any of these was at 2 minutes before deadline. I agree that players "waiting until the last minute" to vote were the problem. Where we seem to differ is that, IMO, people who waited until the second-to-last minute to vote, also contributed to the problem. I was surprised by your suspicion that I've been only skimming the posts. I've devoted quite a few hours to the game; points I've missed are due to incompetence, not apathy. The fact you find me "suspicious" makes me wonder if you're paying attention. I'm the third Witch. I didn't want Nanook to expose me, but he did; I've been writing even more candidly than usual for that reason.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Aug 20, 2010 20:29:07 GMT -5
As for your "vote being cast way back in the first day" you refer to a more-or-less meaningless vote against sachertorte, who was known to be Town (or Omega Wolf). Since he had a grand total of 1 vote (yours), that vote is irrelevant to the discussion. There were four serious contenders for lynch; your first vote on any of these was at 2 minutes before deadline. I agree that players "waiting until the last minute" to vote were the problem. Where we seem to differ is that, IMO, people who waited until the second-to-last minute to vote, also contributed to the problem. I see and understand your point. MY point (which you don't seem to be getting) is the fact that a lot of people were forced to vote second-to-last minute due to Kat claiming second-to-last minute.. Oh, sure, it wasn't LITERALLY second-to-last minute, but it was in the last nine minutes left of Day. Not a whole lot of time to think things out and come up with a new plan.... ..which brings me to the secondary cause: Most of the Kat votes only came on the last day of Day Four as well. Talk about last minute voting! So all of those quick scrambling votes lead to the role claim, which, in turn, lead to another quick scrambling unvotes/votes. So again, you shouldn't give any examples, IMO. The whole vote melee was brought upon by circumstances not really specific to anyone...but rather to ALL. Sorry, I wasn't being serious with that post, it was more or less just a fun poking at you. I am serious with all the above stuff before this quote though. Really, I think it's just different opinions based on different POV. Mine differs from yours *shrugs*
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Post by septimus on Aug 20, 2010 21:00:37 GMT -5
[MY point (which you don't seem to be getting) is the fact that a lot of people were forced to vote second-to-last minute due to Kat claiming second-to-last minute.. Oh, I got that long before the font enlargement. I guess I should have connected every single dot for you to start with. If you need this in a large font, can you just add the "size="s for me? Here's what happened: (1) No one had nine votes; I'll guess several us who were attentive were worried about No Lynch. (2) sachertorte finally up'ed duvsie to 8 votes 30 minutes to deadline. (3) eleven minutes passed. worry about No Lynch increased. some players (not to mention any names) had no votes at all on any frontrunner, were not posting, and might have been off-line. (4) At 19 minutes to deadline, redskeezix suggested lynching Kat! as the only apparent sure-fire way to avoid No Lynch. (5) sachertorte voted Kat, writing "This totally sucks. I like Kat." Nanook voted Kat writing "sigh." In my opinion these were not attempts to force Kat to claim; rather they were desperate moves to avoid No Lynch. (6) ... (Well, judging from your message, you did manage to notice what happened next, even though you seem oblivious to (1)-(5).) Since you were busy with RL and could arrive only in time to witness (6), I apologize, though still think it would have been prudent to make some meaningful Lynch vote(s) much earlier. Where we seem to differ is that I view (6) as the unfortunate consequence of (1), (2), (3), (4) and (5) -- especially (1) -- while you seem to insist on viewing (6) in isolation.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Aug 20, 2010 21:01:52 GMT -5
You suck Nanook! Well actually I suck, mwahaha. I'm glad I chose to kill Kat! over you, though, I figured you'd protect yourself. One less investigator for my undead compatriots. And yeah, don't bother investigating Kat, Detectives. I did it. Find out how that extra kill got out! I'm guessing it was one of the Cabal. I mean, I'm not the Necromancer, so I think you guys should really think about what you're doing here. Just sayin'. Hey Idle, if you let me live, I'll kill you tonight! I promise! Pinky swear, even! Vote Nanook Vote Idle Thoughts Vote Honest MoleyYAY! I was thinking I would NEVER get a vote this game. Hell, even Spec. Ed voted twelve people and not me. It was starting to get ridiculous. And talking of which... Vote Sister Coyote Vote Septimus Vote Idle Thoughts Vote Sachertorte Vote BillMC Vote Barack Obama Vote Nanook Vote Honest Moley Vote Flying Cod of Doom Vote Zombie Everybody Vote whoever else I've somehow managed to miss Vote End Day
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Post by Red Skeezix on Aug 20, 2010 21:17:44 GMT -5
You suck Nanook! Well actually I suck, mwahaha. I'm glad I chose to kill Kat! over you, though, I figured you'd protect yourself. One less investigator for my undead compatriots. And yeah, don't bother investigating Kat, Detectives. I did it. Find out how that extra kill got out! I'm guessing it was one of the Cabal. I mean, I'm not the Necromancer, so I think you guys should really think about what you're doing here. Just sayin'. Hey Idle, if you let me live, I'll kill you tonight! I promise! Pinky swear, even! Vote Nanook Vote Idle Thoughts Vote Honest MoleyYAY! I was thinking I would NEVER get a vote this game. Hell, even Spec. Ed voted twelve people and not me. It was starting to get ridiculous. And talking of which... Vote Sister Coyote Vote Septimus Vote Idle Thoughts Vote Sachertorte Vote BillMC Vote Barack Obama Vote Nanook Vote Honest Moley Vote Flying Cod of Doom Vote Zombie Everybody Vote whoever else I've somehow managed to miss Vote End DayUm, what is all that for?
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Post by Holy Moley! on Aug 20, 2010 21:22:12 GMT -5
Honestly Red, why the hell not? It's not going to change anything. Sorry for missing you out by the way.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Aug 20, 2010 22:04:11 GMT -5
Since you were busy with RL and could arrive only in time to witness (6), I apologize, though still think it would have been prudent to make some meaningful Lynch vote(s) much earlier. And I agree with you. Only thing is, the last post that had been made (before I left, not coming back until the end of Day) was post number 64 (by storyteller). At that time, nobody was close to a lynch at all. The highest was Duvsie, so far as I can tell (with 2 or 3 votes)......and I would have been fine voting for her the next time I got on if she had any more (which I did). So I guess I just fail to see what I could have done differently or how it contributed to the last minute melee any more than anyone else's actions given the circumstances. Sure, I suppose I could have also voted Duvsie, back when post 64 was the last post in Day Four, but I was already voting for who I thought was that Day's best lynch. So were you (just MentalGuy). Anyway, we're just going to have to agree to disagree. You think I helped contribute to the last minute voting frenzy. I don't think I did at all. We disagree. C'est la vie.
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Post by MentalGuy on Aug 20, 2010 23:01:27 GMT -5
Anyway, let's see if MentalGuy actually remembered to use his power this time... I made this post once, but it seems to have disappeared. If you read the Night thread, you know I used my power, but was unsuccessful in determining who killed BuffTabby. I am inquiring as to who killed Storyteller toDay.
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Post by MentalGuy on Aug 20, 2010 23:03:49 GMT -5
Oh, yeah.
Vote: Pollux Oil
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Post by Nanook on Aug 20, 2010 23:11:55 GMT -5
Seriously, drop the accusations. The only people fighting about it are confirmed Town, so there's nothing to be found there.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Aug 21, 2010 0:52:09 GMT -5
You also indicated that because there was an "obvious" target there would be no further discussion -- which might happen, sure but I'd rather wait until no further discussion actually happened. You didn't say anything about only you having nothing else to discuss. You put the word "obvious" in quotes which suggests that you think that I made it seem the target was obvious when it was not. Are you suggesting that Pollux Oil isn't the obvious target? What I said was, "IME once there's an obvious lynch target the discussion ends, so I see no reason to not vote for early Day end." I said nothing about only me having nothing else to discuss because I couldn't very well talk about what other people have to discuss, could I? --FCOD
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Post by Duvsie on Aug 21, 2010 10:40:34 GMT -5
You suck Nanook! Well actually I suck, mwahaha. I'm glad I chose to kill Kat! over you, though, I figured you'd protect yourself. One less investigator for my undead compatriots. And yeah, don't bother investigating Kat, Detectives. I did it. Find out how that extra kill got out! I'm guessing it was one of the Cabal. I mean, I'm not the Necromancer, so I think you guys should really think about what you're doing here. Just sayin'. Hey Idle, if you let me live, I'll kill you tonight! I promise! Pinky swear, even! Vote Nanook Vote Idle Thoughts Vote Honest MoleyYAY! I was thinking I would NEVER get a vote this game. Hell, even Spec. Ed voted twelve people and not me. It was starting to get ridiculous. And talking of which... Vote Sister Coyote Vote Septimus Vote Idle Thoughts Vote Sachertorte Vote BillMC Vote Barack Obama Vote Nanook Vote Honest Moley Vote Flying Cod of Doom Vote Zombie Everybody Vote whoever else I've somehow managed to miss Vote End Daywhat's up with that. You're voting for a whole heap of people, none of which include the investigated undead of pollux oil? Vote: pollux Vote: end day I see no reason to prolong yet another forgone conclusion.
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Post by Red Skeezix on Aug 21, 2010 11:57:50 GMT -5
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Post by sachertorte on Aug 21, 2010 13:01:18 GMT -5
As a beginner, my main goal is to learn the tactics and strategy of Mafia. @ sachertorte and idle : Your failures to lynch-vote seem wrong to me. What am I overlooking? What the hell are you talking about? I voted for duvsie AND Kat! to push a lynch. I thought the duvsie target was ridiculous which is why I pushed Nanook to pick a random target and we could roll the dice on that. The entire case against duvsie was Cabal oriented! And quite frankly I did know what I was doing. I was watching the thread to see if we could get traction on someone, always ready to place the needed votes to get duvsie lynched if needed -- WHICH I DID. Furthermore, Idle Thoughts put his vote on duvsie too. The reason this game sucks so bad is that we have several players not playing at all. A couple non-participating/ dropped out Townies and scum can easily sit back and watch the no-lynch. Look at the vote record. Both Idle Thoughts and I have our votes on duvsie. I don't see how you can sit there and complain. What else did you want me to do? Bottom line is majority to lynch is a sucky mechanism, especially when interest in the game wanes. There's nothing more I can do about it. I happened to be watching the end of the day, and by chance my 5:00 got pushed back a few minutes. I can't guarantee that type of oversight every week.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Aug 21, 2010 14:46:26 GMT -5
YAY! I was thinking I would NEVER get a vote this game. Hell, even Spec. Ed voted twelve people and not me. It was starting to get ridiculous. And talking of which... Vote Sister Coyote Vote Septimus Vote Idle Thoughts Vote Sachertorte Vote BillMC Vote Barack Obama Vote Nanook Vote Honest Moley Vote Flying Cod of Doom Vote Zombie Everybody Vote whoever else I've somehow managed to miss Vote End Daywhat's up with that. You're voting for a whole heap of people, none of which include the investigated undead of pollux oil? Vote: pollux [/color] Vote: end day [/color] I see no reason to prolong yet another forgone conclusion.[/quote] Actually I voted Pollux early on, as Red has pointed out. But Obama is the one I really feel.
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Post by septimus on Aug 21, 2010 21:34:35 GMT -5
What the hell are you talking about? Let me apologize to both sachertorte and Idle. I was dismayed by the Day 4 result which, as you both point out, was the fault mainly of low participation. Yesterday I was especially irritible due to lack of sleep. (I'm playing Mafia partly in an effort to improve my poor communication skills and am afraid I flunked dramatically yesterday. )
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Aug 22, 2010 0:38:43 GMT -5
It's okay!
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Post by septimus on Aug 22, 2010 9:20:59 GMT -5
Is it appropriate for Town Detectives to agree on whose murders to investigate? As a Townie who is not a Detective may I suggest?
If your number in the roster is 1-11 investigate storyteller's death. If your number in the roster is 12-16 investigate BillMc's death. If your number in the roster is 17-21 investigate Kat!'s death. If your number in the roster is 22-25 investigate Mr. Blockey's death.
The number assignments I've offered here are somewhat (but not completely) arbitrary. Discussion?
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Post by MentalGuy on Aug 23, 2010 9:01:32 GMT -5
Well, I have already said whose death I am investigating.
Not that it matters now, but my vote for Pollux is not showing up in the vote count.
Also
Vote: End Day
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Post by Sister Coyote on Aug 23, 2010 9:32:37 GMT -5
Vote: End Day
Now that we've had some discussion.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Aug 23, 2010 11:08:17 GMT -5
UNDEAD SPECIAL POWER ACTIVATE! Vote Day Goes On ForeverMuahaha. Now you can never lynch me. NEVER!
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