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Sept 23, 2010 20:34:11 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Sept 23, 2010 20:34:11 GMT -5
<font style="font-size: 12px;"> I understand you. It would have been more helpful if you were this clear when you were actually casting the votes rather than now, a Day later. I mean, I can piece it together reading your posts, but it's not terribly clear. Fair enough; duly noted. Lack of clarity during the vote switch to Fangirl I blame on the fact that I was extremely pressed for time, but otherwise I'll try to be clearer. <font style="font-size: 12px;">@batman & Zed: What kind of cops are you guys? Mostly this is directed at Zedd, from Bat's claim, I was assuming that he's a regular cop (learns alignment). Zedd has claimed "weak cop" which to me is a "weak claim". There is 4 common types of cops (excluding the ones that produce nonsense results) 1. Alignment Cop 2. Role Cop 3. Name Cop 4. Mad Bomber Cop (can check if someone has been tagged or not). We can pretty much scratch #3 off the list since everyone's name is known, and #4 is uncommon, but I had that role in the mini version of this game so I cant rule it out. 1 isn't a weak cop. So We're pretty much left 2 or 4. So if you guys since you've felt the impetus to claim, could unmuddy the waters, that'd be fantastic. Based on his claim, it seems like he either learns if the target is a threat to town (I assume that includes scum and any win-stealing parties), or he learns what powers the target possesses. So, sounds like a cross between a semi-weak #1, and a #2. Do you have a link to that? I must have missed where that info was exposed.
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Sept 23, 2010 20:36:12 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on Sept 23, 2010 20:36:12 GMT -5
1. Alignment Cop 2. Role Cop 3. Name Cop 4. Mad Bomber Cop (can check if someone has been tagged or not). I explained mine in my claim post. I am a weak cop and have a choice of investigation type. Though "threat to Town" can mean a lot. I mean, a town aligned vigilante can be threatening to Town, even if aligned with Town.
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Sept 23, 2010 20:37:41 GMT -5
Post by Dirx on Sept 23, 2010 20:37:41 GMT -5
<font style="font-size: 12px;">Do you have a link to that? I must have missed where that info was exposed. His claim post: <font style="font-size: 12px;">Oh, sweet merciful crap. I missed something. Batman claims Town cop? I counterclaim him immediately. I'm a Town detective, though weak. I read the clouds to determine if someone is a threat to Town or not OR I learn what their powers are. Unvote MarcelVote Batman
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Sept 23, 2010 20:37:41 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Sept 23, 2010 20:37:41 GMT -5
Heh, never mind: i found it it was right below the claim . "I read the clouds to determine if someone is a threat to Town or not OR I learn what their powers are." Yeah: unvote ColumboTown doesn't care about what powers a person has, that's a role cop, and is more often than not a scum role. And a "threat to town"? what does that even mean? vote Zedd
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Sept 23, 2010 20:37:58 GMT -5
Post by septimus on Sept 23, 2010 20:37:58 GMT -5
Let me address the charges against me; then it's off to bed! First, I didn't Vote anyone; I expressed frustration that my Lynch candidates keep claiming Town! ;D I almost voted Batman, just before he claimed. I was suspicious of Zed for lurking, and then he claimed. Thus I can't find a Lynch candidate I like, but I wanted to participate; hence my "thinking out loud" post. This is a weird post - "I don't want to vote for a claimed Townie": Why (tempted to vote) Rajesh over Puft? This one vigilante must go doesn't sit well with me. With all the claims emerging, I'd not be surprised if we start to see votes on claimants. Especially since the duplications (we have 2 dicks already, why not three?) will make it easy for scum to claim. If we do have to vote for a claimant, a Vig role may be logical. If one of the claimed Vigs were another kind of Killer, wouldn't the early claim be logical, at least if they'd somehow deduced the game has many roles? After all, the cop(s) are going to identify him as Killer, he might as well claim he's a Town killer. There are two reasons I'm more inclined to Lynch Raj than Puff if it does come to the point where lynching a claimed Vig seems right. (1) as I said, the Compulsory Vig is better: more kills, and less opportunity for a fake Vig to pretend. (2) Raj made me very suspicious with his weak vote against Iskaral in Day 1. (Iskaral's "slip" was simply a slop or short-cut which, IMO, a scum would be less likely to make than a townie.) BTW, I didn't say "one Vig must go." I'm suggesting that (1) if one Vig is fake (unlikely or I'd have voted Raj long ago), Lynching him now would be very high priority, and (2) keeping 2 Town Vigs isn't much better than keeping 1, especially since one Vig might well kill the other anyway as soon as it's Night. If we do decide to Lynch a Vig, it's important to pick the one most likely to be scum, and I'm open to suggestion on that. But if we want to kill a Vig and "all other things are equal" (i.e. they seem equally likely to be scum), keeping the Compulsory Vig is best.
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Sept 23, 2010 20:38:12 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Sept 23, 2010 20:38:12 GMT -5
Is it even within the realm of possibility that we could all be Town? I don't know how we'd determine a 'winner', but I'm starting to believe that anything could be true... if you ever watched st. elsewhere then there you go. and with this crowd that might actually be considered normal. hang in there puffyburby.
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Sept 23, 2010 20:38:19 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Sept 23, 2010 20:38:19 GMT -5
Heh, never mind: i found it it was right below the claim . "I read the clouds to determine if someone is a threat to Town or not OR I learn what their powers are." Yeah: unvote ColumboTown doesn't care about what powers a person has, that's a role cop, and is more often than not a scum role. And a "threat to town"? what does that even mean? vote ZeddOops coding fail. vote Zedd
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Sept 23, 2010 20:38:20 GMT -5
Post by Dirx on Sept 23, 2010 20:38:20 GMT -5
This board seriously needs a better preview function.
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Sept 23, 2010 20:40:24 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Sept 23, 2010 20:40:24 GMT -5
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Sept 23, 2010 20:57:13 GMT -5
Post by Dirx on Sept 23, 2010 20:57:13 GMT -5
Regarding the extra vote from Yesterday and Today...
I was reminded about the House M.D. game, where the character House couldn't vote publicly, but could secretly place his vote. I've looked at the list of non-voters for this game, and here's what I come up with:
Non-voters at the end of Day 1: Homicidal Maniac, Joe Bauers (now Elizabeth Bathory), Twilight Fangirl, Meeko, La Duquesa De Alba (now The Narrator)
Non-voters as of right now, Day 2: Death of Rats, Nakor, Elizabeth Bathory, Dr. Strangelove, Dexter Morgan, Iskaral Pust, The Narrator, Gir
The only match between the lists is Elizabeth Bathory (formerly Joe Bauers). But her last post Today came before the rest of us knew Pinkies was definitely back in game, much less under the name The Narrator. So it seems unlikely that the vote on him is coming from Elizabeth, unless she knew earlier, or she's lurking like a mofo.
So that leads me to think that the vote is an extra, additional vote that a player has. Or, it's a mod-vote for the least-talkative player, maybe.
(When I asked for the vote-count earlier Today, I was hoping to get one then and see if any extra votes turned up. The earlier the better. Sadly, no count came until much later...)
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Sept 23, 2010 21:18:51 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Sept 23, 2010 21:18:51 GMT -5
Do we need this info out there? Why the fishing? the fishing? perhaps fishing with dynamite. There's not a whole lot of subtlety there now is there? Mostly because we have a "counterclaim" to a "claim" i'd like more information to effectively evaluate the claims. They've both claimed a power which I presume is similar, but in reality all we have is "town cop" and "town cop although weak" I can assume a lot, but at this point, i'd like more info. I guess I can believe that there are two types of cops, and two vigs...hell, two of everything is possible. I just don't want scum to get specifics if it's unnecessary.
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Sept 23, 2010 21:26:55 GMT -5
Post by Captain Pinkies on Sept 23, 2010 21:26:55 GMT -5
Let me address the charges against me; then it's off to bed! First, I didn't Vote anyone; I expressed frustration that my Lynch candidates keep claiming Town! ;D I almost voted Batman, just before he claimed. I was suspicious of Zed for lurking, and then he claimed. Thus I can't find a Lynch candidate I like, but I wanted to participate; hence my "thinking out loud" post. This is a weird post - "I don't want to vote for a claimed Townie": Why (tempted to vote) Rajesh over Puft? This one vigilante must go doesn't sit well with me. With all the claims emerging, I'd not be surprised if we start to see votes on claimants. Especially since the duplications (we have 2 dicks already, why not three?) will make it easy for scum to claim. If we do have to vote for a claimant, a Vig role may be logical. If one of the claimed Vigs were another kind of Killer, wouldn't the early claim be logical, at least if they'd somehow deduced the game has many roles? After all, the cop(s) are going to identify him as Killer, he might as well claim he's a Town killer. There are two reasons I'm more inclined to Lynch Raj than Puff if it does come to the point where lynching a claimed Vig seems right. (1) as I said, the Compulsory Vig is better: more kills, and less opportunity for a fake Vig to pretend. (2) Raj made me very suspicious with his weak vote against Iskaral in Day 1. (Iskaral's "slip" was simply a slop or short-cut which, IMO, a scum would be less likely to make than a townie.) BTW, I didn't say "one Vig must go." I'm suggesting that (1) if one Vig is fake (unlikely or I'd have voted Raj long ago), Lynching him now would be very high priority, and (2) keeping 2 Town Vigs isn't much better than keeping 1, especially since one Vig might well kill the other anyway as soon as it's Night. If we do decide to Lynch a Vig, it's important to pick the one most likely to be scum, and I'm open to suggestion on that. But if we want to kill a Vig and "all other things are equal" (i.e. they seem equally likely to be scum), keeping the Compulsory Vig is best. Who do you see as the claimed "dicks"?
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Sept 23, 2010 21:28:10 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Sept 23, 2010 21:28:10 GMT -5
So what exactly is your post restriction? You can only post coherent stuff with red eyes? You can only post coherent stuff with red eyes occasionally? You can also post coherent stuff without red eyes occasionally? Exactly: Post. Like. Gir. No specifics. All is chaos. Guess and wait. Also: Difficult is not impossible. Experiment one passed: Can use duty mode. How often? Guess and post and hope. Experiment two in process. No warnings yet. Save duty mode for what I gave up on saying. I swore to myself after all the heat I took on Day 1 that I wasn't going to talk about the potential validity of posting restrictions, but I can't help myself anymore This makes absolutely no sense to me. I mean, I understand perfectly what you are saying, but for those of us without an intimate knowledge of Invader Zim, how are we supposed to know what "post exactly like Gir" means? With all of the other restrictions, I can look at what is posted and tell with not terribly much difficulty whether or not what was posted 'fits' under the player's restriction. But how am I supposed to know if you are 'Gir-like enough'? But that's not even my biggest problem. My biggest problem is that your 'announcement' came completely out of the blue, unsolicited, for no apparent reason. Nobody was talking about posting restrictions, nobody was asking you why you posted the way you did. You haven't made a post in 2 days, and you start off with "I. Have. A. Post. Restriction." And apparently it's a restriction that allows you to post whatever you want, in any style you want, as long as it conforms to some standard that can never be objectively measured, which may or may not result in some sort of sanctions if you cross the invisible line. If you're for real, then it must suck to be you (in a "what can I post without getting in trouble?" sense). If you're making it up... well, that's the problem. I can't imagine why you would make this up, particularly at this particular point in the game. But I can't imagine why you'd volunteer the information at this particular point either. In either case, it makes no sense, it adds one more discussion topic to the mix, and serves no purpose but to add additional confusion to the Day.
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Sept 23, 2010 21:28:58 GMT -5
Post by Captain Pinkies on Sept 23, 2010 21:28:58 GMT -5
fangirl had the least number of post on day 1 and didn't recieve the vote (at least I didn't see it). So I don't see how it for low post counts.
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Sept 23, 2010 21:38:38 GMT -5
Post by Dirx on Sept 23, 2010 21:38:38 GMT -5
There was indeed an extra vote on Fangirl, Yesterday. When it was first noticed, the only player with a vote on you was Curious George, and yet there were two votes recorded for Fangirl. This extra vote persisted through subsequent vote counts.
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Sept 23, 2010 22:23:59 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Sept 23, 2010 22:23:59 GMT -5
But that's not even my biggest problem. My biggest problem is that your 'announcement' came completely out of the blue, unsolicited, for no apparent reason. Nobody was talking about posting restrictions, nobody was asking you why you posted the way you did. *hits rewind* (1) Do you have a post restriction too where you have to post totally obscure shit and we all have to decipher what you mean? (2) * I doubt this would be Mod enforced post restriction. (3) I'm kind of with BigSis here. I know, I know - we should all play like the game as our costume. But only to a certain point and I'm starting to feel Gir is passing it soon. Number 3 maked Gir explode.
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Sept 23, 2010 23:48:42 GMT -5
Post by timmy on Sept 23, 2010 23:48:42 GMT -5
**Furiously reading through his notes**
A lot of claims have surfaced since my last visit. A lot of people have been busy.
I am disturbed by the case on the Mime. He wants out, and goes so far as to vote himself. I am more than happy to oblige and grant him peace, but there's something just off about the whole deal. Others have mentioned to have him request the Mods to sub out, yet still he persists with his plan. If it is a plan. Don't know.
Two players claiming Vig, two players claiming Cop. Slight difference in roles, according to each, but still: it's two Town Vigs and Two Town Cops. How does this make sense? I am searching for answers. Been suggested to lynch one and see what happens. Will it be as simple as this? Don't know.
Thinking back to Blockey's last Halloween Mafia. A mini, I think. Everyone had a role, no vanillas. Were there actual Scum? Or just compromised Town roles?
Maybe there are no vanillas in this game. Maybe there are no Scum, but I don't believe it. Will press on in search for Scum. And maybe get lucky, find 3rd party player.
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Sept 23, 2010 23:49:40 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 23, 2010 23:49:40 GMT -5
Let me begin by saying that I'm not going to defend my Day 1 vote very strongly because it wasn't anything I felt passionate about. I can't even remember who trotted it out to flog me with, but the argument can be spun back around that holding people to some ivory tower standard of vote justification on Day 1 sounds all nice and good and pro-town on the surface but is just as weaksauce as any weaksauce vote made on Day 1, because Day 1 is just oozing in weaksauce.
The situation with Gir! kinda sucks, but I agree that she's been pretty inconsistent, and the restriction as she's tried to explain it is a steaming pile. I don't really know what is going on in the Waiting Room either. Stay Puft is somehow responsible for a rule that Gir! can't respond to a post made on a day that she isn't here? Or something?
This is that basics of communication that I was trying to pin down early in the game, and we still don't have it. Meanwhile everyone and their monkey's uncle is claiming power roles in matched sets, and we have a people justifying their votes for not just policy or metagame reasons, but metagame policy reasons like "a role investigator is a role usually provided to scum ergo you must be scum".
That is enough for me to sink my teethe into now, so the Corinthian is no longer getting special treatment just because he made an early weaksauce vote for me.
What is scummy about Zed aside from your interpretation of the distribution of his claimed role in the history of the game?
Vote: Corinthian
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Sept 24, 2010 0:11:15 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Sept 24, 2010 0:11:15 GMT -5
:: Stands Up. Shakes his head, and feels horribly hung-over ::: I'm back. Number 3 maked Gir explode. Who wants to give me a big hug ?---- ::: cleans up the bar and the glasses that Stay Puft drank after the exit ::: Yeah. Stupid move on my part there. Unvote
I just fear way too much. Period. Having about 1/20th of the control I would like to have on something sucks. Having a restriction sucks beyond that. The after effects threw my paranoia totally out of whack. I think the play would have worked in Haggle. Not so much Mafia. Can't prove to you guys that I am town. As we can't post PMs. Don't want to piss blockey off more than I have. And that was all by accident. I can't conceive of breaking rules on purpose. But FWIW I am Town. FTR: I suck at quoting over here. It never works for me. That being said, I'm testing something with Gir. Hope it won't get mad at me. I don't think it can. Number 3 maked Gir explode. ::: Sits back and waits to see if the experiment happens as assumed. ::
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Day 2
Sept 24, 2010 0:14:44 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Sept 24, 2010 0:14:44 GMT -5
:: Looks to Raj and points to the TV ::
OOG
Wollowitz got into a a bit of trouble tonight eh?
I saw that plot ... developing two seconds after the open.
I like your Show Raj, but its starting to show its age. Predictable and Solid. a Good Plateau to be on, but alas it is on one.
/OOG
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Sept 24, 2010 0:19:37 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 24, 2010 0:19:37 GMT -5
Another word on Gir's steaming pile. Either it is a steaming pile that was bequeathed to her by the Mod, or the smell on the air is scum. Who knows at this point. I did not mean for my post to sound like she was the source of the steaming pile. That remains to be seen.
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Sept 24, 2010 1:03:16 GMT -5
Post by Inner Stickler on Sept 24, 2010 1:03:16 GMT -5
Unvote: Marcel/meeko
If meeko did indeed have a one shot mass block, I think I agree there was no better time to use it.
Gir's posts read to me like she has not been given very clear instructions on what would violate her post restriction and she is fumbling in the dark to suss out the do's and don't's. This could be a scum cover, in fact, I would not be surprised at all to be faced with evidence that scum have used this sort of tactic before. But I am not sure that I definitely believe her to be scum yet.
♪There are so many things I cannot grasp. When I think I've got it, and then at last, through my bony fingers it does slip, like a snowflake in a fiery grip.♫ Multiples of town roles. Hmm. At some point, if we don't get answers via NKs I think we'll have to cut our losses and lynch a claimed role or two. The flip side here is, as well, I'm going to bet that anybody who moves high enough in the ranks will claim a plausible town role, so if we make a career out of not lynching claimed roles, we're never going to get anywhere. I really do think the Vig situation will figure itself out. The cop situation is more thorny. Somehow I suspect tomorrow they will both report that the other is scum or a threat to town. But I dislike the corinthian is not willing to give them that chance.
Vote: The Corinthian
UNOFFICIAL VOTE COUNT this is where I see things standing at the moment. If I've fucked up, please correct, I make no guarantees. I just am realizing how useful it is to have a vote count more than twice a day. Cripes.
Marcel (2): Marcel (162) Rorschach (171)
Stay Puft (1): Buddy Christ (45)
Iskaral Pust (1): Batman (281)
Batman (2): Staypuft (287) Zed (346)
The Narrator (1)
Dr. Rajesh Ramayan Koothrappal (1): Meeko (237)
The Corinthian (2): Lt Columbo (251) Nakor (407) Jack Skellington (408)
Lt Columbo (2): Homicidal Maniac (299) george (the curious one) (332)
Zedd (1): Corinthian (396)
Sister Coyote (1): Total Galadriel (290)
Dr Strangelove (2): Nordom (336) Raj (376)
?Gir (1): Eleanor (359)Marcel (2): Marcel (162) Rorschach (171)
Stay Puft (1): Buddy Christ (45)
Iskaral Pust (1): Batman (281)
Batman (2): Staypuft (287) Zed (346)
The Narrator (1)
Dr. Rajesh Ramayan Koothrappal (1): Meeko (237)
The Corinthian (2): Lt Columbo (251) Nakor (407) Jack Skellington (408)
Lt Columbo (2): Homicidal Maniac (299) george (the curious one) (332)
Zedd (1): Corinthian (396)
Sister Coyote (1): Total Galadriel (290)
Dr Strangelove (2): Nordom (336) Raj (376)
?Gir (1): Eleanor (359)
I am not sure about Eleanor's vote for Gir as she did not bold her unvote so I do not know if it will count.
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Sept 24, 2010 1:04:14 GMT -5
Post by Inner Stickler on Sept 24, 2010 1:04:14 GMT -5
whoops
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Sept 24, 2010 4:59:10 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Sept 24, 2010 4:59:10 GMT -5
I'm in the vote lead, and I'll be at work all day with no access to this board. So I have no other choice but to claim:
I'm mason #2. Curious George can confirm me.
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Sept 24, 2010 5:04:03 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 24, 2010 5:04:03 GMT -5
Nuts.
Unvote: Corinthian
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Sept 24, 2010 5:45:28 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 24, 2010 5:45:28 GMT -5
Does anyone else feel like the inmates are running the asylum?
My open questions...
- Validity of individual alleged post restrictions and point of restrictions in general. I question both. - Where's the mod? We're doing our own vote counts and weirdness has ensued in the Waiting Room. - What's up with the subs? I mean, shit. In a normal game I have trouble keeping track of people. Here, each substitution involves 4 personas. The player/costume going out, and the player/costume coming in. A little clearly communicated transitioning would be appreciated.
This whole post has been put in green for the mod's viewing pleasure, but responses/comments/concerns from other players are also welcome.
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Sept 24, 2010 5:46:39 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 24, 2010 5:46:39 GMT -5
grr
not italicized, but you get the point, I hope.
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Sept 24, 2010 6:05:16 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Sept 24, 2010 6:05:16 GMT -5
On post restrictions: 1) Nordrom: do you have one? You do not seem to be posting in character of late. No I don't and said so Day One. For what it's worth I like the way the little robot talks even though it could be use some extra quotes or links some thing. It similar to peeker's normal style of posting (with better punctuation ). It's like we've got meaningful color posts throughout the Day and I love it! I just wish I was a better writer to do Nordom justice . Quick note on Zedd: I dislike his Marcel vote just as the others and his claim does seem more likely scum investigator to me as well (in fact it reminds me of make fake claims to complex like I usually do - my not just a simple power investigator? But than again I think Blockey is more likely to add twist). But the same thing as with Rajesh - why counter claim if scum? And also not a standard role. But why claim as town? Could investigate him (or perhaps for a different result) and stay hidden. If you die before reporting result the role reveal does the semi counter claim for you. Again that's a problem I had with Rajesh's claim as well.
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Sept 24, 2010 6:08:54 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Sept 24, 2010 6:08:54 GMT -5
First, I didn't Vote anyone; I expressed frustration that my Lynch candidates keep claiming Town! ;D I almost voted Batman, just before he claimed. I was suspicious of Zed for lurking, and then he claimed. Thus I can't find a Lynch candidate I like, but I wanted to participate; hence my "thinking out loud" post. Again most people will claim town, but I guess you actually mean Town Power role? Thanks for sharing your thought, but I treated your 'Tempted to vote' as votes and with still no actual vote from you I don't see a reason to change that. Back to work now, I should be back before Dusk.
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Sept 24, 2010 7:38:27 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Sept 24, 2010 7:38:27 GMT -5
I rest my case that fishing is not a reliable scum tell. I am smarter than a mule, heehee, you can't fool me.
(Have to take the kid to the dentist, back in a couple hours.)
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