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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 30, 2010 15:10:06 GMT -5
I'm not familiar with the nexus-role. Will a nexus usually be told in their role PM that they are indeed a nexus or will that be a nice little surprise? SQUEEK! (At this point, I think we're all being a little facetious with the nexus. But I don't know; a passive re-direct would be weird.) Or maybe it's the pointy ears he doesn't like SQUEEK (Can has no ears.)
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Sept 30, 2010 15:11:23 GMT -5
Then it could only be Dexter, if there is such a thing. If I am, then I am completely unaware of it.
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Post by Dirx on Sept 30, 2010 15:13:04 GMT -5
i wonder what that makes columbo then? SQUEEK (Either the center of the Nexus, or Nexus-proof ) The latter, I follow. I'm lost on how the former conclusion could be drawn.
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 30, 2010 15:16:22 GMT -5
i wonder what that makes columbo then? SQUEEK (Either the center of the Nexus, or Nexus-proof ) i was waiting for sometime just to make it special for you. i didn't want you to think that you were just another one in the crowd to me. nope, you weren't there. at least according to blockey. does that help at all? OK, that one I missed entirely. TY. SQUEEK (I said I wasn't there, but apparently I'm too small for even a monkey to comment on.)[/quote]
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 30, 2010 15:17:12 GMT -5
SQUEEK (I said I wasn't there, but apparently I'm too small for even a monkey to comment on.) Me too - maybe he just doesn't like elves Or maybe it's the pointy ears he doesn't like
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 30, 2010 15:19:08 GMT -5
SQUEEK (Either the center of the Nexus, or Nexus-proof ) i was waiting for sometime just to make it special for you. i didn't want you to think that you were just another one in the crowd to me. nope, you weren't there. at least according to blockey. does that help at all? OK, that one I missed entirely. TY. SQUEEK (I said I wasn't there, but apparently I'm too small for even a monkey to comment on.) [/quote] fuck, screwed that post. nope you were not there according to blockey.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 30, 2010 15:19:48 GMT -5
SQUEEK (Either the center of the Nexus, or Nexus-proof ) The latter, I follow. I'm lost on how the former conclusion could be drawn. SQUEEK (Read the whole thing in a very dry, sarcastic tone.)
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 30, 2010 15:21:10 GMT -5
Me too - maybe he just doesn't like elves Or maybe it's the pointy ears he doesn't like fuck, screwed this one as well. must be time for a snack. this would be inconsistent with the information that blockey provided. you signed the guest list. oh shit this get interesting.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Sept 30, 2010 15:22:29 GMT -5
fuck, screwed that post. nope you were not there according to blockey. Ahhhhh......first it was "blockey provided", then "blockey has provided", and now it's "according to blockey"..... I'm onto your little scheme now, monkey-boy
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Post by Total Ullz on Sept 30, 2010 15:34:46 GMT -5
fuck, screwed this one as well. must be time for a snack. this would be inconsistent with the information that blockey provided. you signed the guest list. oh shit this get interesting. I'll say! I might have been a naughty girl and spend the Night with someone. But it - to my knowledge - wasn't BatMc...
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Post by Total Ullz on Sept 30, 2010 15:43:53 GMT -5
Given the fact that BatMc was given his investigation some sort of mass-redirection seems out of question. So - if we just put all the talk about the intel can't be trusted aside - we would need to have 3 re-driectors in the game... 2 maybe. 3 is over the top. So let's say that Zedd spend the Night in the clouds and therefore couldn't be seen. This still leaves Gir!, Puffy-vig and me to be lying. I'm sorry but I can't accept that either So at this point I'm confused.
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 30, 2010 15:50:58 GMT -5
how do you think it plays to a simian brain? fuck, at least you are an elf.
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Post by Total Ullz on Sept 30, 2010 16:00:03 GMT -5
Being an elf can't be stressful at times.
Anyway - just to make sure I asked the mods to confirm receiving the PM I send them regarding who's bed I wanted to share on Night 2.
They just came back and confirmed that the PM was received.
To no surprise I still maintain the name in the PM was not BatMc.
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Post by Total Ullz on Sept 30, 2010 16:01:29 GMT -5
NETA: Not: Being an elf can't be stressful at times. But: Being an elf can be stressful at times. Maybe I should sign up as a mime next time
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Sept 30, 2010 16:03:13 GMT -5
OK, so according to the Almighty Masons, Galadriel is a lying little elf queen. Let's examine this a bit more closely.
We have two possibilities:
Galadriel is telling the truth; she didn't target Batman last night, and the Masons are wrong. Galadriel is lying; she did target Batman, and the Masons are right.
First, let's assume she's being truthful. She could be a Townsperson giving a truthful account about last Night. Or she could be Scum, but still giving a truthful account of last Night, because we have no way of knowing what power she might have. So if she's being truthful, it's a null tell.
So let's assume she's lying. Now she could be a good Townsperson, but have lied about last Night. But that would just be plain stupid, so I'm going to discount it. So if she's lying, she must be Scum.
Except, why the hell would she lie about last night if she were Scum? We don't know what her power is supposed to be, and we don't know what actions were attempted against Batman (only who targeted him), so there would be no risk at all for Scum to say "I visited Batman". But there would be no reason at all for Scum to lie about it. In fact, the most likely thing for Scum to do would be to remain silent, as half the town has done.
So the fact that she lied about last Night is also a null tell, because it's an idiotic thing for anyone, Town or Scum to do. Which means the information the Masons have would be useless even if it is accurate. Which it isn't.
Someone please correct the flaws in my logic here.
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Post by BillMc on Sept 30, 2010 16:15:33 GMT -5
I might have been a naughty girl and spend the Night with someone. But it - to my knowledge - wasn't BatMc... awww
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Post by Renata on Sept 30, 2010 16:17:25 GMT -5
Redirectors. Multiple visits to Dexter, directed to Batman, by his doing or someone else's. Multiple visits to someone else (target in common between Gir and Galadriel?) directed to Batman. Stay-Puft potentially redirected separately, given his role claim (if the attack was not of his choosing).
Some of you redirected, some lying -- makes most sense if the liar(s) are aware of the redirector(s).
Or you're all liars, but I rate that as only slightly more likely than the masons being non-town.
Logical? Don't expect logic from me. But it makes sense, heehee.
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Post by Total Ullz on Sept 30, 2010 16:17:55 GMT -5
I might have been a naughty girl and spend the Night with someone. But it - to my knowledge - wasn't BatMc... awww Don't feel like that. It seems like you throw a hell of a party in that cave of yours I might have enjoyed myself beyond belief - only now it seems like I can't remember any part of it
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 30, 2010 16:20:38 GMT -5
i don't know either puffy. but if we can not trust the information that the mods give us, up to and including our pms, what kind of game is that?
matter of fact if the masons believed that why would we have even bothered sharing what we have. we could have just let buddy swing and then let you and raj duke it out toNight if in fact the mods were even truthful with you folks. and then you would be toast manana, depending on what a NK flips (if we ever have one). matter of fact we have probably given more information than was prudent. but operating on the assumption of more information is better for town we have basically shared it all.
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Post by Dirx on Sept 30, 2010 16:24:04 GMT -5
Flaw: discounting the possibility of redirection.* Seems unlikely three players were all redirected (unless they all targetted the same player), but it's certainly possible that at least one was. Who that was is anyone's guess, though.
*As I understand it, the masons said that they know their own watching wasn't redirected. They haven't denied the possibility that any of Batman's visitors were redirected there.
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Post by Dirx on Sept 30, 2010 16:24:35 GMT -5
Blah. My above post was a response to Stay Puft. The rest of you are too fast.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Sept 30, 2010 16:28:37 GMT -5
Well now I feel forgotten too. Monkey either didn't see my post about not visiting the Bat Cave or he's ignoring me.
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Post by special on Sept 30, 2010 16:34:13 GMT -5
I have received my answers from the moderators.
1. I will not be aware of the outcome of my kill attempt except by reading the game thread. 2. My weapon, while it becomes less likely to work with each use, has no possibility of killing me or an unintended target (oddly worded, but I assume the unintended target doesn't necessarily me the target I intended if we do have redirectors) 3. After each discharge of my weapon, I will learn its success rate for the next time use it.
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Post by Total Ullz on Sept 30, 2010 16:34:34 GMT -5
Well now I feel forgotten too. Monkey either didn't see my post about not visiting the Bat Cave or he's ignoring me. Or he got distracted by a banana - happens to him sometimes
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 30, 2010 16:40:07 GMT -5
I swear, for the 100th time...
George: Do you or do you know agree with the following...
A) Communications from the Moderator can be subject to the mechanics of the game B) The mechanics of the game can include misdirection/redirection/manipulation of other mechanics C) Communications from the Moderator can be subject to misdirection/redirection/manipulation
There is a very big and obvious difference between discarding everything that the Moderator says in PM as untrustworthy, and acknowledging that SOME of what the Moderator says in PM, as merely the messenger of what has transpired during an exchange of actions, could differ from what actually happened in the exchange of actions.
Please, for the love of all that is decent, acknowledge that you understand what I'm saying and what others have repeatedly said and stop throwing the strawman around.
I don't think anyone has spoken out against the Mason's deciding to share the information. What myself and others are speaking out against is the belligerent and incomprehensible attitude that 100% of all of the information that you have received is 100% accurate in the narrative of who was where and when.
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Post by Total Ullz on Sept 30, 2010 16:41:21 GMT -5
2. My weapon, while it becomes less likely to work with each use, has no possibility of killing me or an unintended target (oddly worded, but I assume the unintended target doesn't necessarily me the target I intended if we do have redirectors) snipped That part actually make some sort of sense regarding the Nexus-discussion. If we have some weird sort of random action-swing, then it could be the reason for the way the PM was phrased. However - I've never played in a game with a nexus and don't really see why a Mod would want to add that role to a game. But that's just my opinion. I don't like to much random in my games.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Sept 30, 2010 16:45:05 GMT -5
i don't know either puffy. but if we can not trust the information that the mods give us, up to and including our pms, what kind of game is that? matter of fact if the masons believed that why would we have even bothered sharing what we have. we could have just let buddy swing and then let you and raj duke it out toNight if in fact the mods were even truthful with you folks. and then you would be toast manana, depending on what a NK flips (if we ever have one). matter of fact we have probably given more information than was prudent. but operating on the assumption of more information is better for town we have basically shared it all. You keep saying that if your information is incorrect, that means that "we can not trust the information that the mods give us". Now, Batman is a cop. Let's assume for the moment that he really truly is. And let's say, hypothetically, that Elizabeth Bathory is the Godfather (sorry, I couldn't resist). Now if Batman were to investigate her, then the Mods would tell him that she was Town. This would not be the truth. So that means that Batman can not trust the information the mods give him, under certain circumstances. So please explain to all of us what the fundamental difference is between his power and yours, such that he might be 'deceived' by information given to him by the Mods, but you cannot possibly be, never ever once in a million years.
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Post by special on Sept 30, 2010 16:45:54 GMT -5
2. My weapon, while it becomes less likely to work with each use, has no possibility of killing me or an unintended target (oddly worded, but I assume the unintended target doesn't necessarily me the target I intended if we do have redirectors) snipped That part actually make some sort of sense regarding the Nexus-discussion. If we have some weird sort of random action-swing, then it could be the reason for the way the PM was phrased. However - I've never played in a game with a nexus and don't really see why a Mod would want to add that role to a game. But that's just my opinion. I don't like to much random in my games. it also makes perfect sense with a normal redirector or even with no possibility of someone swapping targets
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Sept 30, 2010 16:47:47 GMT -5
You know what...forget I ever said anything there. I'm not to be trusted, so anything I have to say can only be intended to confuse the issue. Please, don't answer my question at all.
Just answer Nakor's instead.
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 30, 2010 16:51:01 GMT -5
Well now I feel forgotten too. Monkey either didn't see my post about not visiting the Bat Cave or he's ignoring me. fuck, sorry dude. blockey has assured us with complete confidence that you did not visit the bat cave last Night. i wanna see if i can make puffy explode.
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