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Post by special on Oct 3, 2010 20:49:21 GMT -5
Yay, now can you please die Zedd, so everyone knows you're telling the truth? if he's telling the truth, why would he be redirected to you? because you're not Scum and a safe investigation for them? because your a godfather? for extra wifom?
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Post by Mahaloth on Oct 3, 2010 20:49:32 GMT -5
Yay, now can you please die Zedd, so everyone knows you're telling the truth? But I'm having fun! If you folks really believe I'm not a Town alligned weak investigator who used the clouds to learn either the power or "threatiness" of other players, than I guess I'll get lynched. But until then, I'll share my results and hope to not get killed at Night.
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Post by Mahaloth on Oct 3, 2010 20:50:29 GMT -5
Yay, now can you please die Zedd, so everyone knows you're telling the truth? if he's telling the truth, why would he be redirected to you? because you're not Scum and a safe investigation for them? because your a godfather? for extra wifom? Good question. No idea why I'd be redirected to Stickler specifically.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 3, 2010 20:55:07 GMT -5
::: Rasies up the Neta finger again, then figures he should go ahead and restate ::: Peeker offers EXACTLY what he thinks town wants to hear today. My asterisk that got dropped off when I decided to "go advanced" on this board was *Realtive term. It tastes good. Probably the sugar coating. What is the Town motivation in sugar coating? Certainly the facts will be revealed in the end. We don't need extra calories. Contrast the late MarshMan, he came clean and offered stone cold facts. You need some pressure here. ....... Vote George / Peeker
Look there, it's acute monkey! It's a monkey alright, but it's the opposite of acute, it's obtuse.Peeker, you seem to eager to offer up information. Lets see where this goes, I expect something interesting will follow. I can't gaurantee it, mind you, cause I just don't know. But, the Day is REAL early. Someone needs to spank the monkey and tell him not to do that. i assume that when bill/batty publishes the results of his investigation he gets your next vote, right?
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 3, 2010 20:59:07 GMT -5
Ok fine, when a scum godfather and zedd die. Jeez people are touchy.
George, do you have any comments to make about your antics Yesterday based on today's results?
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Post by Meeko on Oct 3, 2010 21:16:50 GMT -5
Not entirely convinced the masonry is what it seems. ::: Raises a finger and offers a start, then withdraws. Waits a few seconds, then attempts again....... Finally he starts ::: Zedd : If the masonry is as advertised [That is, if you did NOT have reservations with it.] would George have the same motivation he apparently had when he apparently reported as he did? ::: Scratches his head ::: That didn't help. Zedd : Can you elaborate on your comment? I am pinged by the eagerness that George exhibits here. Is that same eagerness represented in your concluding [thus far] comments on the Masons?
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 3, 2010 21:19:01 GMT -5
Ok fine, when a scum godfather and zedd die. Jeez people are touchy. George, do you have any comments to make about your antics Yesterday based on today's results? the whole point of yesterDay was to try to make scum worry about watching or investigating town power roles. and with the depth of information that was received i kind of unilaterally decided that i would put it out to town for their mastication. now most townies/players in the game are basically going to realize that my play, if not the best, was certainly town motivated. as the corinthian stated we felt as a group that getting the information to the crowd was better than if something catastrophic happened to the masons and it followed us to our graves. and having come forth yesterDay i see no reason not to post the results of "our" investigation last Night. matter of fact if batty/bill doesn't post his results i will take that very poorly. once a town power role is outed it is not the time to try and be coy. the thought process that i was going through was to make scum worry about killing a watcher or an investigator. i was kind of hoping that watching puffy we might catch a scum redirector and we sure as heck were going to learn his alignment.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 3, 2010 21:21:42 GMT -5
oh, btw.
vote zed
what a bunch of horsehockey.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 3, 2010 21:38:36 GMT -5
matter of fact if batty/bill doesn't post his results i will take that very poorly. once a town power role is outed it is not the time to try and be coy. SQUEEK! (BillMcBatman said he'd be in and out of pocket due to travel, so he may not have been online yet. Just saying.)
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Post by Red Skeezix on Oct 3, 2010 21:44:37 GMT -5
Looks like puffy was telling the truth. Here's my list: People with info (with varying reliability). Let me know If i've missed anything. 1 BillMC: Batman: Claimed Cop -- Night 2 Investigated Drain Bead: Confirmed Results. 3 Kat: Gir --Seen at batcave Night 2, has no knowledge of it. 5 Sister Coyote: Death of Rats --Dirx Claimed Roleblock Night 2. 6 Sinjin: Big Sister -- Jailed Night 2/Day 2 7 Total Lost: Galadriel --Seen at batcave Night 2, has no knowledge of it. 8 Timmyfellinthewell: Rorschach --Seen at batcave Night 2, confirmed. 9 Cometothedarksidewehavecookies: Nakor 10 Storyteller: generic homicidal maniac --Claimed to have "Enabled" Batman night 2 15 Special Ed: Dr. Rajesh Ramayan Koothrappali --Claimed Gimped Vig --Seen night 3 with Stay Puft 22 Mahaloth: Zeddicus "Zedd" Zu'l Zorander --Claimed Role Cop/ Threat Cop --Claimed to investigate Batman Night 2, unconfirmed. --Claimed to investigate Jack Skellington, who is no threat to town. --Claimed to be redirected Night 3 --So the claim means he can not be observed, but can be redirected. ( ) 25 Meeko: Marcel Marceau --Claimed One Shot Mass Block People that we have no info about. 4 Inner Stickler: Jack Skellington 12 severedelays: Elizabeth Bathory 18 Hockey Monkey: Dexter Morgan 19 Natlaw: Nordom the Modron 21 NPhase: Iskaral Pust 23 Paulwhoisaghost: Meeko =================================== Now on top of that, there is something that I want to talk about from the mini game. 1. The Doc in the last game was actually the mad bomber. They would Protect/Tag once a night. 2. I was town redirector / bomb cop, I learned if someone was "At Peace" or something like that. After further reflection "No threat to town" could possibly be a bomb detection role. IE Zedd might get a "Threat to town" response on a tagged player. That is of course, if a mad bomber exists. Also, before Batman comes in with his results. I'd like to have a discussion weighing the pros/cons of those who visited batman claiming. Please don't jump into claim right away, lets discuss with a soft deadline of say 36 hrs from now of whether this is an idea that is worth pursuit. To be frank, I am in support of this idea, but rushing in "headstrong and cocksure" can sometimes be detrimental to lynching scum. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other things I'm pondering: 1. Zedd claims redirection, but if he's town why redirect over batman? a. Scum Expected batman to be dead. b. Batman is scum, who bussed drain for cred, this is more plausible if Drain really did have a one shot power that was already spent. c. Zedd is telling the truth about the role cop power and is town. Scum may have been concerned about him using role power and seeing a duplicate role or something more incriminating. d. Something else entirely. 2. Meeko, you realize you're voting for a claimed mason, right? 3. Those little peanut butter cookies that look like deer eyes are tasty. 4. Why did Scum place a higher priority on a town roleblocker than either of the claimed cops? a. Scum fears the watcher, and rightly expected that he wouldn't be watched. b. Scum has powers that they don't want interfered with (duh, right?) c. Dirx's death was either a don't look at his cases, or a look at his cases, too much WiFoM there. But i'll be looking back and seeing if I find anything interesting. 5. In reference to yesterday's "antics". Yes the masons are fully aware that we were being complete pains in the ass. Sorry for the confusion. I'm hoping to elucidate further but I haven't had a chance to talk with them yet. 6. I see peeker has voted zed. Personally I want to see some discussion, and see some other cases.
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Post by Red Skeezix on Oct 3, 2010 21:52:30 GMT -5
I left off a bit about GHM (Story), he was seen at the batcave, night 2.
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Post by timmy on Oct 3, 2010 21:54:33 GMT -5
Rorschach's Journal Day 4
Last Night a Roleblocker died. And a Vig. Knows who did the Vig, same guy who's been trying since Night 1. Finally got through. Results are Town alignment. Both dead men were Town. Both told the truth.
Total Galadriel in jail. Elinor out. Wonder if she'll have results of actions leading up to imprisonment. Apparently not. Zedd tries to see the Corinthian, gets report on Jack. Tells us Jack is Town. Tells us jack.
Mime blames Masons for results. How many others feel the same? Don't know. Not ready to blame them for the dead, they are trying to help. Suspicious of Zedd. Seems role is too comfortable for Town. Not feeling it's conclusive enough to help.
Last Night a Roleblocker died. Someone is targeting Town powers. But who? And who will be next?
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 3, 2010 21:57:39 GMT -5
Zedd did not say I was town, Rorschach. He said I was not a threat to town. I am, in point of fact, town but for all you or he knows, I am a survivor or some other nonexclusive third party.
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Post by timmy on Oct 3, 2010 21:59:49 GMT -5
I left off a bit about GHM (Story), he was seen at the batcave, night 2. And we don't have information on Nakor.
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Post by timmy on Oct 3, 2010 22:00:54 GMT -5
Zedd did not say I was town, Rorschach. He said I was not a threat to town. I am, in point of fact, town but for all you or he knows, I am a survivor or some other nonexclusive third party. Point taken. Just not certain how reliable information from Zedd is.
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Post by timmy on Oct 3, 2010 22:09:26 GMT -5
Masons: do you have a list of players who visited Bats last Night? Or were you focused on StayPuft? matter of fact if batty/bill doesn't post his results i will take that very poorly. once a town power role is outed it is not the time to try and be coy. I'm curious as well to learn of his actions from last Night. But I'm speculating he did not get results.
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Post by Meeko on Oct 3, 2010 22:24:23 GMT -5
oh, btw. vote zed what a bunch of horsehockey. ::: Blinks at George, looks to Zedd, looks to George, looks back to Zedd ::: Help me out here. We (Marcel and Zedd) both bring up issues that George is a Stakeholder to. [with? in? on?] IIRC, I am the only one to vote. George then votes Zedd over Marcel to avoid OMGUS. Right? Likewise Zedd, at least in OMGUS theory, can now not vote George. Interesting play here.Does George fear the stigma of an OMGUS vote if he counters Marcel? OR Does George know that Marcel is on to something, and seeks to throw a red herring out with a Zedd vote? At the same time, this puts in the OMGUS lock on Zedd, right? OR At once I want to say that George figures me for Town more than I figure him for scum. A town player would not vote for another assumed town player, would they? I obviously figure George as scum at this point. If George figures me as town, that means he can't vote for me. Assume for what ever reason that reconsiders my alignment, and votes for me. What is my course of action here ? Am I free to move my vote in the interim, or would a scummy George switch votes immediately after my unvote, just to exploit the OMGUS again? Yet, if I am Scum, George would probably feel different about me at the time he voted, and he would not have voted Zed. So, can I conclude that if George votes for me, it means he is Scum trying to bus a townie? ::: Takes an imaginary drink, and spits it out immediately ::: This wine I find before me sucks! Where did my Vodka get to? I'm just trying to seek the motivation of Peeker not voting me currently, and what it would mean if he decides to vote me later, and if I have any recourse if I unvote him. I think my brain melted a few times on this one. It's either rambling or WIFOM, and I'm betting both. And I'm also betting that George is cross posting me, and my incoherence will become magnified the moment I hit Post Reply.
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Post by Meeko on Oct 3, 2010 22:35:06 GMT -5
Zedd did not say I was town, Rorschach. He said I was not a threat to town. I am, in point of fact, town but for all you or he knows, I am a survivor or some other nonexclusive third party. ::: Facepalms ::: Echoes of """ I am a Town Power Role """ from Pleonast*,** was it? * What is the convention of Bolding a player that is not in the active game? What if they sub in later? ** Incidentally, for this game, this gambit probably is strictly worse than a Vanilla Handshake attempt [passed or failed attempt] - ::Sidesteps:: As a total aside, it is REALLY freaky to me, that I've gone from a post where I KNOW I had Wine before me, for once, to considering, even if for a microsecond a policy vote. Not sure I've ever had both of those in the same game, let alone back to back. The pieces are coming together somewhere.
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Post by Meeko on Oct 3, 2010 22:41:54 GMT -5
::: Neta Finger :::
Clarification : The gambit of "I am Town Power" is probably useless for this game. The value of a "I am possibly a 3rd or 4th Survivor" statement in this game is probably of equal value [or lack thereof, IMHO] in this game, as "I am Town Power" was to that game.
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Anyone else finding their policy vote policies [regardless of their creation age] decidedly .... less for this game?
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Post by special on Oct 3, 2010 22:45:54 GMT -5
To quote my good friend Leonard:
"huh?"
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Post by Meeko on Oct 3, 2010 22:49:56 GMT -5
To quote my good friend Leonard: "huh?" :: Shrugs :: I was waiting for questions. Otherwise I won't know where to start, or when to stop on my clarification machine. Not trying to be an ass here, Ed. Please ask a direct question. I would ask this request of anyone here. Our History would nearly require it, boilerplate for any conversation we have.
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Post by special on Oct 3, 2010 23:00:57 GMT -5
To quote my good friend Leonard: "huh?" :: Shrugs :: I was waiting for questions. Otherwise I won't know where to start, or when to stop on my clarification machine. Not trying to be an ass here, Ed. Please ask a direct question. I would ask this request of anyone here. Our History would nearly require it, boilerplate for any conversation we have. Well, OK, the question would be "Why?" 1. Why vote for a claimed Mason toDay? 2. Why are you so focused on yourself that you assume that george isn't voting you because it would look like OMGUS? 3. Why not consider that he's voting for the person who seems the most like Scum and is just pretty much ignoring you? 4. Why did you make a post about Jack's comment that Zedd found him 'not a thret to Town?" Did you have something to add or just you just want to include an obscure and unrelated comment about Pleonast in another game. 5. Why do I bother?
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 3, 2010 23:21:02 GMT -5
Oh jesus christ. I did not say anything that was functionally equivalent to Pleonast's soft claim in LOTR. However, I will address the bolding, since it is something that I know confuses people. I am lazy and do not bold anyone's names because I don't care to. It's a quirk, and not a posting restriction.
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Post by special on Oct 3, 2010 23:25:44 GMT -5
Vote: Zedd
If Scum have a redirector, then why waste it on Zedd? And if it's a bus driver, why drive the guy from Corinth, unless they though he might be protected.
OK, maybe that makes a little sense. But it doesn't explain why an investigator is investigating a mason so damn early in the game when a death of one of them at some point would clear it all up.
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Post by special on Oct 3, 2010 23:26:09 GMT -5
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Post by Meeko on Oct 3, 2010 23:40:08 GMT -5
:: Shrugs :: I was waiting for questions. Otherwise I won't know where to start, or when to stop on my clarification machine. Not trying to be an ass here, Ed. Please ask a direct question. I would ask this request of anyone here. Our History would nearly require it, boilerplate for any conversation we have. Well, OK, the question would be "Why?" 1. Why vote for a claimed Mason toDay? 2. Why are you so focused on yourself that you assume that george isn't voting you because it would look like OMGUS? 3. Why not consider that he's voting for the person who seems the most like Scum and is just pretty much ignoring you? 4. Why did you make a post about Jack's comment that Zedd found him 'not a thret to Town?" Did you have something to add or just you just want to include an obscure and unrelated comment about Pleonast in another game. 5. Why do I bother? ::: Drinks an imaginary glass of water. Then a REAL glass of water, and does some mouth stretches ::: La la la la la. Me me me me me. 1. Claimed by whom? I think Nakookie previously stated to emphasize skepticism after witnessing the events of this game. I'm on board with that. More of this when I get to 4. 2. I voted for George. I don't think Zedd has yet [today at least]. You are going to tell me, that if George DID vote for me, it wouldn't be OMGUS on his part? 2.5 Now I know we've had this conversation before Ed. Why do you want me to reduce the focus on myself? I know I'm town. Wasn't the argument made that I'm the only one I know for certain is town? 2.75 I still don't get what you mean to say here. The words you use don't work for me. How do you suggest I unfocus from myself? Assuming it can be done [It can't, and if say you can do it, you are lying to yourself] where should my other focus go? Certainly having divided attention in a Mafia game would allow more cracks for scum to hide in. During a transition between my foci scum can and will slip in. 3. I obviously consider Peeker to be scum. If indeed he is scum, he would need to make up reasons to vote people. I think a scummy peeker would be the type of player to come back to my vote on him and use it as reason* to vote me later. I want to make sure that doesn't happen. Peeker can't vote for me later, if he doesn't vote for me now. Otherwise I would have gotten his vote, not Zedd. 4. If my terminology is correct, I essentially had a policy vote on Pleonast for apparently claiming. The apparent equivalent in this game [that assumes no VT] is to say you are Town Aligned, but are a survivor type of some 3rd or 4th party. For this game being extra-factional is the new "I am town power". Everyone knows that "I am town power" is soooooooo last game. 4.1 I am not going to take someone's word for it when they say they are Town or Town Aligned. A non-mason, non scum can not tell the difference between mason members confirming each other as masons, or scum mates confirming each other as mason in a gambit. 4.2 Bonus Extra Credit : This is what I mean by my Policy vote post. I have no problems adopting and following an immediate policy vote on people thow blatantly claim Town, and dodge everything after. EXCEPT for the times when I realize that something is just not right with the immediate game at hand. From this, I feel my policy is not what it once was [for the one game that it existed previously] Hence my question there. Is it still policy if just one game can cause you to call it off? A policy can't be cherry picked, able to discern, can it ? 5. I believe you once used words on the order of "liking" me. If I could be this blatantly forward, it just might be that there is some experience I provide, that you have not had enough of yet. [I'm probably giving it to you filled with impurity.] You sense something here, and you want that something, at the very least you want to understand it. Why Mr.Anderson? Why? Why? Why Do you Persist? * Oh who am I kidding? Peeker would vote you if you didn't look at him Cross. If you did look at him cross, well then, you looked at him cross, what did you expect? He would probably vote you because he got a turkey sandwich and not a ham sandwich in his lunch today.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 3, 2010 23:46:33 GMT -5
4. If my terminology is correct, I essentially had a policy vote on Pleonast for apparently claiming. The apparent equivalent in this game [that assumes no VT] is to say you are Town Aligned, but are a survivor type of some 3rd or 4th party. For this game being extra-factional is the new "I am town power". Everyone knows that "I am town power" is soooooooo last game. I did not say that anyway so your argument would be moot even if it weren't horrendously wrong. I'm glad that you're not going to take players' words at face value. That would be foolish. And you are right that to regular town, masons confirming each other and scum false-mason claiming look the same. But both are revealed on death. Which is why, while I am not advocating a lynching of peeker, skeezix, or stanislaus, I will be much more relieved once one of them dies and we see the reveal.
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Post by Meeko on Oct 3, 2010 23:47:20 GMT -5
::: Neta Finger ::::
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Agent Smith would have to know that Emoticons exist, certainly.
I wonder what Smith would think of them, and if he would have plans for them, in his future.
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Post by Meeko on Oct 4, 2010 0:10:15 GMT -5
Zedd did not say I was town, Rorschach. He said I was not a threat to town. I am, in point of fact, town but for all you or he knows, I am a survivor or some other nonexclusive third party. ::Takes two steps back, then moves three steps forward:: Jack you raise an argument that I didn't carry forward your statements as best I could. I suck at multi quoting on this board. Do we both agree that you said the quote above? Let's work with the last part : I am, in point of fact, town but for all you or he knows, I am a survivor or some other nonexclusive third party. This is, for lack of better words, a land-grab. It is the same type of gambit that Pleonast's was. You want the game to take your presentation as fact. If this was not the case, you would not say this. At the very least, you would not say this as you have said it. You want us to conclude something about you. There is no way non-detective types can confirm this, before you death. But perhaps, if you insist on it enough times, it will become fact. Either you are making a Gambit, or you are making Spam. If I were to give you benefit of the doubt, I'm still not sure which would I Would call it. Pleonast was doing it as a Gambit. Yours looks like and smells like Pleonast's but it is sporting a different hair style and dress. - But I have some part of it wrong. I just gave it my best shot, again. If I still got it wrong, let me know where I can help you here. - - I'm glad that you're not going to take players' words at face value. That would be foolish. And you are right that to regular town, masons confirming each other and scum false-mason claiming look the same. But both are revealed on death. Which is why, while I am not advocating a lynching of peeker, skeezix, or stanislaus, I will be much more relieved once one of them dies and we see the reveal. - - Let's look at the second half of this one. I will be much more relieved once one of them dies and we see the reveal. No better way to ask this : Town : Is this PIS? Scum would say this, verbatim, and mean it 100%. Scum could say this of a town masonry. Scum could say this, if they were making a move at Town Credit. Town could say this if they had a REAL good read on someone.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 4, 2010 0:27:55 GMT -5
MarcelMeeko: I've just gotta say that you do always keep me guessing where you're going to go next.
Yesterday you were accusing me of sewing confusion by just dumping some chronological quotes from the masons because they were annoying the shit out of me. Yet today you decide to just go and vote for one of them. I have no doubt that you have some labyrinthine path of logic and deduction from one to the other, and I'll even try to read it should it be forthcoming. But even if that does not come to pass, I am certainly getting my money's worth in the entertainment area.
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