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Post by Gir! on Sept 6, 2007 18:41:32 GMT -5
It's going to be a while before any dead people show up here, but I wanted to get the first post in. Plus, it's gonna take some time to set up the "nacho" tray and the soda fountain and the barbecue grill and hire a bartender.
Try not to spill on the rug. It's an antique from Earth-That-Was, you know.
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Post by NAF1138 on Sept 6, 2007 18:58:39 GMT -5
So, should we just post it all now? Or make them wait?
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Post by Gir! on Sept 6, 2007 19:11:57 GMT -5
I'm evil. Make 'em wait. ;D
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Post by NAF1138 on Sept 7, 2007 12:03:01 GMT -5
I'm evil. Make 'em wait. ;D That IS evil!
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Post by sachertorte on Sept 7, 2007 12:37:04 GMT -5
So what have you two cooked up?
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Post by NAF1138 on Sept 7, 2007 12:41:49 GMT -5
So what have you two cooked up? Seems as though we are keeping that a secret for now. Oh, the tough guy is a one shot deal. So that should tilt the balance back towards the town a bit. What do you think of the rules set sach?
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Post by NAF1138 on Sept 7, 2007 13:57:40 GMT -5
Well "nachos" are fruity oat bars now.
Do nachos need trays?
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Post by sachertorte on Sept 7, 2007 14:01:02 GMT -5
I'm very glad that you made the tough guy a one-shot extra night kill. It will be still very powerful as they will be able to target multiple power roles that have claimed. Getting two night kills for scum is just way too unbalancing (in my opinion).
I like the rule set and there are certain features that I'm very curious to see how they will work out. How much am I allowed to say in here?
I'm pretty sure that unexpected things will happen. When Gaderene posted the multiple win conditions I was flummoxed and could not fathom someone going for it. Not only did Hal do so, but Hockey Monkey too. So I think I might be surprised how some players use their role.
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Post by NAF1138 on Sept 7, 2007 14:07:12 GMT -5
I'm very glad that you made the tough guy a one-shot extra night sha. It will be still very powerful as they will be able to target multiple power roles that have claimed. Getting two night kills for scum is just way too unbalancing (in my opinion). I like the rule set and there are certain features that I'm very curious to see how they will work out. How much am I allowed to say in here? I'm pretty sure that unexpected things will happen. When Gaderene posted the multiple win conditions I was flummoxed and could not fathom someone going for it. Not only did Hal do so, but Hockey Monkey too. So I think I might be surprised how some players use their role. Say anything you want. This is a free and open board. Kat and I are just trying to tantalize those without knowlege.
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Post by sachertorte on Sept 7, 2007 14:37:02 GMT -5
I'm quite curious how the neutral player will affect the game; especially since the setup is closed. I wonder how that character will choose to play and I wonder if town and/or mafia will make a miscalculation due to no knowing that one player doesn't count.
Also, how does an investigation of the neutral player work out? I'm assuming town, but that's kind of a lie. scum would be a lie too.
I'm rooting for the SK.
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Post by NAF1138 on Sept 7, 2007 14:46:31 GMT -5
I'm quite curious how the neutral player will affect the game; especially since the setup is closed. I wonder how that character will choose to play and I wonder if town and/or mafia will make a miscalculation due to no knowing that one player doesn't count. Also, how does an investigation of the neutral player work out? I'm assuming town, but that's kind of a lie. scum would be a lie too. I'm rooting for the SK. I always root for the SK ;D It is the hardest role to win with, but I like the underdog. Also, as far as counting toward endgame, the SK won't count either. Both the SK and the neutral player are their own entities.
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Post by sachertorte on Sept 7, 2007 14:51:10 GMT -5
So town doesn't have to get the SK to win and neither does the Scum. Interesting. The game could suddenly end unexpectedly.
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Post by NAF1138 on Sept 7, 2007 16:27:31 GMT -5
So town doesn't have to get the SK to win and neither does the Scum. Interesting. The game could suddenly end unexpectedly. No, that's backward. Both the town and the scum have to get the SK to win. The other neutral role you cited allows for a joint win however.
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Post by NAF1138 on Sept 7, 2007 16:29:32 GMT -5
Interesting, on the scum boards they have decided to talk about their special abilities but not reveal their character names.
Also, ATM they seem to be in favor of letting the person with the special ability decide how to use said ability rather then having everything be a group decision.
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Post by JSexton on Sept 7, 2007 16:56:58 GMT -5
Checking in. This is going to be so much fun to watch. I hope some of the "special interactions" come into play.
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Post by NAF1138 on Sept 7, 2007 17:03:06 GMT -5
oh me too! I am hoping that the stuff involving River happens most.
That and Inarra's shift.
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Post by Gir! on Sept 7, 2007 19:46:42 GMT -5
I'm rooting for the Survivor, since Saff is one of my favorite TV series recurring characters. She would be one of my favorite Firefly characters, but that's not a very short list, while the other one is.
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Post by sachertorte on Sept 10, 2007 8:09:39 GMT -5
No, that's backward. Both the town and the scum have to get the SK to win. The other neutral role you cited allows for a joint win however. Oh. That makes both a bit more sense, and not. So if the tally looks like 3 Town + 3 scum + 1 SK that would be an SK only win? I'm slightly confused.
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Post by JSexton on Sept 10, 2007 12:47:52 GMT -5
No, that's backward. Both the town and the scum have to get the SK to win. The other neutral role you cited allows for a joint win however. Oh. That makes both a bit more sense, and not. So if the tally looks like 3 Town + 3 scum + 1 SK that would be an SK only win? I'm slightly confused. Nope. The SK has to be the last man standing, meaning everyone else has to be dead. Aside from Saff, of course, as she can win with any faction.
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Post by JSexton on Sept 10, 2007 18:52:52 GMT -5
So, do you care to share what's happened so far? River still on the loose?
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Post by Gir! on Sept 10, 2007 19:05:28 GMT -5
Well, not much interesting has happened yet except that Mr. Universe got blocked and Jubal Early found River on the first try!! So, yeah, just that.
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Post by sachertorte on Sept 11, 2007 7:57:05 GMT -5
Oh. That makes both a bit more sense, and not. So if the tally looks like 3 Town + 3 scum + 1 SK that would be an SK only win? I'm slightly confused. Nope. The SK has to be the last man standing, meaning everyone else has to be dead. Aside from Saff, of course, as she can win with any faction. I know that traditional SK roles have such a win condition, but I vaguely remember the Firefly SK having a more attainable win condition. I do remember commenting to NAF about it. I am I crazy or did the win condition change from earlier drafts?
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Post by sachertorte on Sept 11, 2007 7:59:38 GMT -5
Oh an what the hell is a Reaver?
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Post by sachertorte on Sept 11, 2007 8:25:14 GMT -5
I'm interested in Roosh's accusation of Diomedes. When he quoted Diomedes's statements I thought he was going to pounce on his statement that looks like he knows definitively that the scum are Alliance. Everyone else is calling the scum scum, Diomedes is the only one so far to call them Alliance outright. I'm assuming Town would not know this at this time. In the very same post he speculates to the existence of Reavers. So Diomedes knows that Alliance is in the game, but does not know whether Reavers are in the game. Oddly, Roosh narrowed in on points other than what I caught. Diomedes looks like scum to me.
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Post by JSexton on Sept 11, 2007 10:30:40 GMT -5
Nope. The SK has to be the last man standing, meaning everyone else has to be dead. Aside from Saff, of course, as she can win with any faction. I know that traditional SK roles have such a win condition, but I vaguely remember the Firefly SK having a more attainable win condition. I do remember commenting to NAF about it. I am I crazy or did the win condition change from earlier drafts? Well, that win condition is kinda the definition of a Serial Killer. If you want to change it, fine, but don't call it a SK, because it isn't. The original draft has some very, um, unique win conditions. They are both confusing and contradictory. Jubal and the Hands of Blue guys worked together, yet had opposing Wins, for example. Simple is generally better. To be fair, we buffed the hell out of the SK so he's got a legit shot at winning.
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Post by JSexton on Sept 11, 2007 10:33:35 GMT -5
Oh an what the guay is a Reaver? Psychotic, self-mutilating, cannibalistic raiders. As for Diomedes, well, the natural assumption will be that the Alliance are the scum, since they're the villains of the show. But they're not scum in this game. I think it's more likely a town tell for Diomedes, but of course the townies don't know that.
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Post by sachertorte on Sept 11, 2007 19:41:20 GMT -5
If you want to change it, fine, but don't call it a SK, because it isn't. I don't pretend to be master of mafia rules, but to me a Serial Killer is someone who kills again and again and again. The term doesn't really seem to require a specific win condition. I'm enjoying watching to see how differently everyone thinks. I'm surprised that the players perceive the lynch conditions are anti-town. I suppose to some extent different might equate to anti-town, but forcing a consensus is better than letting a minority decide the lynch. It forces more discussion and half the town needs to be convinced that someone should die. I guess the paranoia that people will use the new rule as an excuse to vote for someone is valid, but really, the idea is probably better for the town than not. dnooman looks shaky. I can't imagine the SK outing himself so easily, but the statement was pretty bizarre. The response was odd too. meh. I'm also surprised at the Idle Thoughts situation. Is calling someone a jackass common in this game? I didn't notice it prior to my being called one. I thought the abuse of Idle Thoughts for a rule misunderstanding was pretty out of line, but apparently I'm "too sensitive" about these things.
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Post by Gir! on Sept 11, 2007 21:28:48 GMT -5
I dunno. We didn't do that in the original Werewolf game, but I recall plenty of scuffling in M2. Although, not for something minor like that.
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Post by Gir! on Sept 12, 2007 0:26:22 GMT -5
I love Roosh. I truly do.
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Post by JSexton on Sept 12, 2007 10:22:41 GMT -5
I'm enjoying watching to see how differently everyone thinks. I'm surprised that the players perceive the lynch conditions are anti-town. I suppose to some extent different might equate to anti-town, but forcing a consensus is better than letting a minority decide the lynch. It forces more discussion and half the town needs to be convinced that someone should die. I guess the paranoia that people will use the new rule as an excuse to vote for someone is valid, but really, the idea is probably better for the town than not. Totally agree. When I first started playing, I hated the rule. I thought it was very much in favor of the mafia. After seeing how alternate rules play out, with ~20% of players controlling a lynch, I firmly believe that the rule in place is the most pro-town rule possible, as it forces interaction more than anything else.
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