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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 31, 2007 10:53:48 GMT -5
I don't remember any Reaver facets to "Out of gas", and I just re-watched everything during the first few days of the game. Refresh my memory? Maybe I am remembering the wrong episode. I thought it was out of gas. Which is the one where they pick up the stranded guy on the space ship after a Reaver attack?
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 31, 2007 10:58:13 GMT -5
I did remember the wrong title. This is what I get for going from memory and not looking up an episode list before I posted.
"Bushwacked" is the ep I was talking about.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 31, 2007 11:15:16 GMT -5
Ok cool. I think I remember talking about that guy and that episode on Days 1 or 2, too. It still strikes me as a loose end what with the "big reveal" in the Serenity film. Did the guy just go crazy and start emulating the Reavers from having to witness what the Reavers did to the rest of the people on his ship? Do Reavers outgas whatever the additive was that the Alliance put into the air supply on Miranda? Surely by now someone has sat on Joss until he explained that episode...
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Post by Drain Bead on Oct 31, 2007 11:16:50 GMT -5
WTF is making a big mistake.
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Post by sachertorte on Oct 31, 2007 11:25:03 GMT -5
I guess that means WTF isn't targetting Roosh then?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 31, 2007 11:34:17 GMT -5
Hmmm...
Well, I don't think the possibility that Roosh could be lying was ever formally voiced in the thread. It certainly wasn't something I even recall thinking about at all.
If I remember correctly, we had wifom discussions about Dio lying or not, and about panama lying or not, but that is precious little to leave a brand new player stuck by himself as scum with much hope for him to revisit the motives/styles of other players with respect to lying. He thinks there is a 50% chance that he'll die if he goes after Roosh. Is it still a mistake if that is what he believes?
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Post by storyteller0910 on Oct 31, 2007 11:59:06 GMT -5
Well, plus, wtf has no reason to suspect that Roosh is any more worth killing than any other semi-confirmed player. From his perspective, there's no reason to go after Roosh when there are still a few who are suspicious of Roosh - better to target Idle, Mad/dot, or even Hal?
Right?
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Post by sachertorte on Oct 31, 2007 12:24:23 GMT -5
Yes. All very very true. I'm wondering what people not in the know make of Roosh's backup-doc statement. That pretty much came out of nowhere, but knowing Roosh is the backup-Cop makes these things more obvious to us than they would be to WTF.
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Post by Drain Bead on Oct 31, 2007 12:30:34 GMT -5
Aside from the Roosh issue, I just think that dnooman is about the worst "confirmed" town to go after right now.
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Post by sachertorte on Oct 31, 2007 12:36:48 GMT -5
I'd say Hal is probably the worst. Especially if he hides... again.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Oct 31, 2007 12:52:58 GMT -5
Aside from the Roosh issue, I just think that dnooman is about the worst "confirmed" town to go after right now. Why do you think this? As far as wtf knows, there might be two Docs in the game right now. wtf absolutely can't afford to waste his Night kills now - sooner or later he'll have to play chicken with Idle (and, wtf thinks, the imaginary second Doc), but right now is a time for reducing the pool of the confirmed. dnooman is unlikely to be protected, so he's as good a target as any.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 31, 2007 19:38:44 GMT -5
Is there another Peanut Gallery thread besides this one and the Sub Hangout thread?
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Post by Drain Bead on Nov 1, 2007 6:37:51 GMT -5
Aside from the Roosh issue, I just think that dnooman is about the worst "confirmed" town to go after right now. Why do you think this? As far as wtf knows, there might be two Docs in the game right now. wtf absolutely can't afford to waste his Night kills now - sooner or later he'll have to play chicken with Idle (and, wtf thinks, the imaginary second Doc), but right now is a time for reducing the pool of the confirmed. dnooman is unlikely to be protected, so he's as good a target as any. I think that dnooman's claim can still be questioned. I don't know why he's considered to be wholly confirmed. I think the artist formerly known as Mad would have been a good choice for tonight.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Nov 1, 2007 10:08:51 GMT -5
Why do you think this? As far as wtf knows, there might be two Docs in the game right now. wtf absolutely can't afford to waste his Night kills now - sooner or later he'll have to play chicken with Idle (and, wtf thinks, the imaginary second Doc), but right now is a time for reducing the pool of the confirmed. dnooman is unlikely to be protected, so he's as good a target as any. I think that dnooman's claim can still be questioned. I don't know why he's considered to be wholly confirmed. I think the artist formerly known as Mad would have been a good choice for tonight. Well, in theory you might be right, but in practice dnooman has been treated as pretty much confirmed for several Days now. I'd be very surprised if they targeted him at all. dotchan has a prediliction for getting into trouble, and since Roosh and a few others are especially afraid of a recruit, I think dot stands a better chance of being mislynched than dnooman.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Nov 1, 2007 21:27:53 GMT -5
I can't read the "spoiler" thingies in Firefox on my mac. Does Hal just say that he can hide at night?
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Post by dnooman on Nov 1, 2007 22:07:59 GMT -5
No way dnooman dies tonight.
Wait, aw crap, yeah.....I'm boned.
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Post by NAF1138 on Nov 2, 2007 10:08:48 GMT -5
Did no one read dotchan's roleclaim for Jubal or read the description of what Jubal does?
BAH! Bad town, bad! At this point they have enough information to start putting the pieces together.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Nov 2, 2007 10:30:18 GMT -5
Did no one read dotchan's roleclaim for Jubal or read the description of what Jubal does? BAH! Bad town, bad! At this point they have enough information to start putting the pieces together. Honestly, at this point, they've paralyzed themselves with overthinking. At this point, they should be treating Hal as confirmed pro-town. He: (1) Was the only target of a confirmed scum, who in her "slip" post explicitly stated she wanted to investigate him - which in turn means he was probably not one of them. (2) Was then mentioned as the target of confirmed scum by the moderator. (3) Was given a power by a pro-town player. (4) Can be given another power by another pro-town player, who ought to be defending the crap out of Hal but is instead one of Hal's primary interrogators. Given all this information, if Hal were scum, then you (the mods) would have been bordering on unfair. It's one thing to make matters complicated - it's another thing to plant deliberately deceitful information across the board.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Nov 2, 2007 10:48:05 GMT -5
Their overthinking is what is giving wtf a clear avenue to make it to (at least) near the endgame. I think what we're seeing here is the closed set-up getting to people's heads. Power role people can come forward completely with all the information they have, and yet the players will still say "I think there's something you're not telling us...let's lynch him!" (See: dotchan as Jubal Early)
Question re: Hal's power. Is he really unnightkillable? I thought that hiding only protected him from Cookies' investigation, not from a normal scum attack.
Also, who did Roosh investigate? If he investigated zeriel or nesta, wouldn't him coming forward with his information now basically seal the game for the townies? He confirms himself, hockey, MadChantheMason + another townie (zeriel/nesta), and then with Hal as basically confirmed town (if the town ever gets their act together) that's 5 votes, plus Idle Thoughts. It basically narrows the pool down to 3 people: Cat, wtf, and zeriel/nesta.
Although I suppose if people don't believe him, a claim could backfire in his face. I guess he would be better in trying to get the other of the zeriel/nesta pair lynched toDay, then at night investigate either Cat or wtf.
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Post by NAF1138 on Nov 2, 2007 11:53:37 GMT -5
Question re: Hal's power. Is he really unnightkillable? I thought that hiding only protected him from Cookies' investigation, not from a normal scum attack. Nope, he really is unkillable. We wanted to make River powerful, but Hal can't do anything if he hides. Can't investigate, can't use his kill...nothing. But he can stay alive until endgame. Unless the town lynches him. Honestly if they just take a minute to lay out all the information they have and think about it, they will realize that they have several confirmed town. Also, nesta really should claim.
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Post by sinjin on Nov 2, 2007 12:24:58 GMT -5
NAFKat; Can you tell us what reply nesta got after he investigated Hal last night? Was the answer "Yes Hal is River" or was it something more obscure due to Hal being in hiding? That may be why nesta is still suspicious of Hal. Otherwise I'm too.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Nov 2, 2007 12:28:56 GMT -5
Well, since my role was basically gutted before the game even started (with CarieD finding Hal right off the bat), all I can say is that the town is due some karmic backlash in Hal's general direction.
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Post by NAF1138 on Nov 2, 2007 13:39:25 GMT -5
NAFKat; Can you tell us what reply nesta got after he investigated Hal last night? Was the answer "Yes Hal is River" or was it something more obscure due to Hal being in hiding? That may be why nesta is still suspicious of Hal. Otherwise I'm too. He got something along the lines of "you were unable to locate anyone in your search last night, try again later" (or whatever Kat's version of this magic eightball answer was)
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Post by storyteller0910 on Nov 2, 2007 14:52:11 GMT -5
...and now everybody's analyzing role PMs and character names again. Great. That'll do it.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Nov 2, 2007 15:23:45 GMT -5
If they lynch Roosh, it will be quite possibly the dumbest move they could make. Unless Roosh gets out all the information about him being a backup cop before he's lynched. My worry is that since Roosh has already "claimed" they won't give him that brief wait period before a hammer is dropped.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Nov 2, 2007 16:38:53 GMT -5
Did Cat just cross-post his journal entry into the game (or appear to), or purposefully phrase an in-game post like a journal entry? I realize that question seems redundant, but it isn't.
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Post by NAF1138 on Nov 2, 2007 17:35:28 GMT -5
Did Cat just cross-post his journal entry into the game (or appear to), or purposefully phrase an in-game post like a journal entry? I realize that question seems redundant, but it isn't. I think he did it purposefully.
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Post by Gir! on Nov 2, 2007 17:56:18 GMT -5
NAFKat; Can you tell us what reply nesta got after he investigated Hal last night? Was the answer "Yes Hal is River" or was it something more obscure due to Hal being in hiding? That may be why nesta is still suspicious of Hal. Otherwise I'm too. He got something along the lines of "you were unable to locate anyone in your search last night, try again later" (or whatever Kat's version of this magic eightball answer was) [Operator Voice]I'm sorry, your call cannot be connected. That number is not in service. You will now be disconnected.[/OV] He's been getting variations of "you were unable to make contact with what's-his-name to determine if he's River". Considering Hal just posted the Nights he's been hiding ( and explicitly said he can't be found while hidden), which correspond with the Nights that nesta couldn't get a result, you'd think something would click. I'm amused at Roosh's obvious breadcrumb of nesta. Is it obvious to anyone else?
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Post by sinjin on Nov 2, 2007 18:56:31 GMT -5
It wasn't obvious to me until you pointed it out. DOH! When I first read it I was "WTF, over?" But now it's obvious and Yeah! sinesta is off of the Roosh hit list. I like being cool. Ohhh and I just saw on preview that my new level is cool, how cool is that?
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Post by Parzival on Nov 2, 2007 19:39:27 GMT -5
Hopefully if Roosh does end up being lynched, he'll get to do a full claim. Breadcrumbs won't mean much unless he gets night-killed. I'm willing to bet nobody expects a backup cop to be in the game, so each dropped hint is only looking suspicious to the player mentioned.
But whatthefrak's lurking is appearing to make him Roosh's target tonight, no? His only chance may be to take out Roosh (or hope for a lynch).
Now, wtf won't know that he has to do that. I'm all for the crew winning, but I kind of hope he makes a lucky choice.
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