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Post by NAF1138 on Nov 7, 2007 11:13:24 GMT -5
This is going to get interesting. Yeah it is. MHaye has made the correct choice, but it may be to late for it to do him any good. AND Hal just got his one shot investigation.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Nov 7, 2007 11:41:15 GMT -5
You know, it's impolite to tease the spoiler whores hanging on your every word, NAF. Just saying.
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Post by NAF1138 on Nov 7, 2007 12:13:15 GMT -5
You know, it's impolite to tease the spoiler whores hanging on your every word, NAF. Just saying. But it is so much fun!
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Post by storyteller0910 on Nov 7, 2007 13:31:42 GMT -5
So who did mhaye kill? He basically had to go after Roosh at this point, didn't he?
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Post by NAF1138 on Nov 7, 2007 13:55:26 GMT -5
So who did mhaye kill? He basically had to go after Roosh at this point, didn't he? Yeah, he did. I haven't seen who Idle chose to protect tonight. So there is a possibility that the game wil be over come morning if Idle protects him and wins his coin toss.
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Post by Drain Bead on Nov 7, 2007 16:24:05 GMT -5
Aaaaaaand Idle keeps the game going, at least for now.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Nov 7, 2007 16:28:52 GMT -5
Weird move by Idle, there. I guess he must be pretty suspicious of Roosh, to leave a claimed investigator exposed. Why, though? It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
So, I guess we end up here in the Morning:
dotchan (replaces MadTheSwine) - CONFIRMED Hal Briston Hockey Monkey - CONFIRMED Idle Thoughts (undead) - CONFIRMED nesta (replaces sinjin) - CONFIRMED mhaye (replaces wtf) Zeriel v.2 (replaces Yattara)
(Hockey and nesta confirmed by Roosh's death). Unless the town is really insane, they won't chase a putative recruit until they find the original scum. They know there is at least one original scum left; they don't know whether there's a recruit. So there's no reason on Earth for them to do anything but lynch Zeriel or wtf toDay. If the latter, game over. If the former, Hal asks for protection, investigates wtf tomorrow, and it's game over unless Idle's protection fails. Even if it does, the town most likely lynches wtf two Days hence.
I can't see a way for the town to blow this one.
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Post by sachertorte on Nov 7, 2007 16:38:18 GMT -5
Yup. MHaye really inherited a bad situation. Killing Roosh confirms several Town, but not killing Roosh would be even worse.
Since Hal didn't hide, nesta should be able to vouch for Hal (as could dotchan, though she really shouldn't). Game looks pretty over to me.
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Post by sachertorte on Nov 7, 2007 16:45:29 GMT -5
I do have to give Hal points for stating that he is going to hide, then not hiding. It's not grand chess, but a nice move for him to take. And I'm not suprised Idle Thoughts chose to protect himself. If Idle can live to the endgame, and Hal can hide every night, then that leaves two "unkillable" Town. Ooops. We sort of missed that loophole when designing the game. At least Idle is only 50% now, but that wasn't supposed to be the case. Then again he wouldn't be confirmed town otherwise... but an investigation could have done the same thing.
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Post by NAF1138 on Nov 7, 2007 17:24:05 GMT -5
I do have to give Hal points for stating that he is going to hide, then not hiding. It's not grand chess, but a nice move for him to take. And I'm not suprised Idle Thoughts chose to protect himself. If Idle can live to the endgame, and Hal can hide every night, then that leaves two "unkillable" Town. Ooops. We sort of missed that loophole when designing the game. At least Idle is only 50% now, but that wasn't supposed to be the case. Then again he wouldn't be confirmed town otherwise... but an investigation could have done the same thing. We didn't miss that loophole, we just forgot to tell Idle about how we fixed it. Originally we were going to have Idle not be able to protect the same person twice in a row...only we forgot to tell him that. It is one of the (many) errors that resulted in him becoming mod confirmed.
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Post by Parzival on Nov 7, 2007 17:29:36 GMT -5
I was wondering about that. I re-read the roles recently and couldn't see how Idle's "protect River" plan worked. I just assumed that when he went to 50%, you let him start repeating his protects.
Also, he told me in-game that he doesn't know when he saves someone — is this actually the case?
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Post by NAF1138 on Nov 7, 2007 18:17:41 GMT -5
I was wondering about that. I re-read the roles recently and couldn't see how Idle's "protect River" plan worked. I just assumed that when he went to 50%, you let him start repeating his protects. Also, he told me in-game that he doesn't know when he saves someone — is this actually the case? Yes, this is how I have always played. You don't get results on your night action unless it is a necessary part of your role (investigator etc). Docs get to find out who is alive and who isn't at dawn just like everyone else. Did the same thing in M2.
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Post by Parzival on Nov 7, 2007 22:33:53 GMT -5
Yes, I do think it's better that way. Otherwise you don't get such interesting events as the first night of kills here, when I was sure the scum couldn't have gone after anyone but Greedy.
It looks there's a faint hope that if the town lynched Jubal, they might be convinced to lynch Hal. A final 3 with Idle and dotchan is about the only way the scum have even a ghost of a chance, I think.
(edited to add - and it could happen, if zeriel and Hal get lynched).
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Post by Pollux Oil on Nov 7, 2007 22:37:53 GMT -5
I think at this point, if the town lynches anybody other than mhaye or zeriel toDay, they deserve to lose the game for falling victim to a complete paranoid meltdown.
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Post by RoOsh on Nov 8, 2007 0:56:48 GMT -5
*coughs* Uh... Hello. My name is Roosh. And I'm an insane townie/a courtesan/ a 50% Protected Self-Defender/ and I could have vigged people/ and I'm the backup Cop... who REALLY REALLY wished someone had covered his ass last night. But no. (-_-) And I found out that Zeriel was Townie... I just didn't think scum would be allowed to Lurk THAT long. And yeah... I blame Atarus for the Dotchan2.0 lynch. I swear. I just... yeah. I played the reckless bitter cop in this game. Because I had no faith in my fellow townies after pretty much ... I became the Cop. I figured I'd try to lay low and use my "unkillable" status to get as many townies as i could, or 1 scum name and then pop my head up. But I was going after all the people who didn't claim.... So Zoe woulda been last on the list for sure. And uh. Yeah. I just wanted to make the game entertaining. And fun. And :shrug: I hope I made it fun. Any Questions? Anyone actually want to know my ACTUAL Plan for Day 1's Role Claim? I'd rather not, as i think i look pretty fucking cool without posting why I did what I did. My actual reasons on Day 1 were REALLY REALLY stupid and shitty. Like up there w/ "Idle's I'm gonna kill Wash Idea" or the "Gee, I'm gonna act like there's a 3rd Doc so that there's more WIFOM, and so that The Backup cop thinks he might actually have a better chance of surviving so he might as well claim" And Pygmy, you mentioned one of my posts as being really good as a breadcrumb. It wasn't. It's just as you said: It actually IS something I WOULD say. In fact, I DID say it. (-_-) I did outline my breadcrumbs though, something that no other cop was able to do before me. And what did I get for my troubles? Dotchan saying we should lynch me or Nesta. And Zeriel saying "hmm... i don't believe all those pms" Yep. I'm Roosh. Your bitter Jaded cynical backup Cop.... Hal should win this game. As I have no faith in ANYONE else currently
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Post by sachertorte on Nov 8, 2007 9:09:45 GMT -5
How the heck did they convince themselves to put dotchan on the unconfirmed list?
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Post by storyteller0910 on Nov 8, 2007 9:35:49 GMT -5
How the heck did they convince themselves to put dotchan on the unconfirmed list? I think it's basically Idle's absolute terror about recruitment. The more this game rolls on, the more I hate even the possibility of recruitment. It dominates the game when it's there; it hangs over everything, it makes it impossible to talk about people's behavior reasonably. Heck, Idle still has nesta unconfirmed, and Roosh explicitly called him "Crew" just yesterDay!
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Post by NAF1138 on Nov 8, 2007 11:11:24 GMT -5
And what did I get for my troubles? Well, your probably won the game for the town. If you hadn't claimed when you did the scum had a much better chance of winning. If you had claimed a Day before, the game would be over now.
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Post by sachertorte on Nov 8, 2007 12:30:24 GMT -5
In retrospect, I think MHaye probably should have no-killed last night and claimed to have protected Roosh. Do you think that would have removed the heat on MHaye? It really is a difficult situation for him.
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Post by NAF1138 on Nov 8, 2007 12:41:43 GMT -5
In retrospect, I think MHaye probably should have no-killed last night and claimed to have protected Roosh. Do you think that would have removed the heat on MHaye? It really is a difficult situation for him. Didn't WTF say that he died in the place of the person he was protecting? I don't quite remember, but I thought that was what he claimed.
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Post by sachertorte on Nov 8, 2007 13:10:00 GMT -5
Oh. Well that would very much complicate matters.
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Post by Parzival on Nov 8, 2007 13:13:29 GMT -5
Roosh, I think you played great game, and we're lucky mhaye the Reaver killed me. I would have killed you, at least partly because I thought you were scum, and partly because I wanted your "bomb ability" to take me out if I was wrong.
Although I did pick up on you pointing out I'm the vig, I wasn't sure if that was something you'd figured out on your own, or if you were scum trying to cheat death. "Backup cop"? I didn't think of it. I feel bad for your "snitch" breadcrumb that sailed over my head - I never had any idea I was the Snitch.
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Post by RoOsh on Nov 8, 2007 14:10:51 GMT -5
:nod: I've been talking with Atarus on our VERY different playstyles as the cop. His advantage was that he felt he would never "accidentally" be vigged by the Vig, but his breadcrumbs were also quite subtle too, so that Townies wouldn't really pick up on it unfortunately. Like when Klutz said "Atarus probably breadcrumbed Roosh as Town" I totally believed him, because that's what I had been thinking in my head. Of course, Klutz would have been my #2 person to investigate after Storyteller, but still. It was something that made me go "good point".
As for my style- yeah, it was agressive, non-chalant, and I certainly was trying to hint to you that I knew what YOU were, and I wanted YOU to kill the people on my FoS list. It was a ballsy play- to try to only communicate with the Vig, and hint to him that the two of us could run this Town. And in the end, yeah, I'm glad you died when you did, so I could at least Mass Claim.
And really at this point, WTF IS the play to make. he said he protected me, and it's a 50% chance of him dying then. It's also a 50% chance of me "killing my attacker" (so I claimed, and never said anything about not having it). So the odds of there being NO ONE else dead, is really suspicious). I just have to put the game on Hal. As his plan IS the best, as long as he lives through the night, and makes sure that he can Investigate WtH.
If mhaye didn't kill me, I'd still be alive. Then I would know that Zeriel was Town. So I would Vote for Mhaye on principle. And then ask the town who should I investigate at night from them? (Probably go for Hal). So he did the right thing by killing me.
As for Idle, I blame his "journal entries" i think he's just gone drunk on his character's powers and WIFOM'ed himself into such an intoxicated state, that he's not thinking about the Town, but rather himself.... He's living too much in the Dr. Simon Tam in FireFly, rather than Doper in a Mafia game at this point. It's the BEST example of WIFOM Drunkardness I've seen yet. Very amusing, but worrisome.
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Post by Drain Bead on Nov 8, 2007 20:39:25 GMT -5
Yessssss, zeriel. It hasn't been determined that River Tam is town aligned.
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Post by Captain Klutz on Nov 9, 2007 1:52:14 GMT -5
Didn't WTF say that he died in the place of the person he was protecting? I don't quite remember, but I thought that was what he claimed. Here is what WTF claimed, Day2.540 He just says "blocking the attack" (blocking, not killing the attacker), so he is a 50% Doctor. But he also claimed that he cannot protect himself, so his continued survival looks a bit odd.
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Post by Captain Klutz on Nov 9, 2007 1:55:53 GMT -5
I think it's basically Idle's absolute terror about recruitment. The more this game rolls on, the more I hate even the possibility of recruitment. It dominates the game when it's there; it hangs over everything, it makes it impossible to talk about people's behavior reasonably. I get the feeling that the Blade Runner game will not feature recruitment...
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Post by RoOsh on Nov 9, 2007 2:46:43 GMT -5
or will it? :pulls out the glass of wine:
And also: Noooo, Zeriel! Don't Lynch Hal! Hal MUST live in order for the town to win basically! And he can't spill that he's got the investigation effect! Why do you think the Scum have constantly been voting for Top Dog? It's all a leadup to this ONE moment, when YOU Top Dog can cast aside suspicion and vote against Mhaye rather than Hal! Live up to the Role you were destined to play!
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Post by storyteller0910 on Nov 9, 2007 8:41:51 GMT -5
or will it? :pulls out the glass of wine: No. No it will not. There will be no recruitment in the Blade Runner Game. No wine. No recruitment. No. No.
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Post by Captain Klutz on Nov 9, 2007 9:14:17 GMT -5
Yessssss, zeriel. It hasn't been determined that River Tam is town aligned. I can understand there being some confusion of River's status. Consider: - She is being specifically searched for by 3 baddies (or what would normally be considered bad guy names): Jubal Early, Dr Mathias, the scum - Jubal Early and Dr Mathias are apparently trying to help River, which goes against Firefly canon - scum have a specific ability to kill River, yet they chose not to do it If River is scum, why do scum have a specific kill ability? And if River is town, why are scum unwilling to kill her? Maybe River is neither scum nor town, but instead has her own win condition (like the Serial Killer and the Survivor). The other side of the coin is that both Jubal Early and Dr Mathias are confirmed as town. Now it beggars belief that town would be given an investigative ability where the reward for success was to hurt town (at least, I think it beggars belief). On that basis, they should regard River as town. But with everything that's happened in this game, I can understand there being some doubt over River's alignment.
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Post by NAF1138 on Nov 9, 2007 10:58:20 GMT -5
or will it? :pulls out the glass of wine: No. No it will not. There will be no recruitment in the Blade Runner Game. No wine. No recruitment. No. No. YAAAAAY!
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