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Post by special on Nov 24, 2010 20:26:44 GMT -5
The scum will not make a mistake toNight and kill one of their own. I don't understand this at all. Under what circumstances would the scum kill one of their own? [ /quote] Maybe the Scum don't know each other yet?
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Post by special on Nov 24, 2010 20:27:40 GMT -5
gah!
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Post by texcat on Nov 24, 2010 20:49:09 GMT -5
I meant exactly what I said, the scum will not make a mistake and kill one of their own. I was trying to make a distinction between that, and the town who might and frequently does, kill one of their own. I was trying to say that talking toNight would help town more than scum. Talking is generally better for town than scum, and I think toNight is no exception. Sure we could talk toMorrow, but I would hope that investigators, vigs, and even docs who aren't self-protecting could benefit from our discussion toNight. [...]I don't understand this either. Either you know there aren't a lot of scum power roles and just slipped up, or you're making an assumption that because there are more town than scum, there must be more town power roles than scum power roles. But there really isn't any way for you to know that so I'm not sure why you would even say it. [...] Scum don't always have to lie to play well, unless you are counting lies of omission which leads into the issue of making a slip. [...] Yeah, that's why I said I was guessing that there would be more town actions than scum actions tonight. From my somewhat limited experience, it seemed like a good guess. Scum certainly don't have to lie if we never force them to say anything, but I thought they usually made cases on townies and voted for townies, and I consider those lies since they know their target is non-scum.
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Post by peekercpa on Nov 24, 2010 22:30:45 GMT -5
The scum will not make a mistake toNight and kill one of their own. I don't understand this at all. Under what circumstances would the scum kill one of their own? [ /quote] Maybe the Scum don't know each other yet? jeebus ed did you write clinton's is is not is or maybe it is is as long as it does not apply to the is that we are talking about stuff?
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Post by Total Ullz on Nov 25, 2010 6:25:20 GMT -5
The scum will not make a mistake toNight and kill one of their own. I don't understand this at all. Under what circumstances would the scum kill one of their own? I can think of a couple. Most of them so unlikely it's beyond stupidity. However I've also seen unlikely thing happen in mafia on more than one occasion. The add the whole discussion about if Scum should be the ones to kill a SK or if it's Towns own problem to deal with. Lots to talk about - however I somewhat fail to see what it will tell us about this game.
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Post by Total Ullz on Nov 25, 2010 6:29:44 GMT -5
NETA:
Not: The add the whole discussion about if Scum should be the ones to kill a SK or if it's Towns own problem to deal with.
But: Then add the whole discussion about if Scum should be the ones to kill a SK or if it's Towns own problem to deal with.
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Post by metallicsquink on Nov 25, 2010 8:12:46 GMT -5
<snip> Scum certainly don't have to lie if we never force them to say anything, but I thought they usually made cases on townies and voted for townies, and I consider those lies since they know their target is non-scum. I see what you are saying. I was thinking of more explicit lies like a fake role claim. I would think a good scum could make a case against a townie and get away with it because most players, including town, have to make a weak case at some point. That's the type of scummy play that is much harder to detect.
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Post by CatInASuit on Nov 25, 2010 8:14:32 GMT -5
7 pages already, do some of you people never stop.
SFQ, I know
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Post by Merestil Haye on Nov 26, 2010 5:27:11 GMT -5
7 pages already, do some of you people never stop. I think you must have scared them off...
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Post by Total Ullz on Nov 26, 2010 8:35:10 GMT -5
7 pages already, do some of you people never stop. I think you must have scared them off... I think it was the big stuffed turkey that make them go away
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Post by peekercpa on Nov 26, 2010 10:16:51 GMT -5
I think you must have scared them off... I think it was the big stuffed turkey that make them go away or it could be this nasty bug that i picked up. praying to the porcelain goddess all day does not put me in a real participatory mood.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Nov 26, 2010 12:04:17 GMT -5
or it could be this nasty bug that i picked up. praying to the porcelain goddess all day does not put me in a real participatory mood. That in-the-bird stuffing finally got you, eh?
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Post by peekercpa on Nov 26, 2010 14:20:53 GMT -5
or it could be this nasty bug that i picked up. praying to the porcelain goddess all day does not put me in a real participatory mood. That in-the-bird stuffing finally got you, eh? nah, this predated the main event. shoot i didn't even get to participate. i think it was the pizza or the oysters.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Nov 27, 2010 11:15:13 GMT -5
Sooooooo.....
Anybody read any good books lately?
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Post by Merestil Haye on Nov 27, 2010 11:54:08 GMT -5
Sooooooo..... Anybody read any good books lately? This month? Towers of Midnight (book 13 in the Wheel of Time) and Toll the Hounds.
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Post by peekercpa on Nov 27, 2010 13:33:50 GMT -5
under the dome by king.
the long walk (the one about the escapees from siberia who walked to india).
and i am still grinding through a self study of the bible.
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Post by peekercpa on Nov 27, 2010 13:35:53 GMT -5
neta:
under the dome was pure king. long winded but cotton candy for the soul.
the long walk. beginning was good and then quickly slogged through how close are they going to come to dying. but you kind of figured out that someone had to write the durn thing so not everyone was going to die.
the self study. only when totally cerebral (not often).
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Nov 27, 2010 18:33:35 GMT -5
I'm listening to an audiobook of the Name of the Wind off and on while I work, which is pretty darn good Fantasy from a new author for the genre, Patrick Rothfuss. A nice dense, thick and fat first installment of a new series.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Nov 28, 2010 14:40:23 GMT -5
I was just alerted to the start of the game. I'm confirming receipt of my PM and I'll be catching up on night zero this afternoon. After I make some turkey pot pie for lunch.
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Post by Paranoia on Nov 29, 2010 1:09:50 GMT -5
Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh! Sorry about missing most of this night. I've bounced between being ready to reply with my laptop crashing just as I'd get around to the finishing touches on a post to not even being able to get online.
I confirm that I've my role pm, and am ready to roll on out.
Overall though - I've got to admit I liked what I saw during most of this night - a lot of people debating strategy, how to use this night, etc. There were some things I did not agree with (and will go into greater detail on soon), but there were also a lot of points made that I liked (particularly, I believe unless I correct myself a bit further down the road, Total Ullz made the point that this may be the only night one of us manages to contribute to the game, and someone made a counterpoint to that I think that had the effect of not sitting very well with me; will expunge on that after I've finished reading though.)
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Post by CatInASuit on Nov 29, 2010 4:39:31 GMT -5
Sooooooo..... Anybody read any good books lately? Don't read "The Reincarnationist". The book is as bad as the title makes it out to be.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Nov 29, 2010 12:22:10 GMT -5
The only thing I seem to be reading lately are Mafia threads...I don't know how you folks have time for anything else...or maybe I just have a problem... But I'm pleased to find out that I haven't missed anything over the last several days. Day 1 begins in about 6 1/2 hours?
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Post by Rysto on Dec 2, 2010 13:02:11 GMT -5
I'm going to Vote Suburban Plankton. It's due to a series of little things that don't mean a heck of a lot on their own, but taken together point towards a scum POV in my opinion. On a game related note...I think this statement This is not a normal Night Zero, someone will die. is assuming facts not in evidence. Unless Pleonast knows something the rest of us don't? But he's claiming vanilla, so by definition he knows nothing. Unless he does. Isn't this fun? Pleonast has discussed this one already, but I approach it from a different angle. This is a smudge, pure and simple. It's also a big reach: it is not at all unreasonable to assume that the scum will get to kill on a Night 0 that allows night actions. I don't like that Suburban went out of his way here to smudge another player for making a perfectly reasonable assumption. Well that sucks...sorry sachertorte... I pointed this one out already, but just to be explicit about it: my experience is that killers will often feel bad about killing another player, especially over a Night Zero kill that meant that the victim didn't get to participate at all. I'm considering casting a vote for Pleonast, the reasoning being this: I have no read on who's Scum, so any lynch vote at this point is a shot in the dark. Since Pleo has claimed Vanilla, (and has not claimed Town) he's a 'safe' target in as far as it minimizes the risk to the Town. I'd rather lose a Vanilla Townie at this point than a second Town Power. And there's always the chance that he's Vanilla Scum, and just forgot to mention that second part. I also have to admit that the fact that his 'early claim' strategy bugs me, and that he cast an early vote on me for a crappy reason, do color my opinion of him. But I would like something more concrete to base a vote on. This is the one that set off alarm bells in my head. Suburban has just finished saying that he doesn't find Pleonast scummy, and now he's trying to set himself up with a nice, plausibly deniable reason for keeping the Pleonast train running. I acknowledge that fact that he ended up not following this up with a vote, but I really really really don't like the fact that Suburban was even leaning towards continuing our first bandwagon with a vote with no reasoning behind it.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Dec 2, 2010 19:22:36 GMT -5
What, you don't want someone to slip and help out our town power roles? No, I actually do not want to out our town power roles. Why do you? I think it would be better if we had as little in-game discussion as possible, so that our town power roles do not slip and out themselves. I'm going back to this statement from Night 0, quite early in the Misunderstanding Of Mahaloth, because (as I pointed out at the time) it puts a hypocritical spin on Pleo's early Vanilla claim combined with his assertion that he does not want to out the Town power roles. One of the consequences of a (truthful) early and unprompted vanilla town claim is decreasing the cover for the Town powers. There's no getting around that. A townie lying about being vanilla in an unprompted early claim, on the other hand, stretches the limits of "lying well" in the interests of the Town, which is one of those pesky policies where I tend to not be as conservative as other players. I think 'lynch all liars' can be stifling and limiting. I think careful, well-thought-out lies told by Town players can be a boon for Town. I just have a hard time seeing such a lie in Pleo's case as being careful, well-thought-out, or boonful. Therefor he's getting my vote. Vote: Pleo
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