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Day One
Dec 4, 2010 17:58:10 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Dec 4, 2010 17:58:10 GMT -5
First, Coyote snipped my quote to make it look like I was just encouraging bandwagon voting. No, I didn't. I snipped your quote to comment on the part which was relevant to my interests: to wit, the part where you suggested that the vote on Rysto was pointless because Pleo was the vote leader. You may interpret my words as you wish, and clearly you will, but at no point did I suggest not voting the person you thought was scummiest, nor would I. And in doing so, appears to be defending Pleo and encouraging a Rysto vote instead. Actually, I was and still am opposed to voting either, which is why I have not done so. Then, it appears that later she realized how that looked and backtracked by saying that maybe we should just spread votes around and not vote on the bandwagon even if that's a vote for the person you think is most scummy. Again, no. I reiterated my thinking. And if I thought you were scummy, I would be slapping you with my vote. Please note that in the post that you quoted I say that a LIMITED number of outliers are not going to hurt Town, and I stand by that. And I also never said you shouldn't follow the bandwagon if you think the person up for it is the most Scummy. I said: If you have two candidates for Scum, and can make a case and vote on the one WITHOUT the vote lead, it is a good idea to do so. If you think two people are scummy and one of them already has votes, I think the right play is to vote there and worry about the other person the following day. And I disagree. Strongly. Perhaps almost vehemently. Because what if you're right, you DON'T make your case, and you don't make it through the Night? It doesn't take magic to figure out that -- unless one is Scum in which case none of this applies to one -- anyone can die any Night. If I have information that I think is beneficial to Town (in this case, in the shape of a case to be made against someone Scummy who is NOT the vote leader), I'm going to do my best to get that information out there. In short: You have taken a general argument, that it is NOT always best to follow a bandwagon, and assumed that I was speaking of a specific statement. Maybe I shouldn't have quoted you at all; maybe that would have made my more general intent clearer. Also, since you don't really know me, my utter lack of vote thus far this Day is unusual for me. Under normal circumstances, I would have voted, and probably unvoted, a number of times long before now, with cases as solid as I could make them. Unfortunately, meatspace is kicking my ass right now. For weak reasoning on a late vote. It almost seems like an attempt to find a place to vote, something I would think Scum might be forced to do since they might struggle fabricating a case. This is another common "tell" that I think is nonsense, by the way. When I have been Scum, it has been easier to make cases, rather than harder. That said, I'm going to go with both my gut and MHaye's argument and Vote: Mahaloth
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Day One
Dec 4, 2010 18:04:38 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Dec 4, 2010 18:04:38 GMT -5
@charr.
Mahaloth's reaction to your vote is a foretaste of the examination you can expect Tomorrow. A vote with no justification provided is like a red flag to a bull around here. I urge you, in the remaining 55 minutes or so, to review your reasons for voting Rysto and post them if possible.
By the way, folks. I'll remind you again that the Mafia can talk during the Day. If we assume for the purposes of argument that Charr is a Mafiate, he's had the benefit of something like fourteen days counselling from more experienced teammates. Give him the benefit of the doubt for Today.
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Day One
Dec 4, 2010 18:13:04 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Dec 4, 2010 18:13:04 GMT -5
Vote Count pleonast (5): crazypunker [103-207], mahaloth [104-236], metallicsquink [165], darksidecookies [169], brewha [213], peekercpa [216], rysto [238]
rysto (4): hockey monkey [164], catinasuit [176], inner stickler [221], charr [230]
mahaloth (3): guiri [113], mhaye [225], sistercoyote [240]
mr ed (2): renata [200], texcat [224]
paranoia (1): peekercpa [143-216], mr ed [199-227], naf1138 [202]
suburban plankton (1): pleonast [17], rysto [142-238]
naf1138 (1): suburban plankton [133]
texcat (1): mr ed [227]
charr (1): mahaloth [236]
sister coyote (0): brewha [212-213]
catinasuit (0): guiri [94-113]
storyteller (0): peekercpa [93-143]
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Day One
Dec 4, 2010 18:28:35 GMT -5
Post by brewha on Dec 4, 2010 18:28:35 GMT -5
First, Coyote snipped my quote to make it look like I was just encouraging bandwagon voting. No, I didn't. I snipped your quote to comment on the part which was relevant to my interests: to wit, the part where you suggested that the vote on Rysto was pointless because Pleo was the vote leader. You may interpret my words as you wish, and clearly you will, but at no point did I suggest not voting the person you thought was scummiest, nor would II would shoot a baby. If a woman had been bitten by a zombie and infected her unborn child, given birth to a zombie child and died, I would shoot a baby. Do you see how different these two statements are? If you find two people scummy. In other words, if you find one person scummy because they are defending another person whom you believe is scum. Then, the only way the first person is scum is if the second one is as well. If it's a both or none situation, I don't know why you wouldn't vote the one that's most likely to hang. Look at the vote count right now, Pleo is only a vote or two away from walking- if he is scum, don't you think his scum buddies could arrange that? Certainly if you find someone else scummy, post your case. I still think the way you snipped my quote is quite misleading.
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Day One
Dec 4, 2010 18:29:00 GMT -5
Post by special on Dec 4, 2010 18:29:00 GMT -5
My 0.02 for the page: I find it more plausible that Charr is a newbie who doesn't realize what she just stepped in, than than the idea that Ed truly thinks that "help out" is an "odd turn of phrase". it is also more plausible that Charr is a newbie who doesn't realize what they stepped in, than the idea that Cookies just posted a mild smudge based solely on a turn of phrase. debacle
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Day One
Dec 4, 2010 19:01:59 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Dec 4, 2010 19:01:59 GMT -5
My 0.02 for the page: I find it more plausible that Charr is a newbie who doesn't realize what she just stepped in, than than the idea that Ed truly thinks that "help out" is an "odd turn of phrase". it is also more plausible that Charr is a newbie who doesn't realize what they stepped in, than the idea that Cookies just posted a mild smudge based solely on a turn of phrase. debacle Kerfuffle!all joking aside I'm having a lot of trouble following this, although sadly I'll have a lot more time for mafia as I'm going to have much more trouble seeing my gf for the next two months or so. That said I want to get some sort of vote in before days end and I really haven't been following well enough to be comfortable enough to do anything other than Vote Charr, because the hell man, you don't vote for no reason.
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Day One
Dec 4, 2010 19:06:45 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Dec 4, 2010 19:06:45 GMT -5
Day is over.
Day One Final Vote Count pleonast (5): crazypunker [103-207], mahaloth [104-236], metallicsquink [165], darksidecookies [169], brewha [213], peekercpa [216], rysto [238]
rysto (4): hockey monkey [164], catinasuit [176], inner stickler [221], charr [230]
mahaloth (3): guiri [113], mhaye [225], sistercoyote [240]
mr ed (2): renata [200], texcat [224]
paranoia (1): peekercpa [143-216], mr ed [199-227], naf1138 [202]
suburban plankton (1): pleonast [17], rysto [142-238]
naf1138 (1): suburban plankton [133]
texcat (1): mr ed [227]
charr (1): mahaloth [236]
sister coyote (0): brewha [212-213]
catinasuit (0): guiri [94-113]
storyteller (0): peekercpa [93-143]
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