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Day 3
Dec 13, 2010 22:00:33 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Dec 13, 2010 22:00:33 GMT -5
You awake in your room, basking momentarily in the sunshine before descending to the hall once again. After Mahaloth's death last Night, you feel as though you and your friends must finally be safe. Everyone else seems so trustworthy, and you are glad to no longer have to worry for their safety, or for your own.
As you enter the hall, you see that everyone else must feel the same way. The brightness of the sunshine pouring in the windows matches the bright mood in the room, and everyone is laughing and smiling as they eat breakfast. You wish that sachertorte, MHaye, and pleonast were still around to see such a lively morning in a place that had seemed so cursed until only yesterDay.
As you rise from the table, your fellow travellers begin to do the same. These castle walls no longer seem so restrictive, and you're all now eager to explore a bit. You notice that only one person has yet to rise. "Hey, Rysto!" you call out. "You coming?" Rysto doesn't respond, so you approach him. His face has an unnatural bluish cast, and he doesn't seem to be breathing. You realize that he must not even have eaten, as his plate contains no food, but instead has a card lying on it: XX. Judgment. You drop to your knees, and spontaneously say a prayer for your fallen comrade. "You must ascend to Heaven, Rysto, up to the pale fields of the moon, where an endless storeroom preserves the stories that men do not live, the thoughts that knock once at the threshold of awareness and vanish forever, the particles of the possible discarded in the game of combinations, the solutions that could be reached yet never are..." Heart heavy, you begin yet again the search for an unknown killer.
Rysto, third party survivor, has been killed.[/color]
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Day 3
Dec 13, 2010 22:05:00 GMT -5
Post by Rysto on Dec 13, 2010 22:05:00 GMT -5
Son of a ...
Damn you, story, and your "Rysto seems pro-Town to me." I worked damn hard to pile up those votes Day One...
Me, as a survivor. What a joke.
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Day 3
Dec 13, 2010 22:33:39 GMT -5
Post by brewha on Dec 13, 2010 22:33:39 GMT -5
So, can we safely assume that there's one less PFK today than there was yesterday? Well, high five to whoever managed to do some killins last night. And, kudos to us for the scum nabbin yesterday! And by "us" I mean town. Clearly, by "us" I didn't mean people caught up in an apparently meaningless squabble among themselves which rendered them oblivious to the relevant goings on.
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Day 3
Dec 13, 2010 22:44:13 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 13, 2010 22:44:13 GMT -5
thank you scum. wink wink nod nod brewha.
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Day 3
Dec 13, 2010 22:55:27 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Dec 13, 2010 22:55:27 GMT -5
Only one kill again last night, but I see brewha doesn't even want to think about speculating about who did it. ;D
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Day 3
Dec 14, 2010 3:42:26 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Dec 14, 2010 3:42:26 GMT -5
So, can we safely assume that there's one less PFK today than there was yesterday? A 3rd party can win with Town or Scum; a PFK wins at the expense of Town or Scum. Rysto was 3rd party, not PFK. Rysto was no threat to Town or Scum, thus he would have been a poor choice for an informed scum kill. So unlikely that the Scum knew what his role was before he was killed [I'm making the assumption that Scum are killing at night unless evidence to the contrary arises]. With Mahaloth's "mistake" and his votes for both Hockey Monkey and Story, it is unlikely that either of them are scum. Likewise, the late vote on Mahaloth by MrBlockey would also suggest that he is not scum. CrazyPunker's late vote on Hockey is a little perplexing, especially the apparent confusion between Squink and Story I don't want to test a town power role claim right now. A genuine error, or does Crazy know more about Story than the rest of us?
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Day 3
Dec 14, 2010 4:55:38 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Dec 14, 2010 4:55:38 GMT -5
No dead townie - I don't care who did the killing, the result was great ;D
Okay, so I'll focus on Mahaloth a bit toDay. I know it'll be a lot of speculation but maybe something will stick out.
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Day 3
Dec 14, 2010 5:04:40 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Dec 14, 2010 5:04:40 GMT -5
Well done! Ed, I do have an answer to your question, but I suppose it needs to wait until Dawn. Sorry I wasn't around earlier... Anyone else thinks this post deserves a raised eyebrow?
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Day 3
Dec 14, 2010 5:08:08 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Dec 14, 2010 5:08:08 GMT -5
WOW on Mahaloth: Night Zero 10 posts #14 received PM #31 Don't want to do a mass claim or post role PM's. Usually, in my opinion, it reveals a to to the scum who frequently have cover roles. #35 Joke-answer to Peeker # 36 Explains a quote that went missing from the previous post #40 Is asking texcat about her vote and wondering if voting is allowed Night Zero #53 Jokes about voting for brewha based on the annoying avatar #66 I think we should talk. Perhaps someone will slip and help out the town power roles.
Did bufftabby say anything about this game being "odd" or are we we expecting a pretty typical mafia game?#69 Responds to Pleonast asking why he don't want to help out our town power roles #129 Realizing why some misread the post about "help out" and says I meant "help out" as in "aid and assist", not "reveal"#179 second metallicsquink's question to texcat if she means "scum won't make a mistake and kill their own"
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Dec 14, 2010 5:33:34 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Dec 14, 2010 5:33:34 GMT -5
WOW on Mahaloth Day One 18 posts #7 Speculates on the Night Zero-powers + Does it suggest that the game leans Town slightly, so giving scum a kill(assuming that is what happened) is an attempt to even things out? + asks Pleonast why he claimed so quickly #15 explains that "to to" were "a lot to" #30 3 reasons for not having a mass claim: 1. In every game I design, the scum are provided with fake claims to ensure that the game would not be broken. 2. It's very hard to get our act together quickly enough for the scum to have limited time to prepare their fake claim. 3. It will reveal town power roles to the scum.#31 responds to Rysto if a mass claim will break a game/be town shooting themselves in the foot. #32 asks Ploenast why he claimed if we hadn't agreed to claim #41 asks Pleonast why he claimed #104 Votes Pleonast for not answering why he claimed when he did. #105 comments on crazypunker's vote on Pleonast just before he voted himself. #115 Comments on guiri's vote for him with a I vote early and I attract a vote. Will keep his own vote on Pleonast until he answer the questions about his claim. Don't believe Pleonast's claim but will If someone does something I think is more suspicious, I'll happily switch my vote.#125 knows Pleonast has claimed early in other games while being Town but is calling his bluff this time#126 emphasize that his vote on Pleonast is a Day One vote and that he is not settled. #128 don't think Pleonast's "duck and run" is a null tell #130 think he has explained his thoughts on Pleonast + would like to see who is "here but not here" and prod them a bit #144 Don't think a name claim will hurt Town nor Scum + Can scum talk during Day in this game? Did the rules tell us?#228 Say the "crosspost" with crazypunker was because he walked away during writing. #234 reply to guiri1. he is not skimming + 2. Pleonast posting while not providing an explanation seems scummy + I'm tempted to unvote him because he did show up finally to explain himself, but I still think there is a real chance he is bluffing and, being Day One, I don't have another case that appears stronger.
Heck, I may still unvote him if some thing comes along. + 3. asks if we have a lot of unvoters #236 Unvotes Pleonast and votes Charr for he goes and votes for literally no reason at all + ask in green for an updated vote total #237 asks Charr why did you wait until near the end of the Day to do that?
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Day 3
Dec 14, 2010 5:52:24 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Dec 14, 2010 5:52:24 GMT -5
WOW on Mahaloth Day 2 9 posts #22 join the discussion of "why MHaye" with a comment that his contributions are usually really good#59 speculates on Story's reference to shoes and wondering if he has some kind of info #76 Well, charr? Wanna come in and explain that weird vote?#112 Responds to guiri's vote and says he unvoted Pleonast when he explained his claim, that he crossposted and The rest is just a bunch of superficial "feeling" stuff + Sounds like I pissed you off and you just want me out of the game.#150 disagrees with guiri that his vote on Pleonast was opportunistic #178 It's either Charr or Storyteller for me + he is inclined to believe Story and he also believe the masons + votes Charr#231 fluff regarding Halloween mafia # 269 Gee, thanks for the last minute vote Hockey + I guess I have to defensively put my tie-breaker vote on story out of pure survival. + unvotes Charr votes Story#270 Wait. I didn't realize Hockey was in the tie as well. I'll move over there for that pathetic last minute vote and the need for Town(me) to survive. + unvotes Story and votes Hockey
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Day 3
Dec 14, 2010 5:57:31 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Dec 14, 2010 5:57:31 GMT -5
With Mahaloth's "mistake" and his votes for both Hockey Monkey and Story, it is unlikely that either of them are scum. Likewise, the late vote on Mahaloth by MrBlockey would also suggest that he is not scum. When I did the WOW on him I was thinking that guiri looks kind of townies based on his interactions with Mahaloth as well as Charr who Mahaloth voted rather late both Day 1 (in post #236) and Day 2 (#178).
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Day 3
Dec 14, 2010 6:31:25 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Dec 14, 2010 6:31:25 GMT -5
Well done! Ed, I do have an answer to your question, but I suppose it needs to wait until Dawn. Sorry I wasn't around earlier... Anyone else thinks this post deserves a raised eyebrow? I'm not sure if this is the post that deserves the raised eyebrow. Suburban posted just over 1 hour before the end of the Day, commented on the cases against Hockey and Story, made no mention of the other lynch contenders and confirmed his vote on paranoia accusing him of continuing to fly under the radar despite his participation during the Day. Special Ed questioned this: I'm OK with letting my vote stand on paranoia Today; he still seems to be trying to fly under the radar. really? no, I mean, REALLY? what exactly is your definition of flying under the radar?
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Dec 14, 2010 6:51:01 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Dec 14, 2010 6:51:01 GMT -5
I'm not sure if this is the post that deserves the raised eyebrow. I didn't mean to imply that his others didn't as well. But it seems strange to me to be that certain both he and Ed will be safe that Night. Made me think he might know more than the rest of us...
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Day 3
Dec 14, 2010 9:00:51 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Dec 14, 2010 9:00:51 GMT -5
I'm not sure if this is the post that deserves the raised eyebrow. I didn't mean to imply that his others didn't as well. But it seems strange to me to be that certain both he and Ed will be safe that Night. Made me think he might know more than the rest of us... an interesting observation
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Day 3
Dec 14, 2010 9:32:13 GMT -5
Post by Paranoia on Dec 14, 2010 9:32:13 GMT -5
So, can we safely assume that there's one less PFK today than there was yesterday? A 3rd party can win with Town or Scum; a PFK wins at the expense of Town or Scum. Rysto was 3rd party, not PFK. Rysto was no threat to Town or Scum, thus he would have been a poor choice for an informed scum kill. So unlikely that the Scum knew what his role was before he was killed [I'm making the assumption that Scum are killing at night unless evidence to the contrary arises]. With Mahaloth's "mistake" and his votes for both Hockey Monkey and Story, it is unlikely that either of them are scum. Likewise, the late vote on Mahaloth by MrBlockey would also suggest that he is not scum. CrazyPunker's late vote on Hockey is a little perplexing, especially the apparent confusion between Squink and Story At this point, I'm going to also take Mr. Ed as unlikely scum, as his (and Pleo's) early attacks on Maha brought on a lot of unwanted attention to him, and may have been what brought about his eventual downfall; it certainly forced Maha into the limelight for a good portion of the early game; that and Maha's insistence that Pleo explain his vanilla claim - after an opprotunistic vote n' switch on Pleo to Charr. I don't want to test a town power role claim right now. A genuine error, or does Crazy know more about Story than the rest of us?[/quote] Well - The Squink and the Story deals are two completely separate events, aren't they? The only thing where they're similar in was a bit of poorly worded claim on both parts. Also on a note - Even if Rysto didn't flip town there's still the question of why the scum choose to shoot her - they obviously prob. would have left her/him alive if they knew they were a third party survivor. Might as well take a look into that.
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Day 3
Dec 14, 2010 10:33:20 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Dec 14, 2010 10:33:20 GMT -5
Paranoia:
You're off base here. Ed's first comment on the subject was the sort that looks suspicious regardless of its target's alignment. Ed bent over backward to allow that Pleonast's reading could be correct, even while acknowledging the more obvious explanation. Nor did he ever follow up on it later: he voted four separate people in the two days and none of them was Mahaloth. In summary:
-- he poked Mahaloth right behind a townie doing the same -- at a time when no one could vote -- on a topic that he must have known would go nowhere -- and which actually did go nowhere (Mahaloth was lynched for other reasons) -- he never followed through
And you consider that reason to think him unlikely scum?
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Day 3
Dec 14, 2010 10:46:10 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Dec 14, 2010 10:46:10 GMT -5
Well done! Ed, I do have an answer to your question, but I suppose it needs to wait until Dawn. Sorry I wasn't around earlier... Anyone else thinks this post deserves a raised eyebrow? I'm not sure if this is the post that deserves the raised eyebrow. I didn't mean to imply that his others didn't as well. But it seems strange to me to be that certain both he and Ed will be safe that Night. Made me think he might know more than the rest of us... I wasn't at all certain that anyone would be safe last Night. I said that I needed to wait until morning because in my mind the answer to Ed's question qualified as 'discussing strategy', and was therefore not permitted at Night. Since I missed the end of the Day, I couldn't respond until Morning. As for the answer to the question in question: When I made my post, paranoia had made 11 posts in this game, 7 of which came in the last 36 hours of the Day. His vote on NAF seemed like nothing more than an OMGUS vote. Late in the Day he threw suspicion on several different players, but since he didn't follow up any of those suspicions with a vote, I didn't put much weight behind them. So all in all, I felt like his behavior was designed to make it seem like he was contributing, while avioding saying anything that he was actually going to need to come back to defend later. Thus my statement that he seemed to be "trying to fly under the radar". Perhaps that was not the best phrase to use, but I hope you understand what I was getting at. Of course, with the benefit now of hindsight, things look slightly different. Among his 'late day' posts paranoia did express suspicion of Mahaloth in two different posts...and they came at a time when he only had a couple of votes on him and didn't seem (to me, at least) to be in any danger of being lynched. That's certainly not conclusive evidence, but it does now make me lean slightly Town on paranoia. I've got to agree that Blockey, and Bill bot seem quite likely Town at this point, for their late votes that put Mahaloth away. I still need to take another look at the discussion surrounding brewha's statement from early Yesterday. I already said that I suspect the major players in that were all Town, but I'm pretty sure that there were Scum in there trying to help stir the pot.
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Day 3
Dec 14, 2010 11:23:13 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Dec 14, 2010 11:23:13 GMT -5
Of course, late votes putting Mahaloth away could also be Scum bussing a buddy in order to get Town cred.
I'm not saying that's what happened here (I need to go back through yesterDay and I'm not sure when I'm going to have a chance to do that, meatspace is really kicking my ass), but I'm not willing to give either of them a pass based solely on the criteria of a late vote on Scum.
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Day 3
Dec 14, 2010 11:41:56 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Dec 14, 2010 11:41:56 GMT -5
My PM in it’s entirety – typos and all:
Night Zero, I chose Rysto’s name to submit to the Oracle.
A little bit after I sent that in, I had a question about my PM:
She answered thusly:
I got my results from Night Zero back:
I was stupefied. I sent her back this:
She didn't answer that one, so Night One, I went ahead and submitted another name, just in case:
And she said:
So there is my role claim. I see no reason to not go ahead and put it out there. I am a competitive survivor. I assumed from my role that since I was looking for someone, that someone was looking for me. It’s possible that there is a third survivor and we were assigned our quarry round robin style. I don’t think that’s probable though or I wouldn’t be claiming now.
I can’t believe I found my “foe” on the first try. So naturally, I tried to get him strung up. Now that he is dead, all I have to do is survive till the end. I claim victory with either side. From past experience this is also unlikely without a full disclosure claim. So town, please don’t waste your lynch on me and scum, please don’t waste your night kill on me. My death will not advance either side’s game. Since there’s no fun in trying to find town (lol), I’ll keep scum hunting. Since I suck at it, I don’t think there’s much to fear from me.
I’m glad that someone other than me pointed out that the events of late yesterDay strongly indicated that I was likely not scum. I was going to make a whole post on how all that went down and how since Mahaloth flipped scum, and if I were on the scum team he likely would not have mixed my name up with Sister Coyote, but since it’s sorta been covered, I won’t.
That’s about as transparent as it gets, but if anyone has any questions, please ask and I will try to explain better.
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Day 3
Dec 14, 2010 11:59:19 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Dec 14, 2010 11:59:19 GMT -5
Of course, late votes putting Mahaloth away could also be Scum bussing a buddy in order to get Town cred. I'm not saying that's what happened here (I need to go back through yesterDay and I'm not sure when I'm going to have a chance to do that, meatspace is really kicking my ass), but I'm not willing to give either of them a pass based solely on the criteria of a late vote on Scum. Anything is possible, but I think it's unlikely that Blockey and Bill were bussing a Scum-buddy. Their posts were the last two posts of the Day. Prior to them, Hockey Monkey was leading the voting with 5 votes, with Mahaloth and storyteller next at 3 votes apiece. I find it unlikely that the Scum would choose to sacrifice a Roleblocker in this case just to gain Town cred, when Hockey Monkey was an all-but-certain lynch at that point. Unless HM is also scum, and was deemed more important that Mahaloth. Of course, in that case why wouldn't they have both voted for storyteller? Unless he is also also Scum...in which case Town just about has this game won after we lynch Blockey, Bill, HM, and story. On preview, I see that Hockey Monkey has claimed 3rd Party Survivor. I don't think that changes anything in what I had to say here, so I'll post it as is...
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Day 3
Dec 14, 2010 13:16:09 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Dec 14, 2010 13:16:09 GMT -5
There is a lot of information that has come out since the last time I checked the thread, and I feel like there are connections to be made...but I have a wicked head cold and everything is just out of my reach.
I think looking at Maha's lynch will be very instructive. We can probably confirm, or semi confirm, a couple of people based on that (sort of what SP said in the post above).
I am going to start trying to draw up a list...or something. See if I can't start seeing some connections.
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Dec 14, 2010 13:19:54 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Dec 14, 2010 13:19:54 GMT -5
I'd also like to note for the record, that had I not been posting from my phone (which I haven't tried coding on yet) with my family rushing me out the door for dinner at the end of yesterDay, I would have unvoted Rysto and voted Mahaloth. I was fairly perturbed by the whole situation.
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Dec 14, 2010 13:23:05 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Dec 14, 2010 13:23:05 GMT -5
Of course, late votes putting Mahaloth away could also be Scum bussing a buddy in order to get Town cred. I'm not saying that's what happened here (I need to go back through yesterDay and I'm not sure when I'm going to have a chance to do that, meatspace is really kicking my ass), but I'm not willing to give either of them a pass based solely on the criteria of a late vote on Scum. Anything is possible, but I think it's unlikely that Blockey and Bill were bussing a Scum-buddy. Their posts were the last two posts of the Day. Prior to them, Hockey Monkey was leading the voting with 5 votes, with Mahaloth and storyteller next at 3 votes apiece. I find it unlikely that the Scum would choose to sacrifice a Roleblocker in this case just to gain Town cred, when Hockey Monkey was an all-but-certain lynch at that point. Unless HM is also scum, and was deemed more important that Mahaloth. Of course, in that case why wouldn't they have both voted for storyteller? Unless he is also also Scum...in which case Town just about has this game won after we lynch Blockey, Bill, HM, and story. On preview, I see that Hockey Monkey has claimed 3rd Party Survivor. I don't think that changes anything in what I had to say here, so I'll post it as is... Except as I noted above, lynching me won't get you anywhere.
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Day 3
Dec 14, 2010 13:37:00 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Dec 14, 2010 13:37:00 GMT -5
Anything is possible, but I think it's unlikely that Blockey and Bill were bussing a Scum-buddy. Their posts were the last two posts of the Day. Prior to them, Hockey Monkey was leading the voting with 5 votes, with Mahaloth and storyteller next at 3 votes apiece. I find it unlikely that the Scum would choose to sacrifice a Roleblocker in this case just to gain Town cred, when Hockey Monkey was an all-but-certain lynch at that point. Unless HM is also scum, and was deemed more important that Mahaloth. Of course, in that case why wouldn't they have both voted for storyteller? Unless he is also also Scum...in which case Town just about has this game won after we lynch Blockey, Bill, HM, and story. On preview, I see that Hockey Monkey has claimed 3rd Party Survivor. I don't think that changes anything in what I had to say here, so I'll post it as is... Except as I noted above, lynching me won't get you anywhere. I do hope you know I wasn't actually suggesting that we lynch the four of you in that post...
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Dec 14, 2010 14:47:09 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Dec 14, 2010 14:47:09 GMT -5
That's why I stuck my tongue out at you!
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Dec 14, 2010 18:36:53 GMT -5
Post by brewha on Dec 14, 2010 18:36:53 GMT -5
My PM in it’s entirety – typos and all: Snipping and bolding by me. I really don't like the wording here. Now, I know that examining a PM like this can just point out a mistake by the Mod. But it may also prove a fabricated PM. The sample PM says: [role] by nature, [alignment] by destiny My PM says: [role] by nature, [alignment] by destiny Masons? Care to state how yours read? I've gotta go back and see if I can find the claim, but I suspect it will not use "by nature" twice. I also don't like that Rysto was described as a "third party survivor" and you are described as a "competitive survivor". It seems that if you two were each others' opposites, your descriptions would be more similar - or at least acknowledge that there's anther out there. And just so we're clear. If you are telling the truth, letting you live won't hurt the town. But, neither will lynching you, right?
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Day 3
Dec 14, 2010 18:40:14 GMT -5
Post by brewha on Dec 14, 2010 18:40:14 GMT -5
NETA, It should say:
[role] by nature, [power] by destiny
More specifically - from the sample PM
The Monkey by nature, and vanilla by destiny
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Day 3
Dec 14, 2010 18:46:22 GMT -5
Post by brewha on Dec 14, 2010 18:46:22 GMT -5
Also, NETA. A quick search shows that our masons never posted their PMs. And, I don't want to ask them to. I'm just wondering if a power role as the phrase "by nature" used twice.
Something like
Stonecutter by nature, Pro town Mason by nature.
If there is any reason you don't wish to reply, no biggie.
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Dec 14, 2010 19:06:21 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Dec 14, 2010 19:06:21 GMT -5
I posted exactly what was sent to me. I figured either buffy got in a hurry writing it, or since I'm neither Dark nor Light that I have no destiny. I am willing to bet that Rysto's description in his PM was competitive survivor like mine, but that his death reveal didn't include it since that could give more information than buff wanted to put out there.
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